:yepp: It's more or less what I understood, sorry, if I didn't explain it better.:(
@keithlm & jaivan: Thanks for responding and testing. Seems I got 2.9 stable here. Used 1GHz HR mem in 800 mode with 192ns RFC's in normal mode and an 1.8GHz NB speed and sandra benches fine atm. Gotta sort out what did it now. :)
EDIT: He He with 201MHz ref HT and above settings i get the freeze using sandra memory latency test again. At least it's an issue occuring soon. My 9600BE showed his weak face always after 3hrs prime95 that was abit time consuming to sort out.
No nu post so i'll continue. Turned out that the nb requires alot more volts to for stability if the cpu is running at 2.9 instead of 2.8GHz.
Had this stable:
CPU 2.8GHz 1.3125V
NB 2.2GHz 1.275V
MEM 533 5-5-5-15-18 2V
Now at 2.9GHz i have to use this to atleast avoid the freezes
CPU 2.9GHz 1.425V
NB 2.2GHz 1.325V
MEM 533 5-5-5-15-18 2V
I got my 9850 BE today. I'm going to test it on saturday. It's JAAFB AA 0809GPMW.
Somebody should open a "Post your Phenom revision B3 OC and stepping" topic. :D
You know what I mean:p:
I have to go to FED EX to PU my RAM in a few minutes:shakes:
The Phenom 9850 BE will arrive tomorrow:)
Dang.
I have the dreaded C1 error.
I tried quick a CMOS reset. No luck.
I've tried different memory. (I've a few cheapo DDR2 sticks around.) No success.
I'm now trying the long clear with the battery out type of CMOS reset. We'll see what happens.
NOTE: THis happened when I ran the sandra tool that goes in and finds suggestions and tweaks... it rebooted and then the C1 came up... and that is "the end". I had just paid for Everest to help out testing and benchmarking... and was considering Sandra. (But based on this... I guess I'll save my money. I know... it's a DFI problem... but nothing in Sandra should have done this.)
Darn it.
Brother Esau you seem to have a lot of experience. Could running something have somehow messed up the flash?
(I was on the 3/7/2008 official release. I almost flashed the 3/31/2008 beta... but I wanted to go for stability first.)
So should I RMA or get ahold of another flash chip and get it flashed? How much do those cost anyway? (If this is the problem then apparently it wouldn't be a bad idea to have an extra chip on hand.) How much is a flash unit to actually flash them? (Looks like about $40.00 or so for a burner... what's a chip cost? $10.00 or so? Perhaps I'll buy a couple of them and a programmer. What chip does it use?)
Good idea, id not feel that OT as here posting oc results most of the time. :D
EDIT: Upped NB voltage to 1.35V now i only need 1.4V for 2.9/2.2GHz. CPU Temps are around 70°C running prime95, core temps ~65°C. Tried up to 3GHz via ref HT but with ~1.44V the cpu temps pass 80° little too much for longer stability testing.
Yep. No more Christmas in April.
Don't know if it was Sandra... but that is what I was running... and it caused the reboot. (And now not boot.)
I hate it... but if it IS the flash.. I'd rather buy a new chip or two and have backups. (Looks like the going average price for these on the net is about $20.00 or $30.00.)
I might even buy a EPROM programmer if the cheap $40.00 ones will do these chips. It looks the chip blanks are about $3.00 or so. I'd MUCH rather do that than deal with ANY type of RMA to Newegg OR DFI. (Unless I could call DFI and get them to send me one. Sadly I suspect that they'd rather I go through the entire RMA process with newegg... even though I doubt there is anything wrong with the motherboard, ram or CPU.)
FRUSTRATION. :-P
Guess I should have flashed that 3/31/08 beta bios... maybe this might not have happened.
I am rapidly wishing I had picked another brand. I got this because it had the best onboard sound and I liked the transpiper. But having something that WORKS would be better than anything else. And of course Newegg won't refund these. So I guess I just bought a lemon. Now I'll go buy something that will work and write off the $250.00
How about putting your X2 back in?
Might be worth a try.
Calm down man and relax OK? If you get a C1 Error Please unplug the PSU for a couple of minutes and move the Jumper to clear position and after a couple of minutes reverse the process. Please wait at least 4o seconds after the PSU is plugged back in to power up.
Let us know how it goes :yepp: Just got back online had to Install my new Super Micro Hot Swap Sata Cage in my Rig and install the ram and change out the heatsink for the stock AMD one will be putting my Tuniq in my DFI Expert system and sending my CoolIt TEC Cooler in this way I will be motivated enough to do so with temps that are 15c higher on stock heatsink:eek: I think I should be able to pull the hooks out of my ass and get this done finally:D
The Bios Chip thing....Don't have any chips right now have to put a order in for a 100 or so for Intel/AMD 8mb Flash chips just have been pre occupide with my cat getting deathly ill and almost dying and all that nightmare past couple of weeks. But if you need the chip Flashed and you cannot recover from C1 Error I'll throw it on my programmer for you and you can owe me a favor and do some beta testing for bios after you get situated with the board and all ..........Trust me no other experience comes close in the Overclocking world compared to the DFI Experience:up:
There have been issues with Speed Fan killing Boards and cpu's probably more like corrupting the c'mos (that will do it) but yes there have been strange reports like that since the 790 came out and its not just DFI boards either!
P.S........You have to buy more then one Blank Flash chip at a time ......LOL.. Nobodies gonna sell you one chip man. Now if you want to buy a 100 PCS.....thats a different story all together.....I get mine shipped from Taiwan which is about $50.00 just for the shipping
(Doing the exact steps withe power. I've done that about 50 times. But Perhaps I didn't wait at least 40 seconds before power on.)
I read about the speedfan etc. That is why I'm pretty sure what happened seems like a bios problem.
