New World Record? :ROTF: Where have you been? 6.3 is the World Record. Remember Team Finland & AMD? Theres videos out with them hitting 6.3Ghz.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
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New World Record? :ROTF: Where have you been? 6.3 is the World Record. Remember Team Finland & AMD? Theres videos out with them hitting 6.3Ghz.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
Notice the motherboard used again.
Might be our new champ.
Its a new world record allrite the mb used is a 790FX not a 790GX.. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Throwed
Does it exist a WR for each chipset?:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
However, IMO it should exist a decent picture (or a reasonably steady video recording) of the cpuz tab, or a validation, if it's supposed to be called a WR. If that kind of stuff exist for the 6.3ghz-session, then allright.
I think a new world record for PHII overclocking will be set CES 2009 when AMD will attempt to use Liquid Helium (-269°C) to cool down the Phenom II and clock beyond that 6.3Ghz mark (Source MADSHRIMPS Phenom scaling article).:)
I expect PHII to hit 7ghz at ces09 (Hopefully) :D.
SaaaWeeet!Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaber
I have been involved in high end tube audio design for over 25 years. Many component effects were verified by blind testing when no one had any technical justification. Selection of components with specific characteristics can make an obvious difference, but the science to explain those differences is sometimes hard to find. Audio cabling is one area where some work has been done - copper stranded wire develops surface oxides which can have diode effects, which cause nonlinear transmission. Creating speaker cables from wire wrap (which are silver coated and gas tight) virtually eliminates those effects. You will see cables made with multiple gauge wire, transmission line designs, and other exotic stuff, each with advocates and some science. This is mostly art, but hand-selected parts put together with rules that are part witchcraft can still produce results that are clearly superior, even if the makers don't know exactly why.Quote:
Originally Posted by accord99
In multisocket servers, AMD has shown superior performance in virtualization, many database applications and in some web serving, even though Intel wins on benchmarks. Look at the differences in Nehalem versus previous Intel hardware - Intel did not reduce the L2 cache by a factor of 10, or add on-die memory control, just for fun. They did it to be more competitive.
If a majority of large sample of users feel that some combination of AMD components produce a 'smoother' gaming experience, there are probably technical reasons for that. It is probably also dependent on the game engine and a ton of other parameters that are not well controlled, because users don't know what to control. A group of disciplined (and unbiased) amateurs could probably get to a better understanding of why that is true, but it would take a good sample of different systems, and some thought about what to test. This kind of forum could be a place to do that, if the testing group gets away from thinking they know the answer, and just follows the data.
would be nice to test it, we made another thread for it too. if we can find some unbiased testers and find a good testing method it would be nice but at this point we can't think of a good testing method and no matter what people come up with intel users will say that it is biased and won't work. so it would be nice to find some unbiased people willing to give it a test.
duplicated for some reason - original is above
I recall seeing 1800HT and usually something like 800-1200 HT when going for 4ghz but just Figured i'd share my 4ghz cpuz anyway since i just got around to verifying
Theres been some with up to 2667 nb / hypertransport with 3.8 to 4.2 core clock.
I think just not everyone's willing to test the limits of the chip since they don't wanna risk any issues.
well on NB i've hit 2742 i think, HT is just limited by NB speed, but if using cold on the chips or going for uber high clocks you have to set HT to 1ghz, hench the records being at 800-1200 HT speed.
:rolleyes: except for the fact that liquid helium sucks at removing heat and such a cooling system will be way too sophisticated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaber
but above all, beyond the -200 °C mark most electronics will fail to function the way they should. you need to stay above a certain temperature threshold.
While liquid helium cooling is not for amateurs, it is possible to make large capacity coolers. The usual technique is to use a sealed system where the helium is always in a liquid state. LN2 is sometimes used in a dual dewar setup to reduce heat loss from the inner dewar. LN2 may also be used in the cooling stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by biohead
This works like any refrigeration system - the closed loop system would need to provide adequate flow to cool 150W or so.
