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Thanks for the feedback Deachus, I will try those settings and let you know how I get along.
I keep on getting confused about running Memtest, now I've got memtest 3.8 but how do I get to run it in Dos before booting into windows? is there another version to the one I have? Or is it some sort of setting in Memtest?
You need to download Memtest86 Bootable ISO hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Defratos
Burn that to a CD and put in your CD drive then restart computer, go into BIOS and change Boot Order to boot from CD drive like you do when you install windows. Once Memtest loads run Test#5 like 4-5 times and if it passes with no errors then boot into windows and run HCI Memtest, LinX and Prime95.
Here is the link to a thread I started regarding stability testing, what steps to take, and what programs to use. Might want to check it out.
Thanks again, I'll try it out soon but good news for now, I plugged the settings you recommend (1.6PLL - 1.32VTT - 1.90 Dramv - 1.58 NB & 0.67 NB GTLv) and booted into windows and windows froze within 2 mintues which sucked:(. So I thought let me change the NBv down to 1.51 instead of 1.58 :rolleyes: and guess what it's ran 2hrs+ of prime with 0 errors (runs around in joy:wiggle:) I know I still need to test more so I'll see what other voltages I can lower, I'm still trying to figure out what sorted out the errors in prime or what combination of changes gave me the stability..thanks for the advice :up:
Glad to here you are making progress. I would say the vTT and/or vNB changes are what allowed you to run Prime95 for 2 hours with no errors. Your vNB was way to low for 4GB of memory. Also, are you running 4x1GB or 2x2GB mems?
Do you know what IC's are on your mems?
Defratos, OCZ recommends using memtest86+ v2.01 to test your memory. I have asked them this very question myself previously.
Link: http://www.memtest.org/
Hi there Deachus, I've got 2x2GB Ram, I'm not sure what my IC's are, if there's a way a checking please let me know. All I know is they are these:http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...800_reaper_hpc. Stock speed should be 1600Mhz and stock timings are 7-7-7-24.Quote:
Originally Posted by deachus
Yesterday after the two hour Prime test and after posting my reply the computer froze, so I probably have to look into tweaking a few voltages, but this is where I get a bit confused. What would it point to when the computer does fine putting it through a stability test and then crashes 10-15min after strenuous stability tests? would it be VTT or something else like GTLs? and would I lower or raise them? lol I'm just trying to squeeze out every last bit of knowledge you guys may have :rolleyes:
Yup I'll be trying this today once I burn it onto a CD so I can run memtest before entering windows, thanks for the linky. BTW this link you gave me is the same program as the one Deaches gave me earlier right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Razmatazz
Just dowloaded Linx from Dualist's thread:http://67.90.82.13/forums/showthread.php?p=3396264 but when I download the latest version 0.5.1.4 it downloads a .7z file, now how the hell do I get this program installed?
I've also downloaded the .exe file but when I try and run Linx it gives me an error file could not find "Linpack_xeon32.exe or Linkpack_xeon64.exe" Now someone mentioned in the Linx thread that I need to d/l the .7z file and then the .exe which I have done but then how do you get the program running after unzipping it?
just open the 7z(ip) file with WinRAR, 7zip (http://www.7-zip.org/) or similar
Ohh I see, ok I never had winrar on my work computer, thanks
Yea, I use winRAR for everything. You can download it for free.
Ok guys i've burned memtest ISO onto a cd, and changed the boot sequence to the CD drive boots first, but it still doesn't go into the program, it just loads windows up and then I hear the CD spinning but nothing gets loaded because Windows would be up by then, any ideas? an I burning the program onto the disk wrong?
Set it so that the mobo can only boot from the CD, disable the others in the boot sequence.
or press F8 as the POST screen appears to access the boot device menu and choose the HP DVD device
Cool will try thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Flasker
if that's the same as the Boot sequence then I've already tried that, but I'll give F8 a go and see what happens :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyr0
It sounds like you are not buring the .ISO correctyl to the CD. You can use MagicISO or PowerISO to burn the .ISO image to a CD.
Yup I think that's what I'm doing wrong, because even when I disabled my HD and only boot from CD it still doesn't recognize the CD as a bootable one, so I must be burning it wrong. I will try the above programs and try to get it to work, thanks once again for the help, really appreciate it :up:
OK guys I've run memtest86 on boot up and it passed test5 10 passes, so I loaded into windows and ran LinX on full memory for 100runs. Went out, came back 2hrs later and it was still running (around half finished) 20 mins later it froze (I wasn't using the computer) it was just running LinX. So anyway I rebooted and started posting here and 5 min later the computer froze. Now why does it freeze when I'm not even stressing the computer? and any comments on why LinX crashed 2hrs in? Would it be something to do with CPU v?
Try also running MemtestX86 Test#7. I received my Mushkin XP3-12800 4GB (2x2GB) D9GTS kit yesterday and I have to say this 2x2GB D9GTS kit is much harder to get stable @ 3.6Ghz : DDR3-1800Mhz then my two G.skill 2x1GB D9GTS kits. I can get 3.4Ghz FSB425 stable with really tight timings but it's taking longer to get 1800Mhz stable period.
After getting stable in MemtestX86 Test#5-7 I then boot into Windows and run HCI Windows Memtest for 30-60 minutes. If that passes I then go to LinX 100 runs Max Memory and if that passes then go to Prime95 for 12+ hours.
If you past HCI Memtest then and fail LinX like you just did then I would say you need to adjust one of the following settings: Vcore, Vtt, GTL's. Maybe Vnb but I don't think so.
