ASUS Maximus II Formula - new P45 king?

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01-22-2009, 07:14 PM
CryptiK

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Originally Posted by Evil_AnAnAs

Hi, just bought this card for 100€ to break some WR with some p4 cpus. Can I use setFSB with this card? have been looking a long time for the clockgenerator but I can't find it. And If someone could give me a link to a page that could help med understand the settings with skew, like the cpu clock skew.

The clock gen is either ICS9LPRS918BKL or ICS9LPRS918JKLF, have a look at the chip that is half covered by the NB heatsink to the left of the NB itself, if you get the right angle you can read the number off it without having to remove anything.

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Originally Posted by radaja

thanks cryptik,i hope i get one of those gems.what was the vid on your chip?is it one of the lower vids(the ones that run hot)?

No strangely my chip is 1.25 VID but runs way hotter than other 1.25 VID chips I have seen, in fact its significantly hotter than my 1.225 VID chip so not sure what's going on there.

It's a bit irritating when a lapped true with mx-2, a solid mount and good fan can't keep up with cooling a dual core.
01-22-2009, 07:28 PM
radaja

yea that is strange.maybe its just one of those prima donna chips that was born to be watercooled
01-22-2009, 07:55 PM
CryptiK

Yeah seems like it. It appears to be about as hot as 1.1875 - 1.20 VID chips, I didn't think it would be this hot when i saw it was a 1.25 VID. Also it hit 77*C in about 5 seconds after starting IBT so it would have climbed higher if I'd left it running perhaps 80*C or more.

Watercooling concerns me though so I think I will be staying with high end air, I'd only gain ~10*C going to water anyway, and when I weigh up the expense & risk vs benefits it's just not worth it to me at this stage.
01-22-2009, 08:11 PM
radaja

yep.same thoughts here,with my airconditioned air i dont think i would gain very much either.and like you ,WC scares me.i dont think i could forgive myself if something bad happened.too many things to go wrong.although some of the shots of the insides of peoples cases that WC look awesome(like nugzo's).oh well.also my first e8400 i couldnt run IBT cause of that same problem with heat,after 5 seconds it was nearing 70c.
01-22-2009, 08:22 PM
CryptiK

Yeah one of my mates tells me watercooling is safe if done properly, with almost no chance of a leak or pump failure. I just don't like the fact that if something does go wrong, the chance of everything getting bricked is very high. Especially in a case like mine or yours with the PSU at the bottom, a leak would almost certainly take out the entire system, and if the pump failed when you weren't around I'd hate to see the temps things would get up to.

Watercooled systems really do look the part, and have far superior cooling ability than air, but it still concerns me, a lot. I am going to look into it more as I think I need to better educate myself about it before deciding, but from what i know, the tubes are about 2mm thick, you can get high quality clamps, the pressure in the system is pretty low, and you can get good quality pumps & blocks etc so I can see if done properly it could be safe, but I think it would be hard for me to feel comfortable using it. I'd probably spend minutes checking for leaks before each time I powered on, and every 10 minutes I was using the system :rofl:
01-22-2009, 08:29 PM
radaja

I never even thought about the psu being on the bottom,for some reason in my head i just pictured coolant leaking all over the board and seeping into all the nooks and cracks as if it were laying flat.but thats even more frightening coolant getting to the psu and just frying everything.
01-23-2009, 12:03 AM
al-

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Originally Posted by radaja

I never even thought about the psu being on the bottom,for some reason in my head i just pictured coolant leaking all over the board and seeping into all the nooks and cracks as if it were laying flat.but thats even more frightening coolant getting to the psu and just frying everything.

Whenever I think about water-cooling, I have this image of finding a puddle of coolant underneath my PC, on my wall-to-wall carpet :ROTF:
01-23-2009, 12:27 AM
Kayso

Finally with Simps HowTo, I was able to make my Q9450 stable for 24/7 work. Now Prime95 is testing at home, so I will post screens later, but here are my settings:

Code:

Processor: Q9450 Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual OC From CPU Level Up: Auto Ratio CMOS Setting: 8 FSB Frequency: 480 CPU Clock Skew: Auto (for now) NB Clock Skew: Auto (for now) FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333 DRAM Frequency: DDR2-960MHz DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto (for now) DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto (for now) DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto (for now) DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto (for now) DRAM Timing Control: Manual 1st Information: CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks RAS# to RAS# Delay: 3 Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks Write Recovery Time: 6 Read to Precharge Time: 3 2nd Information: Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto Write to Read Delay (S): Auto Write to Read Delay (D): Auto Read to Read Delay (S): Auto Read to Read Delay (D): Auto Write to Write Delay (S): Auto Write to Write Delay (D): Auto 3rd Information: Write to PRE Delay: Auto Read to PRE Delay: Auto PRE to PRE Delay: Auto All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto All PRE to REF Delay: Auto DRAM Static Read Control: Auto DRAM Read Training: Auto MEM. OC Charger: Auto Ai Clock Twister: Stronger Ai Transaction Booster: Manual Common Performance Level: 10 Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled PCIE Frequency: 101 CPU Voltage: 1.250 CPU PLL Voltage: 1.55 FSB Termination Voltage: 1.36 DRAM Voltage: 2.19 North Bridge Voltage: 1.45 South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50 South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10 CPU GTL Reference (0): -55mv CPU GTL Reference (1): -10mv CPU GTL Reference (2): -55mv CPU GTL Reference (3): -10mv NB GTL Reference: +60mv DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: +12.5 DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: +12.5 North Bridge DDR Reference: -25 CPU Configuration: Ratio CMOS Setting: 8 C1E Support: Disabled Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled CPU TM Function: Disabled Execute Disable Bit: Disabled Load-Line Calibration: Enabled CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

Temp doesn't go over 65-66C and for now I'm pretty happy with it.
Unfortunatelly my memory doesn't boot at lower PL, no matter what I do. It just freez on DET_RAM and doesn't show boot screen at all. :(

And a question to Simps - how do you set GTL's to 00 ??? I don't have 00 as an option ?
01-23-2009, 12:51 AM
xoldboyx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kayso

Finally with Simps HowTo, I was able to make my Q9450 stable for 24/7 work. Now Prime95 is testing at home, so I will post screens later, but here are my settings:

Code:

Processor: Q9450 Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual OC From CPU Level Up: Auto Ratio CMOS Setting: 8 FSB Frequency: 480 CPU Clock Skew: Auto (for now) NB Clock Skew: Auto (for now) FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333 DRAM Frequency: DDR2-960MHz DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto (for now) DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto (for now) DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto (for now) DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto (for now) DRAM Timing Control: Manual 1st Information: CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks RAS# to RAS# Delay: 3 Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks Write Recovery Time: 6 Read to Precharge Time: 3 2nd Information: Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto Write to Read Delay (S): Auto Write to Read Delay (D): Auto Read to Read Delay (S): Auto Read to Read Delay (D): Auto Write to Write Delay (S): Auto Write to Write Delay (D): Auto 3rd Information: Write to PRE Delay: Auto Read to PRE Delay: Auto PRE to PRE Delay: Auto All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto All PRE to REF Delay: Auto DRAM Static Read Control: Auto DRAM Read Training: Auto MEM. OC Charger: Auto Ai Clock Twister: Stronger Ai Transaction Booster: Manual Common Performance Level: 10 Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled PCIE Frequency: 101 CPU Voltage: 1.250 CPU PLL Voltage: 1.55 FSB Termination Voltage: 1.36 DRAM Voltage: 2.19 North Bridge Voltage: 1.45 South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50 South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10 CPU GTL Reference (0): -55mv CPU GTL Reference (1): -10mv CPU GTL Reference (2): -55mv CPU GTL Reference (3): -10mv NB GTL Reference: +60mv DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: +12.5 DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: +12.5 North Bridge DDR Reference: -25 CPU Configuration: Ratio CMOS Setting: 8 C1E Support: Disabled Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled CPU TM Function: Disabled Execute Disable Bit: Disabled Load-Line Calibration: Enabled CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

Temp doesn't go over 65-66C and for now I'm pretty happy with it.
Unfortunatelly my memory doesn't boot at lower PL, no matter what I do. It just freez on DET_RAM and doesn't show boot screen at all. :(

How about 3dmark06?What score do u have?
01-23-2009, 01:30 AM
Kayso

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Originally Posted by xoldboyx

How about 3dmark06?What score do u have?

Here is your result and a shot:
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/3...rk06xi6.th.jpg

btw. How do you manage to start your Corsairs at 1100 Mhz ? Any advices ? And how do you keep DRAM Static Read Control, DRAM Read Training and MEM. OC Charger, because when I put sumething else than Auto, always end with a blue screen ?!?
01-23-2009, 03:55 AM
Grnfinger

Quote:

Originally Posted by CryptiK

Yeah one of my mates tells me watercooling is safe if done properly, with almost no chance of a leak or pump failure. I just don't like the fact that if something does go wrong, the chance of everything getting bricked is very high. Especially in a case like mine or yours with the PSU at the bottom, a leak would almost certainly take out the entire system, and if the pump failed when you weren't around I'd hate to see the temps things would get up to.