(I was running at stock CPU and memory speeds... no overvoltage except 2.1V on memory which is the memories spec.)
Ah bulk chips... don't really want that many. Didn't think about that. Darn it. It was an idea. And I'll do you a favor now: Go buy one of these:
http://http://www.hagen.com/usa/cats..._fountain.html It is the greatest thing since sliced bread for cat owners.
I came about seconds from pulling the trigger on a $60.00 cheap AM2+ board. If I order NOW I can have it friday and then have somethign working this weekend... no matter what happens with the DFI. (Which I still want... I just want it in "operational" condition darn it.)
NO JOY on the waiting over a minute after re-attaching power before turning it on. (I turned the PS on... then waited a minute... then hit the power button. So the motherboard had that minute of power to do it's thing.
SO QUESTION: Do you agree this sounds like the bios? (I'm concerned about either getting a new bios chip or deciding to start the RMA process. Which I don't really want to do. And also I worry about the memory and CPU... I feel better knowing this has happened before.) BTW: If you send me a new bios chip... I'll contribute to the cause and pay for half your next batch. EDIT: Oh I see you wrote $75.00 just for shipping... I thought that was the price for the batch. <gulp> So perhaps not half the batch...
You don't have to do that man and I hardly think you want to pay for half of my order for a Bios Chip:D
Well I can tell you this Keith for me it always regardless of what DFI Board I get its twice the charm first one of my P35 and 790FX-M2R had to be replaced and my Expert board before that:rolleyes: Don't know why strange luck I suppose but this is my second board and have not had a moments trouble with it outside of Bios corruption which is common for the amount I flash and DFI is really slacking on the Bios on this board but then again if it wern't for me pimping this thing the way I have it probably would not have gone anywhere on this forum at all with the general concensus being Intel frame of mind and all...so....Kudos to Me:p: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :D
Hard call man could very well be the Bios Chip maybe not though.
What you can do is start the RMA process and ship you're Bios Chip out to me and I'll program it and even test it on my board for you and I'll ship it right back out your way in Fruit Cake Coffin Ville:rofl: Worst case scenario is that it is the Board but it very well could be the chip too! Let me know what you want to do? I have a running offer on this thread for those that sign up with me through PM For Beta Testing in the even anything fgoes wrong while Beta Testing I will re-program their chip Free of Charge....Hows that you gonna get that with ASUS?
I thought $75.00 WAS your order. (Not just shipping.)
Anyway I think I'll send this one back to Newegg and get a replacement. But in the future... I will be more than willing to try out any of the beta bios. Actually I'm just glad this thing has a POST readout. (Another bonus the M2RS doesn't have. In fact not many motherboards have that anymore.)
And in the future... let me know if you get a new batch of chips.. I'd definitely send you some cash for an "emergency replacement" chip if I could have one on hand. (Just in case this happens again. Which it seems fairly common. I'm just glad I had extra ram to test.) With an emergency chip around I'll flash anything that comes along as soon as I see it.
BTW: QUESTION: If you didn't have the EPROM programmer... and the ability to fix your own bios... how many times would you have been "Dead in the water" even with the motherboard that has not given you any problems?? (i.e., you may have had MANY situations that would have really messed with us mere mortals.)
Double posting. (Yeah I know.)
Definite kudos for doing so.
I agree with what Tony mentions in his thread about some friends of his that mention that the AMD chips are less "jerky" than "the other brand". The other brand may do a lot of things to optimize, tweak, and win benchmarks... but EVERYTHING they do does have side effects during normal use that many people don't want to consider.
(But don't try to mention this... you'll get eaten alive.)
OH and BTW: I'm glad I had this working with the 9850 and the memory last night and today until the crash. So I know that things are probably fine with the RAM and the CPU. Plus I had fun doing a few benchmarks. That should help me in my long wait for the new board. Darn it. You pay $40.00 to get something shipped overnight, but they don't deliver it on monday, and then this happens. What did I do with my screamy guy picture??? <runs off to go look for it>
The DFI P35 was some of the best Bios I swear ...just pure works of art all of them. The 790 Bios suck when comparing the 2 Bios for P35 & 790FX you would swear that they are drunk when coding them for this board when making that comparison :rolleyes:
DFI probably thought AMD was dead in the water (can you blame them?) But I guarantee now that things are turning around with B3 Stepping and everything else positive ion the way from AMD thats not going to be the case with the future Bios at all.
You also have to figure that I am going out of my way looking for failure on the Bios level so I can save others the anguish of finding out the hard way.
Its been a very shaky road since AMD came back to bat and its really been strictly for those wishing to debug the current associated problems with the new architecture or die hard AMD fans.........All in time Sky Walker all in time!
Just think of it like this most of whats going on is not DFI's fault its primarily a source code issue attributed to AMD / AWARD and DFI and other Board Makers are doing their best to run interference with the current situation which aint easy at all and make something good out of something not so good or in infant stages to be more accurate.
Generally People even me don't have a issue with Flashing Bios or Bad Flashes with DFI unless you opt to use WINFLASH and then you are just begging for problems and not using your head so is it a common thing with DFI ? NO!!!!!
Do you get Bad Flashes for no reason ? Yes :banana::banana::banana::banana: happens!!! And theres nothing you can do about it!:up:
P.S............Its People like us or is us....lol....that have helped make Phenom B2 "LOSER" go to Phenom B3 "WINNER"!
But I cant take any credit for Phenom at all just joined this end of the Party myself:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Update............. OCZ2RPR10664GK 4GB PC2-8500 (DDR2-1066) is a Winner and Boots NO Issues whatsoever @1066 Divider:up:
Have them Priming Blend Test right now at 1.83vdimm @1066 Divider past 1 1/2hrs
I have 8gb G.Skill F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ and it boots fine with the 1066 divider and the 9850 but i remember when i tried it with my 9500 it didn't boot.
