oooo i just suddenly got confussed about HTT, that's your FSB times the HT multiplier right? as in 1x-5x?Quote:
Originally Posted by harpyboy
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oooo i just suddenly got confussed about HTT, that's your FSB times the HT multiplier right? as in 1x-5x?Quote:
Originally Posted by harpyboy
I have HTT3x(max. 360Mhz)=1080Mhz ?
Normally i've HTT3x(200Mhz)=600Mhz
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boble76
Hi Boble is there a reason why your using the 8x multi? more stable ? Did you test out the other multis and dividers with the 3700+ any problems with any you tried?
Regards
The only reason was that I wanted to know how many Mhz thia "HTT" will go.
360-365Mhz seems to be max.
I've test some Multis-7x-8x-9x-10x-11x and dividers (133-150*-166-200 offcourse) and all of them works just fine.
11x250Mhz 1:1 2-2-2-5-7-0
10x305Mhz (166 divider)
9x334Mhz (150*divider) ;)
8x360Mhz (133 divider)
I am really surprised with this motherboard.It's stable and likes BH5. :wiggle:
Memtest86 doesn't support my new board (k8n diamond) and isn't giving me the correct errors that i should be getting, cos right now i'm running my hynix DDR400 (2 years old) at 240MHZ 1T!! and memtest sez i don't get any errors, but my games still crash like they would if i had mem errors
what other programs are there that are as good as memtest?
i used memtest cos you could boot up into dos with it...
Try MemTest for windows... I've got 1 stick of Twinmos 512mb with Winbond UTT on it... doesn't error in dos but errors like mad when I test it in windows...Quote:
Originally Posted by BobTheDinosaur
And the stick is definitely faulty, that's for sure ;)
Edit: I read this quote and I have the same problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garrett
I have a little problem:
I have redline UTT to 260 error free memtest. Always 2-2-2-5
And I have a 3200+ Spaw who do 2900mhz.
Have MSI NEO2 with 1.8mod bios
260*10 any problem with 200/200 divider
260*10 with 166/200 divider, no problem too
BUT
More than 260 (memory limit, with 3.5v) no boot with divider 166/200
275*10 (for example) dont boot with divider 166/200
What´s the problem? With others memories I can boot 2900 with 166/200, but they are not UTT, and they are 2.5-3-3
I need some help, please
some boards wont boot above 3.4-3.5v if you using a ddr booster (quite likely) then boot at 3.4v then after you get the post beep turn the voltage up. works fine up to 4v.
Murdok from msi-forum.de said the following:
The problem is the TRFC Timing Value drops from 14 to lower in 166 Memory divider. You can check it with A64 tweaker.
So if any bios guru could do something about it...
Wait for the new Neo2 bios to come out, it's very likely they are going to include advanced memory timing options in the bios, such as TRFC. :)
nope.. can't do anything until MSI releases new BIOS with these options.. which they will according to CD1986....Quote:
Originally Posted by Garrett
try to boot with 200/200 divider or 100/200 divider.. which most likely will boot .. then in windows adjust ur HTT using clockgen .. and timing using A64T.... i chose to boot with 100/200 divider... this way i can set my HTT to max... and no need worri about setting them in clockgen....
multiplier is set to 3, I think. I have only IDE drives.Quote:
Originally Posted by harpyboy
I think, its my Ram. I will test it more. Ram is set to 166 in Bios, maybe I should try 133 ;)
Anyone know if thier is a beta version of this bios out, i've seen some screen shots of it, Im dieing to test it.
me too...Quote:
Originally Posted by 4rory
I have tried with A64 tweaker .31 and it´s all OK. I´m runing stable 286x10 183/200 divisor ---> 260 FSB 2-2-2 with my redline XP4000 @ 3.45v on booster (I´ll do viomod 3.3) apply with tweaker startup.
I set in bios divisor 100/200 :D
Thanks guys :toast:
And I wait new bios too :banana:
so where do i get a membooster? do you have to make one ureself?
you like solder it unto the mobo right?
dude.. this is wat u r looking for..Quote:
Originally Posted by BobTheDinosaur
link
Im having problems with higher fsb on my k8n2 and venice 3000+
My winchester 3000+ did 280 1:1, but my venice cant get over 265.
