Official DFI LanParty UT X38-T2R(and LT) Discussion/Review/Overclock/Guide Thread

try increasing your NB voltage.

I'm right now @ 1.45v on NB with the drop from bios set 1.504v. I will tryout with little higher voltage hope it'll help.
Thank you Ace :)

quick question for you praz,

when you oc your ram to those settings, what do you have your nb voltage to?

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Originally Posted by lazy

quick question for you praz,

when you oc your ram to those settings, what do you have your nb voltage to?

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Which ram?

your G-Skillz, im just trying to get a basic idea of how much nb i need

im having such a hard time OC'ing my ram comapred to the IP35 PRO

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Originally Posted by Dede99

Reboot issue? When I restart my comp then it turns first OFF then back on and then OFF again, and after it turns back on and starts up or sometimes it hangs with C1 error on the display. Do you guy's experience the same issue ?

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i get it sometimes only since i put in my mushkins
ballistix never gave me the issue

With the exception of the memory voltage the others are most likely higher then they need to be. I just punched all those settings in knowing they would have no influence on how the memory clocked. The required NB voltage is going to be more the result of the FSB speed rather then memory speed.

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CPU Feature Page
Thermal Management Control................Disabled
PPM (EIST) Mode...........................Disabled
Limit CPUID MaxVal........................Disabled
CIE Function..............................Disabled
Execute Disable Bit.......................Enabled
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Core Multi-Processing.....................Enabled

Main BIOS Page
Exist Setup Shutdown......................Mode 2
Shutdown After AC Loss....................Enabled
O. C. Fail Retry Counter..................0
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DIMM 3 Control fine delay.................Current 423
DIMM 4 Control fine delay.................Current 412
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Ch1 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto
Ch1 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto
Ch1 Command to CS Delay...................Auto

Ch2 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto
Ch2 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto
Ch2 Command to CS Delay...................Auto

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hm... so was i expecting too much to have my tracers to run at stock settings with only 1.4v?

stock settings being 5-5-5-15 @ 1066

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Originally Posted by Praz

With the exception of the memory voltage the others are most likely higher then they need to be. I just punched all those settings in knowing they would have no influence on how the memory clocked. The required NB voltage is going to be more the result of the FSB speed rather then memory speed.

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CPU Feature Page
Thermal Management Control................Disabled
PPM (EIST) Mode...........................Disabled
Limit CPUID MaxVal........................Disabled
CIE Function..............................Disabled
Execute Disable Bit.......................Enabled
Virtualization Technology.................Disabled
Core Multi-Processing.....................Enabled

Main BIOS Page
Exist Setup Shutdown......................Mode 2
Shutdown After AC Loss....................Enabled
O. C. Fail Retry Counter..................0
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CPU Clock Ratio...........................8x
CPU Clock.................................465 MHz
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PCIE Slot Config..........................1X 1X

CPU Spread Spectrum.......................Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum......................Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum......................Disabled

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CPU VID Control...........................1.50000V
CPU VID Special Add.......................Auto
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SB Core/CPU PLL Voltage...................1.510V
NB Core Voltage...........................1.655V
CPU VTT Voltage...........................1.393V
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Clockgen Voltage Control..................3.45V
GTL+ Buffers Strength.....................Strong
Host Slew Rate............................Weak
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CPU GTL 0/2 REF Volt......................N/A
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Enhance Data Transmitting.................Fast
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Read Delay Phase Adjust Page
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DIMM 4 Clock fine delay...................Current 445
DIMM 3 Control fine delay.................Current 423
DIMM 4 Control fine delay.................Current 412
Ch 2 Command fine delay...................Current 845

Ch1Ch2 CommonClock Setting................More Aggressive

Ch1 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto
Ch1 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto
Ch1 Command to CS Delay...................Auto

Ch2 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto
Ch2 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto
Ch2 Command to CS Delay...................Auto

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Praz, which G.Skill are those again? I have 2x1GB HZ's and was wondering if I might be able to use the same settings if & when I pick up one of these boards...