Both electron and hole mobility in silicon actually increase with decreasing temperature down to very low levels - both go up by a factor of 10 between 300K and 70K. This appears to be linear - there is no 'wall' at -200C, and it is just a question of where things get sufficiently far away from design parameters to quit working. I would assume that a part that works well at -190C would work at lower temperatures, and only experimentation would show where the degradation becomes significant. Silicon is not a superconductor at any temperature, with any doping levels used in semiconductor design.
And there is a fair amount of work on large scale liquid helium cooling at the University of Texas at Austin, so it seems possible that this could be a workable stunt.
references:
Centre national de la recherche scientifique
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=1809679
Forced flow cooling at liquid helium temperature
Résumé / Abstract
Single phase helium at supercritical pressure is often used as refrigerant for super conducting components. At forced flow conditions it enables high heat transfer rates and it prevents the difficult conditions of a two phase flow. The advantageous flow conditions are paid with a considerably reduced capacity of the refrigerant since only the sensitive heat and not the evaporation heat is used.
Electrical Properties of Silicon - mobility versus temperature for different doping levels
http://www.ioffe.rssi.ru/SVA/NSM/Sem.../electric.html
CERN 1.4KG/S helium cryopump
http://www.barber-nichols.com/pdf/at..._pump_test.pdf
http://valid.canardpc.com/records.php
Just have to smile at those 5.5ghz core I7 records there when the 6.3 phenom IIs are there in view.
yea but they aren't day to day clocks. it doesn't seem like i7 gets that great of a bonus from extreme cooling. once deneb comes out and we see what the average oc is that will decide it. not just the maximum overclock. only 4 more days.Quote:
Originally Posted by iocedmyself
well of course they aren't day to day clocks which is kind of my point, the glass cieling for i7 is 800mhz below phenom II (thus far anyway) I7 has trouble hitting anything past 3.6 on air as has been shown by several reviews, at least one posted in this thread. While Deneb routinely seems to hit 3.9-4.1 on air, someone here had hit 5.6 or 5.7 with cold which isn't far off from record.
Though i think it has less to do with i7's not benifiting much from cold and more to do with they run so hot to begin with that there isn't much headroom
So keep meaning to repost that, memory running at 570 (1140) 5-5-5-5-18 ganged, also running a single thread at 3.8 scaled almost liniarly taking 39.922 compared to 4 threads at 10.25
4ghz is possible with air on Ci7 with HT off, just look in the Ci7 ocing thread. The only problem are temps with HT on and they depend strongly on voltges.Quote:
Originally Posted by iocedmyself
It make a huge difference if HT is enabled or disabled, disabling HT reduces temps for ~10-15°C
3.8ghz is no problem on air for most Ci7 with HT on and a good aircooler such as a TRUE or a Noctua U12P. Everything above is still possible but temps get in the critical range 90°C+ so WC is recommended or disable HT. :yepp:
Thanks for the HT tip i had no idea. We are right now on 3.6 Ghz with ULTRA 120 and the temp is stable at low 80's. We had tried to give it a boost at 4ghz and it went BSOD on us. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
We did try 3.8ghz for about a week but the temps were really really high and there is always a risk that the summer sun would kill this perfect clock once summer comes around due to rise in Ambiance temp. Now i will try it again with HT off and report back.
Yeah HT is a real power hog. :D
But imho its worth it, i can get done ~33% more WUs at the same clock. And i know you feeling about temps, i also stoped at 3,6ghz with ~70°C (23°C ambient) cause in summer temps will raise for sure (33°C ambient still should stay around 80°C )
Sry for off-topic guys, just wanted to say that.
i7's limit is heat 3.6 is the stopping point essentially to keep the heat down, obviously if they both played to the tune of supernova heat 90*c+ then obviously we'd be able to push more out of the phenom II aswell.
But keeping the same heat envelope of ~ 60*c the i7 can reach 3.6 and deneb well we don't know yeat really but I'm gonna guess 4.0-4.2.
It's so off-topic, but I cannot resist to answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
The whole point/advantage with Nehalem is HT!!!
Turning this off means a "fat Yorkie" (regarding die size). Huge price for same performance!
I would *never* consider this chip if it wasn't for HT and the corresponding *huge* increase in multitasking use/benches.
