http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ekmoas133a.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by 3oh6
http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c..._2020_69300869
Just search for that from your local retailer man :up:
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http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ekmoas133a.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by 3oh6
http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c..._2020_69300869
Just search for that from your local retailer man :up:
Also - how hot do those NB inductors actually get? should I heat sink them or is it not really necessary?
Around 45-50C under Prime Blend inside a well ventilated case, measured using an infrared surface thermometer. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Bravo
ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy
Zeus, is there an ETA or release date for the Bitpower WB?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
Ppcs will have it in 10days :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mezzro
I don't know mate but bitspower seem to have some trouble releasing those blocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mezzro
A while ago they annouced their 780I nb/sb block but afaik it's still not available.
Vincent from bitspower said the first week of oct the block will be available, let's hope he's right.
Oh, and don't expect it to be cheap either, saw the asus 790i block listed at a shop here in the Netherlands for a whopping 109,- :eek:
Hi, I have a lil problem with my RE and Ati 4870 series cards.
Tried to install a set of 2x4870, later on 2x4870x2. Had to use the driver from cd since the newer one even doesn't recognize the cards.
But the main problem is, that the card in the first pci-e slot is constantly overheating (idle temps 85°c), the second card is bout 54°c.
Makes no difference if I take one or two 4870/x2 cards, the one close to nb is always overheating...
Anyone an idea what the problem is?
No problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by sargatanas
Idleing at 80C+ is a speciality of HD48XX series cards. The fact that the one closer to the NB is hotter is because it does most of the work, and that when you first enter Windows, the clocks are not in an idle state, you need to run something 3D, and exit before it will drop down, and run a little cooler while idle.
However even at load the main card shouldn't go much above 90C. If you are worried try playing with the fan profile, search for it in the forums, lots of threads on the subject.
Or of course you can watercool them... :D
well sure, the first one is the main one.
so, the trick is to run 3d to get it to idle afterwards? cause the card was always that hot @ startup.
sure, i want to watercool em since there are 2 loops for graphics :D but i thought it is a bug due to mb ^^
on the other hand, kinda strange that the 8.8 catalyst didn't recognize the cards...
Yeah that seems to be the only way at the moment, at least until a new catalyst driver sorts it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by sargatanas
i guess this is due to mb/gpu combination since my friend hasn't such a bug.
well then, gonna reorder 2 atis and 2 ek blocks :D
ty for info :)
Seems like this board dont like 500fsb on quads, 485fsb working for me but after that i get troubles. Using 0501bios right now. Maybe planning to back to dual core :)
cheers for the cooling mod example eternal_fantasy. Really helpful. I was able to pull it up on screen in the shop to show them what bits I needed.
took off the heatsink last night, same as others regards thermal paste application. A bit stingy and sloppy with the paste aren't they?
Got 2 thermal right HR-90S Types 2s on the mosfets, copper ramsinks on the southbridge and the other chips, and a MCW-30 on the northbridge. NB has dropped from 50c down to 35c. A bit more like it:D
RLM
Yep, got to try and figure that out. I've had 495 out of my QX on the EVGA 790i, will have to do some tinkering. maybe a lot of tinkering. Didn't like 0501 have gone back to the supplied bios 0204 I think it is.Quote:
Seems like this board dont like 500fsb on quads, 485fsb working for me but after that i get troubles. Using 0501bios right now. Maybe planning to back to dua
RLM
ATI 8.9 catalyst drivers have been out for a week now might want to try those. my 4870 idled at between 76c and 80c before i water cooled it. So if your worried about that High temp it is normal for these cards. Water cooling is the way to go unless you want to listen to loud fan noise at least on mine when i went over 40% on the fan it got loud. Take it up to 100% and you will need ear plugsQuote:
Originally Posted by sargatanas
Yey my pretty pics actually helped someone! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RLM
Glad to be of service. :up:
Anyone found or know of bad combinations of Performance level (tRd) and memory latencies: I have POST problems using PL6/cl8/1:2 - I can't POST above 425fsb with PL6/8-8-8-24 but can POST with PL6/7-7-7-20. :confused:
My 2x1GB OCZ3P18002GK is stable up to 440fsb and 1:2 with PL6/7-7-7-20, but I don't think it will go any further @ cl7.
there is an equation Kris Broughton figured out for tRD capabilities. at certain FSBs with certain CLs, tRDs of a certain value are only allowed. the article is on AnandTech.com...and thanks to google advanced search, here it is. should explain what you are finding...