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Originally Posted by lazy

hm... so was i expecting too much to have my tracers to run at stock settings with only 1.4v?

stock settings being 5-5-5-15 @ 1066

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Depends on the FSB/strap you use. A lower FSB/higher strap is going to require less voltage. This is 450 FSB/333 strap. Reaper at 1080MHz.

http://www.edgeofstability.com/image...0/3600_a_s.jpg

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Core Multi-Processing.....................Enabled

Main BIOS Page
Exist Setup Shutdown......................Mode 2
Shutdown After AC Loss....................Disabled
O. C. Fail Retry Counter..................0
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CPU Clock.................................450 MHz
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DRAM Speed................................333/800
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PCIE Slot Config..........................1X 1X

CPU Spread Spectrum.......................Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum......................Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum......................Disabled

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CPU VID Special Add.......................Auto
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NB Core Voltage...........................1.504V
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Enhance Addressing........................Fast
T2 Dispatch...............................Auto
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Ranks Write to Read (tWRRD)...............4
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Channel 1 Phase 0 Pull-In.................Enabled
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Channel 1 Phase 2 Pull-In.................Enabled
Channel 1 Phase 3 Pull-In.................Enabled
Channel 1 Phase 4 Pull-In.................Enabled

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Channel 2 Phase 2 Pull-In.................Enabled
Channel 2 Phase 3 Pull-In.................Enabled
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DIMM 4 Clock fine delay...................Current 370
DIMM 3 Control fine delay.................Current 356
DIMM 4 Control fine delay.................Current 345
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Ch1Ch2 CommonClock Setting................More Aggressive

Ch1 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto
Ch1 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto
Ch1 Command to CS Delay...................Auto

Ch2 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto
Ch2 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay..................Auto
Ch2 Command to CS Delay...................Auto

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Originally Posted by t_ski

Praz, which G.Skill are those again? I have 2x1GB HZ's and was wondering if I might be able to use the same settings if & when I pick up one of these boards...

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PC2 8000 2x2GB 5-5-5-15. Different chips then what you have.

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Originally Posted by Praz

PC2 8000 2x2GB 5-5-5-15. Different chips then what you have.

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hopefully mine of those will be delivered in the next few days :D

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Originally Posted by zsamz_

set gtl settings 68% to 70% of voltage settings
on auto it will be set @ 67% its too low
cpu vtt must be set slightly higher than cpu v
improper gtl setting will give you many problems
gimme your voltage settings i'll give you gtl settings
btw i'm also new to dfi lol

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I'm running 1.575 vcore. So I'd run 110+?
On the cpu vtt, I've noticed some running lower settings than vcore. Does it still hold to set slightly higher than vcore?

forgot what strap it was but using 400fsb it got me exactly 1066 which is the stock ram speed for 2.2v

thouht i had a bad piece of ram since it wouldnt boot at those settings, guess i just needed to put more nb voltage

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Originally Posted by OnDborder

I'm running 1.575 vcore. So I'd run 110+?
On the cpu vtt, I've noticed some running lower settings than vcore. Does it still hold to set slightly higher than vcore?

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I'm not sure where that info came from. To reduce the amount of ringing at the driver, Intel has added a weak pull-up device to the output buffer of the GTL circuit. This device turns on at the beginning of a low-to-high signal transition, substantially reducing the impedance mismatch between the output buffer and the transmission line. As a result, the amount of overshoot and ringback is significantly reduced. The source terminal of the pull-up device is connected to the core voltage supply. This causes the logic high voltage to rise above the GTL termination voltage for one cycle. After one bus cycle, the pull-up device is turned-off and the output will stabilize at VTT if the output remains in the logic high state. But when we raise VTT above VCORE we have effectively removed the pull-up device from the circuit. Unfortunately, overclocking necessitates the need for an increased VTT. But it is never beneficial to increase VTT just for the sake of doing so. Especially with the goal of elevating it above VCORE.

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Originally Posted by lazy

thouht i had a bad piece of ram since it wouldnt boot at those settings, guess i just needed to put more nb voltage

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Once you get where you need to be speed-wise you can always go back and start dropping voltages. Whatever it takes, you have to get there first.