Watercooled systems really do look the part, and have far superior cooling ability than air, but it still concerns me, a lot. I am going to look into it more as I think I need to better educate myself about it before deciding, but from what i know, the tubes are about 2mm thick, you can get high quality clamps, the pressure in the system is pretty low, and you can get good quality pumps & blocks etc so I can see if done properly it could be safe, but I think it would be hard for me to feel comfortable using it. I'd probably spend minutes checking for leaks before each time I powered on, and every 10 minutes I was using the system :rofl:

Distilled water will not conduct electricity.
I had a leak once, my NB clamp was loose and coolant leaked all over the 3870X2 and my Sound Blaster, all was fine after everything was properly dry.
Water cooling is far superior and if done properly is totally safe. Plus its alot of fun
01-23-2009, 04:43 AM
CryptiK

Yes I had read about using distilled water. That's the reason they use distilled water in lead/acid batteries. Still, when there are leaks using distilled water it causes issues so it appears to be somewhat conductive soon as it touches the mobo or graphics card etc? Safer than normal water though.

Well I have posted on Asus forums about the Phase pull-in issue. I tried to submit a query to the technical support but the submission form is (surprise surprise) not working. I cannot select product type or product model the drop down boxes do not open.

You can see my post here:

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Formula&page=1

Hopefully someone (if anyone here is a member there) can submit the problem to them on my behalf, we need this addressed ASAP.
01-23-2009, 05:13 AM
seban

Water cooling is one of those things were benefit of having one is nowhere near of risk / cost / effort put into it (for me ofc :) - chicken :D)

I relay prefer to buy cherry picked CPU and play with it then play with OC then play with WC and eventually loose - most important time on setting up machine and OC rather then even money itself - i just dont have time anymore to waste.

BTW for ppl who has random reboots. In the end cause for them was SB voltage, which one exactly I dont know i bumped both to 1.2 and 1.55 following advice of Simps as I run both PCI higher then 100 and got 4HDDs and a lot of stuff connected to MB.

About my connection issue it looks like it was crapy version of downloader - installed new version and problems seems to be gone.

This weekend I will try go higher then my sig as CPU can do it easily - mobo is holding me back.
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Originally Posted by Kayso

Don't know, I didn't tested. I will and post screens.

btw. How do you manage to start your Corsairs at 1100 Mhz ? Any advices ? And how do you keep DRAM Static Read Control, DRAM Read Training and MEM. OC Charger, because when I put sumething else than Auto, always end with a blue screen ?!?

What version of those Dominators u got? u will have it on sticker on HS.

If 1.x then they should clock easily If 2.x then your current clock might be your reality (at least this is what i read about them - no personal experience as I got 1.x).

Anyway you can up voltage on them for 1100 to 2.1+ (mine are working 2.15 as in singature - but passing test no problem 1160 PL8 on same settings - did not try higher)

You might need to adjust NBGtl ref or bumb NG voltage to do PL8 - just a thought (but on your cloks it seems that you have more then enough juce on NB tho I would try NBGTL ref)

You can find my settings for RAM (which are copy of some Grnfinger's settings for ram in the thread just look for my posts)
01-23-2009, 05:49 AM
radaja

cryptik,i just submitted a technical support inqury for this issue.maybe if enough people submit this same issue,it might get the ball rolling.
01-23-2009, 05:52 AM
CryptiK

Great thank you very much for that. I just tried again but the form is still not working for me.

Hopefully we can get this resolved. Functional pull-ins would be very nice indeed.

**EDIT - ok I have submitted my technical support inquiry. I hope this goes somewhere, I will continue to push them to resolve this issue if they try to brush it off or claim the pull-ins work. We all know they don't work, as we have all tested them rigorously. I have tested every released BIOS edition and they do not work in any of the BIOSes.
01-23-2009, 09:07 AM
dawdaw

I'll send them a query about Pull-ins, just them me how and i follow:)
01-23-2009, 09:24 AM
CryptiK

You go here: http://support.asus.com/techserv/tec...Language=en-us

and choose the maximus II formula and then fill out the form and submit it. I think you have to be a member first though, so sign up first, then do the form if that is the case.

Go here to sign up: http://member.asus.com/login.aspx?SLanguage=en-us

Thanks, the more people we get hassling them about this problem the better :)
01-23-2009, 09:36 AM
Kayso

Quote:

Originally Posted by seban

What version of those Dominators u got? u will have it on sticker on HS.

If 1.x then they should clock easily If 2.x then your current clock might be your reality (at least this is what i read about them - no personal experience as I got 1.x).