When i use the 166 devider i cant get past 230 on the memory.
When I am the 100 (1:2 ) devider i can get my htt to 340, so the cpu and the chipset doesnt seem to be the problem. Does my venice have a bad memory controller or it the problem bios related?
I have tried the 1,37mod, 1,8mod and the newest official 1,8 bios.
Thanks for any suggestions
My specs:
Msi K8N P2
Venice 3000+
2x Corsair xms 4000 512mb
XFX Geforce 6800le (16x1,6vp)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Espen
I have the same issues with my 3700 + and crucial ballistix. But other people have had no problem at all. MSI did say that the new cores are not fully surported in the current bios so i think that means certain configurations of dividers with memory is flakey. Hopefully these issues will be solved in the new bios.
many people has issues like that.. including myself...Quote:
Originally Posted by Espen
run it at max htt as u can... with 100 divider... boot into windows then use A64 tweaker to adjust ur timing... (u can find out ur RAM timing by boot first with 200 divider and running A64 tweaker)... then jus set ur ram timing according with the divider u wan..
this is something new... since i thought always that it was K8N neo2 plat giving the problem that when divider are used... trf and trcf lowered themselves that some RAM won't be able to support..... does K8N apply this timing accordiing to A64 mem controller ? since espen mentioned it works on his winnie.....
Yes but even setting trf and trcf back to 1:1 values doesnt stabalise some systems there is an issue with the new cores and some memory modules with the current bios. Im hoping its to do with the 1T 2T command not showing as ive heard setting it in bios is more stable than setting it in windows and i have been unable to set it in bios because of the missing function.
I have a question, is it not possible to get over 1.450 vcore without using the percentage boost?
I've been testing all night and have finally gotten to 2.8
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=22991
although my temp isn't very great (low 40's idle/high 40's load) with my vcore being around 1.536-1.552
any suggestions to get to 2.8 with a lower vcore would be appreciated
Recently I've flashed with the latest 1.8 BIOS.
I would like to know if I should enable/disable these following options:
- DRAM DRIVE STRENGTH
- SYSTEM BIOS CACHEABLE
- AGP SIDEBAND ADRESS
Thanks in advance,
hombre.
Drive strength - set to "normal" unless you are overclocking and have TCCD memory, in which case set it to "weak"Quote:
Originally Posted by Hombre
System bios cacheable - set to "disabled"
AGP Sideband address - usually ok to set as "enabled"
Will a venice boot with the default bios in this mobo? Or should I plug a winchie and then upgrade my bios?
Sillysider what kind of temps were you getting? and what other settings might you have been using since I would like to keep my vcore around 1.5 b/c of the temps unless thats not possible (I hate Florida)
alsoWhat is drive strength? and how would you tell if you have TCCD memory (I forget all these types) and would mine be TCCD? Thanks!Quote:
Drive strength - set to "normal" unless you are overclocking and have TCCD memory, in which case set it to "weak"
How long would you recommend running Prime, I don't want to run for a day since I don't have the time to let it go that long, and also got a link to Toast?
I can not see in win more than 1.45v. If I put more than 1.45 (% = VID = 0%) in bios, in win I see 1.45v all the time. I only run win with a max 1.6v this is 1.45 +10%. If I put 1.5 or 1.55 + 10%, I allways see 1.6v in win.
Bye
EDIT:
All bios except 1.8 report bad temps. 61 celsius in full mode can be 51celsius with 1.8bios. Mine is 33IDLE 42FULL with 1.8bios and good watercooling @ 2820mhz and 1.6v
Alright thanks.
Thank you CD 1986.
Well, I am overclocking the RAM, but I'm not on TCCD. Shoud I set it as "Weak"?
Tia!
my temp with BIOS 1.8 is just the same as yours.... just that my venice can't do 2.8Ghz :(Quote:
Originally Posted by kasius
i think is best if u go ahead and test it out urself.... but i say leave it at 'normal' drive strengthQuote:
Originally Posted by Hombre
My temps before install 1.8bios were 44IDLE and 53-54 FULL.