The "high" temps is no issue in daily use (mostly idle) and for gaming(not using multi-cores/HT).
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==
I'm sure that's been seen by most here but still will link it (possibly again)
and right after i started writing this hornet kinda made my point for me with the 70c load in 23c ambient. Really not trying to start a flame war here, but lets be honest...hyper threading...cpu temps you can fry an egg on, this sound like oh i dunno...maybe the p4 reincarnite? :p:
4ghz on air may be possible..on some chips in cool ambient temps but by no means is the norm i would think. Aside from that it's basically saying, "i7 bring back hyperthreading with clock speeds of 4ghz with air cooling! (so long as hyperthreading is disabled in most cases unless you dont mind your computer doubling as a space heater) Really, come on.
I'm not knocking the performance i'm just being objective here. I'm in a 24c ambient with Deneb clocked at 4.1 @ 1.55v atm as i'm working on XP clocks and it idles at 29-31c load temps haven't peeked above 43c running prime torture test. USing a duOrb cooler. So I7 getting a 10-15c drop down from 90c still equates to....dissapointingly hot IMHO.
At any rate to each his own. As many have pointed out phenom II's are a half step on the way to 6 core chips, and even at $300 for an early purchase of a 3ghz 940 PII chip that would hit 4ghz on air and needing nothing else for an upgrade i think will be more appealing.
60c for Denebs maybe if you have it heavily overvolted or box cooler under long and heavy loads, but really don't think so in many real world scenarios. I had the same cooler on my 9850 BE phenom and that idled usually at 45c with loads creeping up past 60c, in the same room, same case same ambient temps even at stock speeds. Many many times did that cut out to a BSOD from overheating when it would go past 65c. And i know full well how to properly apply a heatsink and AS5 if it's crossing anyones mind to question that. :p: I've seen this chip go up to 51-52c when ambient has been raised and i had voltage at....less then safe levels ;) Keeping in mind i have an ES chip, retail chips will have been tweaked and cleaned up a bit more so there is possibility that off the shelf chips will be able to get pushed further, and i should have a couple to play around with sometime soon, am trying to convince someone to let me fiddle with their 920 retail chip.
That's a wrong summation; Ci7 can take heat more than Deneb, it's by design. Your Deneb won't overclock a damn if your core voltages reach anywhere near Ci7. As you guys would find out soon enough: Deneb needs to be kept cold in order to reach the 3.6, 3.8 Ghz range. A 60C t5emp may be the limit for Deneb, but it's certainly not the case for Ci7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caveman787
Zucker....
As always the AMD downer pill....
I would think most people wouldn't want to run their processor's 70*c+. Why because theey're likely to run into heat build up problem's and possible overheating of other component's.
Or as the case of some out there frying alive in thier houses :rofl:
Sound like fun to you? then enjoy!
The fact is still that keeping either within sensible temps deneb will clock a few mhz higher and that's just on air.
Ahh... that's the beauty of C2Q, it will overclock crazy and stay cool while on average giving higher ICP then PII.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caveman787
I still think deneb fully overclocked with overclocked nb/hypertransport will have a chance of being equal or a little faster then c2q.
Got phenom 1.
Crash is @ 84 C.
Orthos can run 24H at temperatures of 76, so no issue there, the limit is clearly not 60's.
Temperature decreases the max clock, there is no shock there, if you can run 4.2 ghz on air the first 10 minutes with orthos @ 60's but then goes over 70 and fail, you can probaly run 4-4,1 somewhere, easy as that.
Athlon x2's stop at 71 for my windsor 5600+ and the 5000+ brisbane stopped at 69.
according to their temp sensors.
My pentium 4 70 C idle and load, just no diffrence, and it died after a year, stock cooler, all stock settings.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caveman787
zucker has a point, ever ran prime @ stock with stock cooling on a Ci7?
Temps get into the mid 80s. :D
Is it bad? Well that depends Ci7 only shows the worse temps on the whole core, there are several DTS in each Ci7 core and the worse temp is given out as Core temp.