Thanks for the reply and your assistance.
What bios is recommended? I'm still playin' on the original.
I see that there are not any "official" bio's. I've got a couple downloaded to a saved file..

its such a pain to flash the bios with out a floppy

ive downloaded a few but at times it tells me that an incorrect bios is loaded
or if i do get it to load it tells me some other BS and wont let me continue

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Originally Posted by lazy

its such a pain to flash the bios with out a floppy

ive downloaded a few but at times it tells me that an incorrect bios is loaded
or if i do get it to load it tells me some other BS and wont let me continue

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cant you use winflash? i upgraded my x38 with it

winflash, the windows flashing program,

thats what im talking about having problems,
for some reason, it doesnt want to work on my computer, i have no idea why its not working so i cant fix it

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Originally Posted by lazy

winflash, the windows flashing program,

thats what im talking about having problems,
for some reason, it doesnt want to work on my computer, i have no idea why its not working so i cant fix it

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The only time I see those issues is with Vista 64 Bit. There may be a compatible version released as a Beta exists and works well. But with that said, the best and easiest way to flash is with a USB stick.

well i got my x38 today.

had a few problems as one of my memory stick is refusing to work in this chipset, im posting atm off the x38 but only with the stick that works. the other stick wont work by itself in any slot or in any order with the ok stick, it just gives C1 error & wont boot. the ok one works in any slot fine.

i hav'nt got round to testing the funny stick back in the icfx as it getting a bit late & it was working fine up until the x38 got delivered. it also far easyer for me to go & test it in my mates 975x/g down the road when i finish work tomorrow. might be worth trying his adata pc2-8000's in my x38 for peace of mind & before i think about RMAing the reapers.
then i'll have to borrow one of his adatas to tie me over till the reapers return from RMA lol. he cant complain as he got the adatas off me & still has'nt payed for them :)

all pritty annoying but uve got to laugh, i even did it the stupid tit way & instal;led the mobo stright under my blocks, then had to take it out again & build a ghetto rig so i could get to the RAM easy :doh: . the only good point was i did'nt hav to change any of my h2o loop around as the block placing from the icfx3200 is perfect for the x38.

Brother Esau

Can you please mail me at snowsportsarelife@talk21.com with regards to BIOS chips? Cheers, its just you have no contact details on site

Sheldon

I havent been able to boot from my sata dvdrw while connected to the ich9r. Does anyone else have this issue and/or a fix?

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Originally Posted by Bikerz

Brother Esau

Can you please mail me at snowsportsarelife@talk21.com with regards to BIOS chips? Cheers, its just you have no contact details on site

Sheldon

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I sent you a Email as per requested;)

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Originally Posted by lazy

winflash, the windows flashing program,

thats what im talking about having problems,
for some reason, it doesnt want to work on my computer, i have no idea why its not working so i cant fix it

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u have to use the full version not the min dload

get this one
http://www.dfi.com.tw/Upload/BIOS/Winflash192.zip

and make sure to run it as admin

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Originally Posted by Praz

The only time I see those issues is with Vista 64 Bit. There may be a compatible version released as a Beta exists and works well. But with that said, the best and easiest way to flash is with a USB stick.

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weird... i see no problems with the one i got from the abit site on my vista 64

I've got a little problem, a few days ago i started testing each tick of my 6 GB Crucial Values with D9GKX. I want to get the best 4 and stick the together, the other 2 GBs will end in my htpc. In Bios i set 2,19v vdimm everything else ram related on auto. After first stick hits 600 mhz memtest ok but 605 was a no go i got a bad feeling that something is holding me back. Nearly the same with the second stick, 600 mhz tested so far. For some reason i had to reset the bios and i don't knwo exactly what settings i made for vnb and vtt, problem is that the second won't even do 580 mhz again, 570 is memtest stable again, but i wasn't able to get my 600 back :(
OK 570 would be ok for value sticks i thought an moved on to test third stick.
again 580 was possible, nearly the same as the second one so what's going on, seems that the board is limiting me, isn't it ?
So what i need exactly would be some settings where i can start and how i can work on, since i don't have enough time to find out by myself.
NB is watercooled so temps should be ok, so what voltage would be ok for 24/7 ? Maybe i should try some of your Ballistix settings since they've the same ICs on them ?

What bios is everyone running?
Which beta?

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBandit

Well got the board a few days ago after owning the P35-T2R a few monts.

The board take's a bit longer to boot and doesn't handle the 480 FSb the P35 could.

But !

RAM OC is completely sick :shocked:

I can run my 4x 1GB Ballistix PC8500 at DDR1273 on performance level 6 @ 2.36V ! :D

I tested all the beta biosses wich are out but the only one and by far the most stable one is the only official one and 1st release ! :up:

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Originally Posted by OnDborder

What bios is everyone running?
Which beta?

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I am running latest beta that corrects the NB volt issue. But according to Bandit up there the "most stable one is the only official one and 1st release".

