Several days ago I saw the box shots and thought the same thing LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by ***Deimos***
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Several days ago I saw the box shots and thought the same thing LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by ***Deimos***
Contradicting benchmarks and specs have been leaking since before the chip was even done. What does that tell you about the random data some people have been taking as facts.
This kind of misinformation has been happening since... Voodoo 5? Hopefully some people will learn a lesson, even though it is late. Be more skeptical.
This on the other hand you can trust:
http://i.haymarket.net.au/Galleries/...204%20copy.jpg
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Hawkeye
Mar 24, 2010 1:16 PM
We have permission for the disassembly guide, trust me :)
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/Feature/...bly-guide.aspxQuote:
TheFrunjQuote:
nesquick
Mar 24, 2010 2:49 PM
can you tell us qualitatively how good it is? ie: no numbers involved so as to protect the innocent :P
Mar 24, 2010 2:58 PM
1t 40xx0rz my 50xx0rz :P
Thanks for the update, first post has been updatedQuote:
Originally Posted by ***Deimos***
with scaling like that with added memory where's a 4gb single card lol ?Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreehill
voltage tweaking and your card dies %50 faster
Yep.... good picture gallery, and I too don't really care at this point about #'s with all the insane amounts of contradictions around from unreliable sources right now... we're 2 days away from the truth, if that.Quote:
Originally Posted by bamtan2
Yeah but us tech savvies can't just "wait" for things to come out, we are always digging for little pieces of information, any leaks would make a lot of people happy. Plus not to mention how fun this is... :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
god that is one massive chunk of silicon,
i do like that heatsink, its good to know that even the ram is cooled, or actually it may be heated up depending on how badly the VRM heat output is.
Specs in the table on this page say both cards will have 2xDVI and mini HDMI.
Really wanted to use displayport to the Dell 30'. WTF Nvidia??
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=23008
Me too, but... with 2 days left and no info that you can really even remotely claim is "solid" it isn't fun to me :).Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDiaz
Displayport isn't really on many monitors, and basically all monitors with it have HDMI/DVI anyway. What's the big deal here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger5521
That is not silicon. (There is an error in that article where they, too, call it the chip)Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
What you see is the integrated heat spreader, or IHS. Many chip packages use this. The chips themselves are small and fragile and hard to fasten coolers to.
Here is a GTX 260 with it removed: http://www.overclock.net/gallery/data/500/IMG_0725.jpg
im familiar some use an IHS to cover the actual chip, didnt know nvidia did it, but it makes sense since it does seem about 2x too big. (dont think ATI does, and AMD only started to a few years back.)Quote:
Originally Posted by bamtan2
MSRP are $399.99 for the 470, and $549.99 for the 480, apparrently... found them listed.
where?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
it better be at least 20% faster than HD5870 for that price
Not long now before i can buy my new card.
http://i39.tinypic.com/hup1z6.jpg
http://www.trizzeo.com/assets/golden...ergtx480pc.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by -Sweeper_
I pre-ordered for now, can always cancel prior to ship if it's not a good card per reviews...
EDIT: I will put up the link to the vendor with it shortly, waiting for a friend to grab his pre-order before the masses fill the line :p: .
EDIT2: OK, linkie: http://www.pcsuperstore.com/products...GTX480XPB.html
They also have the 470: http://www.pcsuperstore.com/products...GTX470XPB.html
Their prices have always been accurate in the past on prior launches such as GTX 280 and 5870...
Hopefully the prices here in Canada don't go up when these come out, we always get the end of the stick :(
http://i.haymarket.net.au/Galleries/...216%20copy.jpg
this made me laugh a bit, good old memories from my crazy delta screamer :D
bet that one screams too with 1.8a & 21.6W :eek:
NVIDIA and AMD charts are notorious to shaping benchmarks, settings, resolutions, AA/AF levels to have their products come out on top. So to say it with the same words.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDiaz
"So yeah, don't read too hard into benchmark charts in reviewer's guidelines"
hoping to accomplish what exactly? nobody can buy the cards now; the reviews are out in 2 days;Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidGraham
Pure entertainment?Quote:
Originally Posted by jmke
so the $500-$350 figure looks right.