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3208&p=8
HTH
i finished the work i needed to do this morning so i decided to have some fun with hardware laying around. i had this card volt modded and insulated a few days ago so i figured i would see what it would do. CPU was just on a Chilly single stage...i spent damn near 8 hours working this setup over. had issues clocking the cards past 800MHz with RivaTuner so i switched to BIOS flashes to get the clocks up. it was a fun little afternoon and a nice change of pace from clocking LN2 drinking modern cards...nothing like pouring a bit into the pot then starting 05 and going to make a sandwich while it finished :D
click for full size...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../setup-1sm.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../setup-2sm.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../setup-3sm.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../setup-4sm.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../setup-5sm.jpg
insulation held up very well as i benched about 4 times longer than i thought i was going to be. but the setup kept running so i kept squeezing more points. temps according to RivaTuner on the card remained between -30C during screenshots to -70C for benching, but most of the time bang on -50C. i didn't have a thermal probe in the pot so no idea what pot temps were.
click for full size...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...00-910-1sm.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...00-904-1sm.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...36-904-1sm.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...36-904-1sm.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...00_873-1sm.png
just goes to show, you don't need high powered cards to have a good time. i have a stack of other little cards laying around that will likely all get their turn in this setup. i also figured out a solution to my bowing RE for this session so i am all ready to go back to LN2 on the E8600 soon :up:
That's the idea 30h6. Nice one:up:
RLM
thanks 3o, :up: it's an excellent article which I'm embarrassed to say I've read (and bookmarked) before. My only excuse is that I was still using a Commando when I last read through - and some of the drier stuff (like the tRD POST equation), I sort of skimmed over. :slap:
My new personal record with new E8400, on air..:)
640FSB and with 5:8 divider...memory clock at 2050Mhz:D
NB~1,64v
NB~52C
http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/screenshot/423617.png
CPU-Z Valid
Well seems to be a problem with the RE, since my friends don't have this issue and such temps @ idle.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaVa_Az
I went kinda crazy with this cards because I thought they do not work well on the RE since the fan of the primary card started like every 2-5seconds and it sounds like a plane starts. I know that they like it hot...but didn't thought that they get that hot @ idle.
So...gonna get 2 of em again and some waterblocks for em.
Btw how are ur watercooled temps?
I was getting right at 40c idle. Just did a cooling mod and im getting 30c now.Thats with a koolance full cover block.Quote:
Originally Posted by sargatanas
well then, lets order some atis and ek blocks again =)
why on Ramage extreme does not work metest 2.01
when you start with a black screen LITEON DVDRW
all I have time to nb 62 * C OC 74 to LC what is wrong?
Having a b1tch of a time trying to overclock on this board. Cpu Qx9650 and Memory OCZ 1066 Gold Micron D9GTNs.
Trying for 480x8.5 memory 1920mhz 8-8-8-25
Occasionally if I'm lucky I can boot into vista, which I've now just managed to corrupt. Spent the last 8 hours solidly making changes and trying to boot. You know messing with clock skews etc etc.
Slot B2 is more stable than A2 I've found. For A2 to boot at this FSB and memory setting I need to stick +.67mv into the DDRVrefA setting.
The above overclock was very easy for me on the 790i including 485x9 485x10, which I could run all the benches on. However on the Rampage it is eluding me. A lot to shell out on a board, then third part cooling on top, just for a moderate OC.
Anyone care to share setting for a similar quad overclock? I've looked at the 450x8 posted by Eternal I think it was, but 480 is very different.
Thanks
RLM
Nice one Eternal_Fantasy, thanks. Grabbed and Flashed. Let's hope I have a bit more joy with this bios:D
RLM
Changes?
Excellent news - cheers EF!!. Wonder what the changelog is ?.
My rig is out of action for the next 3 wks as I am changing to W/C I have bits distrubed across all of the bedrooms in my house and am on hols for 2 weeks so will have to wait to test this on. No doubt you guys would have said whether or not this is a keeper by the time I get back.
Just fitted the passive cooling sinks to my board over the w/e and found that it had also warped like 3oh6's to the tune of about 3mm at the top - a word of warning to people using large sinks like the TRUE120 I was using.
Not sure yet. I don't see any difference to the bios options. Need time to test it.Quote:
Changes?
Regards Quads and RE
I won't copy quotes, but maybe I should have read this page first. I seem to have selectively missed the negative comments or warnings in this thread prior to purchase
http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/....php?p=3288929
oh and this
http://asusindependent.com/forums/in...pic=291&st=120
RLM
Not sure if this is positive 480x8 boot first time. Nothing clever. No skews etc. memory in white slots. As I say too early to tell.