Camp - maybe not too good an idea although a kind thought :D
We all mainly have the same stepping 9850 so far, as you saw with 9500/9600, stepping does not matter with Phenoms. It may be enough to state this somewhere in the beginning. I have 3 of the same week and batch tested before, all different as I stated then. Mine and Tony's 9850 is the same ATM but look at his and look at mine. There's no trend to note :(
BTW can you please try Memtest at that RAM setting, P95 on RAM really doesn't show much instability, it will miss a lot of it while RAM is still unstable and thus will start degrading. You can't access a lot of RAM through it either.
keithlm, that's the same error you get with Phenom across many boards. It won't start-up just like that, it may not start up for days like this no matter which setup you try. Leave it on for a while and let it keep restarting itself, it usually boots up once this way. Do you have an X2 to try? It's not just DFI BIOS etc, its on all boards, they all have this error to some extent and its the BIOS+Phenom to blame AFAI being told.
Switch PSU off, reseat everything incl. CPU/GPU if you can, startup, with one MEM out, remove your GPU too, try booting - if it boots without restarting, put back the other MEM and restart it [don't switch it off through the PSU, unless you can't avoid it]. Again, it's not a dead CPU/MB thing, it's just a major bug since the beginning and looks like something is dead. Even flashing a new BIOS won't help [it actually happens at this time most], it's the board+BIOS interaction, something is going seriously wrong.
BTW, when you guys are overclocking the Phenom, can you run asymmetrical clocks between all 4 cores with AOD? Like 0@3.0, 1@3.2, 2@2.8, 3@3.4 for example. I thought one of the features of the Phenom with AOD was to allow independent clocking of all four cores.
If I boot it up it beeps and the green lights on the keyboard (ps/2 right now) flash on then off... it flashes something like P0 on the POST display then it goes to the C1 and that is it. Nothing else happens.... it just sits there displaying "C1" and stops. It does not restart itself.
I've reseated everything... and now have 1 stick of older slower ram sitting in the slot. Doesn't help. I'll let it go until morning and then try again.. if it still won't go... I'll send it in for RMA. BTW: Since it rebooted during a system test.. it is probably that something in that test did something to the bios. (This has happened in the past with speedfan from what I understand so it's not unknown.)
I have an X2 but it is missing a pin. (939)
Actually most people interested in that are more inclined to NOT overclock. They use the Cool and Quiet to let it UNDERCLOCK.
The 4 cores can Underclock seperately using less power and running cooler.
(But I think the AOD tool will let you yet. I didn't try... during my short day and a half that my motherboard worked. Besides it didn't seem to work well with this motherboard.)
i think memtest is not a very good stability test either... i'd prefer goldmemory, the thorough test is indeed relatively trustworthy.. but its not free..
in the comparison memtest<->prime i think prime blend a lot of hours is much more predictive..
I've got a 4 knob fan speed controller I use for all my fans.
(3 case fans, Video card fan, and CPU fan.
I used to attach the CPU fan to the motherboard on my old motherboard... but with this one the speed never ramped down so I unhooked it and put it onto my controller.
Do you think it might be that the motherboard needs that fan attached?? and/or maybe also a NB fan?
I seem to remember a motherboard from a long time ago that would have FITS if you didn't attach fans.
What do you think?
EDIT: No luck doing that. <sigh>
Keith, problems this soon on.....not good and RMA it!
Tying in overclock to stepping/week/batch for Phenom when there's no known trend for 6 months. :)
Whichever, boot is usually far better since it can access RAM away from OS interaction and the complete RAM, not just parts of it. Test#5/6 is the best and main ones to pass for about an hour looped. Systool 16M 4threaded is also good to test RAM.Quote:
Which MemTest ......Boot or Windows Memtest?
Oese; hardware MFGS including the largest software ISVs like Microsoft run and advise to run it, it certainly is formality in most places because of its proven consistency and reliability. Trust me, P95 or any in-windows tester doesn't come close for RAM error checking, many times repeatedly, it has been found that software stability has failed Memtest/Windows Memory Diagnostic Tool stability. For CPU, yep, P95 is very good, not for RAM though. RightMark Memory Stability Tester and Memtest HCI are better for RAM checking than Blend, but it depends how you run them - load as much RAM as possible, don't play around with something else in the background or your results may be skewed. The tool you mention is also good but Memtest is a proven tool by RAM MFG reps. Check the coding and instruction of both P95 Blend vs Memtest, one is a general rough approximation and one a streamlined specific memory tester using various patterns and high RAM stresses. Run P95-B using plus 2.4 vDIMM on 667/800/1066 D9s and you'll still very likely be fine. Run Memtest with that and you'll very likely kill the RAM. Also, there are many new versions of Memtest, don't know which one you tested to compare to P95-B.
Then it's probably something different to what the major problem with Phenoms around is when you get C1 - it usually should restart by cutting power off before POST.
And yeah, booting first try etc is not the point if you did have that particular error - it will only boot 1 in a 100 tries or so even if no hardware part is in error, very rarely will it boot, and the problem I was thinking is not board or CPU but a BIOS problem. It doesn't sound like that problem though.
Yes you can clock each core separately with Phenom/AOD, people did it a while ago including underclocking. ;)
speaking about memtest i meant that memtest that was implemented into DFI biosses in some Lanparty UT Boards which is also available separately...
[QUOTE=keithlm;2908246]I thought $75.00 WAS your order. (Not just shipping.)
And in the future... let me know if you get a new batch of chips.. I'd definitely send you some cash for an "emergency replacement" chip if I could have one on hand. (Just in case this happens again. Which it seems fairly common. I'm just glad I had extra ram to test.) With an emergency chip around I'll flash anything that comes along as soon as I see it.