Thanks I'll try that, one question though when I run Memtest in windows do I have to run 4 at the same time? Because someone mentioned somewhere that I need to run one for each core or something along those lines. When I run one I just let it run on all unused memory
Sorry, I should I mentioned that. Yes, since you have a QUAD you need to open it 4 times. Then I open Task Manager and see what my free memory is (usually 3200MB) then I divide that by 4 which equals 800MB and I put 800 in each of the 4 Memtest apps and start each of them. If you have Task Manager open when you Start each Memtest app you will see your processor usage go up 25%, 50%, 75% then 100% after you have started all 4 apps. You should see all your Physical memory eaten up also after you have started each app. I usually run this 30-60 minutes with no errors then proceed with LinX 100 runs and Prime95 12 Hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defratos
Well I just couldn't get 450FSB 1:1 DDR3-1800Mhz stable with these new Mushkin XP3-12800 7-7-6-18 sticks that I received yesterday. They run error free at 425FSB 1:1 DDR3-1700Mhz but I am getting an error or two in Windows Memtest after about 25%. It passes Memtest86 Test#5-7 no problem. I will go back to getting that stable later.
I used the mem divider resulting in these settings and suprisingly the system feels extremely fast and the Everest results are much better than the 450FSB 1:1 setting I was trying to get stable. I am now going to tweak my subtimings and see if I can lower any of them.
Update:
I lowered some of the subtimings and voltages and Prime95 is running 20 minutes and still going with no errors. I will let Prime95 run overnight then get back to tweaking DDR3-1800Mhz to get that stable.
Thanks for the clarification Deachus, I will try that out after work today. When you guys say tighter timings you mean lower figures to you ram timings right? as in my standard is 7-7-7-24 so if I did 6-6-6-22 this would be tighter timings? and are tighter timings harder to get stable? and do they give you increased performance?
Yes, yes and yes. The timings are effectively the latency of the RAM - they represent the wait period of inactivity before the RAM carries out another operation of the specified type. Obviously, tighter timings = shorter wait = better performance. However, tighter timings = more stressful = harder to get stable.
Ok cool I was thinking along the same lines. Ok I had another question, well a few, now I've changed my testing procedure (as recommended above) and now I'm doing the following:
1-run DOS memtest first before booting into windows Test#5&7 with 10 Passes, if get no errors then I move on to step 2.
2-boot into windows and start running HCI Memtest for about an hour (keep it overnight after checking quick stability)
3-Then I move on to Linx, max memory 100 times, if this passes then I move on to step 4
4- Test with Prime 95 overnight.
My questions are what settings would I need to play with if I get errors in tests 1, 2, 3, 4? I know that if I pass 1+2 but fail LinX then I should play around with Vcore, Vtt, GTL's. Maybe Vnb but I don't think so. (From Deachus). So if anyone could shed some light as to what errors on test 1-4 would indicate I would really appreciate it (Just trying to expand my knowledge on OC'ing)
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Originally Posted by Defratos
I would say with Steps 1 & 2 if you get errors you are going to need to adjust one of the following: Vdimm, Vnb, Memory Timings, Performance Level, NB GTL since you are testing the memory with these first two tests.
If you pass steps 1-3 with no errors then you have a very good chance of passing Prime95 error free.
I finally got my 2x2GB D9GTS 24/7 stable last night. That is at the settings I posted above. I am going to work on getting them DDR3-1800Mhz 1:1 stable today.
I'm envious of you guys who can stabilize their system in a few days, well then again this is my first OC with retarded memory sticks which the MB doesn't like, so I guess it aint too bad. BTW how many times do I have to run test7 with memtest on boot up?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Defratos
If Memtest86+ Test#5-7 passes 5 times each then I boot into windows.
I just looped 3DMark Vantage 3 runs with 9800GTX running 825/1190/2052. I am not impressed with the GPU score but that CPU score is looking great!:up: LinX passed 60 runs before I stopped it to run Vantage.
Ok I've got a silly/noob question or you guys. What would I notice more performance gains from:
1- Running tighter timings to my 4GB ram (Current 7-7-7-24-2N/2T)
2- Lowering the Dram Frequency from 1601Mhz to around 1200Mhz (as it stable at this frequency) and adding another 2GB stick (so 6GB total or even 8GB since I've got 2x2gb sticks lying around)
Running DDR3 @ 1200 is a crime punishable by public hanging...Quote:
Originally Posted by Defratos
Looooool :rofl:, ok thanks for that I get it now :rolleyes:, but would adding another 2GB stick help speed wise? or would I only notice it when I have a lot of programs and games up and running?Quote:
Originally Posted by kaskuli
and why are you running your DDR3 @ 1000Mhz? :confused:
You are not going to gain any speed by adding more ram, you are probably going to loose speed because you are most likely going to have to lower your frequency to get 6GB-8GB stable. Your current setup of 4GB should be more than enough memory unless you are using Photoshop or something extremely memory intensive.
I would try running a mem divider and raising your FSB to get your CPU in the 3.6Ghz-3.8Ghz and your memory in the 1400Mhz-1550Mhz range with 6-6-6-18-1T timings. This configuration has proved to be the fastest for me.
sounds like a good idea, I'll let you know how I get on :up:
BTW how do you go about setting a memory divider? I know its one of the options in the bios but I'm a bit confused?
The bios doesn't show the ratios or dividers, instead it gives DDR3 speeds.
In the AI Tweaker section, depending on the FSB Strap selected, you will have different memory speeds to choose from under the setting "DRAM Frequency"
As Pyr0 has stated you will have to pick your DDR Memory Frequency which is the memory divider. For instance, if you had your FSB to 450Mhz your DDR Memory Frequency would say 1800Mhz. If you select the DDR Memory Frequency you will see you have the option to change your memory to DDR 1400Mhz and lower and lower frequencys.