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6091/480x8lx3.jpg
RLM
Well trying different straps and ratios and I'm back to the same problems. Doesn't want to boot to OS. This is far short of what I can easily achieve on the 790i.
I know it's easy to just give up and blame the hardware, a bad workman blames his tools, but I'm not convinced that patience and a week of tweaking is going to rectify these issues. Especially seeing other's experiencing similar issues.
The other real concern for me is temps. During a prime blend I've seen 72c on 2 of the cores. Not sure how accurate that is, but I would expect sub 60 especially for blend. Someone has mentioned that it's the 16 phase that's possibly behind this. Really can't afford to fry this chip.
As I need to be running a quad core for my 3d work, it's looking like I maybe getting rid of the board. My fault really, should have read up a bit more. Blinded by the fantastic results that the board achieves with 8600s and the right RAM.
Any recommendations or thoughts on this will be appreciated. I'm thinking P5E3 premium maybe? Or is that out of the frying pan into the fire?
RLM
I understand your frustration as I'm in the same boat. I've tried a myriad of different settings and the only thing that wants to work is AUTO.Quote:
Originally Posted by RLM
It's definitely a RAM issue as far as I can see, but I'm not sure yet. I'm going to try the new bios and see where it gets me. I can't even get my memory to run at its rated speed so far, even on crazy relaxed timings.
The OCZ's are certainly an issue as other's have testified. Here in Thailand for DDR3 we have Gskill, Geil and OCZ. I have certainly thought about the Gskill HZs as an option.
However I've been down this road before. I'll end up spending a 1000 pounds on hardware and in the end probably gain very little. lol
I don't know if you've read this http://asusindependent.com/forums/in...pic=291&st=120
He's tried a whole range of memory with the quads, including Gskills and still runs into a brick wall.
Really don't know to be honest:confused: I'll be interested to see what you get out of 0601.
I think what I will do is put these bits back into the P5E3 Deluxe, just to see how I get on. I haven't really pushed that board at all.
RLM
Yes, like you I've tried relaxing all the timings. I have however achieved 1600-1700 at 7-7-7-25 reasonably easy. 266 seems to be the favourite strap.Quote:
It's definitely a RAM issue as far as I can see, but I'm not sure yet. I'm going to try the new bios and see where it gets me. I can't even get my memory to run at its rated speed so far, even on crazy relaxed timings.
After hours of getting no where, I tried one stick in the far slot (closest to the right) and managed to boot into OS. I then stuck the ram back in to slot A2 (Second along to the right) and had another go. The way I managed to get this slot to work in the end was to stick +50mv or +62mv in DDRVref A. I don't know if you have experimented with these settings.
I do have the 1600 platinums here as well. The 2 x 2GB sticks. Are they what you have got? They're in a build I'm doing for someone else. I'll give them a try
RLM
This isn't tested for stability. No fancy settings skews etc. No DDRVref adjustments either. Maybe you will get more luck with 0601.
These are the OCZ PC3 12800s 4gb 2x2 in the white slots. Voltage set to 1.92v for vdimm
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2...1600mhzzx2.jpg
RLM
Well, I'm waiting to get some more parts for my WC build. I'm on stock cooling right now, so I'm sure that's a factor. But with very mild OCs I'm not getting anywhere. I've even tried setting everything to stock voltages and timings manually and still get crashes.
Here's one more. A bump in a few of the voltages NB to 1.55 Cpu PLL to 1.6 Vdimm to 1.95. Again nothing really clever. Manually set TRFC to 82 and had to loosen Perf level to 8. The standard stuff like static read to disable, but twister is at moderate.
Wouldn't know how stable this is
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2...1800mhzep6.jpg
RLM
As I say you may get better stability with this newer bios. It's still very limited for quads compared to other boards, but auto settings do seem to be working better.Quote:
Well, I'm waiting to get some more parts for my WC build. I'm on stock cooling right now, so I'm sure that's a factor. But with very mild OCs I'm not getting anywhere. I've even tried setting everything to stock voltages and timings manually and still get crashes.
I'm sure your Watercooling will be beneficial:D
RLM
:D For sure!Quote:
Originally Posted by RLM
Just need to get it all here and installed :D
Had a bit more a tinker. note my OS has been run ragged so isn't in great form.
The 450x9.5 1800mhz settings weren't very stable. I ran 3dmark06 and it crapped out at the cpu test. This in part was due to me not allowing enough for vdroop though.