I dont know how Phenom or Phenom2 handels that, if they have diodes at every hotspot as Ci7 does. If not you cant compare temps between Phenom and Ci7.
For my personal likeing i also dislike everything above 80°C, so i try to stay under this point.
you forget on little thing -> if you clock a C2D you also increase the clock of the 2nd lvl cache and 2nd >>>> 3rd level cache. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Caveman787
Yes zucker good summation, i7's kinda said "power efficiency....with performance....forget that, that's just greedy talk!"
No matter what the benchmarks may show on i7, truth is that it's still very far from perfected, the thermal envelope should be enough to show that fact. However, deneb can take alot more volts then I7 from what i've seen.
http://hothardware.com/Articles/Over...cessor/?page=5
While i've already shown that you can do 3.2 at 1.0875 on deneb (where as i7 takes 1.13 for 2.6) though you can actually go lower. keep in mind that that 3.8 i7 runs at around 1.37v.....and still gets that hot...and still has that high of power consumption. The link above shows 100-114w increase with cpu under load over idle. 316-368 between 3 and 4ghz with load. Phenom II load power consumption is below to I7's idle.
Denebs have a kill temp of 60 or 65c this is true, but as caveman pointed out, who the hell wants to run their chip at 70c if it can be avoided.
You cant compare voltages from a AMD chip with those of a Intel chip.Quote:
Originally Posted by iocedmyself
Intel uses High K and AMD low k SOI. And there are many more differences. Chips can be designed for low or high voltages. Same goes for temperatures. So you cant compare them 1:1.
I love how they can't be compared when it comes to intel losing any portion of the battle but they can be if intel comes out on top :rofl:
I wonder how C2Q would do?? Only reason I'm asking is because it appears that C2Q performs slightly faster then PII so it would make it a fair comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by iocedmyself
Ci7 is good if you are freezing....its like a fire place... it loves high temps :yepp: , i dont like have cpus that are 60c+ thats why i choice Phenom II instead of Ci7.... Maybe its dont clock high like the Ci7 with air and sucide screens...buts its looks its clocks very well under LN2 and are much cheaper than the Ci7 if you buying all the parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Seriously guys!
Are you really believing "temps" (*numbers*) reported by software?
Supposedly "measured" by some hardware within the core(s)?
I have several K8's that shows 5-10 degrees idle, and 30-40 full load (depending on clocks/volts).
I have had numerous Intel CPU's (P4, C2D, C2Q...) that shows completely different "numbers" between similar models/revisions.
Even seen that upgrading Bios results in 20+ degrees differences.
The *ONLY* way to compare *true* temps are by hardware mods to the CPU (installing probes).
ONLY compare temps for CPU's from a given model/installation!
Please also remember that many are not that clever when it comes to mounting heatsinks (ecpecially on S775). :)
As long as the system shows no signs of instability absolute numbers ("temps") are guidelines for you system/OC/volts.
This said most people (including myself) wants to see low numbers. :)
Well....i'm somewhat confused....if you're trying to say that phenom ii doesn't clock high like I7...that's backwards,Quote:
Originally Posted by Lastviking
I personally already posted screenie a few pages back in this thread near 4.6. That's on air.
Official record on air for phenom II is 4.7
The world record for I7 with LN2 is 5.5
The world record for Phenom II is 6.3
Phenom II's clock higher than I7...no debate about that. They do it on air at about half the load temp, and no matter how you slice it system power consumption is a fraction of I7. :)
As far as chip temps go, i half agree, since thermal probe can clear that up, or IR thermometer at base of heatsink should be within a couple c of reported temp. It does depend on motherboard and whether or not the thermal probes got screwed up.
However, i will say again, that the reported temp is nothing near the INTERNAL tempatures at the hot spots which are usually 15-20c above anything accurately reported. Yes many are not savvy when it comes to installing heatsinks, but i would think that the majority of those that post in this forum can figure out how to mount a heatsink properly.
Regardless of software, bios is almost always accurate and shouldn't be much question as to validity if software reports similar temps. Bios, Asus AI, AOD, thermal probe and IR thermometer have ALL given temps within 1-2c of one another for me, and as far as I7 goes, again there is no debate on thier high temps.