Hope that helps.
I just built a P5E3 primo and used G Skill DDR3 1600 ( the ones with the odd heatspreaders) and they run great at their rated speed. I simple set FSB to 400 and RAM to 1600 and called it a day lol...no tweaks required to run 2.0V 7 7 7 18
Are you running 2x2Gb set or 2x1GB set? I have 2 sets of 2x1GB G.Skill D9GTS and they run fine all the way up to 2000Mhz. I also have a set of Mushkin 1600Mhz 2x2GB D9GTS that are a litter tougher to get stable at 3.6Ghz and up. The problem is with either 4x1GB or 2x2GB getting stable at or above 3.6Ghz. I have achieved stability with 4x1GB and 2x2GB at and above 3.6Ghz 450FSB but I have to say it is not easy and takes many many many hours of testing and tweaking. That is currently Defratos problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberDruid
At their rated speed and timings (1600Mhz 7-7-7-18-2T) they run fine.
2.0V seems a bit high for this board. I've heard that it overvolts by a fair margin. I am currently running 1.78V for 4GB at 1600MHz 7-7-7 Performance lvl 6Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberDruid
Thanks for the clarification on the mem dividers guys.
My problem is that the memory that I have OCZ reapers 1600Mhz 7-7-7-24 do not go well with the P5E3 Motherboard, I've read loads of threads on this over at the OCZ forum, an they all end up tweaking the Skews which I don't want to get into unless its a real must. its fine on the second highest speed i.e. 1200Mhz or 1300Mhz or 1400Mhz, I only get instability problems once I run it at stock 1600Mhz (but I blame the specific memory I have)
I managed to get Linx to run yesterday for 1:21:13s (1.29CPUv - 1.54 PLLv - 1.32 VVT - 1.90 Dramv - 1.47NBv - 0.67 NB GTL v ref) until it found an error, the computer was fine to use for a good 3hrs after that without any issues. So I raised the NB voltage again to 1.49 and I managed to run 2:49:45s then the system froze, but at least its an improvement. I still have more tweaking to do, I'm thinking of raising the CPU v a little bit more.
BTW Deachus when you said earlier that I might need to play with GTLs now I wanted to clarify this, by GTLs do you mean only the NB GTL v Reference? or do you mean to also play around with CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2) & (1/3)???
I was referring to the CPU GTL's when I responded to you above.
Thanks for that Deachus, you seem willing to help me out, so I'll push my luck and ask more questions ;):
I'm confused as to what values to place in CPU GTL v Ref (0/2) & (1/3). I've read a few articles that have said GTL Ref values are a % of VTT some mention 67% for the high end and 63% for low end. but 'm still confused what does the 0/2 and 1/3 mean? which one would be higher and which should be lower? i.e. would one be 67% of VTT and the other 63%? and if so does that mean I would have ref (0/2) @ 0.67 and (1/3) @ 0.63?
I'm not really sure whats a good starting point and how to go about fine tuning it.
On another note, I did some tweaking last night, the day before I mentioned that Link found an error around 2hrs into the test, so yesterday I increased the Vcore to 1.30 just to see what happens, now it passed memtest in dos (test 5 & 7) so I just booted into windows and ran Link (I know I should have run memtest first) but I was in a hurry and just wanted to see what would happen. Well I came back home and found that it had finished Linx 2:57:57 with 0 errors found, but one problem, the computer was frozen (not too sure how long after the test finished that the system froze). so I restarted the computer and ran Memtest in windows which froze within 20min. So here's my dilemma I doubt that setting Vcore to 1.30 was the right way to go about it, I believe leaving it at 1.29375 was better (as it nearly finished Linx error free but found an error 20min before the end of the test) so if anyone can give me some advice as to where to start tweaking the GTL Ref with I'd really appreciate it.
I hope I haven't confused anyone (or bored anyone with my Noob like questions):rolleyes:
Ok I found out that CPU GTL Ref V (0/2) stands for core 0 & core 2, and (1/3) are for cores 1 & 3 :rolleyes:, learning something new everyday. I'm going to start with setting cpu (0/2) @ 0.63 (63%) and (1/3) @ 0.67 (67%) which I believe is supposed to be the default. But how would I go about tweaking this? I.e. if it's slightly unstable would I start by only increasing one GTL or would I increse both CPU GTLs in line with each other? Could they both be kept at the same values? or do you always need a higher and lower value?
0.63 is default for 45nm CPUs, 0.67 is the default value for 65nm CPUs. Both 0/2 and 1/3 should be the same for default. I'd recommend having a look at the GTL guide.
Oh I see, so both should be the same, so I'll start with 0.63 and work my way up, I always thought they had to be different.
BTW The link doesn't work :(
wait I got the link to work now thanks :up:
wow ok that link sort of confused me even more. He gives equations to use to work out what the 0.67 value would be based on my VTT, this is what I get:
1.30 x 0.667 + Y = 1.30 x 0.635
0.8671 + Y = 0.8255
Y = 0.8255-0.8671
Y = 0.0416
Y = -41mv
Now where the hell would I use this 41mv? whats the point? is it supposed to be the difference in voltage between the two GTLs? if so aren't the GTLs supposed to be the same figure?
and which of the two would you use this 41mv to add or subtract from? What am I missing here? :confused:
Ok just read a bit more, I guess I don't have to do any of this calculation nonsense since my board doesn't give me the option to enter a Y value in. So I'll just start with 0.63, but could someone still clarify whats the best way of going about tweaking? would I just slowly start raising both GTLs to see where it gets stable at?