Doesn't look right to me:Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
MSRP is listed on a live vendor site at $400 470, $550 480, and bestbuy shows $400 for the 470 as well. I called in with the SKU here and was told the same info of $400 listed in their system to correlate to this.
http://www.trizzeo.com/assets/goldentiger/bb480.jpg
Looks more like $400-550
We'll see if Nvidia is actually justifying their price with performance, or if this is just Nvidia applying the Nvidia tax... ("our $129 card has PhysX so its automatically faster" mentality)
nvidia is not undercutting ATi's price/performance ratio :(
Looks like we won't see price cuts for another 6 months
Starting to feel some depression setting in. If I'm already spending $500 each x 2 for SLI then the extra $50 isn't a big deal to me but......IF it really is approx 10% better compared to a card that can be bought right now (5870) for $420? Plus I'm on a 790i board so crossfire is out and I'm not ready to move to a new board/cpu just yet as dual core 4ghz isn't limiting my gaming performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
These days with the economy money is tighter than usual I can't really afford to auction off these cards and upgrade in 3-6 months I really want to have an SLI setup for 2560x that'll be good to go for 12-18 months. Hopefully there's some magic happening Friday night but it seems less likely as the day/hour approaches. :( Sure I could "wait and see" but I'm already playing BFBC2 at medium with DX9 forced to get min 40s and avg 50-60 it is a DX11 title with soft shadows I'd like to play it highest quality DX11...
Found this seems a lot of board partners are trying to boost performance, will it be good enough?
http://news.softpedia.com/news/MSI-R...n-138320.shtml
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Well.... damn that's a LOT of gamers not only that will be there but that will read about it, blog about it, call others (you get my point). For them to release like this on a product that is not worthy would be pretty damn foolish wouldn't it? I guess not too much more foolish than a CEO with a fake card or wood screws... If you think about it though the previously mentioned foolish things would only be magnified by a lackluster performing card that's shown to hundreds / thousands of people live and they are drawing a ton of attention to themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arxagelos
3DMark Vantage 3-way SLI
http://www.news4it.it/gpu/175-nvidia-gtx480-3-way-sli
:rofl:
What's the point, they blurred everything useful out.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jp7
I wanna see their surround vision working on one of these. It'd be nice to see how it stacks up against Eyefinity.
i wanna see some damn benchmark ......
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by 96redformula
Seeing that only adds to frustration makes me wanna break something. Why did he even bother to take screenshots, duh of course it runs 3-way SLI and can you imagine how f..in HOT that is with no breathing room... :yepp:
So 550 after all? Too bad...Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
http://d.imagehost.org/0377/gtx480.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
http://i42.tinypic.com/9vgvt4.jpg
Fake ??? I dunno. For nvidias sake I hope it's fake.
wow, MSRP at 499 but street price is 549? :(
Look at positive side, at least the GPU score it's not 2xxxx :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by 96redformula
MSRP of $549 unless I get it wrong. Street prices will be higher, obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by japamd
Bottom already confirmed fake by PCGH. Top looks it but not confirmed...Quote:
Originally Posted by Toysoldier
600$ fermi street price ????
Come on man, someone already linked to a website with PNY's GTX 480 list was $549 and selling for $513. Same with GTX 470 list was $399 and was selling for around $360 or so.... Like every single release there will be fluctuations depending on bundle and final specs from each board partner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
http://www.pcsuperstore.com/products...GTX480XPB.html
http://www.pcsuperstore.com/products...GTX470XPB.html
This store isn't going to sell them at a loss now are they?
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that link is dead
btw how can a card that is at a msrp of 550 be sold at 513??? LOLL
EDIT: well those link look like those earlier scam sites.... so not credible enough... until i see a newegg link ill trust those price
btw a site selling at a loss is impossible so its probably fake ..... so ill wait for newegg link
Fixed, sorry that was my nub posting skills...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
A lot of items don't sell for MSRP, let me give you an example.