I would like to give it a try but with NB volt issue this will be tuff...

Actually there is an official release from DFI that is listed as 01-11
This is not a beta bios and it also corrects the nb voltage problem

http://us.dfi.com.tw/Support/Downloa...FLAG=A&SITE=US

those have the same packing date are they the same i dont feel like flashing

I think those are the same, I don't think DFI would bring out official bios with same date as the beta. They would @ least change it to like 12.1 or higher.

woah... those g.skill pc8000 rock!! i've just put mine in my x38 with my e6600 and booted @ 500 * 6 with 1:1 on the mem strait off the bat.... cant wait for the e8500 now :D

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Originally Posted by Dede99

I think those are the same, I don't think DFI would bring out official bios with same date as the beta. They would @ least change it to like 12.1 or higher.

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Quite the opposite imo, DFI often upgrade a good BETA to retail/official with the same dates.

CN :)

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Originally Posted by C-N

Quite the opposite imo, DFI often upgrade a good BETA to retail/official with the same dates.

CN :)

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md5 checksum is the same, same bios, no change from beta

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Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown

woah... those g.skill pc8000 rock!! i've just put mine in my x38 with my e6600 and booted @ 500 * 6 with 1:1 on the mem strait off the bat.... cant wait for the e8500 now :D

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I am having a helluva time now with mine, cannot get 32M pi stable anymore :(

Ordered up some fancy Geil stuff, be here in the morning, will try that, might be my overclock, dunno, I am crunching stable @ 4GHZ, been completing valid work units for 5 days, but for the life of me, cannot get 32M stable on the ram.

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Originally Posted by linflas

md5 checksum is the same, same bios, no change from beta.

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I dident say it was any different apart from the fact its now been upgraded to official rather than BETA.

The big deal is not whether its the same file, BETA or not but rather BETA BIOS's void warranty where as official ones dont.

CN :)

So, I finally am getting around to installing my mother board last night, and I noticed some scratching around the NB heatsink attachment holes. It is a semi circle around the top hole and a smaller scratch on the lower one. WTF!?! I highly doubt DFI will let me RMA it because they will blame it on me. What should I do? How deep does a scratch have to be to ruin a board? It doesnt look like it went through the copper traces, it just exposed them. What do you all think I should do? I bought it through MoboPro.

probably speak to motherboard pro but i dont think it will be bad. mine looks like it was quality tested before shipped

I haven't even booted the board yet (ducks to avoid stones thrown from XS members). I got mine in the first shipment. Should I just try and boot it and see if it works? The coating on the board appears to be quite good and it may just be surface damage.

give motherboard pro a quick email and see what they say -if it means that you don't use your board untill you get a reply then its better to be safe than sorry :)

Ok I flashed to the 2008/01/11 bios.. Is "Execute Disable Bit" missing for everyone else? Mine is missing.

So bc of the warranty it's better to reeflash the 111 bios, so I'll have to get my floppy out of the box again :)

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Originally Posted by C-N

The big deal is not whether its the same file, BETA or not but rather BETA BIOS's void warranty where as official ones dont.
CN :)

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I have a couple of questions about X38-T2R. As I understand that the UT version won't be sold in Europe, but I'm interested in the cooling system..
That's one thing DFI does not have in their X38 board, unlike ASUS and GB X38 boards...

So, my question is, can the southbridge sink on the X38-T2R be removed and replaced for another one? For example for a ZALMAN ZM-NBF47 or Thermaltake CL-C0034?
I'm asking about the SB, cause I see there is a dedicated NB cooler with the board and I would like to add a SB sink too.
Thanks. :)

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Originally Posted by OnDborder

Ok I flashed to the 2008/01/11 bios.. Is "Execute Disable Bit" missing for everyone else? Mine is missing.

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ill be flashing it tonight so ill let you know

This is wierd.. I flashed back to the 11/07 bios..
Didn't see any improvement, so I flashed back to the 1/11/08 one. What do you know? The "Execute Disable Bit" is there now.:shrug:

Talked to MoboPro, I am outside of RMA period, so YAY! :(

I will try and boot it and see if it works. Hopefully I wont be buying 2 x38's.

Ninja edit: MoboPro was great to work with, as always. They are doing everything they can to help.