Out of lazyness I then set vcore to 1.47v with LLC enabled. This time it ran all the way through. Scored 24,500, I opened CPU-Z for a screengrab the screen went blank and the machine froze.lol. Could be my OS in part, but more tinkering would be needed.
Went back and this time set 425x10 memory 1700mhz 7-7-7-25 Perf 7 Vcore to 1.456 LLC Enabled.
Not setting the world alight with these scores and not exactly prime tested, but maybe it will give you some light at the end of the tunnel:D
Again the PC3 12800s 425x10 1700mhz 7-7-7-25 1T.
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4...k061700ue8.jpg
Must put the sticks back in my mates rig now, before I do anything silly.
RLM
just a little single card GTX 280 shake down action. the setup is all but complete so hopefully
some time this week or weekend i can get the volt mods/insulation done and put up some fun
runs under cold.
100K at 5.3GHz with air cooling on the card was the goal for tonight...check
http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/reviews...505_5312-1.png
Hay peeps a little tip: ALWAYS manually set the GTL Ref Values in the BIOS to match the VTT you set. They have a tendency to change when left on AUTO on the RE, and cause random BSOD on Window startup and under load. You can set a VTT that's 4 hour prime stable, then on next reboot it BSOD when loading Windows. After manually setting the GTL Ref, it no longer randomly BSOD!
Set the GTL Ref according to this thread: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=202292
Good luck!!:up:
Thanks EF.
Will definitely take that into account.
That's handy thanks. I know the 790i worked a bit differently, but for gtlrefs and the QX the default values of -50, -50 seemed to do the trick. I used to use a VTT of 1.35v.Quote:
Hay peeps a little tip: ALWAYS manually set the GTL Ref Values in the BIOS to match the VTT you set. They have a tendency to change when left on AUTO on the RE, and cause random BSOD on Window startup and under load. You can set a VTT that's 4 hour prime stable, then on next reboot it BSOD when loading Windows. After manually setting the GTL Ref, it no longer randomly BSOD!
Set the GTL Ref according to this thread: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=202292
Good luck!!
Just a quick calculation based on 1.35v VTT, comes to -43 if I'm right, so not a million miles away.
I have tried experimenting with the GTLrefs on the RE, but nothing significant yet. Will try again. I'm guessing that like the 790i you only enter this into the first two GTLref settings? What about NB gtlref? Would be nice if the bios showed you what Auto settings were being picked.
Thanks again.
RLM
A question on cpu temperature. it crossed my mind as to whether realtemp or coretemp are reporting bogus values with this board. A possibility? I mean underwater with moderate volts, can a cpu jump form 30c to mid 60s in the blink of an eye?
I only say this, because if you have LCD Poster set to monitoring cpu temps you see a gradual climb in temps when a load is put on. That seems to make a bit more sense to me, but then I really don't know.
In addition to take prime blend as an example. With 1.45v on the qx and an overclock of 4ghz, I was seeing 63/64c on two cores and the other two were on 72c. This was during the 8k test (I think I'm right), which I'm guessing is closer to a small FTT test. I've never seen this sort of variation before, especially at load.
Just a thought or two.
RLM
8K test is small ffts. what temp monitoring tool are you using? TJMax should be 100c.
Blend has the 8k test as well. It kicks in about 20 mins into the test.Quote:
8K test is small ffts. what temp monitoring tool are you using? TJMax should be 100c.
Both coretemp and realtemp. Coretemp reads 95c Tjmax
RLM
Well this is a first and 0601 I believe is an improvement.
I've tried both manual gtlrefs of -45mv (VTT 1.35) and auto. Both boot, but strangely with auto my copy and write times were in the upper 9000s. Will give that another go.
One thing I have done is to set trfc to 110. I know that when using the 790i and getting up into the 1900+mhz mark it would auto set trfc around this sort of value. NB 1.6v mem 1.98v CPU Pll 1.6. Mem timings are very loose with ai twister set to moderate.
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/2806/1920mhzht6.jpg
RLM
Note this is with OCZ Gold 1066mhz sticks.
Booted at 8-8-8-30 and ran everest, but crashed out of 3dmark. More vdimm possibly. They should be able to do 8-7-6-21 with a tighter trfc.
It's a start though.
4870x2 at stock 750/900
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9...ark1920rt9.jpg
RLM
Well I can't achieve 4.5ghz bootable. I managed a 3dmark 06 run at 4.320 9x480, but that was about it.