Right:D Try like around $400.00:eek: Still want to Pony up with half of that for one Bios Chip?:stick:
I will be speaking with Charles (FUGGER) about having a section on the Forum in Services for My Bios Reprogramming Service for Members for members with a 100 posts or more (No Dead Beats bouncing into the forums) will be entitled to get Bios Chips for $15.00 Each +Shipping ...which is always 2 Day Priority "Insured":up:
For $200.00 I think I'd just order a new board from NEWEGG and keep a spare. :rolleyes:
EEEK... 100 posts... guess I need to get to posting. Although other than a few posts about my Thermalright HR-03Plus on my 8800GTS I hadn't really posted in these forums for about a year. Or two.
But yeah... $15.00 is reasonable.
NOTE: I Contacted DFI:
They didn't specificaly say: but it seems that it is possible that Sandra corrupted the bios. The technician said:(Although he doesn't say if a corrpupted bios is part of "problems" you might have. Besides... they really need to just fix that. If Sandra and Speedfan can cause a corrupt bios.. something is AWRY.)Quote:
"And if you are going to run old non-updated for 790FX chipset programs, you need to disable monitoring or checking of SMBUS or you will have problems. Sandra has been notorious for that for 7 or 8 years now and one reason I moved completely away from Miss Sandra."
I would say so! Considering the going Rate on the NET at Bios Websites is $25- $30.00:up: So yes thats a Forum Members Discount on my Website when up it will be the same as the going Rate perhaps a little less if I decide so but I generally charge $28.00 "Shipped 2Day/Insured" so thats $21.32 lets just say around $21.00 Per Bios Chip
12/11/07 Bios as told to you before earlier is a Beta and I tried it when it was Alpha Stage for Testing and I gave my comments which were not good at all and some how it ended up on the Official List....WTF:rolleyes:
That Bios when I tested it 3 different Times Alpha , 2 time official it sucked and created major issues where I had to Erase and Re-program my chip!
Sorry to hear you having C1 errors now after trying sandra. I feel abit guilty about that. Had sandra and CPU-Z running in parallel for hourst yesterday without that problem, :shrug:
Never used speedfan on the DFI after I heard about the bios issues. You don't have an X2 cpu at hand you can try in the mobo?
Hey, Achim:welcome: whats up brother? No been pre- occupied because of the Issues with my Cat Marshall almost Dying and all of that crap:(
But in Regards to my buddy Marshall my cat he is making a full recovery and his Daddy is Nursing him back to Vigorous Health the Natural way as God intended through Organic Foods and suppliments, Chinese Herbs and Holistic Medicine:yepp: ;) :up:
I ran Sandra all day with no problems... for benchmarks.
It was when I was looking around at obscure things inside of sandra.. and found a "create report wizard" or something like that where it goes through and looks at a bunch of things and prints out a list of suggestions that's what did it. :brick:
I had loaded the 307.
BTW: QUESTION: DIdn't you say somethign about using an older version of the bios to flash and then upgrading to the current flash inside the machine?? (Something like 11/7?) Will that old version boot a Phenom?
(I'm looking around town for someone with an EPROM programmer... so I want to know what I should take with me. Probably won't find anyone... but who knows.)
Keith...I have already offered you my help.
When I first got my P35 it was the same thing worked out of the box on desktop downloaded latest Bios 11/22/07 flashed Bios 12 minutes later C1 and dead as disco.
I would not necessarily blame the Bios Flash as said it may be that it may not be that. Just sed it back to newegg and get another one
Glad to hear your cat did it. How old was he 20 years, that's turtle like age for a cat. :)
My last cat did not get back from hospital few years ago. Due to breeding her inner organs had defects from the beginning.
Any feedback from fugger? I think that market place section here is visible after few hunderd posts only, whould be a good place for your offerings.
@keith: My 9500 died on day one in the Sapphire version of M2R. I assume it was a simmilar issue I used everest and speedfan and everest always froze my machine. Tried the cpu in different boards no post and c1 on dfi. Will wait for a while till i try rma i may get an 9550 once they stopped the 9500's.
That's scary. It hosed the processor eh?
Okay... I guess I'll RMA the board for now instead of trying to get a new flash. I was hoping for a faster solution. <grumble>
But if it is the CPU then I need to know tha for sure. (So I might be in for several RMA waiting periods, eh?)
Have not spoken with FUGGER yet and have allot to do in general right now with recent move back to the East Coast from the West Coast , delays from having the FLU for 3 weeks and also my Cats Illnesses on top of that as well.'
Marshall is 16 years old:)
Aye... and I thank you for the help.
DFI will send me a new chip for $10.00 so I've ordered one. Regardless of whether this IS the issue or not it is not a bad idea to have a spare.
I'll be patient and try this when it comes to see if this is the solultion.
This process will take a few days longer... but if it works then I'll have saved a few weeks. If it doesn't work then I'll be prepared to RMA and I'll have only lost a few days.
I just get impatient. Ergo my posts. Sorry.
<insert screaming guy picture here>
Just for the record, Phenom 9850 all default settings :D :
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/335...aulthx3.th.jpg
Edit1:Prime95 4h (Start time is 18:22 had clock +1h)
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7...me95lb5.th.jpg
humm... CPU VID=1.312IDLE/1.248LOAD
Edit2: @2800 CPU-FID=14 All default
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/717...2800iz1.th.jpg
Edit3: @3000 CPU-FID=15 All default ( I changed both CPU Multi, Genius main page and CPU config CPU-FID, when in Windows had only 12.5 as Multi. :confused: )*
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6...3000ch7.th.jpg
FYI, these are $20 cheaper at ZipZoomFly.com than the G.SKILL kit is at Neweeg.com: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...tCode=10008035
These are easily the better buy at this point.
campbell, look what your ex-cpu can do on the green low-v side....