Happy days!, The Geil on the 10:8 divider rocks, very happy to have resolved my problem, sad I had to take out the Gskill, I have been a big fan of them. I however really wanted to keep my overclock @ 4GHZ. Memory is completely on auto at this point, need some time with it to figure out subtimings, any advice is always good.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2703/32mdh8.th.jpg

Edit, guess it would help if I showed auto subtimings...

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4125/memsetpf5.jpg

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Originally Posted by aL3k

I have a couple of questions about X38-T2R. As I understand that the UT version won't be sold in Europe, but I'm interested in the cooling system..
That's one thing DFI does not have in their X38 board, unlike ASUS and GB X38 boards...

So, my question is, can the southbridge sink on the X38-T2R be removed and replaced for another one? For example for a ZALMAN ZM-NBF47 or Thermaltake CL-C0034?
I'm asking about the SB, cause I see there is a dedicated NB cooler with the board and I would like to add a SB sink too.
Thanks. :)

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first thing i did is replace the sb heatsink its a bit big so cant run crossfire
need to get hr-05 sli to run crossfire

what cards you are using for xfire? im currently using 3870 and the sb doesnt interfere with it

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Originally Posted by aL3k

I have a couple of questions about X38-T2R. As I understand that the UT version won't be sold in Europe, but I'm interested in the cooling system..
That's one thing DFI does not have in their X38 board, unlike ASUS and GB X38 boards...

So, my question is, can the southbridge sink on the X38-T2R be removed and replaced for another one? For example for a ZALMAN ZM-NBF47 or Thermaltake CL-C0034?
I'm asking about the SB, cause I see there is a dedicated NB cooler with the board and I would like to add a SB sink too.
Thanks. :)

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i dont see why this matters the LT has better cooling since it has no lolercoaster and it has the tower style active cooling so the NB is almost as good if not better than liquid

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Happy days!, The Geil on the 10:8 divider rocks, very happy to have resolved my problem, sad I had to take out the Gskill, I have been a big fan of them. I however really wanted to keep my overclock @ 4GHZ. Memory is completely on auto at this point, need some time with it to figure out subtimings, any advice is always good.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2703/32mdh8.th.jpg

Edit, guess it would help if I showed auto subtimings...

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4125/memsetpf5.jpg

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what setting is 5:4 in the bios? since it has like 333/667 or 400/800?

thats probly the 400:106

266/??? I can't remember, but it is the highest 266/XXX

wouldent that be 266/1066 and that would be 1:2 but ur at 4:5 would be 266:667

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wouldent that be 266/1066 and that would be 1:2 but ur at 4:5 would be 266:667

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probably right, I am at work, not at home, so not looking at things, and I set it up real fast just before work, no time to tweak yet, just plugged it in, and hoped for the best.

Just curious.
Why are most of you running 2x2 gig of ram? Vista?
Or is it something else I missed?

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Just curious.
Why are most of you running 2x2 gig of ram? Vista?
Or is it something else I missed?

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yeah ive got vista 64

Guys, I'm not sure if you understood me correctly. I see the X38-T2R has no pipe (Transpiper or whatever it is), but there is a separate NORTH bridge cooler in the box. That's fine, but I'm asking whether a SOUTH bridge cooler can be installed. Can I replace this one:

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/6278/southnx4.th.jpg

I know that south bridge cooling is not so important like NB, but I would still like to add one on the SB like this one for example:

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/257...47cpqd9.th.jpg

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Originally Posted by zanzabar

i dont see why this matters the LT has better cooling since it has no lolercoaster and it has the tower style active cooling so the NB is almost as good if not better than liquid

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first thing i did is replace the sb heatsink its a bit big so cant run crossfire
need to get hr-05 sli to run crossfire

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Yes the SB heatsink can be replaced. With which one the graphics card is going to be the limiting factor.

Well you get what you pay for, the Geil is really made me a believer. Quad 32M SuperPi stable!

pretty damn happy, vcore 1.4875, vdimm 2.27 (2.1-2.3 is rated voltage for these dimms) NB 1.579, very impressed.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7...32x4wh6.th.jpg

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Originally Posted by Praz

Yes the SB heatsink can be replaced. With which one the graphics card is going to be the limiting factor.

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That's what I wanted to know. TY, Praz!

Somebody running 4x1GB Ballistix PC2 8500 on this board, as I'm having a kit of these and I consider buying another one? The choice of 2x2GB KITs is very limited atm. :( Maybe I should take a look at those GeIL EVO's, but I'm unsure if it would be better than Crucial 4x1's...