I then decided to have a look through the hall of fame on Hwbot. I did a search for qx9650 scores between 25,000 and 30,000 single card in 3dmark 06. I wanted to see if I was missing something, but the results or should I say '0' results for rampage extreme seem to back it up. I can just about smile, but I think I've made a right c0ckup choosing this board. Off to have a look for my next spectacular mistake.lol
RLM
LC VNB 1.88V ,VFSB 1.35V ,Vram 1.95V ,VCPU 1.48V
http://images31.fotosik.pl/372/95f03a672325fa49.jpg
http://images31.fotosik.pl/372/fdef9fd59724863b.jpg
http://images48.fotosik.pl/15/406bc47f9bc63740.jpg
My VTT is 1.35v - would cpu gtl vref be -40mVQuote:
Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy
There is a
CPU GTL vref (0)
CPU GTL vref (1)
CPU GTL vref (2)
CPU GTL vref (3)
Do they all set the same?? :confused: Are you sure it's not + 40mV instead of -40mV
With 2x1 GB the Rampage have no Problems.
But with 2x2 GB the Rampage canīt boot > 1800 MHz RAM.
With the 1:2 dividier i have up FSB 425 no go.
The RAMīs are Prime stable to 1800 MHz are not Game stable, Crysis or Race Driver Grid freeze with this RAM Frequenz >1700 MHz.
According to the equationQuote:
My VTT is 1.35v - would cpu gtl vref be -40mV
There is a
CPU GTL vref (0)
CPU GTL vref (1)
CPU GTL vref (2)
CPU GTL vref (3)
Do they all set the same?? Are you sure it's not + 40mV instead of -40mV
Vtt x 0.667 + Y = Vtt x 0.635
1.35 x 0.667 +y = 1.35 x .635
.90045 + y = 0.85725
y= -0.0432
y = -43mv
I'd say closer to -45mv. personally I've only stuck that value into vref (0) and vref (1).
From experience of the 790i and my QX, the minus values were the way to go. For the q6600 positive values.
None of these equations are set in stone though. Can be trial and error. For instance I got higher FSB on the 790i using -110,-110. So go figure????
RLM
What cooling on the NB with such high voltage?Quote:
Originally Posted by marcin255
stock cooling-water NB temp 45 *C
Question, I'm not finding the 0601 bios release on ASUS site, is this a beta release?
Also will setting the CPU GTL vref for e8600 benefit performance?
I do not know but it works well
So has anyone been able to get 24/7 stable with a 2x2GB kit at any reasonably high FSB?
I'm thinking about going back to the Rampage Formula and DDR2 :(
Hi Coral11 - there is a link to 0601 on post 1029 by EF.
Zlojack - 420 was my highest with 2x2Gb, one OCZ 2000Mhz rated the other G.Skill 1600Mhz rated. I'm getting some good results on my 2x1Gb Doms and would have bought the 2x2Gb kit only these came up at a good price on eBay !. Might take the plunge after the re-mortgage to change to W/C !!
If you read down that thread you'll see as long as you're using a 45nm CPU, GTL Ref will be in the negitives.Quote:
Originally Posted by runmc
Theoretically using a Dual Core you only need to set the 0 and 1, but no harm on setting all of them. :)
In the article note that it said "Round up to the nearest selectable bios value", therefore if the calculations comes out at -41mV, then you select -45mV.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
Of course use what you think benefits you the most, but whatever you set, don't leave it on AUTO!
That was with your quad, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by rob2k
I'm hoping to get some more than that out of the dually. Anyway, I'm not one to give up so easily, but this board has been frustrating so far with the RAM I have.:shakes:
Yes it was with my quad - up to 450FSB on my current DIMS but stopped there due to temps.Quote:
Originally Posted by zlojack
Would like to see if 0601 improves quad clocking and memory compatibility.
Here is my 3 hour prime blend stable setting with 4x1GB CellShock DDR3-14400. Just playing around with 4x1GB, and thought it may encourage some to keep at it... :up:
http://gallery.me.com/jeffrey_lee/10...12227866890001
So far for my sticks, 0601 is the same story. I also got a BSOD last night while watching a YouTube vid with the memory set at 1333 7-7-7-20
Something is out of whack.
EDIT: Nice stuff EF! So maybe 4x1 might be the way to go...hmm.