I bought the Denon AVP and POA (preamp and amp) separates first time Denon has had reference quality separates for home theater in 10+ yrs, they were both MSRP 7,500.00 and they were highly sought after almost sold out before they arrived from Japan. I managed to still get 30% off MSRP each. I rarely pay MSRP for anything unless getting a deal is impossible. Apparently there is room for pricing on this release.
Nobody is allowed to sell GTX480 right now, so it's very possible that it is a fake.Quote:
Originally Posted by pentium777
However, this pricing is rumours, so you never know...
It says it is out of stock, they are certainly permitted to enter into their system 49 hours before launch aren't they? Can't expect for everyone that runs a business to enter into their system / website the second it is launched. Then they will be behind on orders that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
They have been accurate prior launches and even sold 5870's @ $350 pre-launch, when newegg had them at $380 for example (MSRP). Good resellerratings.com ratings, they are legit. Remember, MSRP is not a break-even point for vendors. Their price listed doesn't mean it's at a loss...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
P.S. They also have put up other cards a few days early, along with similar sites that take Ingram Micro distro data.
Thanks for the info on that website, wasn't sure of their history. For me PNY is not exciting, if it were a BFG or Evga then I'd probably be pre-ordering right now from there. However, I'd really like to see who has the OC'd or best version available.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
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Originally Posted by Jp7
:shocked: It has no PhysX :rofl:
PNY lists the GTX 400 series on their site: http://www3.pny.com/Categories/GeFor...Category_ID=13 (on the left, clicking it loops to the homepage at the moment though).
http://www.trizzeo.com/assets/goldentiger/pny.jpg
Huh? Correct me if I am wrong but 2-way SLI or 3-way SLI just processes the PhysX on the available cards right? So I'm trying to understand why someone would even want a dedicated PhysX with multi-GPU setup. Wouldn't that kind of be a waste unless it was say a older card like GTX 260 or 280 etc that wouldn't SLI obviously with new gen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechanical Man
BTW with a lot of people talking about having a dedicated card for PhysX what games really will make a ton of use of it right now in that config?
@ GoldenTiger, ya a friend of mine at a board partner company tells me in not so many words that Nvidia has stuck fear of God in these people about publishing details / specs etc... Kind of funny if you ask me. So his place of employment threatened them the same with losing their jobs if they discussed it.
Are you on a "who'll be more anti-nvidia while making the most hilariously wrong comments" bet with eric66? If so, I think you're going to win, eric66's posts are way better than yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
They just updated their stock status when you click the "Check availability" link:
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Part # 11112353
Manufacturer PNY Technologies
Manufacturer Part # VCGGTX480XPB
MSRP $549.99
Your Price $513.74
Availability Out of Stock
Estimated Time of Arrival 03/26/2010
Oh damn, it is actually gonna happen.....:DQuote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
:welcome: Fermi !
EDIT: I just went to site and added two GTX 480 to cart to see how it felt and it felt pretty good... However I just can't do PNY...
Yep, that's the feeling I've gotten when contacting a couple of places... and from what I've seen of some sites such as PNY's showing that GTX 400 series link then yanking it off, only to have it show up a few minutes again and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by pentium777
Yeah, PNY doesn't thrill me but it supposedly has a lifetime warranty (and not just shelf life) per their current terms and conditions (latest one I could find with google): http://www3.pny.com/support/media//F...9-01-09_v1.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by pentium777
Their phone sales has always been OK when I call them, and I don't really hear any horror stories about them, so I figure I'll let my order stay and enjoy not having to be lightning-fast to snatch a card up on Friday.
P.S. Another vendor I contacted said they expect the 26th as well for some to receive their allocations (not all will apparrently) through the first week of April. Said vendor warned that it will be hard to find them the first couple, similar to the 5870. So, indeed, :welcome: Fermi, for better or ill you're about to join us :p:.
Yep I have the feeling that my waiting and not jumping on the opportunity to order right now from that place might make me have to wait. I'm going to be ready and available to order the moment I find the card I want which ideally would be the BFG or Evga OC'd version. I guess the 725/1050 rumored one. Since I plan to keep them 12-18 months I'd like to ensure I can deal with issues easily and both companies have had good reps. With the reading it seems the 512CC is going to have to be a refresh OR it'll be priced higher than reasonable. Also both companies have that 90 or 100 day trade up thing just in case a refresh comes out sooner than expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by pentium777
What about that rumor about nVidia forcing the sellers : " If you wanna sell GTX 480 you buy 50 crappy cards also otherwise no GTX 480 for you"...