P.S. I didn't mean to spam like this, just learning new things on the way
Yeah, the link is bad, somehow a v crept into the http part. Fixed. As for GTL values, the link explains that .63 is the multiplier based on default vTT - which for our boards is 1.1. GTL needs to stay at around default values for optimum stability, so when raising vTT, you need to compensate by lowering the GTL multipliers accordingly to make sure you end up with about the same value. If you raise GTL multiplier and raise vTT, your GTL value will now be far too high. For example, I'm currently running a GTL multiplier of 0.585 to compensate for my vTT value of 1.24 - this gives me a higher GTL than stock, but I found this to be more stable.
Ok I kept on reading that link till page 8, then my head got overloaded with info. I have taken notes on what I should roughly do, so I will try it out after work and I'll let you guys know how I get on. Thanks for the help SoulsCollective :up:
It's easy - for a default of 1.1 vTT, GTL is 0.63.
1.1 * 0.63 = 0.693, our stock GTL value. Accordingly, 0.693 / vTT = GTL multiplier. For a vTT of 1.2 that gives us 0.693 / 1.2 = 0.5775, and for a vTT of 1.26 that gives us 0.693 / 1.26 = 0.55. This gives us the default GTL values every time, but some users (such as me) are finding that a slightly higher or lower GTL value gives better stability. Work out what the default value should be for your current vTT, then experiment with raising or lowering the GTL multiplier slightly. Using Linpack (I recommend IntelBurnTest by AgentGOD of these forums), the results should be immediate within minutes - from 0.57 GTL to 0.58 I saw results go from two successful runs to ten.
Thanks for that Soulscollective, well I had some success yesterday, this is what I did:
I started by setting both CPU GTL v Ref (0/2) & (1/3) to 0.63, that didn't work, boot failed, so I tried 0.64 for both and it froze within one pass of Dos memtest, so I raised it one more so that both (0/2) & (1/3) were at 0.65 (1.30v x 0.65 = 0.845 so within range). Dos memtest passed 10 runs of Test 5 and one run of test 7. So I booted into windows, I ran windows Memtest on full ram for one hour, roughly (430% coverage) and it was fine, no errors found. So then I stopped memtest and launched Linx now within 3 min I got the dreaded blue screen and the dumping of physical memory message, and the computer restarted. So I decided NOT to change any settings, and just run Linx again from a fresh reboot to see if it'll run the test longer (as it had already passed all the others) so I started Linx for 100 runs on full ram, and after 3hrs and 17min it had passed with no errors, (kind of confused why it crashed at the beginning of the test earlier and now it passed the whole test with no problem), so anyway I restarted the computer to run Prime95 over night. Woke up this morning to find that it had frozen 2hrs 56min into Prime, but no errors on any of the cores up to that point.
Here's a screen shot of Linx finished:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...atos/LinxP.jpg
So now I'd like suggestions as to what I can do to make my system more stable, it already passes memtest (windows and dos), LinX, but froze on Prime 95? I will also run OCCZ and I'll download Intel burn test and see if they pass as well. I just got two simple questions:
1- Why did Linx crash in the beginning after windows memtest but passed with flying colors after I rebooted the computer?
2- What could have caused Prime95 to freeze nearly 3hrs into priming? (no errors were found up to that point) my Bios settings are below:
CPU Ratio: 8
FSB Strap: 333
FSB Frequency: 400
PCIE Frquency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1601
DRAM Command Rate: 2N
Timings: 7-7-7-24
DRAM CLK Skew A: Norm
DRAM CLK Skew B: Norm
DRAM Static Read & Write: Disabled
CPU v: 1.29375
CPU GTL v Ref (0/2): 0.65
CPU GTL v Ref (1/3): 0.65
CPU PLL v: 1.54
FSB Termination: 1.30
DRAM v: 1.90
NB v: 1.49
NB GTL v Reference: 0.67
LLC: Norm
CPU SS: Disbaled
PCIE SS: Disabled
Anything I haven't listed above is on Auto
Downloaded Intel Burn test, and it passed the 5 runs and 10 runs:rolleyes::
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...IntelBurns.jpg
BTW: Is Linpack the same as LinX? or is Linpack Intel Burn Test?
and am I to assume that my system is 24/7 stable or not really? I've still got to run OCCT, Prime 95 overnight (again) and Memtest overnight, or am I just being a bit anal? :shrug:
I would say you might need to up your CPU voltage a little bit more and then run Prime95 overnight. I had the same problem you did, I passed Memtest86, HCI Memtest, LinX 100 runs but failed in prime in the 1-2 hour range. I upped my Vcore one notch and the system has been 100% stable ever since. My system is running extremely fast right now and I am very happy.
When I raise voltage for my CPU would I have to do all the tests agaiin? Or could I rest assured that it will not change the results & only Run prime?
Well to say you are 24/7 Prime95 stable you would need to run Prime95 again. I ran LinX 100runs and passed then ran Prime95 overnight after upping the Vcore one notch and everything passed error free. I also looped Vantage 3 times and that ran great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defratos
Ok well, I increased my vcore to 1.30v last night, but I also increased the VTT to 1.34v (was @ 1.30v) because I've read VTT should be a few notches more than Vcore. Since I upped the VTT I also had to play around with the GTLs and I lowered it from 0.65 to 0.64. Anyway Prime ran error free for 3h 18m before it froze. So now I'm going to try Vcore @ 1.30v, VTT @1.30v and GTLs both @ 0.65.