No one is doubting they clock higher, the problem is the PhII's IPC. It's not as good as the i7, so higher clocks is the only way to get around that. In that sense, does that 800Mhz clock advantage even matter in the WR? And for the air OCs, are those sufficient to compete with 45 Q9's? Particularly if people already get 1:1 the same clocks?Quote:
Originally Posted by iocedmyself
Don't get me wrong - I want to return to being pure AMD, but that's tough if it's not even winning the IPC department anymore, and then only marginally winning in the air OCs. If we know AMD requires more clocks just to be competitive, then the small difference in max OCs is no longer a positive, just a necessity :(
*mind you I'm still keeping hope, but only my heart is. My head is saying stop being optimistic, and to wait for more data come Jan 8th.
Price may be the only thing that deneb has to fall on.
But if that's the case it won't likely draw people back from intel.
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles...738&cid=2&pg=5
Without hyper threading i7 is doing 15k at 3.86ghz in cinebench, 18k with hyper threading
Phenom II does around 14k at 3.3 or 3.4 i think it was in 64bit will have to switch over and bench again now that i have a fresh instill (still looking for 64bit Xp disk) But even so not a drastic lead
diehard intel fans will stick with intel, diehard amd fans will stick with amd.
The other 90% of the consumer market will be based on price/performance and performance per watt, In both of those categories i think it's looking like AMD has a commanding lead.
When it comes to server enviorments AMD will be quite competitive again, especially since system power consumption and temps are such a conern as well as price. When comparing single socket and dual socket configs, AMD had 230w total system consumption compared to intels 320w for single socket, and dual socket amd was at 540 while intel was 760 i believe, something close to that anyway.
But here again i have to point out that AM3 is really about 6 core istanbuls which are only a few months away where intel still needs to iron out their 4core chips. Deneb are a stepping stone, that just happen to be surprising everyone including AMD.
Intel already has a 6 core cpu ;) (dunnington)Quote:
Originally Posted by iocedmyself
Also dont forget the L versions of the xeons, thos little suckers are just insane when it comes to power consumption. Not even the new Shanghais can competent with those.
You've got the wrong review... that one was 32-bit. You should check the test setup.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by iocedmyself
For 64-bit this one http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...-965-review/10
according to amd engineers deneb can take a lot of heat. way more than what agena could.
Dont get me wrong here :)Quote:
Originally Posted by iocedmyself
Phenom II clocks higher on LN2 than Ci7(buts its looks its clocks very well under LN2 and are much cheaper than the Ci7 if you buying all the parts"this is ++ things for Phenom II)
Ci7 clocks high on air(Phenom II also but its looks like Ci7 is abit stronger here but not much, but it can be becuse of that not all can buy Phenom II yet)
You did say Phenom II have done 4.7 on air...the Ci7 920 have also done that and many is doing 4.6 on air.
Dont get me wrong... i love Phenom II but i dont like "Zucker2k" ;)
And one more thing 4.8 will soon be taken by air if i dont get a bad one :) (Phenom II 940BE)
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Awww, you're breaking my heart. :p: Can we keep personal feelings out of this thread? Anyway, I'm curious; why don't you like me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lastviking
might be because the thread topic is amd shanghai/deneb review thread not all out bash amd and everyone that runs amd without any logical thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Reminder: AMD(or Intel) section does not(or at least should not!) mean "Here AMD(or Intel) can suck as much as possible and get owned by Intel(or AMD) as much as possible without anyone disturbing and laughing at it!". :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
(Waiting for someone to misunderstand this post as flamebait and as AMD bashing! :rolleyes:)
ah didn't notice ghostbuster, but still not drastic difference in scores on I7 to justify the price, and still have difference of ddr3.
Yes roofsniper, Denebs were redesigned to diminish the internal hotspots allowing for greater heat tolerance.