Anyone heard about it ?
GPU PhysX has to be disabled for a valid Vantage run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechanical Man
Sig worthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy
You need to add to ur sig, that when it was said, and that Fermi has been 6months late at that point :D
holy :banana::banana::banana::banana: is that for real?
not bad ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
That means a 2gb/overclocked 5870 is going to close that gap where nvidia does have the lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Designer
How are they justifying those high prices for FERMI?
:rofl: :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
Hmmmm... if true (and the watermark matches with what I've seen in the past, who knows though), the #'s for 2560x1600 look like this percentage-wise for the average framerates (I'm guessing minimums would be higher on the 480 vs 5870, as well):Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
Far Cry 2 2560x1600 4x/16x: 40.5% advantage
Hawx 2560x1600 4x/16x: 12.5% advantage
Resident Evil 5 2560x1600 4x/16x: 16.6% advantage
Crysis Warhead 2560x1600 4x/16x: 17% advantage (but still unplayable)
Batman AA 2560x1600 4x/16x: 39.3% advantage
Left4Dead 2560x1600 4x/16x: 6.4% advantage (CPU-bound?)
Stalker Clear Sky 2560x1600 4x/16x: 27.4% advantage
Battleforge 2560x1600 4x/16x: 23.5% advantage
World In Conflict 2560x1600 4x/16x: 23.7% advantage
Aliens vs. Predator 2560x1600 4x/16x: 25% advantage
Battlefield BC2 2560x1600 4x/16x : 2.3% advantage (lol)
Metro 2033 2560x1600 4x/16x: 38.5% advantage (but unplayable, 18 fps vs 13... no settings really specified either as far as tesselation)
Bioshock 2 2560x1600 1x/16x: 11% advantage
CoD5 2560x1600 4x/16x: 15.7% advantage
CoD6 MW2 2560x1600 4x/16x: 14.5% advantage
Dirt 2 2560x1600 4x/16x: 10.4% advantage
Impressive in some cases, unimpressive in others... I'm curious, if these are relatively accurate, how the minimums fare: will we see much bigger min. gains than avg ones? I'm hoping it'll be like the GTX 280 to 5870 gap in that regard, where the minimums are boosted far more than just averages. It seems realistic enough *shrug*. :shrug:
Depends if it's framebuffer limitations or not... hopefully we can look forward to driver improvements ala' 10.3 catalyst for the 5870, for the GTX 480 in a few months if this is accurate. It's about what I was expecting.Quote:
Originally Posted by 96redformula
So the question is now, how will this compete with 10.3+ drivers and 2GB hd5870. I don't understand why compare it to 1GB 5870 on 9.xx drivers, that was 6+ months ago....Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Where does it say those #'s are on 9.xx drivers?Quote:
Originally Posted by 96redformula
I've made the calculations:
GTX 480 beats the HD5870 %24 average on 1920 + 4xAA, and 23% average on 2560 + 4xAA.
GTX 470 performs nearly completely equal to HD5870 on both settings.
if those benches are correct. :p:
i guess i must thank for this :ROTF: wow what a pr_ck :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
Wow, looks like I won't be playing Metro 2033 for quite a while. Damn this 30" monitor.
Now write that down so when real non-biased reviews come out we will know how credible nvidia is with providing factual information on benchmarks.Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
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Originally Posted by annihilat0r
Not a bad showing in my opinion... question remains though, what driver version were those 5870 #'s taken with?
btw its funny ati loosing with huge difference in AvsP and battleforge since they both are atis own ( of course if those results are true still gonna wait for some quality review )
http://futuremark.yougamers.com/foru...70&postcount=1Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
"They used the 10.2 ATi cats for their comparison by the way."