I'm kind of confused why I would need 1.30v for vcore when I'm only running 3.2Ghz or is this normal? I know I'm soo close to being 24/7 stable, there just seems to be something holding my system back after 3hrs of stress testing on any program :shrug:
Try to lower your vtt instead? or have you done that? im at 1.22 and more just gets it more unstable.. tweaking the GTL is like night and day when you get it right..
I use the method, 0.80/VTT=GTL value in multiplier, as a basic instep, it usually wants like 0.8v REF or little more, im at 1.22 with 0.69 thats 0.84v ref. but every chip is diffrent.
but as a start this is good.
Getting right GTL is important, when setting the wrong for me it was error from 3 mins, to rigt GTL over an hour.
I haven't tried to lower VTT, the lowest I've set it is 1.30 just because I read somewhere that I should "always" keep VTT a few steps above vCore which I'm not sure if its right or not. I'll try lowering it and see if that gives me any help. Increasing Vcore is not helping its most stable around 1.29375 so I'll try lowering VTT and see how that goes, and yeah I agree once I got GTLs correct I could get my computer to pass every stability test, but anything over 3.5hrs seemed to freeze the computer.
Well, I've got it that you should never keep VTT in Line with vcore, doesnt matter if its lower or higher, but not in line with it, it will interfere with the current and make "white noise" or how you say.. :) even if I matched up the GTL when raising Vtt, it did only get worse. maybe if you goal is to get 550fsb stable then you need that much.
ok I see, I just lowered VTT to 1.28 and had Vcore at 1.29375, computer froze while priming around 30min into the test. so I'll try a lower VTT and see how that goes
Good :) and dont forget the GTL either.. remember my formula :) it works actually ..
Be prepared that Vdimm and Latencys can affect things more than you think to, its not all about the voltages, one notch wrong on vdimm will make an hour in stabilty sometimes. Man i have been in trial and error SO MANY times finding these things out, im in one now where Large FFT's crashes in 7 mins, now i have to go trial and error for hours :)
Ok, now I need help too :)
i Cant for the world not get my NB/Ram settings stable.... CPU are stable as i have tested that to make sure, but LARGE ffts crashes, my changes just increase or decrease a little in my tests, and now are we talking about max i get is 7 mins, lowest about 2 mins, and if i change more than this, it doesnt get better, so i dont get it actually, why?
CL settings 7-6-5-16 60 , vNB 1.49~ VTT 1.20 , nb GTL 0.61, NB skew auto, CPU skew Auto, right now im trying advance 100 and advance 200 on CTL skew..
but it just wont work, 4mins now as counting... higher or lower on the voltages dont help, found 1.98-2.02 for vdimm nothing else more stable, lower than 1.49 unstable on vnb, higher even so... so must be some skew tweaking that has to be done?
Thanks for that Infa, yeah I recalculate my GTL ref voltages every time I change VTT, I keep it in the 0.80-1.0 range, usually 0.8 something. As for Vdimm and Latencys I have kept this at standard recommended settings from OCZ. The main issue with me is the ram does not like the motherboard I have, so they need more tweaking, I can get the system stable at lower than standard speed i.e. anything lower than 1600Mhz will work, but I want it to run at it's advertised and "stock" speed which is 1600.
Bloody hell you're running 4.5Ghz, I'd be satisfied with 3.6Ghz ;), still trying to get 3.2Ghz completely stable. Hope you find a solution to your problem, I know I won't be of much help, and yeah I know all about trial and error, I've already been through over 60 tests and bios settings to get this far (and I've got the proof) I'll post it up once I've gotten things stable.
My aim today is to drop VTT down to 1.2 and work my way up and see what gets better stability.
Heh, No problems man :) i like to share my knowledge! well i got a dual and you a quad they are quite diffrent from each other though...
now the test ran 13 mins... ahh...more testing, driving me crazy :)
Usually quads need more VTT, but not allways as every chip is different, why not aiming higher? and try to get it stable from there instead? 3.6? 9450 is multi 8 right? how high can you get your FSB?
Yeah it is multi 8, I haven't really tried to push it above 400fsb (noob here) but I would be over the moon if I could get it to 450fsb. I just want to try and get a stable system sooner rather than later and seeing how I've spent so much time on 3.2ghz I'd rather get that 100% stable and then work on 3.6Ghz.
I forgot to ask something. When setting CPU GTL v Ref I place the same figure for both (0/2) & (1/3), now at stock I believe one is at .63 and the other is at .67, should I keep these two separated by the same amount? because so far I've put the exact same GTL settings for both.:shrug:
OMG now i have trail and errored for 2 days, NOTHING works damnit.... it has been like this before on this board, i find a stable setting, then suddenly it's not anymore. and i have to retweak or take out and in the RAM, change place or something, and it got stable again, but now nothing works, tried more, less volts, diffrent cpu and nb skew, IT DONT work, it allways fail in OCCT after 3-6 mins. help me? i usally get this right on my own, but now im lost, perhaps the RAM has gone bad? been keeping it at 2v all the time and that shouldnt kill them all of a sudden... will keep on trying some stuff, but suggenstions would be nice :)
regards.
EDIT: maybe a little bit unclear, but Im talking about RAM stability :)
Ok, now i dont get whats up, memtest now passed 270%, and no error :) OK! maybe its OCCT 3.0 thats up? a bug? couse this makes no sense :)
will test Prime LARGE instead and see....bbl.. :)
EDIT: Hmm, Dunno whats up again :) but prime fails too, but ONLY at FFT size 1792, its fine until it gets there, then it BSOD,or reboot.. is it to large to handle? what sizes are usual to test? Prime's own settings for "large" fft's are 128-1024, and i take it as if THAT passes then its fine?
but BLEND mode uses upto 4096, and i can't do anything that will help my p.o.s to get past 1800fft ?
gaah, bad memory? i can put dual memtest when i sleep to see if it errors, but it didnt error after 1h10m atleast.