Lastviking i find it hard to blieve that anyone has been able to push an i7, let alone the 2.66ghz 920 flavor to 4.6 on air unless someone has their box sitting outside in sub zero temps when 3.6-3.8ghz is already doing 80-90c. especially when LN2 record is 5.5ghz. Btw you will have to do better then 4.8 to beat me, that's why i said "offical world record";) Just not posting till i can get it on an FX board and at least prime or SuperPi stable. :p:
Yes intel has a 6core penryn....which really is a different thing then the i7
yea i understand but have you read his past posts? they make absolutely no sense and most of the time have nothing to do with the topic. i can't even recall if he has ever said anything positive about amd. most people aren't trolls but there are a handful that come here just to troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
yea i heard that the balanced the chip out a lot more so there aren't spots that get really hot and some that stay cool so it would allow for a higher overclock.Quote:
Originally Posted by iocedmyself
i7 can oc up to crazy clocks on air http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...splay.php?f=56 just look in the overclocking section, And does nobody think it might be possible that the temp probes in phenom2 might not be so good? Some crazy low temps being reported considering the volts and clocks and power used.
considering that they rebalanced the chip out and spread the heat around more plus its 45nm it might actually get lower temps. plus i know the new am3 one uses a different type of sensor. it could be possible that the temps are a little buggy right now but i wouldn't count on it. plus phenom II hasn't even been released yet and many are under nda after it is out for awhile i bet you we will be seeing crazy overclocks from many people. i7 has already been out for awhile.Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
I just don't get how it can use more volts and power but still be far cooler.
more volts but not power i think, comparing to i7.
it is but you can't really compare volts from chip to chip. i was expecting it to use less volts but as we can see it uses more and stays cooler. maybe its drawing less amps idk. but you can't really use the volts to compare how much power/heat it is consuming to different architectures.Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=212095Quote:
Originally Posted by iocedmyself
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=212762
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=212329
All over 4500mhz on air... yes one with litle help from outside but that one is not one of the best overclockers also :) , trust me. But he is learning.
I dont say Ci7 920 is the one to get... i´m only showing threads from it , and clocks. I dont like the heat that the Ci7 make...
Zucker2k: i think someone have pointed out the reason already for me :)
Some more Benches
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.co...d.php?t=311128
At stock perhaps, but the updated Hwbox review suggests Phenom II's power usage grows at a incredible rate when overclocked, to a point where it uses more power than an equally clocked i7 at 3.7GHz.Quote:
Originally Posted by sundancerx
This would explain why AMD couldn't break 4GHz on air cooling.
By interpreting elecrical values (resistance) to a numeric value that pleases the user.Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
This is the normal way to get coretemps 10-20 degrees (Celsius) below ambient.
:D
original hwbox numbers were all very strange - not sure they have any idea what they are doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by accord99
Intel added thermal envelope protection to i7 because of concern about local hot spots and all the big OC turn it off, because otherwise it shuts the chip down on 4 cores at around 3.5G. Intel also allows full parking of 2 cores to let the other 2 use the thermal capacity, which gives more headroom. The thermal envelope envelope is targeted at 130W.
Looking at screen shots here and on other forums, there seems to be no rapid increase in power on phenom II, at least up to about 4.2G clocks.
It is not reasonable to compare different architectures based on core voltage - power draw with voltage differs even among members of the same family. The best way is to instrument the VRM but that is not easily done. A method that is nearly as good is to use heat rise of a known heat sink. If you have a .1 C/W sink and show a 10C rise, that is a pretty good indicator that the load is 100W. I have several sinks with embedded thermistors at the base. With a controlled ambient air supply that method can be pretty accurate.
Until retail phenom II parts are available, I won't be able to test any by myself, but I will characterize one as soon as I can get it. I am expecting a significantly lower power envelope than i7.