:clap: :clap: :clap:
1000mhz:confused: I don't get it!
Guys what are your Temps like with the Phenom 9850 BE @2500mhz with vcore scaled down to 1.2500 set in PWM?
I there a bug with Temps on these new revisions?
THE SAGA CONTINUES....
When we last left the old padawan geezer he was dealing with the C1 error...
Doing a hot flash did not work with the bios on my old NForce4 board. (The /F flag no longer works. /QI might have something to do with it now... but it could not recognize the chip.) I had it laid all out like a breadboard. Got it to boot from USB. Much better than floppy.
Anyway... the new bios is coming from DFI. ($10.00) That will be handy... makes me MUCH more likely to play with beta bios... if the C1 problem doesn't happen again.
HOWEVER: I gave up and gave in to common sense and the advice that Brother Esau was giving me... I RMA'd the board back to Newegg.
INTERESTING NOTE: Didn't realize that when you RMA with Newegg... they will ship the new one back to you using the same method you had orginally paid for shipping. I.e., I paid for overnight... so when they ship the RMA it will be overnight. Of course me sending it back goes regular UPS... dang it. (They wanted $100.00 for overnight from me to them. DANG.)
So now I'm just hoping it is NOT the CPU. That would be the pits. (But since this error is fairly common with the MB I have hope. After all my hopes for the memory worked out okay. Kind of.)
Thanks for all the help. In the meanwhile... I'll just suffer with my old ancient 4800+ dual core. <sniffle>
Now it's time to give in to the BEER side... lots of beer, some friends, and a bunch of karaoke.
keithlm What award version did u used? I use 887, it works!
Told ya Oli its a really sweet chip I never was able to cool it the way I would have liked thats why I never laid into it beyond my Review Benches .....But she's got potential that for sure:yepp:
Had to drop the Tuniq Tower back into my case that crap stock cooler was running 13c hotter at idle and 20c hotter at load.
I have my CPU Vcore down to 1.23v @ 2500mhz will test that and see whats up First never believed much in throwing Juice of the bat into processors and like to find the lowest Vcore it will run at and condition it and train it like the HO it is!:D
boxed cooler never is a good decision..
and really i LOVE that 6400+ BE chip.. not only much FASTER at lower vcore, but reasonably undervoltable in idle mode :eek:
i think i'll buy some corsair dhx from a german forummember to push it beyond 3,6ghz :D and get some really nice 3dm and pi-numbers.. at the moment it does the 1m pi in 24,3s.. and thats not at all bad :D :D :D 3dm06 right now is at 13.3k without oc on the cards and i want to get 14k with that chip running > 3,6ghz :D :D :D don't say thats not possible :D
not to spoil your glee, but at 3,6 you should do about 22,** in sp1 with proper ram freqs
PHENOM IS GO!! :D
well, i got back to my dorm and i unwrapped my bundle of joy. lol. i immediately lapped my phenom after seeing the crappy high corners (see pic in other thread )
before lapping
http://media5.dropshots.com/photos/1...0/b_193244.jpg
before polish...
http://media4.dropshots.com/photos/1...1/b_014149.jpg
finish... :)
http://media5.dropshots.com/photos/1...1/b_030908.jpg
now, on to testing it out on the M2RS =P
i experienced no problems at all putting this phenom in the M2RS board and overclocking... it worked the first time... all i had to do was reset the CMOS before installing. it immediately booted to 2500mhz. i just couldnt wait to clock this baby up to 3ghz... lol, heres my initial results...
http://media4.dropshots.com/photos/1...1/b_024301.jpg
I'M FINALLY 5.9!!! hehe
so, for all you DFI 790fx-M2RS owners out there... the new B3 phenoms work perfectly as well as overclocking.
havent done any benching yet because its like 5am and i have class at 9:30 (i plan on sleeping.. heh) but i just wanted to quickly try this baby out before i hit the hay :p:
Had a disc failure so i had to reinstall on a single hd today.
Install log:
2.9/2.4GHZ 1.4/1.35V failed
2.9/2.4GHz 1.425/1.375V failed
2.9/2.2GHz 1.4/1.35V failed
2.9/2.2GHz 1.4125/1.3625 failed
2.8/2.2GHz 1.4/1.35V in progress / EDIT: worked
Always getting blue screens during installation. Sometimes IRQ related sometimes page faults sometimes without comments.
I can not set the CPU-FID if i set the cpu multi on the genius main page here. :shrug:
Can you boot 3GHz at stock (1.3V) voltage?
And to nag you albit more, have you checked the max ref Ht you can get? Mine tops out at ~270MHz where the 9600BE did up to 285MHz. (on 3-07 bios).
Also I found the higher the ref HT the lower the possible max nb frequency can be.
@Gunther: Nice polish, how much did you remove?
as for micrometres of removal... i have no clue... i lapped until i saw all copper and i saw my reflection. lol... seems to have helped.my temps seem really good when under load and overclocked to 3.0ghz...
http://media5.dropshots.com/photos/1...1/b_054722.jpg
^^Looks like the CPU FID option has a major bug, it's not changing clock speeds at all [bit like Crystal CPUID for NB].
His 2800/3000 results are too slow. Wprime depends on CPU clock speed highly and his 3000MHz 32M is slower than my completely non-optimized, normal windows, AV/FW/FX/CPUZ running in background ran 32M at 2800MHz: http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/1269/2800wprimeav2.png
Here's my old 3000MHz run, its far quicker: http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/465/wp323gds4.png
And I've just ran my 2828 again [NB is stock, just changed it in CCPUID before to set on boot], its still fair bit quicker than his 3000: http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?i...primehdid6.png
Which is not possible. His clocks are lower than 2800, his 3000 result looks like 2700. You have another DFI bug to sort out ;)
But he has a very low stock Vcore, he has a lower TDP, higher binned model which should clock better than ours.