P.S. I'm getting the board in a few days. I chose it over Maximus and X38-DQ6, hope I won't regret it. :p: :cool:

made mistake :(, took my mosfet off and replaced the thermal paste with AS5 Ceramique and gues what. I have alot higher temp's :( now then before. If anybody knows what I made wrong since it wasn't my first time to apply TP to mosfet.

You are either going to have to use a lot of TIM or preferably reapply thermal tape.

Unless there is something terrible wrong the best thing a person can do is not disturb the original interface material on a digital MOSFET. FET to FET height is never identical because of on-board placement tolerances. The die size of these MOSFETs make it difficult to shed the heat that is produced from the loading that we subject them to. And finally because of the mounting method of the heatsink the board has a tendency to bow at the middle FETs. When combined, these issues make conventional TIM a rather poor choice for an upgraded cooling solution.

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PC2 8000 2x2GB 5-5-5-15. Different chips then what you have.

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Do you think my 2GBHZ's will work OK in this board? Motherboardpro has them in stock finally...

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Guys, I'm not sure if you understood me correctly. I see the X38-T2R has no pipe (Transpiper or whatever it is), but there is a separate NORTH bridge cooler in the box. That's fine, but I'm asking whether a SOUTH bridge cooler can be installed. Can I replace this one:

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/6278/southnx4.th.jpg

I know that south bridge cooling is not so important like NB, but I would still like to add one on the SB like this one for example:

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/257...47cpqd9.th.jpg

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Best SB solution that I've found for this Mobo so far and great to use with 2 x Crossfire:

ENZOTECH SLF-1

Fits like a charm, pure cooper and also has a fan!

thank you Praz, I will reapply again and see if it will get better, otherwise I'll try it with the thermal tape. So playing around with the DIGITAL MOSFET is bad idea, but now it's to late for me I'll have to fix it again :)
Tnx again Praz, I appreciate it!

I wonder if the Evercool VCRE would work John?

what about the hr05-sli it has the bend so that u could move it, and i have my SB at 2V and its cool to the touch

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Originally Posted by Brother Esau

I wonder if the Evercool VCRE would work John?

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Southbridge cooler has to have a hole to hole distance of 59mm but I think VCRE only has 54mm


@ Jor3lBR : how much dba for the ENZOTECH SLF-1 ?

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That's what I wanted to know. TY, Praz!

Somebody running 4x1GB Ballistix PC2 8500 on this board, as I'm having a kit of these and I consider buying another one? The choice of 2x2GB KITs is very limited atm. :( Maybe I should take a look at those GeIL EVO's, but I'm unsure if it would be better than Crucial 4x1's...


P.S. I'm getting the board in a few days. I chose it over Maximus and X38-DQ6, hope I won't regret it. :p: :cool:

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the board is verry strong for 4 stick i got her upto 1200mhz with 4 sticks
runing 4 sticks is tougher on the board though
you lucky you did not get the dq6 lol was a nightmare

Hi to all!

I'm a new owner of this mobo and i have some problems; First of all my sistem:

- Intel Q6600 step G0

- 4x1 Gb Crucial Ballistix Tracer PC8500

- 1 hd seagate 250 Gb SATA

- Ati x550

- WIN XP with SP2


THE PROBLEMS:

- The "fake boot": I've installed the last official bios and at default the sistem see my rams like CRUCIAL PC6400 with these settings "266/800" and with the voltage "1,904" and all other options are setted to "AUTO".....i use an APC 800VA and everytime i'v finished to use pc i turn off the power button of apc...After this when i went to turn on the pc ,fisrt i turn on the APC,then i turn on the pc,but....the first time the pc starts and after 2-3 seconds it turn off automatically and after 2-3 seconds it re-starts and it loads all the OS normally...have you got any ideas???

- The Crucials: i try to put them (4 sticks of 1 Gb) at default as Crucial sais:2,2 Volts and "266/1066"and the other settings setted on "AUTO" but the instability rules.....so i had the suspect of memory broke and with the memtest 1,70 (with the ddr2 at 2,2v/1066) ALL of 4 sticks (try one by one on the first yellow slot) had many errors...but is it possible that 4 modules with a week of life were all corrupted?
Or i must setted very well "clock fine delay" and "read delay phases"?...must i set the correct timings manually in the bios if i want to use them as DDR2 PC8500?...if you know..tell me al the bios settings.. to work with 4 gb of crucials and a q6600 all at default...;)....Last thing : The pc seems to be stable only with the crucial at 800 MHZ....with the crucial at 1066 IE crash and the in some cases the pc (from windows9 reboot automatically...