Also, as several posters have pointed out, internal temps are higher than the heatsink contact, often 10C or more. Lower power levels reduce those hot spots - one of the reasons laptop CPUs may run 70C or 80C in 'normal' use. Still, I'm a lot happier with the measured heatsink interface at 50C or less.
how many times its been pointed out power=!voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by TL1000S
P (watts) = E(voltage) x I(current)
even if you have more voltage but significantly lesser current, power still lower.
research before posting. i believe the first leak ever about phenom II was when coolaler reached 4ghz on air and we have seen many others at 4.5ghz on air too. also if you would look at the chips of many people clocked here you would see that even at 3.7ghz it still stays pretty cool. look at all the screens charged and honda guy have posted. many people are reaching 3.5, 3.6ghz on stock volts too so it really isn't that power hungry. i have no clue where hwbox got all of their numbers from but the power consumption seems really far off compared to every other screen we have seen for phenom II so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by accord99
i think its premature to say ph2 can not break 4 ghz on air cooling. the same can be said about its power consumption when o/clock. not enough reviews to compare results.Quote:
Originally Posted by accord99
Umm I have nott seen these 4.5ghz on air for phenom II
If you can link to them that'd be nice because so far the highest I've seen on air is 4.2ghz.
Stop showing your ignorance! My God, how many times have you posted on this page alone! No two chips are the same. In any case, what was Coolaler's chip? ES. Maybe that's all you need to know. :rolleyes: Man, slow down!Quote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
i think that guy should put it on youtube. with i7 users hitting 80c+ on 3.7-3.8ghz i7, thats just hard to believe. well i maybe wrong, so...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lastviking
how am i showing my ignorance? im just saying about things that are completely obvious that everyone knows about. i think everyone knows about the coolaler on 4ghz and if its ignorant that im trying to point this out then i believe you don't know what the definition of ignorance is. and what do my posts have to do with anything? each time its something different its not like im double posting. your posts all look the same to me. and whats wrong with an ES? im just saying thats the first thing we saw there have been many that have done this without an ES. but maybe you just aren't "informed" about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Name calling is not the way to get a point accross. Slow down, take a deep breath, it usually helps before inserting a foot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Talking to him is like talking to a wall,no effect.But it's good you tried,maybe it works this time :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Raiderman
As for Deneb's power draw,I'm on the same page as iocedmyself,Uncle Jimbo and roofsniper. Deneb should draw noticeably less power at stock and still less power OCed/overvolted than i7 system.I'd expect overall that it will be equal/lower than Yorkfield systems if Deneb is paired with newest 790GX boards.
The only wall I see is you; at least that's how dumb you sound with your entrenched position. You can add your buddy, roofsniper to that list. I know it hurts, but this is hardware so get over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
woa woa chill out dude. just because your sad that intel isn't best at everything doesn't mean you have to get all angry about it. don't you remember when you said this earlier? or have you already forgotten? its pretty funny how people here are just pointing out the obvious and you get so angry about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
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Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Just ignore him guys ;).He will get bored and leave eventually :p:
yea hopefully its just he seems intent on derailing every amd thread there is.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Yeah he has done that before.Hopefully he gets bored this time :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
You know its funny, I come here to see latest on AMD and see lots about Intel which I give a rats A## about.NEVER see this stuff at PC Perspective,but then, there its political trolls in the Lightning Round.
Well Coolaler has access to alot of chips to pick the good ones. Nothing wrong with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Has Overclock_gr posted specs used for power consumption anywhere? SOmethin like a screenshot wit everest cpu-z aod and so on showing all the settings he used. They must have done such an screenshot, they spended so much time running all the benchmarks, would be sad if they missed that one. :shrug:
I beg to differ..My i7-965 runs at 3733mhz at 100% load 24/7 at 61C on air,TRUE and 87CFM 120x38mm fan since November solid with out a hiccup.Quote:
Originally Posted by iocedmyself
Runs SP1M at 4226 and Cinebench10 at 4005.
Not trying to derail the thread but wanted that comment set straight.
Isnt the I7-965 already at 3.2ghz?Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Maybe he was reffering to the i7-920.