I´m sure 1.8bios report temps well. I have a probe temp near my core of my SPAW without IHS. And temps of probe are same that MB in IDLE, and in FULL MB reports a little more temp, 1-2 celsius.
My WC:
Swiftech 6000
D-tek 120mm
MCP600 rev2
See you
Yeh, testing yourself is the only way to be sure, but setting it to "normal" would be the best option. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by harpyboy
And what about fast write with msi 6800le?
Disable fastwrites if you have a 6800 series card, as it causes instabilities. If i have it enabled for instance, i get lower 3Dmark benchies than if i have it disabled. I always keep fastwrites disabled, and sideband addressing enabled for my 6800nu. :)
http://www.msi-forum.de/thread.php?t...&hilight=1+9b5
Anyone tried this new bios??? :D
Added in some more memory timings, including the Trc and Trfc values that have been causing the divider issues! :toast:
is that a custom modded bios?
trying now :)
Link has both the original and modded versions attached. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by uniacid
@harpyboy - let us know if the extra timings solve the divider issue! Also, the link (even though in German) seems to suggest that there might be problems with the CPU multipliers.
the extra timing solves divider issues !!!!!! hoorayyy
but this bios still need some work... can't adjust multiplier... but somehow it was set to 9... same as before i flashed it ....
vcore seems to be 0.1 V lower than what you set in the BIOS.. (u can select the 'true' vcore now... instead of 10% of VID stuffs)
http://www.harpyboy.com/a64.JPG
this is the resulting A64T ... BIOS can't change Twtr (mine needs 2 instead of 1).. other than that.. the divider works fine... 1T works fine
put this bios online here please.
thx.
as requested
BIOS 19B5mod
BIOS 19B5
Looks promising! :)
What's the new MTTR mapping mode ?
moreover the new 216,233,250 dividers doesn't work here ... I have tested and I have :
250 = 133
233 = 200
216 = 100
Again, in this new bios, the max vcore selectable is 1,55v (on Venice and seletected 1,7v !) ... Just CoreCenter allow to up to 1,72v!
And for finish, I like the new menu organisation...
Goodbye.
Summary:
new menu
no better OC
fast write still doesn't work with 6800
no multiplier selection.. but using clockgen just set it once and it will stay
vcore max at 1.612v for me (venice.. cpu-z) even tho i selected 1.70v...
1.70v in BIOS read as 1.60v in cpu-z
1.60v in BIOS read as 1.50v in cpu-z
new divider doesn't work for me either...
SATA 1 and 2 seems to be locked.. it POST at 280HTT.. but i didn't realise that clearing CMOS set the multiplier back to 10 (thus OC failed instead of SATA crash)..lazy to test again.. someone else has to do it....
This is probably just because venice uses 1.40v default, but bios has a 1.50v starting point. I was looking at the bios in modbin6, and there are voltage options upto 1.85v, but they are "un-selected" in the bios options, and i couldn't get them to stick when i set to "selected". Hopefully in later bios versions they might enable the higher voltages. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by harpyboy
i believe another release should be due soon.. something has to be done to the multiplier... other than the multiplier the BIOS detects (which is 10 for my 3200+ weird anyway).. the CPU SPEED's reading in Cell menu is messed up... (306 x 9.0 = 176 Mhz ????)Quote:
Originally Posted by CD 1986
It's only an early-stage beta remember, its not meant to be used 24/7 yet...i'm sure they'll have most of the bugs sorted out in later releases.
For the voltage, in cpu-z i have 1,552v , SpeedFan & Everest 1,55v however in bios i set it to 1,7v ... with CoreCenter I have 1,7v ... I set to 1,85v and I get 1,680v (cpu-z)
harpyboy, have you got pc3200xl corsair ? if yes why don't use divider 166 ?