- in your dfi the standby led doen't turn off in every cases?

now bye and thx for all...;)...i wait your replies....;)

chek the sticks 1 by 1

standby always on

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the first time the pc starts and after 2-3 seconds it turn off automatically and after 2-3 seconds it re-starts and it loads all the OS normally...have you got any ideas???

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That's a requirement of the chipset. When power is completely remove from the system the board has to boot twice for the chipset register to be properly configured.

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- The Crucials: i try to put them (4 sticks of 1 Gb) at default as Crucial sais:2,2 Volts and "266/1066"and the other settings setted on "AUTO" but the instability rules

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266/1066 results in the NB being stressed as that is not a stock setting. Board voltages will have to be adjusted to compensate.

ok guys ive set all my watercooling up and im about to plug in the fans which will provide some general airflow, looked in the manual to see where the fan connectors are and instead i learn that the 'cpu fsb select' is done with a jumper... I thought that on the dfi p35 boards the strap was listed together with the memory dividers in the bios??

Also should i put my ram in the yellow or green slots?

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ok guys ive set all my watercooling up and im about to plug in the fans which will provide some general airflow, looked in the manual to see where the fan connectors are and instead i learn that the 'cpu fsb select' is done with a jumper... I thought that on the dfi p35 boards the strap was listed together with the memory dividers in the bios??

Also should i put my ram in the yellow or green slots?

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That jumper is to cold boot at those FSB, make sure your chip can handle that fsb at the VID it is listed at. Better to leave it low, and clock through the bios.

Green is channel 1 and 3, use them

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Originally Posted by Den Leiw

Southbridge cooler has to have a hole to hole distance of 59mm but I think VCRE only has 54mm


@ Jor3lBR : how much dba for the ENZOTECH SLF-1 ?

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Best price here:
http://www.svc.com/cnb-s1l.html

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...2&prodlist=msn

That little sucker works great, and fits for crossfire, all copper, with fan. Silent as well. Have to remove 1 copper fin (will be intuitive when you try to place it) due to the placement of one of the caps on the board.

seen in action here http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1029

cool i used to have that fan before i watercooled my northbridges, sometime during the athlon xp - nforce 3 days... I had to use something low profile to get it under the videocard

I have to mount a new mosfets cooler from Mips on the board, what would be best..?

1. Thermal pad http://www.vcore.dk/shop/ac-termisk-pad-856p.html

2. AC Ceramique http://www.vcore.dk/shop/arctic-silv...ique-402p.html

probably ceramique, but depends upon the boughing of the board, and contact on all the mosfets, get both, and then if you need the thermal pad you have it.

Yeah, but how will i know if it has sufficiant contact and that I need to use the pads ;o)


thanks

pull it up after placing it, if you have ceramique spead thinly on all the mosfet points you are good to go, if not, and some of them do not make good contact, have to go the other route.

yeah, sounds like a good idéer, that would work.

Thanks again

Bad idea you got there PRJ, I did it yesterday with AS Ceramique and if you read view post's before I got no good news from it. Before I use to have LOAD temps max 48c and now I rich 58c in just 2 minutes of Prime95. So if your temp's are under 50c I wouldn't get to it. Read this post http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1262
and good luck with it :) I'm going to reapply the Ceramique now and hopping t's getting better.

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I have to mount a new mosfets cooler from Mips on the board, what would be best..?

1. Thermal pad http://www.vcore.dk/shop/ac-termisk-pad-856p.html

2. AC Ceramique http://www.vcore.dk/shop/arctic-silv...ique-402p.html

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hi guys!

The situation appears a little better than th elast once...Now i've setted "nominal" on ch1 under the menu "clock fine delay" and i've setted maully the ddr2 timngs 5-5-5-18 with 2,2 v for pc1066....now i'm on windows and ie without ie errors....but with only one stick of 1 Gb....mmm

For praz:...but the chipset required 2 boot with the default parameters too?...
and must i increase the voltage on NB?

thx guys...;)

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For praz:...but the chipset required 2 boot with the default parameters too?...
and must i increase the voltage on NB?