I just got done trying to beat my 505FSB wall. I was able to bench 1M and 32M @ 510FSB which is my highest yet. I beat both my 1M and 32M personal best. The 32M beats my HWbot 32M Q9450 1st place record.:eek:
I also lapped my Q9450 and True120 Extreme Black. They were both extremely concave. Temps are much better now;)
Nice :) Any chance you can update your linked to profiles for 0605?
Sure, what profile are you looking for? 510FSB Profile? I ran this in my chiller. Idle temps 19C / Load max 47C
I would not advise running this profile with air or plain water cooling.
I was hoping for all of them :p: Seriously though, I was referring to those linked to in sig. Would be good to have a look at what worked for someone else with a quad.
Well you can download all the ones I have uploaded by clicking on the link in my sig. I will upload the 2 I have been playing with for the past 2-3 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoulsCollective
Here's a picture of my Q9450 before I lapped it. Both my Q9450 and True120 Extreme are nice and shiny with a mirror finish now!
I know the feeling Infa, and yeah it sucks. I'm still trying to get my 3.2 stable, I've gotten a bit further but I still need a good week of testing I'm hoping before its 100% stable.
What is lapping? and why do people lap their cpus? how do you lap a CPU?:shrug:
wow making friends by the minute, cheers for that SoulsCollective :up:
As you can see in the picture if you followed Soulscollective link you will see that your processor is not making full even contact with the CPU IHS because it is not perfectly flat from the factory. The point of Lapping is to get a perfect, flat surface for your HSF to mount on. I always lap my heatsink as well to ensure both are perfectly flat for best contact.
This time around was probably the worst I've ever seen a CPU and heatsink. Both were extremely concave. I am maxing out at 63C now running LinX were before lapping I was maxing out at 71C. Not a bad drop in temps.
yeah I followed his link, made much more sense then. I think I'll have a go at it too, but when "lapping" the heatsink is it the same process as for the CPU? and can you see how concave it is as clearly as the CPU pics in the link?
One other thing, I'm surprised you guys are getting such high temps on your CPUs, I'm maxing out at 60c, I hardly see 61c and the outside temp here is 30c constant, but I do have the AC on which brings room temps down to 23c-26c, or are you getting such high temps because you're running your CPU at 3.7Ghz or probably more now since it looks like you're testing (again:up:)..
Yes, we are getting higher temps because we are running higher overclocks with more Vcore then you are at 3.2Ghz. Also, my ambient temps are much higher than yours and my PC is next to a heat vent in my house. Obviously the shots at 510FSB are a complete different story because they were run in my A/C chiller at very low temps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defratos
Yes, to lap your heatsink you do the same thing as you did with the CPU. Its much easier than you think and these new CPU's don't have pins like s478 so the process is much easier. I used 400, 600, 800 & 1000 grit wet/dry sandpaper that I had sitting around from a few case painting projects. Start out with the 400grit with a few drops of water on it. Put your CPU on the sandpaper with IHS side down, put firm pressure on CPU and move in a circle motion or up and down motion spinning the CPU every 30 seconds. I do this on the 400 until I can see all copper then work my way up to 1000grit and stop when I have a mirror finish.
Then take alcohol and q-tips and clean the cpu off. Polish the top with a cotton rag and put back in the motherboard. Repeat the same steps for the heatsink. You will know right away how concave your cpu or heatsink is by starting the sanding process. If you only see the center or 2 sides of the CPU wearing away then you know the IHS is concave because only small areas are making contact with the sandpaper. My True120 Extreme Black was extremely concave. Took alot of sanding on the 400 grit to get a flat surface to work with.
nice sounds like fun, thanks for the info buddy:up:
I've given up on trying to get 4gb @ 1600Mhz with 3.2Ghz, So I lowered the ram to the second highest speed (think it was 1280Mhz) anyway with that speed the computer is 24/7 stable (will post pics when I get home).
Now I've gotten the system "pretty" stable at 3.4Ghz with (I think 1360Mhz), it passes dos memtest, OCCT, Intel Burn, LinX, the only problem I've got now is anything over 3hrs on either Prime95 or windows Memtest and I get the damn blue screen and system restarts. I dunno why but I have a feeling it could be a hardware problem I'm not sure.
When I'm not stressing the system then I can use it anything from 3-6hrs with no problem, but it has crashed (blue screen) once while using the computer normally so I'm a bit confused as to what it could be. I haven't played around with Voltages much since 3.2Ghz so I might need to play with these a bit more. What voltages would you say will require tweaking when going from 3.2 to 3.4Ghz all I can think of is the CPU voltage (which I'm pretty sure is good, currently at 1.29375) does 3.4ghz generally require less Voltage than 3.2Ghz?
I was able to get some subzero runs in at -6.9c ambient.
CPU 1.44v Bios 16C idle / 38C load
eVGA 9800GTX Superclock
vGPU volt mod 1.30v idle / 1.33v load
Max Core 905Mhz / Mem 1230Mhz
11C idle / 39C load
stock HSF
Vantage is running great but 3DMARK 06, 05, PCMARK05 are all giving low results. I am going to switch back to older drivers and test again.