I will StressPrime this night (yes in france, it's 00h47 am ... and I work tomorrow .. erf) at this spec:
cpu: 303*9 @ 1,55v
ram: 248 - cas2.5/ras6/rcd4/rp&rrd3/rc7/fc14/rwt3 - weak mode - mtrr continous (small description ... :-P ) and it's 2*512Mb Corsair tccds pc3200xl dual channel ...
goodbye.
nope not the XL... this is literally the first 2-2-2-5 PC3200 corsair came out more than 2 years ago.... it max out at 230mhz...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic9
Anyone got the files I need them and I can't seem to get them from the site registered already, I hate sites that make you register to veiw images and such.
nvm I got them if you want them just email me ill send them, if you don't feel like registering that is.
does this new bios officially support the Venice processors? i don't like my cpu being identified as a 0.13nm processor
i hosted it on my server alredi..Quote:
Originally Posted by 4rory
refer to post #1458
any of you guys gonna get the new DFI nf3 mobo?
I have a question about getting an OCZ booster, will I have to worry about my memory's temperature or does that not really matter much? B/c I know at 2.85 V via bios it does feel quite hot
put a fan over them
I have a strange issue with the new bios. I tried both the mod and normal version and it wont let me enter the bios setup menu. Pc boots and sets the ram to 2-3-3-8-11 1T and sets the san diego 3700+ at 11x200 which is ok. When i press delete it says unable to load bios setup and just sits there.
If i let pc load it does so fine and im in windows now with the new bios.
I used winflash to flash the bios from windows ive since reflashed it within winflash but still same issue i flashed from 1.8 official bios and cleared cmos. I flashed with the multi set to 11 and the htt 200.
Any ideas why its not working?
(Could it be a cold bug)
Specs
3700+ san diego
2x 512mb pc4000 ballistix
Vapochill PE
ati AIW 9800 pro
2x seagate barracuda connected on ide
dvd burner connected on ide
Edit
In 1.8 bios it worked fine for me but when i went into hardware monitor it used to freeze when detecting the cpu temp. Does the new bios show the cpu temp on the main screen? maybe thats why.
both BIOS 1.8 and this beta 1.9 works fine for me.
i don't have any issues with temp monitor either....
u r using vapochil ? wat is the temp... this might be the issue for reporting too low cpu temp
Temperature is about -25 degrees idle and -10 load yes i think it could be that to but there is not a lot i can do about that. Hopefully the official release will cure this problem or maybe a moded version will work on this. Pehaps other people are having this issue.
Gonna try to boot when vapochill hits like 5 degrees and see if that helps but first i need to find out if its safe to start up like that.
was the memory issue only if you use a divider?
anything special i need to do to use TCC5 based ram on this board. I think it is TCC5, it could be TCCD but i doubt it.
looks a bit like mine
Can you help with my problems. Read the thread below.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...863#post914863
I am going to try a modded 1.8 bios that has relaxed that relaxes internal memory timings when using dividers.
Have been reading around the other forums and other people also have the bios setup time out issue where you cant enter bios setup. Seems that its not a cold boot issue at all and something wrong with the bios under certain hardware conditions. Ill have to wait for the official release.
Maybe some of you didn't notice that, here's remodded v1.36Mod BIOS http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtre...o2-13modR1.zip that we requested. Big thanks to tictac
trc=13 clocks, trfc=15 clocks. Those timings will always stay on 13 and 15 no matter what divider you will use :toast: :toast: So if you had divider problems try it now! If your on venice or san diego grab this v1.8 one http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtre...eo2-V18-R1.zip
EDIT: Ok, here's rev.2 of v1.8 BIOS with same tweaks as above + much more cool stuff. Refer to this post http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...254#post915254
BEST BIOS I EVER USED!
Quote:
Originally Posted by need.for.mhz
Thanks for the info mate.
Im trying 1.8 r2 now seems good so far :) tictac makes really good bios files so i hope he makes more for neo2 :banana:
This bios does seem to be more stable for me even though i used to use A64 tweaker to set the timings anyway its better with the bios it seems.
What chip is that green heatsink covering. Mine doesnt have a heatsink on it worth putting one on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Electroid
been working on 1.8r2.. great bios tictac!
Has anyone replaced the noisy fan fot a passive HS on the chipset? Which model? I hava a NV Silencer 5, so my options are limited... but I sure would like to get rid of that 5000rpm annoyance.
well theres not alot of clearance at all with the Silencers... But the chipset doesn't run too hot, so i bet one of the Zalman 'sinks will work fine. Just clip the pins that get in the way down to size :).
