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Originally Posted by [XC] Jaco
hmm.. i was thinkin the same thing.....
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Originally Posted by [XC] Jaco
hmm.. i was thinkin the same thing.....
Guys, some important info in case anyone wants to build another monster rig using the Z7S:
Do NOT use the Intel 9 series chipset drivers if you're running a Raid 0 with 2 Velociraptors and Vista 64.
Took me all of one day to figure out what went wrong, I experienced severe stuttering during 3D benches (Far Cry 2, Crysis etc) and eventually, freeze/BSOD. Also the Intel Storage Manager kept claiming one of the HDDs was faulty. So after scanning both drives repeatedly for errors and finding none, I just reinstalled Vista and this time, used the drivers from the Asus CD (which contains version 8,6 of the Intel driver) and voila, it works just fine now.
Rig specs: Dual X5450, Dual HD4870X2 CF, 4x2GB Buffalo FBdimms, 2x 300GB VR in Raid 0, 1TB WD RE3, Dual PSU, CPUs/GFX/HDDs watercooled, Dual pumps, 3 Dual rads :wasntme:
Maybe some pics tomorrow ;)
Unfortunately, I found my budget just wasn't going to match my desires. I had ever so grand plans for the Asus Z7S WS, with a pair of Xeon 5400 series at a couple hundred bucks each, plus about $1000 worth of RAM (16 GB), plus the top of the line case and power supply and a Blu-Ray DVD burner for optical drive, and probably a set of SCSI SCA drives in an Icy Dock enclosure. All told, that desire was going to cost at least 3 to 4 times what I ended up with for a budget, and thus I posted what I ended up with.
I had learned a great deal from this thread, and it definitely helped me improve the process of getting that hardware together, so I felt it appropriate to give back in the form of details on how it all turned out.
Steve
(aka sgmunson)
:):):)
what version of windows??Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Vista (Ultimate, not important, all Vista Versions are the same really) 64 like I said.
ok, ill remember that, i am using vista64 with a raid 0...
I figure the next time I update, it will have to be to a system with 64GB of RAM or more, and probably at least 32 cores, if not 64. However, back in the REAL world, I'll settle for finding a Vista 64-bit driver (for Ultimate) for a Panasonic LF-PB271 (OEM version) Blu-Ray DVD Drive with Read & Write capability for Blu-Ray discs. I started my Vista Ultimate 64-bit install and it's looking for a driver disk... I've searched the web for the last 3 hours and haven't come up with much more than what might be a firmware updater program. Even Panasonic's site seems strangely empty of any drivers for it.
Any/all help appreciated.
Steve
(aka sgmunson)
:):):)
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Originally Posted by gongo
hmm, ill see if i can find one..Quote:
Originally Posted by sgmunson
I just found the following MS KB article: 928253, which does a great job of describing the problem I have. The only difference is that I'm seeing this problem during installation.
However, given the nature of the problem, it seems likely that the way to get to a solution is installing a regular ole IDE DVD-ROM drive temporarily until I can get Vista installed, and then installing the new SATA DVD drive as an "upgrade".
I'll have to give this a try and then maybe send Microsoft a bill for the SATA DVD-ROM I ordered last night after talking to them and having their only suggestion be to try a different DVD drive.
I've also found several other articles online that suggest for 64-bit Vista installation:
1.) Disconnect any HD's other than the one you're installing on (MS suggested this too, and I complied with no effect).
2.) Remove any/all peripherals
3.) Remove any RAM beyond 3GB
As for the logic behind any of that, all I can say is that those kinds of limitations existing just to install the operating system mean that either the programmers at MS are extraordinarily incompetent, or that their managers are for not taking into account the potential existence of those conditions.
Steve
(aka sgmunson)
do you have a working system with an extra pen drive?? you could do what i did and make a vista install usb stick..
i just recently went threw this forum and noticed that it might be possible that i mounted my cpu heatsink wrong,
now my case is comos s and did not have the socket "771" screw holes,
but the motherboard came with these rectangular shapped peaces and a black rubbery softish smaller rectangular padding that i thought was sopouse to be used to mount the heatsink, do i make a mistake in my actions? and can this cause any problems to my motherboard, everything seems to be fine right now
was it a bracket with 4 screw holes in it?? or was it the spring piece??
my water blocks use that same method if you have the bracket/rubber piece..
im using the exact same method as you are,
thank God lol,
p.s what waterblocks do you use? im planning to upgrade to liquid and a dual loop setup, but i can't find a good water block
the correct method is to use the square peice with 4 screw holes and put the correct height standoffs into it, then place the spring clip on top of that with the plastic peice between the spring clip and the motherboard.
what plastic peice are you talking about?
hmm.. im thinking of remounting it this weekend,
yay.
its a floppy peice of black plastic with two large square holes in it.
Greetings to you all! I have been reading this thread from early summer and finaly I have time to attend my self. Thanks to all of you for your magnificent insight. And thanks to s0lid his help :D.