Plus Movieman seems to forget the price premium for the unlocked 965EE system ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by Raiderman
PS I'm aware *some* i7 920s can hit north of 4Ghz but with a price of turning off SMT and dealing with huge load temps that make your case a mini nuclear plant ;)
Dave, be careful, stuff like this is bound to get you labeled real quick around here. Then again you're a mod so you may be spared. At least I know everytime I correct an impression or assumption, I've been quickly labeled. Just a warning. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Dude, relax. It's not that serious. I honestly don't understand why you aren't banned yet. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
what did he say that was wrong? i believe he said factual information that makes sense without flaming anyone for no reason at all. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Is this factual enough for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
Now go to the page and see the response. Hilarious; you'll see some familiar people and their responses.Quote:
That's a wrong summation; Ci7 can take heat more than Deneb, it's by design. Your Deneb won't overclock a damn if your core voltages reach anywhere near Ci7. As you guys would find out soon enough: Deneb needs to be kept cold in order to reach the 3.6, 3.8 Ghz range. A 60C t5emp may be the limit for Deneb, but it's certainly not the case for Ci7.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...209491&page=40
Did he post again?Quote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
I can't see them anymore - got tired of looking at the jackass ... :p:
(or whatever is pulling that third world transportation device)
thats not factual at all quoting your responses that i have already read. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Hehe ,i see you have discovered the magical button :D. I like the picture of third world transportation device,makes the posts in context :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by QuietIce
You sigged me for what reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Prove me i wrong!
Based on Hwbox.gr numbers stock PII 920 is in average 11.7% faster than stock Q6600 and stock PII 920 is in average 3.3% slower than stock Q9450.
That's obvious it will bet faster than Q9300 (cache performance hit + frequency hit/Q9450) and may be equal to Q9400 (cache performance/Q9450)
Q9450 versus Q9400 :
http://www.matbe.com/comparatifs/?id...2&prod2=160961
156 for Q9450 and 148 for Q9400 difference = 5.4%
Q9450 versus Q9300 :
http://www.matbe.com/comparatifs/?id...2&prod2=160951
156 for Q9450 and 139 for Q9300 difference = 12.2%
And you called people here ignorant... :rolleyes:
yea dude don't worry about it. he has sigged many people he just feels good about himself for doing it or something. just block him like most of us already have. chad sigged me awhile back for saying that i am not biased even tho i run amd. thats just how they are. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelJemka
anyone got a clue about deneb/shanghia's cache cycle
Barcelona's was in the 40's 44or 49 cycle I don't remember but is it improved ?
Tell me what is not factual about what I just said. Do that and you'll be on your way to having a fair debate. I'm not into arguing simpletons, if you can show me that you're capable of thinking logically and able to at least deduce the strengths and weaknesses of both platforms I'm more than willing to debate you. I tell it like it is and you sig this because there are many technically sound people in this thread who are intentionally twisting the facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
Chad Boga was right; AMDs new revision is nothing more than that, a revision.
Here are the pros: marginal performance improvement, and more impressive elimination of coldbug.
Cons: power draw is still higher compared to Intel competitors aka. 45nm C2Q, still behind in ipc compared to the same group; has a low temp thresold when overclocking. You can sig it, it is the truth, even though you won't admit it.
I sigged you because you're beginning to see the light. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelJemka
huh?
You're right you can go now:wiggle:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Only a moron can get a conclusion with one imcomplete review...
I guess Im not understanding why someone would post intel stuff in a thread entitled "shanghai/deneb review thread" :shrug:
Sorry my conclusions are drawn from more than one review; fortunately, I'm not as blind as you as I've followed all the reviews you choose to ignore. Only an imbecile would assume what another person is basing his arguments on. Here's a piece of advice; when in doubt, ask. Tu comprende?Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelJemka
Enlight me Zucker2K show me your links :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Abel don't quote him,that way we that used the magical ignore button on him can see how his *magnificent deduction skills* work (or fail to do so) :p: . But he is persistant,you gotta give him credit for that(apart from being able to insult almost every one who disagrees with him :p: )
Cool the ignore button doesnt slow down the load time for pages like it does at some other forums
lol i was just about to say the same. theres no point in talking to someone who ignores every word you say anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
My answer was about "temps" (numbers) many tend to think is acutal temperatures within a core, from a point on the PCB..etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by sundancerx
But if you feel like giving answers to something else, that is OK. :)
idk if he was talking to you because it doesn't have to do with what you said. he might of been responding to people in this thread that have said because of voltage is higher it should consume more power which isn't true.Quote:
Originally Posted by TL1000S