My results at 2.9/2.2
http://www.abload.de/thumb/wprimepdm.jpg
I think ageom has a bios related issue with 307 i can not set the cpu fid in the bios at all if i set the cpu multi on the genie main page. CPU-Z always reads the correct multi here.
EDIT: Results at 3.0/2.4GHz 1.4875/1.425V
http://www.abload.de/thumb/cpuz3ghztxs.jpghttp://www.abload.de/thumb/wprime3ghz8wv.jpg
Everest Results 3.0/2.4GHz at 1.5/1.475V mem 533-4-5-5-15-11 at 2.3V, very unstable config.
http://www.abload.de/thumb/ev5xk3.jpg
Max power consumption of the whole system during uptime was 477W DC, 12V1+12V2 had 237W DC max consumption.
Can not run wprime 1024 or cinebench maybe at higher voltages but i'm at 75°C core temps and above 80°C cpu temps here so i must wait for better cooling to arrive.
EDIT: Tried 2.9/2.4 GHz today seems stable at 1.435/1.475V but getting too hot for longer testings. 2.9/2.4GHz work save at 1.425/1.375V (minimum somewhere near 1.4/1.35V) here with temps at around 70°C (cpu) under preassure.
My newegg charge messed up and my Phenom didn't come in. After reading more about the DFI bios bugs I may wait to everything gets sorted out.
So am I reading correctly that TBL isn't gone yet? Gunter are you running the 3/5 bios for the M2RS and can you confirm about the TBL.
Man this is a little wacky. Wish I could contribute but I'm waiting till after the tax money comes in now.
I was using the one that DFI has with their bios.... 8.90.
I went through 6 or 8 floppies trying to find one that would format... then I gave up and made a bootable USB stick... MUCH better. And much more stable than a floppy.
The last thing you want to hear while flashing is the floppy drive starting to do the "re-read" shuffle. Sadly while rebuilding the machine... the faceplate on the floppy came off... and I blew about 12 years worth of dust out of there. Then I realized this is the same floppy I've been using since 486 days... everything else has been changed multiple times.
BTW: When I hooked my drives up to the new MB/Phenom Vista updated all my drivers and everything worked very well. (I was ready to re-load... but never got around to it.) BUT going back to the old motherboard... it's all messed up and I HAD to reload. I think it has something to do with the ACPI stuff on the motherboards. (I'm guessing.)
OK......I need some advise from users that Run Vista 32bit with 2X2GB Ram Kits please:)
I am New to owning Vista and I am also new to owning 2x2gb Kit of Ram and my question is this.....When using Vista what works well with Stability testing programs? Also what do I set in Prime95 for amount of Ram in MB to be used for Blend Custom?\\ I set 4000mb But Task Manager shows 2.16GB being utilized:confused: Is it just Vista or is it just me not being familiar with Vista or both?
So I need counsel on the Proper way to set up Prime95 Blend/Custom and HCI MemTest Windows using Phenom with 2x2gb sticks of Ram please;)
Let's see..., for 4th time I'm gonna try reply to you guys.:rolleyes:
Well, here it's the same, if I change CPU multi in Genius main page, no CPU-VID in CPU Feature page. What I was trying to say is, changing one at the time, didn't affect multi after booting Windows, because I was running at BIOS default, after CLR CMOS, loaded BIOS default, so CnQ was AUTO, and affected the multi setting in Windows, setting it at 12.5.
CnQ disable I can change CPU multi or CPU-VID to 15, and booted like that.:up:
Yes, I can boot to Windows, 3000MHz default Voltage, in fact I was able to install Vista x86 too. But now (some hours ago) I'm facing IDLE lockups, only replaying here was enough to lockup 3 times in a row. :(
Maximum HTT was 275 at 11 multi, very unstable, enough to boot XP. 307 bios.
Hehehe... Tye that runs was 1st 9850 boot, BIOS on it's default as I explained above ( I guess:) ), multi changed in AOD, no reboot at all.
Maybe yes, system is running slow at 3000MHz general use, need couple secs to open this forum main page, not normal.:shrug:
I got some EVE stress test at 1.37v, system is more stable, at least I'm still writing :lol2:
Yesterday manage to boot 3100MHz at 1.34v, did CPU-Z Validation, lockup, end of story, tried 3200MHz, system boot, Windows load fail, I didn't wanted go over 1.36v, 1st CPU day.;), played some HT/NB/MEM at 3000MHz, IDLE instability. Went to bed, getting pissed off, grrr...
Gonna play a little more today.
Have you or RGone test 8.87? :D 8.83 it's OK too, can be used /f command, 8.90 :down:
Have you more info about temps at 1.25v?
I haven't read all the new posts, just went straight to here for reply.
EDIT:
3DMark06: CPU=4081 AOD Yellow
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2...5513tt7.th.jpg
EDIT 2:
3DMark06: CPU=4074 AOD RED :shrug:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4...5634mx8.th.jpg
EDIT 3:
CPU=3000MHz
HTT=200
HT=2000MHz
NB=2400MHz
MEM=1066 CL5 5-5-16 2T Ganged
3DMark06: CPU=4160 AOD RED
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/8...5811gd9.th.jpg wPrime :http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/1...rimenq0.th.jpg
With my Tuniq Tower 120 Installed once again Temps are very normal:)
Currently I am @2.6ghz @1.23vcore Real :D
Prime95 Running Small FFT ambient is 80F Load I am 47c
:up:
Nice load temps.
Are you using the bios in your Sig?
Anybody know if the DFI 790FX-M2R will work with a cheap $32.00 Sempron? The 790FX boards from other companies say they work with a Sempron... but DFI doesn't say anything. (But they don't say anything about using 1066 memory either.)