So I started to plan my rig last spring. My goal was and still is to build a rig for HD-media, a platform that can record multiple HD-cameras (3 or 4) at the same time to the RAID array including the sounds (atleast 16 channels). In addition it should perform as all included postproduction station. Could this rig still be a bit portable :rolleyes:? Maybe if it stays under 40kg in weight.
I'm also going to get my self a efix chip and test if it could run Mac, Win XP, Vista and Linux. Well I don't need Linux but I just want to keep old skills alive. Have any of you tested that Efix chip?
This is what I have:
2 x 5420 xeon
1 x 8800 GTX
2 x EK-Supreme WB's
1 x EK 88GTX WB
Kandalf LCS case (I think the radiator and pump in it are not good)
2gb of Kinston FB-dimm 667 (for first test)
Asus Z7S WS
Areca RAID card
1 x 500gb WD AAKS hdd
2 x WD 1tb black caviar hdd's (getting later 8 or 10 of these)
+ the essential peripherial
And all of these parts have been lying around my house for couple of months. I have been too busy at work to start on this project. But finaly the time has come and today I will go and start working with the waterblocks to get them fit on the Z7S.
My broblem with my rig is that I don't think the coolin power of the Kandalf's radiator is enough. The tubins are mostly 3/8 but in and out from the radiator the tubings are 8mm. I was thinking to buy 12V Laing D5 Vario/Swiftech MCP655 Pump and some new reservoir, but what should I buy as for the radiator(s) so I could get them to fit in or on the case and they would have enough cooling power for the whole thing? And yes I'm going to OC it :yepp:
Edit:
It seems that Thermochill PA120.3 doesn't fit in the case front. Black Ice stealth 360 GT X-Flow would fit but is it enough? And if I fit some other (maybe 120x1 rad) in addition to the back does one MCP655 create enough flow for the system?
So when I get back home from my girlfriends parentes place :shocked: I can post you the dimenssions of the Kandalf and some pictures if you need. I would realy appreciate the help with this.
i talked to the guys at EFIx, they said they will never support ASUS, you can install a hack version, I used Ideneb 10.5.5 and it worked, but my video cards wont work in OSX(4000 series)
but if you want to take the plung and test the efix for the hell of it, be my guest, ill be the 1st in line to buy if it works.
Anyone know if OWC's RAM overclocks well?
http://eshop.macsales.com/MyOWC/Upgr...=Show+Upgrades
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deagol
Hi there,
don't worry, those 5420's produce hardly any heat, even if OCed. You won't get higher than ~3,2Ghz on those chips due to FSB limitation, which they will run at stock Vcore or even undervolted, so you need max. 150W for both CPUs. Throw in another 180W max for the 8800 GTX and you'll be perfectly fine with a BIC GT 360.
However, EK Supremes are truly restrictive, so you'll need a decent pump to run 2 in one loop, so getting that laing might be a good idea.
Oh yeah, try and avoid the X-Flow. The normal BIC 360 GT is better.
Thanks for the good news. Wich one is better rad Black IceŽ GT Stealth 360 or XSPC RS360?Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Ah that is sad. Well I think that I will ask them what do they think does it work with asus or not at all. If it's maybe then I think I will try it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by shanems3
Don't think it matters much , a 360 rad has huge cooling capability anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deagol
Price and availability seem more important to me.
Just my humble opinion , not an expert in the WC field.
Hey Deagol
Welcome to XS m8 :D
Looking good this far :)
Jcool, if we BSEL mod our chip to 1600 instead of 1333 wouldnt that change our Ratio from 1:1 to 5:4? resulting in a bigger window to overclock..
with 667mhz ram it might help but with 800mhz ram you'll still be at 1:1 I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by shanems3
Hi s0lid! How are you today?
Thanks to you all for your ansvers. I think I will go for the XSPC RS360 rad. I'm a bit worried that will the pump make enough flow for the loop. Martins flowrate calculator estimates poor flow for it. We shall see.
Now the EK-Supremes fits nicely on the Z7S but not so beautifully as milkmandan's EK's ;)
Deagol, I'm fine :D
Could you post us some pictures (hw pr0n :ROTF:)
Btw if u use irc join to our irc channel which is xs.wcg @ Quakenet
I will arrange you some HW Pron in couple of days :shocked: if I get more sickleave tomorrow. Still little fever :(Quote:
Originally Posted by s0lid
Agreed..Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
And don't worry about the flowrate too much, the EK Supreme performs remarkably well even at very low flow rates, one laing will do the job more than well (I got a gigantic loop with 2x EK Supreme, 2 Rads, Raidcon and HDDs with one Eheim-based pump :D :rolleyes: )
well my problem is the only way i can see the 800mhz ram is to overclock the cpu to 3.6ghz since its 1:1.. i guess ill be happy with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Now i got to figure out how to keep the top video card cooler, top one is 70c and bottom is 40 c... big differance
As long as its 70 under load thats ok. If its going higher under load then you can use an application to control the GPU target temperature.
just did a log of it with HDMonitor PRO, while playing COD World at War, it got to 91c.. thats a little hot for my liking, the other one only got to about 55C.. about to order 2 Koolance water Blocks.. i just dont know if my 2 radiators will be enough..