GTL Ref is not about performance, it's stability. Manually setting it puts you in control of what the motherboard sets, as I'm suspecting that the GTL Ref when left on AUTO scales with the FSB, and not with VTT, as it was supposed to. That may be why when left all on AUTO everything is more stable, as both the VTT and GTL Ref scale with the FSB, and are effectively in sync.Quote:
Originally Posted by coral11
All theoretical of course. ;)
@ eternal fantasy
I have the same read/write/copy performance with RAM @1600 7-7-7-21 1T with 2x2 GB CSX DDR3/2000
My E8600 is working @4,25 GHz
:clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullshooter
Well, I've just finished re-installing Vista :(
After playing with Skews and GTL's trying to get 400FSB and RAM at 1600 MHz stable I lost one of the drives in my RAID0 array :(
To be honest Zlojak, might be better to leave Raid until you've found stability. Just a thought.Quote:
Well, I've just finished re-installing Vista
After playing with Skews and GTL's trying to get 400FSB and RAM at 1600 MHz stable I lost one of the drives in my RAID0 array
RLM
A little question, sorry for the offtopic. But does the people owning this mobo recommend it? I need a new DDR3 mobo since my 790i has crashed once again, and this is the one I have been thinking about getting... All the settings seem awesome and most of the OC-reports as far as I see.
What CPU and Ram are you using? Might help with the answer to your question.Quote:
A little question, sorry for the offtopic. But does the people owning this mobo recommend it? I need a new DDR3 mobo since my 790i has crashed once again, and this is the one I have been thinking about getting... All the settings seem awesome and most of the OC-reports as far as I see.
Cheers
RLM
E8400 (at least 4.2gHz 24/7)Quote:
Originally Posted by RLM
2048 Corsair DDR3 XMS3 DHX
planning on buying more/new memory soon though.
Thanks, I guess I must be done. I'm running stable 4200 on my e8600.Quote:
Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy
Probably a good idea. I just redid the array, so if it craps out again, I'll probably hold off on RAID until I can get things stable.:shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by RLM
Great! For a long time I've been thinking about which of the AUTO settings was that it lacked stability, crazy changing in reboot many times (what I have called several times in this thread "corruption", although that is not accurate). My main suspects were Ai Clock Twister and GTLs, but Ai Clock setting manually seems to be useless. I agree: surely the GTLs are the key of this serious issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy
About this, i think that the "-40mv" solution nor make much sense. We must assume that the Bios knows the difference between 65nm and 45nm, and knows to apply the correct GTL settings (x 0.635, not x 0.667) in a 45nm. Anyway, in my case the "-40mv" trick help me too little for the Linpack stability. Finally i reach 200pass+ full Linpack stability with boths GTLs and VTT in Auto mode.
I have reached this strong stability in a very small OC, but now I'm happy for the first time with my rig and start trying to squeeze more the hardware from here.
vega22, how are you finding those G.Skills with this board?
As I commented in this thread, I had a very bad experience with a OCZ 14400 Reaper Kit. But these G.Skill are totally rock solid. They are totally stable even in the blue slots, but they operate with 0.08 lower voltage in NB in whites slots.
Thanks for the info.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by vega22
My current sticks won't do anything other than AUTO so far, so I'm looking for something else. I want to make this board work, but I'm still considering going back to the Rampage Formula :shakes:
I set manually all the settings for the GSkill.Quote:
My current sticks won't do anything other than AUTO so far, so I'm looking for something else. I want to make this board work, but I'm still considering going back to the Rampage Formula
if my RE returns to give me the slightest problem of stability, I switch to DFI.
BTW, my last purchase before the RE, a Maximus II Formula, was substantially better than the RE handling the Quad. For DDR2 in a Quad, i recommend this board.
Hmmm looks like Mushkin has had some success with their 2x2 1600MHz XP model. (http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/...ail.asp?id=705)
http://forums.mushkin.com/phpbb2/vie...hp?f=3&t=12410
Greg is getting 450x9 1800Mhz 8-8-8-24-1N over 4 hours prime and memtest stable with a Q9650 @ 4GHz
When I first got the EVGA 790i, I could have thrown every gtl value and tweak at it, my q6600 just wasn't going to hit 3.5ghz+. I knew the chip was more than capable.Quote:
Thanks for the info.
My current sticks won't do anything other than AUTO so far, so I'm looking for something else. I want to make this board work, but I'm still considering going back to the Rampage Formula
Instead of spending weeks banging my head against the walll, I cut my losses and put the 790i away and ran a P5E3 Deluxe instead. I then just waited for the next bios release. When that came out a few weeks later, I flashed the 790i and had my Q6600 benching at 4.1ghz.