I haven't given up on this system yet but I have hit a FSB 512Mhz wall. I will wait till Core i7 matures and then jump on in 2009.
ok, so I'm going crazy--I signed up to post this....I've had the computer for 6 months or so--I had it somewhat stable on bios 4(something?)--but I started getting periodic bsods again, so I updated....and then it's been downhill ever since
please, please help me...nothing I have done has helped, and I produce music (not for a living, but for school, and I'm a signed artist)--and my computer not working properly is crippling.... (by the way if you have an idea of an alternative setup that would be better for music production (hopefully at least still using the mobo), let me know--I do everything on the computer--i have no hardware synths or anything)
my config:
mobo: asus p5e3 premium
cpu: 9450
ram: 4x1 (though I've dropped 2 of them because of instability--so now 2x1)--ocz3p1600eb2gk....I know I should upgrade to a 2x2 kit...which I'm going to do....I'm thinking ddr2 1066 because of the problems with ddr3...even underclocked---what do yall think?
video card: radeon 3850 512 mb (was going to crossfire...but too tough to get stable)
os: xp
hd: seagate 1tb 7200 rpm
current settings...i'll let you know what i've tried after (i've read all of this topic twice...and basically every thread on every forum that i could find....)
--after all of that, this is the most stable I could find...it works for general computing, and to a large extent for audio editing / producing...but
it bsods: a. whenever I run utorrent, b. whenever I run chkdsk (always at 76%--hd error?) (also i've been getting these errors: An error was detected on device \Device\Harddisk0\D during a paging operation.--in event viewer...but not whenver i get bsods..i'm not sure when exactly they happen)
c. after leaving the computer on for awhile d. when have a lot of tabs open e. arbitrarily
bios 605
cpu ratio: 8
fsb strap: 333
fsb freq: 333
pcie: 100
dram: ddr 1066
dram cmd: 2n
timings-- 8-8-8-26
dram skew: clock a1 and a2 and b1 and b2 --delay 250
dram stat read: disabled
dram dynamic write: disabled
ai clock: light
ai trans: man
cpu perf level: 8
voltages:
dram: 1.84
llc: normal
cpu spread spectrum: disabled
pcie spread spectrum: disabled
cpu clock skew: delay 400
nb clock skew: delay 200
things that I have tried in the past few weeks (for an ungodly amount of time--but i have a lot less time now because of exams)
cpu voltage: 1.28-1.33
cpu pll: 1.5-1.6
fsb term: 1.3-1.4 ish
dram volt: 1.7-1.9
nbv: 1.3-1.53
nb gtl: .61, .67
clock--lighter to stronger
dram cmd rate: 1n, auto
tried each stick by itself, and i get exactly the same kinds of problems
one more point of information: when i first had my cpu, i had a new fan that i used twisty ties to keep in (i bought it in another city, and it came without a part of the bracket)...when i moved to my new apartment it broke and the fan stopped working--stupidly, i ran it overnight, checked the next morning and each core was running around 90 deg c.....anyway...i got a new fan and now it runs at 45 or so idle and with intelliburn, it gets up to 65 or so (not too bad)...but so i don't know if i've fried it or something--although i suspect not, as it was quite stable until a few weeks ago
please, please, please help me
ddr2 won't work in this board, if you need your computer for your work why overclock it. run it as standard do you still get the faults. Also when it blue screens have you managed to get the code.
Have you tried putting the memory through its paces with memtest. also are you using the latest chipset drivers.
It could be any number of items causing the problem hardware or software so it may take a bit to find.
Oh ya you said you've just moved have you checked to make sure all the cables are seated correctly.
memtest went all night two nights ago--29 passes: no errors
the blue screens usually are just a general error code--sometimes there are different screens (which are just different general codes).
but now there's another, bigger problem:
so...now my os won't boot...it just stays at the windows loading screen indefinitely...................regardless of the bios settings, it still happens (i'm writing this message from safe mode (which thankfully still works))
anyway, i think i'm using the latest chipset drivers...not sure but i did just install #4 on this page (which i think is the latest mobo chipset driver)
i looked around at the cables--and pressed most of them in--they seem to all be fine....
chkdsk through the recovery console still freezes
worse..when i try to repair/upgrade i get this "file copy error" : "an error occurred copyingfile ax57od42.sys..."
the file doesn't turn up with a google search.....the consensus among ppl i know is that it's either a mobo issue or an hd issue--and my gut--given the incessant bsods (and not disk / data problems except etc--tells me that it's the mobo......
anything i can do?
could be a HD issue this board has two sata controllers on you can try to swap between the two or even try any of the ports and see how it goes. Could be spyware, virus issue have you given it a good scan with a few different scanners. And last but not least go for a windows clean install, i'd put the BSOD's as more of a driver issue, with most mobo problems ive come across its either it works or doesn't the fact it's booting is a good sign, and it passes memtest also is a good sign for a hardware. If i was you i'd get a new hard drive as there not too expensive do a fresh install on that, to save important info and you can recover that later.
Dam my mate just found out most his bsod issues were caused because his sata cable was routed too close the the mobo power cable.
Good luck and keep us updated
Set your DRAM command rate to 2N. I've not had to adjust CPU clock skew or NB clock skew. I did find that a delay of 300 for DRAM clock skew for both channels did help me with stability. Power supply?
@ Newal
I had the exact same modules (ocz3p1600eb2gk) as you use at this moment. They caused me a lot of problems getting them stable at 1600Mhz when I was on bios 0505. I could still exchange them and got me some Corsair memory. I installed it (still bios 0505) and worked flawlessly. I would recommend to stay away from OCZ with this board although Reapers seem to work fine. The only people I saw that could get OCZ memory to work on this board is with Reaper modules.