Anyway you can up voltage on them for 1100 to 2.1+ (mine are working 2.15 as in singature - but passing test no problem 1160 PL8 on same settings - did not try higher)

You might need to adjust NBGtl ref or bumb NG voltage to do PL8 - just a thought (but on your cloks it seems that you have more then enough juce on NB tho I would try NBGTL ref)

You can find my settings for RAM (which are copy of some Grnfinger's settings for ram in the thread just look for my posts)

I'm with v 1.1, so you say they have to be good. I will do some more test, but they can't boot at PL8 at all, neither on PL9 :(
01-23-2009, 09:48 AM
6apa

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Originally Posted by screwtech02

I forgot about that issue CryptiK, i will check out my settings, i have been bumping different volts, so that is probably exactly what the issue is....:cool:

Hi. What s your Mobo OC settings? My Q6600 running 3,2GHz max:(
My english no good Sorry.:)
01-23-2009, 10:01 AM
screwtech02

Well, getting any type of response from these guys is gonna take a while....:shakes:

Dear Valued Customer,:

Due to the traditional Chinese New Year, the online technique support service will be suspending for a period from Jan. 24th, 18:00 to Feb. 1st, 9:00(GMT+8)。
During this period, you can still send your mails to us and our system will record them.We will come back to work at 9:00 on Feb 1st and will give you a reply as soon as possible. Please wait with patience!
Thank you for your understanding! And sorry for the inconvenience！
Here we also wish you a nice new year and hope that everything is going well over there. Thank you!

Best regards!
ASUS Customer Service Center
01-23-2009, 10:11 AM
CryptiK

Yeah I hope they get to it when they get back from partying it up. It says that if it has not been replied to in 48 hours it will automatically be raised to 'urgent' status.

I'll keep at it though, the fact the pull-ins never worked at all is just ridiculous, and every time I see them in the BIOS it annoys me.
01-23-2009, 10:30 AM
Grnfinger

Quote:

Originally Posted by screwtech02

Well, getting any type of response from these guys is gonna take a while....:shakes:

Dear Valued Customer,:

Due to the traditional Chinese New Year, the online technique support service will be suspending for a period from Jan. 24th, 18:00 to Feb. 1st, 9:00(GMT+8)。
During this period, you can still send your mails to us and our system will record them.We will come back to work at 9:00 on Feb 1st and will give you a reply as soon as possible. Please wait with patience!
Thank you for your understanding! And sorry for the inconvenience！
Here we also wish you a nice new year and hope that everything is going well over there. Thank you!

Best regards!
ASUS Customer Service Center

:rofl:
Atleast Asus is consistant

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kayso

I'm with v 1.1, so you say they have to be good. I will do some more test, but they can't boot at PL8 at all, neither on PL9 :(

I have a kit of Dominators that are ver 1.1 and they are sweet sticks, they will boot and are stable at 1200MHz PL7 on the MAximus Formula X38, and Rampage X48, but will not boot at 1200MHz on the Maximus II at PL 8,9 or 10, its very frustrating.
Have yet to find timings that will allow them to boot @ 1200MHz
01-23-2009, 01:37 PM
JoeBar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grnfinger

Water cooling is far superior and if done properly is totally safe. Plus its alot of fun

QFT... :up:
01-23-2009, 01:47 PM
Eeky NoX

Quote:

Originally Posted by CryptiK

Yeah I hope they get to it when they get back from partying it up. It says that if it has not been replied to in 48 hours it will automatically be raised to 'urgent' status.

I'll keep at it though, the fact the pull-ins never worked at all is just ridiculous, and every time I see them in the BIOS it annoys me.

Sorry I'm a bit late :D

This begining of year has been so busy with new hardware, that I left until page 83

So gat to know if you've updated to another bios than this 1307 to gat what you have now ?

Some members clocked any E8600 on air wit it like me ? Curious to know how much they achieve ^^

I'll work again on this board in a few days before getting an UD3P :cool:

THX Cryptik
01-23-2009, 04:46 PM
CryptiK

Lucky you getting to play with new hardware :) I'm still on BIOS 1307, the new BIOSes don't add anything unless you are a quad user or your current ram isn't compatible and there was some issue with dual VGA cards they fixed, so I have no reason to upgrade.

Your e8600 is flying, nice work on that, what are your temps like because I cant use 4.3 & 1.336v without going over ~80*C on load with my current chip. I haven't seen anyone else using an e8600. I was going to get one but after looking everywhere I couldn't find any Q822A435's, maybe you can send me one :D

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