I'm considering ordering one of these as an "emergency" backup CPU. "Just in case". If I get my Motherboard back next week and the Phenom I have ends up being what my problem was... then I'd have to wait for that to RMA. In the meanwhile I could get a 2.0 Ghz Sempron for $32.00 and get it at about the same time that the motherboard comes back.
If the phenom works okay (which is my HOPE) then I would have wasted $32.00. On the OTHER hand if the problem IS the phenom... then the $32.00 would pay for itself immediately. (Since I wouldn't have to replace my old motherboard/cpu/memory yet again.)
So it would be kind of like "insurance". If I order it... then the laws of nature would say that it will be un-needed. :-)
PLUS as a bonus... I can use the Sempron with a small cheap motherboard and some cheap ram for building a multimedia server.
Yes I am currently on 1/30/2008 :) Really don't understand enough or am unfamiliar with Phenom so Flashing Bios when you don't know whats normal and whats not is not a sensible Idea and not very bright at all even if I can reprogram the chip on my end I need a working Baseline on which to Judge other Bios on.
:rofl: Just ask, because was thinking to give 130 a try.:peace:
EDIT
CPU=3100MHz
HTT=200
HT=2000MHz
NB=2400MHz
MEM=1066MHz CL5 5-5-15 2T Ganged
3DMark06: Overall=16162 CPU=4258 AOD=Red
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5...6162wx1.th.jpg
:woot:
EDIT 2
wPrime
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4...2728fc0.th.jpg
EVEREST
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/3...3100iv2.th.jpg
EDIT 3
CPU=3100MHz
HTT=200
HT=2000MHz
NB=2400MHz
MEM=1066MHz CL5 5-5-15 2T Unganged
3DMark06: Overall=16201 CPU=4278 AOD=Red
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3...6201hp8.th.jpg
:woot:
Appreciate the offer aGeoM:toast: So far I like this Bios with the Phenom but with my 6400+ BE it was just ok and not as good as 11/22/07 and the 3/12/08 Beta were but none the less good:)
With Phenom its a really nice Bios from what I see so far but also I have not really challenged the HT Bus deal either. Actually it appears that HT Clocking is kind of pointless on the Phenom seeing how you can manipulate the HT / CPU /NB all independently which is really, really nice by the way:cool: and jam on it that way :yepp: But I suppose HT still finds its merit and worth in being able to incrementally increase and fine tune your clocks CPU/Ram/NB and what not ;) But I really like the Phenom and it really rounds off the experience on this board quite nicely and Gaming is much more fluent even at stock compaired to My Q6600 @3.55ghz and 1186 on Ram now thats impressive :up: Cant complain at all man not at all:clap:
:toast: m8
You are working on 130, me and justapost on 307, and Tony on 331, 3 front lines. :up:
Well... just finish for today, updated 3DMark06 ganged/unganged memory setting, had some Phenom love, I'm happy, I can go sleep now. :)
Didn't try Gaming on 9850, must install my favorite game ( Americas Army ) to play a little tomorrow, it's a good game for testing CPU too.
Cya guys, be well...
Brother, I hear that quite often from people both having an AMD and Intel setup. So guess that's a good and solid statement then:yepp:
Anyway, I ordered a Phenom 9850BE, hopefully it will arrive today.
I asked this in the 790FX-DQ6 thread however no one seems to care or so:shrug:.
Is it possible the IMC on my X2 is degrading or so? A few weeks back I had those strange crashes etc while my memory was allright. Turned out I had to downclock by 30Mhz and it was all good again.
Then this week I got them again:confused:. This time I thought it would be the memory (D9's), and I tested them with lower multi and they errored. However I wanted to be 100% sure and changed the DIMMs for one OCZ ReaperX PC6400 (two won't fit lol). Tested the CPU again at the 14x249 and it still BSOD'd. So it wasnt the D9's after all, since the IMC is linked with CPU speed and controlling the memory I think it might be the IMC dieing slowly?
Ill drop the CPU into my 790FX-DQ6 board today. It does have a broken 4th DIMM slot, but as long as I stay away from that it's ok. If I can get the CPU stable again on the DQ6 the problem must be at my M2R, however I really have the feeling it must be the CPU.
Any ideas? And even better, how to prevent it from happening next time:shrug:.Temps never got over 50, and I only tried a very, very few times at 1.55V to check if I could OC further in the beginning.
Well, in this case I hope it's the CPU.I still have to RMA the DQ6 because of the 4th RAM slot. If it's the M2R, Ive to set everything over into the DQ6, RMA the M2R and when I get it back again change evrything over again and RMA DQ6:(.
The only logical thing at this point is do as you say and drop it into another Board and further test to evaluate the problem and see if you can duplicate it in another set up. Could be the PSU as well that will also give you problems with RAM and make it error out been there done that one and was quite miffed by that situation until I finally came to the conclusion it was the PSU and sent the Siverstone STF06 in and got a PC-Power & Cooling and voila problem solved:)
The CPU? Doubtful but possible! Really depends on how hard you lean on your stuff with voltage applied but it does happen, as odd as a sighting of Big Foot at McDonalds :eek: But it is possible:)
Did you Test RAM with Memtest 2.0 yet?
Could be the PSU, but if that's true wouldn't the 'results' I got mean the PSU is degrading or something?
Ive a pretty good one (it's in my sig). But after all, not all PSU's are perfect. Silverstone is pretty good but well, sometimes a little design flaw wants some fun heh.
Ill try to get my Voltmeter and measure the Voltage under idle and load then. I dont hope it's the PSU as that does have quite an impact regarding rebuilding things:(.
Also my M2R makes a noise, but it's from around the CPU socket so eventually it's the CPU (which I don't think). Underload it barely makes noise, but idle it does make, and differing from the loading done at the moment the sound becomes different. I dont think this should be an issue. My old X800Pro did this, so did an older Epox sk754 board too. I heard this was just some component on a PCB not glued too well on it and starts to shake a fast, depending on the load.