I'll probably replace mine with a Zalman NB47J, trimmed to fit ofcoarse. Though i have alot of clearance with my current graphics card, only about a quarter of the zalman will have to be trimmed, if at all.
I think the bearings in the stock chipset fan got shot - its increasing RPM by the week. Its almost at 6000rpm now! :S
i think for overclocking, better to use one with fan tho... i hav the silencer nv5 too.. doesn't seem to fit any passive heatsink capable of decent cooling... i really love to get a tall nice passive heatsink for it.. but we are the one who wanted a 6800
weird that you said the chipset fan is noisy... i can't really hear it.
For me, I use SpeedFan and I set the Chipset's fan to 70% and it isn't noisy ...
Moreover I wait the bios 1.95b with Multiplier fixed !!!!!
right now im running bios 1.95r2 modded by murdok, I just use clockgen to change the multi in windows, works fine.
I just bought one of these boards yesterday... I expect it to be delivered on teusday ( Hell waiting that long )
Now too sure how my current RAM sticks are going to cope in it. I have read that some have a few issues with this or that RAM, and I suppose I am just thankfull that I have a number of systems, so I am sure that I have somethign that will behave enough to get me started, even if I wont be clocking just yet.
The RAM I have in line for it right now, that I will try out first, is Crucial balistix 3200 and I hope it will be ok. I have touched 224MHZ on the DFI LP with my XP17 on with that RAM, but as I say... I wont clock this PC for a while.
Failing that, I have Corsair XMS3500, however, I have 1 x 512 and 2x256 and apparently, its not too hot with using 3 sticks,and in all honesty, I would rather have 1GB or RAM at stock, than any kind of clocking and half the RAM.
Plus I have got my XPM running nicely at 236x12 with that RAM, so its staying on that anyway.
So, can anyone tell me something if they would?
How does this Motherboard, with a Winchester 3200 compare in real terms, to a Barton 3200 in say, an Abit NF7S? ( Stock everythings )
How does it compare to an XP17 @ 216x12.5 ?
And
How does it compare to an XPM @ 236x12
I just fancy knowing what I am in for?
Thanks all.
hi FatRakoon
I have crucial ballistix 4000 but they are the same memory chips as the 3200. they work well with the neo2 in 1:1 settings im currently running mine at 260 at 2.5-3-3-10 @ 2.85volts.
I do have issues when using the dividers though and its possible it could be the ballistix so when you try yours see what happens in 166 mode compared to 200 mode and let me know.
I upgraded from a DFi lanparty nf2 and mobile xp at 2.5ghz 250x10 and the performance improvment with the neo 2 is noticible probably due to double the memory bandwidth.
The new bios fixes the divider issues which was cause by using tighter trc and trfc values when using a divider.
Thats not the only problem with the dividers trfc and trc dont make a difference with stability in my setup. 166 just doesnt work very well. Im using 1.8r2 bios at the moment which sets trfc and trc to 15 and 13 on boot and it doesnt make 166 divider stable.
compare using A64T, when you are using 200 and 166 divider.. That will give u a clue of what timing are different.
Guys,
I need some advices on my overclocking.
I'm using my system at 246x10 = 2460 MHz, 166 divider, resulting in 205 MHz at 2-2-2-5. The system is fast with this speed, Primed, OCCT passed, etc..., and the vcore is 1.52v.
So I tried 240x10 = 2400 MHz, with the memory 1:1 in 240 MHz at 2.5-3-3-6 (I did 4 loops in Memtest, ok for that speed) but I've tried a lot of different vcores and the CPU is unstable. It can't run 2 minutes on Prime, locks on games, totally unstable. I tested from 1.4-1.6v and nothing!
What might be happening? Why did the CPU can handle 246 but can't 240? My HTT is configured to 4x, and I don't know what else I can try. I'm using BIOS 1.8mod.
Does anyone have any idea?
Thanks a lot!