Nice... I opted for 2-day air, myself :D. Glad I sold my 5870 when I did... got a good amount for it :)!Quote:
Originally Posted by ElSel10
10.2's I have seen on forums claim are around 3%-5% slower average than 10.3's... so it's pretty accurate still on the 5870's performance I'd say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh
well they probably tried there best to show how powerfull is gtx 480 :D and seems the reason benching of far cry 2 hundred times is clear as i suspected its clearly favoring nvidiaQuote:
Originally Posted by 96redformula
yeah, those evil people, always trying to put their cards on a good light!!!!!11Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
you are trying too hard to be funny you know that ? :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
well major improvements in cat 10.3 are 20 percent in hawx and 30 in dirt 2 they also promised some AvsP improvements on upcoming drivers as far as i remember so add those and you'll get better picQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh
Incorrect according to even hardocp's tests:Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/...er_performance
They saw a moderate improvement (12% across min/max/avg) in Dirt 2 and negligible in everything else they tested.
Fermi is much more likely to add on performance over time (with drivers) IMHO.
My eyes opened wide as I looked at the SLI scaling of BFBC2 amongst other titles, 2x480 in SLI looks good to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
84% increase in BFBC2..... NICE....
dirt improvement is different on various res and there isn't hawx test as far as i can seeQuote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
ps : funny thing is that hardocp has same fps with cat 10.2 so if you add those improvement 5870 will match up 480 performance
I got three letters for you, S-L-I... 3008WFP here and I had 3007WFP before this one. I've been 30 inches for a while now and once you go there you just can't go back! Look at the increases with SLI, IMO the scaling is better than crossfire solution which is mostly why I'm still sticking with Nvidia.Quote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy
only thing that can fix metro performance is patch from developer
SLI scaling indeed looks good, especially on lower FPS's, which is why you get a SLI system anyway
Yeah, the scaling is nuts :eek: . Shame I can't take advantage of it right now... can't/don't want to spend the money for two of these, one's already a lot :p:.Quote:
Originally Posted by pentium777
Has anyone even checked the FPS numbers? BC2 for example. HD5870 according to nV gets 62 FPS yet in [H] review with lower AA it gets 43.5
God knows what settings nV used for this benchmarks. I wouldn't be surprised if its not even DX11.
Exactly. ATI has had what, 7 months or so to refine their drivers? Nvidia should easily add about 15 to 20% (possibly more) increase in performance from driver optimizations alone over the next few months..Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
I'm betting the 200.xx drivers will be the first to have real G100 optimizations..
If this is true, we have a deference from 470 to 480 32sp witch seems to be a +20% advantage for GTX480, if fermi was with its whole sp512 then maybe we have seen xtra +20% advantage from 5870.
Hope GTX480 ultra or something hits the marker.
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Originally Posted by Carfax
So are you saying nV driver team was drinking and partying for the past 4 months since they got ES out of the oven?!
I expect the drivers to be very mature actually.
Yeah, I'm on a 30 incher myself and those SLI numbers if true look really good.. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
And I'm sure they'll get better as well in the future.
But it's hard to justify spending 1,000 bucks on graphics alone, especially when only a handful of games require that sort of juice to play at 2560x1600 maxed settings..
yeah this one can be said also and don't forget nvidia probably picked best scenarios so i expect actual difference to be between 15 - 20 percent on avg at bestQuote:
Originally Posted by SimBy
I don't... they had to have been tweaking things a lot, I doubt they had the first chips ready several months ago and had the specs 100% nailed down at that point in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by SimBy
Exactly... it's very hard to justify spending $1k for GFX when half that will max out virtually everything even at 2560x1600, with the remainder being playable with slightly lower settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carfax
Two results of BF BC2 and the same fps in 2 different configurations?:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
Anyone thats a long time user of Nvidia knows what I'm talking about..Quote:
Originally Posted by SimBy
There are a number of occassions in the past where Nvidia has released drivers that increased performance by as much as 20 to 30% on a new architecture..
The best example of this was the GF3 series.....but even the G200 got a good 20% boost in performance from the 180xx and 190xx drivers, compared to the release 170xx drivers.
That's really good if it's true, time to cross fingers! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r