Moreover I would first put everything back to auto settings en perform a clean install of Windows (maybe on a new disk as well). This way you make certain no manual bios settings will cause the problems. You can start OC'ing at a later moment.
I am glad your system is working, but do u have any idea how much money and time you have wasted regarding the companies you RMA'd with? Just because you n00bed out dude, you need to stop blaming hardware errors on anyone but yourself. I make damn sure my parts are malfunctioning before they are sent back. 90% of the time it's just me forgetting a setting or doing something slightly wrong. Either way point is, SOO many RMA's don't need to be set up. Situations like yours will make it so the wise and knowledgeable will have an increasingly hard time dealing with these companies because of people like you. Not trying to be a :banana::banana::banana::banana: man, but next time just make damn sure YOUR not the problem. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Donster
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Originally Posted by nexxusty
Dude there WERE faulty bits of hardware in my system ... psu/gfx! Im 100% sure lots of techys on this forum would have been baffled by my issue, how the hell was I to know it was my TV? It did the same on the headphones when next to the set, you crack me up with your "noobie" comments, if you’ve nowt to say decent don’t comment.
Does anyone here uses OCZ3RPR18004GK memory in combination with the 0605 bios?
I want to upgrade to 4Gb and Corsair memory is still very expensive at 1800Mhz. I found a webshop in my country that sells OCZ Reapers for 225,- euros. However my previous experience with OCZ 1600EB edition isn't really perfect to say the least. Wasn't possible to get the memory stable at advertised settings although this was on the 0405 or 0505 bios.
Im just starting out with overclocking my system and have run into problems (like most folks here have) with what settings with equipment. I spent the last 2 days going through boards to try to see what settings to try and experiment with. First off, this is the gear:
Asus P5E3 Premium Wi-fi-AP w/ 0605 bios
Intel Q9450
CORSAIR 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1800 (PC3 14400)
areca ARC-1231ML-1G PCI Express SATA II Controller Card w 2x MTRON 7500 (Raid 0)
GeForce GTX 280 HC16 Clear
ZALMAN ZM - Reserator1 V2 Water Cooling System
I started out with this
CPU Ratio 7.5
FSB Strap Auto
FSB Freq 450
DRAM Freq 1800
Dram Cmd Rate 2N
Timing 7-7-7-20-2T
Static Read Disabled
Static Write Disabled
CPU Voltage 1.325
CPU GTL (0/2) Auto
CPU GTL (1/3) Auto
CPU PLL Auto
FSB Term Volt Auto
DRAM Volt 2.0
NB Volt Auto
NB GTL Volt Auto
SB Volt Auto
Clock Over Volt Auto
Load Line Normal
CPU Spread Spec Disabled
PCIE Spread Spec Disabled
CPU Clock Skew Auto
NB Clock Skew Auto
The system booted up and CPU-z showed a Clock 3375 Mhz
I then tried
CPU Ratio 8
FSB Strap 400
FSB Freq 450
DRAM Freq 1800
Dram Cmd Rate 2N
Timing 7-7-7-20-2T
Static Read Disabled
Static Write Disabled
CPU Voltage Auto
CPU GTL (0/2) Auto
CPU GTL (1/3) Auto
CPU PLL Auto
FSB Term Volt Auto
DRAM Volt 2.0
NB Volt Auto
NB GTL Volt Auto
SB Volt Auto
Clock Over Volt Auto
Load Line Normal
CPU Spread Spec Disabled
PCIE Spread Spec Disabled
CPU Clock Skew Auto
NB Clock Skew Auto
The problem is that when I boot up and start up CPU-z it shows a core speed of
2700.3Mhz, 6x multiplier, Bus speed 450.0Mhz.
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uplo...66d414378d.jpg
As soon as I actually run a program (super PI), it changes to
3600.2Mhz, 8x multiplier, Bus speed 450.0Mhz
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uplo...7f8a3d2637.jpg
Any reason why the multiplier would go up/down dynamically based on load? I have speed stepping turned off in the bios.... So Im thinking I need more voltage on the NB, any ideas?
Also thanks for the posts/info from deachus and SoulsCollective. You guys have solid info on this thread.
So whats the verdict on this board guys ? im looking for a new board, this board seems sweet?
I think the board is great. You can adjust the settings any way you want. You can also not only save the BIOS settings in 2 'profiles' but you can also upload profiles that other people have made for you to use.
If anything the minus to this board is that you can adjust SO many things that some folks seem to get a bit lost/overwhelmed with all the things you can do.
Having to many settings if fine with me, was looking at the striker 2 extreme, that board has so many issues it aint funny, thanks for the heads up.
It's a nice board if you got the patience and Bios habit, or else it will destroy you :)
Haven't noticed any problem with it so far atleast, no incompability or so, no BSOD becouse of the board itself, all Bsods are based on my OC or faulty settings, but at this price it is now it is not defenable against i7 anymore, thats the glitch.
peace.
Its nice to see a thread about this board! All in all it's a good board although I would like more manual overclocking bios options eg. 4 CPU GTLs etc but I guess that's why they have a Rampage Extreme :)
A very good board is my verdit. Apart from some BSOD issues which have now seemed to be very few and I have been running 24/7 3.75GHZ on Q6600 and Cellshock 1864mhz memory . I can OCCT, Prime for ages but then random BSOD screens have appeared, but it seems to have settled as (touch wood) don't remember last time I saw one lol.
Very easy to overclock apart from the BSOD issue. I would defer now to i7 in fact this weekend I have just done that i920, PT6, and 6GB Corsair 1600. At one time I did regret the upgrade though from Maximus Formula DDR2, but that was because of the random reboots.