AleX
My best results with my venice 3k+ & neo2 & corsair 3200XL is that :
HTT 3x
cpu : 8.5 * 311 @ 1,54v (1,7v in bios 1.9b5 mod)
ram : divider 166 > ~240mhz - cas2.5/4/3/6 @ 2,8v
Test your settings with relaxed timings ... CAS 2.5 / Trcd 4 / 3 / 6 @ 2,8v
The 260mhz full sync' @ 2.5/3/3/6 run fine with me ... (but in asynchronous mode I have best results)
Moreover, I think isn't good idea test with Prime/OCCT/MemTest to prove the stability , use the PC in your games/apps about 2 days and if all are okay it's good ;-)
to ocz booster and mushkin bh5, what is the best bios??
Thanks Sonic, I'll try relax a little. About the RAM voltage, 2.7v seems to be allright (according to Memtest), but I'll also try 2.8v.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic9
Did you notice any better with BIOS 1.95?
Thanks!
AleX
I have tested 1.8 (mod & un-mod) , 1,37mod and finally the 1.95b5mod and I havn't notice better results ... I havn't all tested the settings ... For one month I have the venice&neo2 ... I will search again the good settigns !
Goodbye.
Im using 1.8r2 bios, but cpu voltage over 13% 15% 18% don't work.
tnx
Anyone know what all the memory timings in the new 1.95 bios do? Especailly the MTRR or w.e.
This is hands down the best bios I ever used.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...268#post921268
^^^^ You stole my memory tweaks from other post
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...478#post917478
Lol, they worked well. You got anymore?
^^^ Will post some later :p:
How about an A64 Tweaker screenshot of your most stable, highest clocking memory settings. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by need.for.mhz
guys I need some emergency help, last night I tried some settings that worked the week before but suddenly this week my pc has been acting funny, not allowing me to overclock much on settings I've ran before and I've been having to reset my cmos if that happens, so last night I decided I would try again to see if it would work and right around 2.4ish I get no post from my pc and attempt to reset the cmos only this time even after resetting my cmos I get no post at all, I've checked my psu's (not sure about them as they turn on automatically once they get power) and I've stripped apart my pc today and put it back together only connecting the essentials and it still does the same thing, psu turns on automatically, shut it off manually via case switch then I turn it on properly via the case switch yet no post, also from the D-Bracket it shows that it is "Decompressing BIOS image to RAM for fast booting".
So I come to you guys for help, is there anything you can think of to try or what the problem could be and why this is happening? :confused: :bsod:
THANKS A BUNCH!
it is weird that ur psu turns on automatically. it shouldn't unless ur BIOS option set it to after a power failure.. was this PSU doing the same thing as before ? ie starting up auto ?
if u hav access to another computer.. test ur PSU over there to verify.
otherwise it might really be a burn chipset.
any others opinions anyone else?
No my psu wasn't doing this before (at least when I used them in single mode, with the dual psu connector I have one will turn on if the other isn't already powered) if it is a burnt chipset how could that have happened, it was working fine and I wasn't even pushing it much, if this is the case do you think there would be any problems with MSI warranty and any idea how long they usually take?
mine turns on automatically too.
Its a problem with how the board circuitry was laid out.. something connected to the power on circuit is too low of an impedance and causes the PSU (which is built to spec) to think the power button has been pressed.. and so it turns on.
What you probably need to do is switch the PSU off and remove your cmos battery for about 5 minutes.. should give enough time for most or all of the power in the board to drain and your BIOS to clear. If you have a PS2 keyboard you can hold the insert key down (DO NOT LET UP UNTIL YOU CAN SEE A POST SCREEN) then press the power button to power on.. it tells the bios to post at default settings.
USB keyboards dont work for this when an overclock setting fails.. :rolleyes:
didn't notice u r using 2 PSU inline. im sure u tested it with just 1 PSU rite?Quote:
Originally Posted by uniacid
hhmm... did u check ur motherboard to see if there is any burn stuffs on it ?
Thanks STEvil I'll try that and yes harpy I tried 1 psu, right now my X-ultra since my other can't power my pc + gfx card alone
forgot to say that no there are no burn smells on the mb, and STEvil how long should I have to hold the ins key down? b/c so far no go