Ill put a very last hand on the room cleansing before I start to test the things, though I hope Ill find the defect component very fast as I HATE to solve such things really.
One last remark, if it was my PSU, wouldn't it be more likely the PC would insta crash under load if the Voltage output becomes worse and worse? I mean, after all I actually used the same Voltages all the time, no matter what frequency. And from the first crash period, I only downlclocked 30Mhz, that wouldn't really lower Voltage/Ampere requirements by a significant number anyway (at same Voltage being applied it is).
That Silverstone model the STF06 was one of the Best PSU's available at the time and even Jonny Guru gave it a 9.5 and that was the last think I thought it would be ...but it was. Bad Power supply will definitely do that no power or not so good power in our systems means no worky worky properly!
A P.S.U going bad runs Hot & Cold just like women when its good its good when its bad well you know unpredictable and temperamental/
WTF!? So I just tested the PSU. Voltages were a little below spec, but AFAIK not super bad.
Anyway, I measure at idle. Pretty constant. Then load and it stays the same. Then after a few minutes I decide to test again and measure a lot less. 12V line almost hit 11V. And it's very very slowly getting less and less. At idle it rose a little again, but it rose a lot less then it actually dropped... wtf?
[EDIT]BIOS and Everest read higher Voltages though. I know software and BIOS could be wrong and a multimeter is pretty solid although this isnt an A-Branded multimeter
[EDIT #2]I just thought of this, the PSU could have been like this from the start. So no guideline to tell if it's PSU related yet although Ive to admit the measurements I did were quite strange though. I just put the CPU into the DQ6, 2x1GB and a 3870. Let it priming... THough I :banana::banana::banana::banana:'n miss the nice power butons on the mobo like the M2R has... Oh well.
I measured again with the multimeter and got the same values, although the DQ6 BIOS read more or less the same Voltage as the M2R... Right lol. However, as far as I know, the CPU is already priming longer on the original OC than on the DFI board with 11.12V measured on 12V line from the multimeter.
On the M2R I had of course a second 3870, 4x1GB total and another Raptor but well, Voltage is the same anyway. Ill let it prime longer of course but thus far the M2R looks like to be the bad boy.
Note to self: Look where you walk next time, almost stepped on top of my M2R+3870 on the ground lol.
Aha ok. :)
Same here, tried 2.9/2.2GHZ at 1.4/1.35V ran everest stability test for an hour, tried a few applications before (including sandra benches) then i ran prime95 over night (65°C core temps in the morning).
Stopped prime95 and ran sandra latency test again and voila the system froze. Never had this random freezings with my 9600BE but that one did not like voltages.
Seems i just had luck with my 9600BE.
EDIT:
3070GHz/2456GHz at 1.525/1.5V system froze short after saving the screenshot.
http://www.abload.de/thumb/wprime2w9q.jpg
Odin does odd power readings. With that PSU i had up to 480W DC power consumption. Replaced that PSU with an ZM850-HP and now i get a maximum of ~330W AC.
Well, definitely puzzling behavior on my system as well. Got home last night, the 9850 BE was delivered yesterday. Removed the 5000BE, popped in the 9850, system booted right up. Rebooted, set the multi to 15 (x200) and it started no problem (@1.4v). Am water cooled, so temps never exceed 35 or so (assuming its somewhat accurate).
Ran Orthos for about an hour, no problem. Played Hellgate for about a hour, not problems.
Woke up this morning, booted, and BANG BSODs left and right. Did Safe mode, BSOD. Did normal boot. Hung. Then boosted NB-CPU volts (107% setting), started right up, went to start Everest, BANG crash. Rebooted, now running fine.... :confused:
Using the 307 beta bios, had great luck with it.
Yeah, your scores are very low for your MHz. As if you've got big stability problems, that's why they occur - I had them on all Phenoms incl. 9850 if I push past 3070. Your CPU is benching 2800/2300 performance at 3000 settings. You might get more perf. with added voltage, that's lower than B3 perf for those clocks, so it should help. Same thing as mine with idle instability though - can get 3069 fully stable load but not stable idling. Vcore 1.2v boots 2.8G and 1.3v boots 3G into Windows, benches but will fail load/idle stability. 3100 1.4v runs EVEREST fine, does not run AOD stress test fine though. 3077 fails, 3069 is max load stable in everything not just one app, even in games, but still unstable for day in day out use.
The amount of random lockups I've had and the number of PMs/posts/emails I've lost.. only I can really know how depressing :(
:D
just optimized a little...
and new pi1m :banana:
sorry for that much pictures..
There ya go Oli:clap: Finally lets see what my old chip can really do:cool:
Give it to em Lefty:slapass: :D
i need a 2gb set :(
I'll buy one when my old processor is sold...
Wanna get on my FLEX 9200 before I sell them? I'll make you the offer first before I list them for sale.:)
oh boy you're scaring me.. hottest ram on earth.. how much including shipping??
edit: temps:
Hi guys.
Today, when booted Vista, instability returned, same config as last night, nothing was changed, I tough it was one of this no no days. Well if it don't want to go 3100, maybe it want 3200 :rolleyes: , after some more volts, up where, down there, I manage boot 3200, check Everest, CPU-Z, etc, but when opening iexplorer, lookup again, never booted again, so loaded 3100 profile, and... were I am.:p:
HT=2.2 in bios does not work, always 2.0 in windows, I had the option in AOD to go up to 2.2(x11) but sytem frozed.
Run some 3DMark06 bench, this time I had PCIe=124:
OVERALL=16256; CPU=4252; SM2.0=6280; SM3.0=8072
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5...6263sh7.th.jpg