Basically what I'm saying is that it may well be an idea to go back to your Rampage formula for a bit. A lot less bl00dy stressfull.
I don't know much about the P5E3 premium, but that was a bit of dog to run wasn't it? The latest bios releases have made all the difference from what I gather.
RLM
Oh by the way, back on my P5E3 Deluxe for the timebeing:D
You might be onto something with that:DQuote:
Originally Posted by RLM
You love it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Helliano
Sorry for not posting sooner but I got home from work (Spain) and promtly was sick as a dog. Last night was my first night trying again with the RE, E8600 and the CSX 2 X 2 2000 GTS Ram. Waiting for bits so all on air. If I have time tonight will try and post some screen shots, etc. 9 X 450 1800 9 9 9 24 after fiddling with the ram skews. Stable. Then tried 9 X 467 1868 (1872 in bios) again 9 9 9 24 and not quite there as it will either crash after 10 minutes or maybe an hour, 2 hours later. So just before heading off to bed (@ 5 am) I figured what the heck and tried 9 X 500 & 2000! Yup, I can get into windows but not stable...will require a lot of tweaking or just volts. With 1800, 1868 or 2000 if I move the GTL Ref's around it seems worse so I've left those on normal or auto. The only exception is the NB GTLVref @ +10mv. NB DDR Vref @ +12.5mv and the DDR3 Channel A & B Vrefs @ +50 mv. The Dram Skew Control is Normal, Normal, Advance 250ps, Normal, Normal for both A2 & B2 which should be the White Slots. Tried fiddling with the first and last, again advancing but was less stable. I know, I've read all the posts by guys with a heck of a lot more knowledge than me about negative values but with me I've had no luck at all with the negative values. Ram voltage @ 1.93506...tried going as high as 1.98806 for the 1868 & 2000 but might have to give it more. Hopefully 2.1or 2.2 won't kill them. Ai Clock Twister seems to work with Light, Lighter or Moderate but Strong and Stronger BSOD much quicker. Perf Level 7. Volts to CPU 1.35625, NB 1.44472 FSB 1.40491 CPU PLL 1.5508 SB voltages one click up from auto. The 500 FSB Ram @ 2000 upped everything 2 clicks. Now that I am on Bios 601 I find that things go better with "Load Line Calibration" Enabled. This was a no no on my X38 hybrid Rampage Formula. Dram Static Control & Dram Dynamic Write Control both Disabled, but might try enabling them one at a time tonight.
Ok, disclaimer time...I'm not dictating or trying to claim anything. This is just a noob who has typed a few things down so I can receive feedback or possibly even give someone else some ideas. I will use the official format for bios values in the future. If it wasn't for some of the talented individuals on here I never would have gotten this far. In fact, can someone please tell me how Memset works and which values to change, etc? Just a little explanation would be very helpful as to which SPD columns correspond to the A & B columns. I'm serious, I can't seem to get it to work at all. 3.5.7 Beta This board has been an absolute joy at times and a real SOB at others, but I'm not giving up!! Any and ALL ideas appreciated!!:D
Regards,
GriZ
I tracked it down. Here is the Link.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...highlight=0601
@GriZ: Leave the SPD, only change the settings that have the drop-down menu next to it.
Which settings you can change is trial and error, look at the screens people post and try to use those settings.
Your mem is supported up to 2.1V so don't be scared to give 'm that.
The timings you're using are very relaxed, try at least 8-7-6-18 or even beter 7-6-5-16.
Off course this requires more voltage.
I have mine running at 2.04V 7-6-5-18 at DDR 1800 with a dominator ram cooler over them as 24/7 setting, mine are 2x1GB, i don't know if 2x2GB clocks worse.
Just a bit of a warning. i notice you have Raid-0 as well. I've managed a couple of times on other boards to corrupt my Raid setup with Memset tweaking.Quote:
Ok, disclaimer time...I'm not dictating or trying to claim anything. This is just a noob who has typed a few things down so I can receive feedback or possibly even give someone else some ideas. I will use the official format for bios values in the future. If it wasn't for some of the talented individuals on here I never would have gotten this far. In fact, can someone please tell me how Memset works and which values to change, etc? Just a little explanation would be very helpful as to which SPD columns correspond to the A & B columns. I'm serious, I can't seem to get it to work at all. 3.5.7 Beta This board has been an absolute joy at times and a real SOB at others, but I'm not giving up!! Any and ALL ideas appreciated!!