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Initial apply of power will always require a double boot with the X38 chipset regardless of operating parameters.

Because of NB latency and register settings some dividers will require more voltage then others.

Hey, John which FLUKE DMM do you recommend I get and don't tell me to get the cheapest one I only buy the best tools and I want a Good DMM for doing PC work:)

Most any fluke is going to be of better quality and accuracy then most other meters out there. The price is going to range from about $130.00 to $550.00. Go to Fluke's website and look at the comparison chart of the different meters. Then we can look at any disadvantage the one you decide on might have.

guys,

what direction are you mounting the thermalright ultra extreme 120 on the dfi?

Am i right - i can mount this so the fan and fins is in line with the case fans, but i can also mount it so it blows vertically ?

G.

I have a mystique 632s case with two 120mm, in and out as well as a side duct.

mine is vertical ... i.e. blowing top to bottom if its in the case / towards the chipset

hi guys...;)


I've tested another stick of crucials PC8500 tracer....and all is...OK!....this result with these settings (on the last official bios)

- I've sette manually 2,2 V for my tracer at 1066 Mhz

- I've setted manually 5-5-5-15 for my ddr2

- I've setted "nominal" on ch1 under the menu "clock fine delay"

the only bad thing is the initial double boot....the fake boot!...And i've increase the NB voltage but nothing!....have i done a good thing praz?


Now i have a BIG question:

- Is it possible that i must work on the options of "fine clock delay" for to be stable the sistem at the default settings?....

ok im in the bios, upped a bunch of voltages...

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5...8198gu1.th.jpg

Surely this overvolting cant be right??

With the chipset the double boot at initial power up cannot be stopped. The board should run at default settings without having to adjust clock delays.

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ok im in the bios, upped a bunch of voltages...

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5...8198gu1.th.jpg

Surely this overvolting cant be right??

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It is only overvolting by .0052volts why would that be a problem? and I can assure you the amount of overvolt is way less than the innacurracy of the sensors.

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I have to mount a new mosfets cooler from Mips on the board, what would be best..?

1. Thermal pad http://www.vcore.dk/shop/ac-termisk-pad-856p.html

2. AC Ceramique http://www.vcore.dk/shop/arctic-silv...ique-402p.html

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Uh..where did i read this not long ago??? do NOT use paste on a MOSFET!!!!

Use the tape!

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mine is vertical ... i.e. blowing top to bottom if its in the case / towards the chipset

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OU ?!

I am still not sure (i just looked at it in a hurry) whether it actually fits so it blows horizontally...because on the LT with this small tower NB heatsink...would this fit ?

Also..IF i do it vertically then defintly blowing up to the PSU towards the PSU fan...if i'd to let it blow down i have two opposite fans, PSU sucking up and right below CPU fan blowing down......this wouldnt make sense at all.

If i can i would just let it blow sidewards..towards rear fan...but as said i dont know if this would fit..i guess i just have to mount that stuff and see myself.

okay after spending abit more time in the bios, Ive spotted a little pattern in the northbridge voltages...

1.417v --->1.44v
1.430v ---> 1.45v
1.444v ---> 1.68v
1.456v --->1.69v

This is like the overvolting thing ,isnt it?

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OU ?!

I am still not sure (i just looked at it in a hurry) whether it actually fits so it blows horizontally...because on the LT with this small tower NB heatsink...would this fit ?

Also..IF i do it vertically then defintly blowing up to the PSU towards the PSU fan...if i'd to let it blow down i have two opposite fans, PSU sucking up and right below CPU fan blowing down......this wouldnt make sense at all.

If i can i would just let it blow sidewards..towards rear fan...but as said i dont know if this would fit..i guess i just have to mount that stuff and see myself.

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like this


http://img203.imagevenue.com/loc68/t...9_122_68lo.JPG http://img158.imagevenue.com/loc967/..._122_967lo.JPG http://img42.imagevenue.com/loc976/t..._122_976lo.JPG

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like this

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Hot air rises naturally, so if you blow it downwards it will be going against the hot air... Imho it should blow towards the psu and create a stream of air guided by fans

well that would mean i need to have the fans sitting on the top of my heatsink no? my machine is horizontal on a desk

oops yeah i didnt read the posts properly, got kinda distracted halfway by some bubbles in the loop... Ive edited my post after i realized it didnt really have alot to do with anything