The way I had things setup before was to have a separate non raid drive with Os's on it. I'd then do all my tweaking on that drive. A bit more forgiving. Oh and for Raid setups it seems to help giving a tad more voltage to the South Bridge.
Don't know what to advise on memset really. I wouldn't use it for finding stability. i'd do that via bios settings, memtest, prime etc. memset comes into it's own really for benching in my opinion. Just go careful, and maybe focus more on subtimings just adjusting 1 notch at a time. Things like your TRFC for instance.
I'm no expert, so maybe someone else can comment.
RLM
@ Zeus. Dood, Thanks for the reply. Went into Bios and tried what you suggested. Upped voltage a tad and Presto!! Anything with a 7 in it is a no go but managed to come up with 8 8 8 21 5 82 8 6. Much quicker!!:) I'll post the full bios settings either tonight or tomorrow as I promised you when I was still at work a couple weeks ago.
@ RLM The Raid 0 is to try it out with the onboard raid support. This isn't my day to day machine and I can afford to have a screw up here and there. A lot of people knock it but the best price I can come up with in Europe for an Areca 1231 ML with 2 Gb of ram is 620.00 Euros, which is a lot of bucks, even to an old guy like me. Yup, I've corrupted a couple raids with bad overclocks in the past so point taken and noted. Lowered the TRFC as you suggested and 82 was it. 72 and I get the Det Ram hang. Also upped the SB volts on your suggestion so Thank you as well.:clap:
Here goes with an attachment, sorry, forgot to run Pi until it was too late but 1M was 11.2 sec & apologies if the pic sucks (first timer at this)
Regards,
Griz
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/q...perpi32M_1.jpg
Everest scores are still not great - can't hold CL7 above 440fsb with this OCZ kit, and no 1T possible at all :)
what is the best bios for this board iam currently working on a system with the following..
E8600
2x4870x2's
Gskill 1600 (ones with the fugly heatsink and pi symbol)
Silverstone 1200watt modular..
I want to get 4500mhz out of the chip 24/7 but would also like to get more for some benching fun....Any help or thoughts would be greatly appreciated
Tried for a personal best today since it is getting Cold in Chicago. Ambient room temp is 69F. So I figured I'd get a little more out of my system.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=8378109
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6...23547t2pt5.jpg
Well tonight I found it's definitely an issue with my RAM.
With FSB of 550 I was able to get into Windows and run programs without much stability testing, but got further than at FSB 400 (then I had to pull my 3870 X2, as I sold it :D)
The main difference, at 550 FSB the RAM was at 1100 MHz and it was fine. At 500 FSB the RAM was at 1200 MHz and it was fine. At 400 FSB the RAM was at 1600 MHz with very relaxed timings and generous voltages and it would BSOD in a matter of minutes after getting into Windows.
550 FSB was a bit tricky, but once I played with NB volts and some GTLs it booted into Windows, which shows that it's doable on my board, only with the RAM at 1:1 6-6-6 :(
Funny enough, at 500 FSB 1200MHz DDR3 6-6-6 PL9, the bandwidth and latency in Everest was very similar to what I was getting out of my DDR2 at 1133 5-5-5 PL7 on FSB of 478
So the board is capable. Now to find some sticks that can keep up.
well after the discussions in here about the GTLVRef values and what they should be I can confirm that after I changed mine to - (they were + see above) the settings are not stable anymore. PC froze during OCCT (about 30 minutes in). Went back to the original settings above and it passed the 1H test.Quote:
Originally Posted by MnM
So I am not entirely sure that for QX9770 - is the way to go.
That's interesting MnM. Worth looking into.
What bothers me though are your voltages and temps. Why can I bench my qx9650 at 485x9.5 with 1.55v NB on the 790i and you need 1.67v for 430 x 10.
I don't like these high NB volts for 24/7. It only took around 1.55v NB to kill two DFI P35-T2Rs I had. 1.55v, squealing for a week or so then buggered.
You're also hitting 78c there aren't you? I'm surprised OCCT doesn't stop and warn about temps. Personally I want to keep my cpu at a max of what 64c during OCCT if poss.
Then PLL. Does anyone know what's safe for PLL voltage? I know with the P5K deluxe and Q6600 I'd hit a barrier at 3.7ghz and the only way through was with a bump in PLL. Don't know how this works for the 45nm QX.
Maybe there's a secret setting, but it seems to me this board needs too much voltage for the QXs. I'm going to stick mine back in the 790i, just to check things out.
I've been reading up on the blackops and apparently there was a similar issue. A bios update fixed this, so that the same clocks required less voltage.
RLM