Edit: just got another Radiator, Reservoir and GPU blocks.. ill use the same pump , but the GPU will have its own radiator to dissipate the GPU's heat
I'm getting my Laing maybe on friday or early next week :(. What do you think could thermaltake P500 pump handle those 2 EK's? Or shuold I just wait for the parts. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
This is so hard to be with out a good computer and sitting around waiting :ROTF:
I Just disassembled Kandalfs own loop. And for my wonder what do I find... It seems that there is algy in the system. I don't wonder no more why people are saying so bad things about TT. :D
Here is two picls of the stuff
Didnt put UV reactive dye in the water did you? People often put way too much in and it looks a lot like algea.
No. I just used thermaltakes ready to use mix (came with the case). It should be distilled water and glycol and UV dye. It's not slimy at all so you might be right that it's not algy. But I would not like to put that in my system again :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Just an FYI guys,
my Z7S is dead I'm afraid.. was testing a certain burnt mem and I guess it fried the mem VRM.. jumps straight to FF when powered on and you can hear strange alternating squealing noises coming from the coils around the mem sockets :(
Oh well... gonna buy a new one, RMAing this thing is gonna take ages I bet. Guess I'll have an RMAed mobo on sale in a few weeks ;)
That damaged memory stick killed your board ? that sucks :shakes:
I'm moving to Nehalem soon. The E5420's are on e-bay , the SM board goes to s0lid . The Asus Z7S stays here for a while though :)
Yeah, it worked fine in another Z7S so I thought I'd give it a try... bad idea.
I'm just glad I didn't send it to you :rolleyes:
jcool sorry to hear, but you are not alone. I was building my machine and couple hours ago I noticed that my second EK-supreme was missing the thumbnut's. I hope the board is not too bended from my rough hands. I did some McGyvering to get those EK's on the mobo ;). Also my order was delayd and the shop says they will get the Laing pump on friday, so it will be shipped on monday. I hope this P500 can do the job until that time. (not as bad as your prob. thou)
I'm about to test the loop in few minutes from now. Why the heck do I loan my stuff to my friends? Always when you need some thing it's not there. How the hell I'm going to power the pump now! Well Maybe I'll use this comp to do it.
Has any one got 4gb memory sticks in his Z7S? And if yes are those performing well?
jcool, what are you voltage settings to hit 4.06ghz, i am stuck at 3.7 on stock voltage, and i have nearly the same stuff as you..
Erm... I think 1,3125V set in bios, which equaled 1,23-1,24V Vcore loaded in prime95. The Z7S undervolts by almost 0,05V from stock, so you have to increase Vcore quite a bit to get the "real" stock Vcore. I was still running below stock VID (which is 1,250V for any X series Xeons).
I'm getting the Z7S WS tomorrow :D
I hope that the stock bios recognizes my CPU's ( Q5XQ ES) so i can upgrade the bios.
Good XEON coolers are realy hard to find here so i ordered 2 Thermalright HR-01 X coolers and hope they will do.
good luck, that cpu is not on there comp. listQuote:
Originally Posted by fast-server
http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/c...model=Z7S%20WS
hopefully the 401 bios will recognize it..
It should be with the latest bios
http://www.cpu-world.com/sspec/Q5/Q5XQ.html
It's a X5460 and that one is listed on the Asus site
Xeon(X5460) 3.16 GHz(1333 MHz FSB/12MB L2,C0) (supported with the latest bios)
When it won't boot due the old bios i have to grab the cpu's from my server to update the bios :eek:
If it's a C0, no worries. They work perfectly fine with any bios. Only issues with pre-0401 bioses and E0 CPUs...
Doesn't have any trouble with odd CPUs either, my E5440 ES (B1 step!) ran just fine...
jcool, how many points can you average with your rig on WGC
It does around 41,5k/d sustained average.. #5 of all the machines on WCG (560,000)
ofc right now it does 0,0.. man this sucks.
hmm, gonna have to tweak mine some more then, i cant get nearly that many points... 3 days of running , i only accumulated like 5k
that's WCG points... average BOINC points are somewhere around 5800/d.
sounds a little better, i got 15k of those..
Well you need to bear in mind that mine was specifically designed to crunch, that it does and nothing else. No downtimes, no other tasks taking up any CPU time, x64 OS with little to none background stuff running etc.
Ahh, true, i use this as my normal pc/gamming pc, but crunching always runs in the background..Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Same issue here.Quote:
Originally Posted by adam_dkh
But CPU-Z indicates it's PC2-6400 (400Mhz) memory. So it's 800 memory? :confused:
But why the h*** can I not OC past the 400 Mhz?
At FSB 401 it boots but freezes at testing.
At FSB 410 it doesn't boot at all.
Tried Vcore at 1.30 V (I have L5410 E0, they run at 1.212 V) and MCH at 1.3V.
BTW : they are 4x2 GB Kingston. Temps are usally at 60-70 C. PSU 1100W.
So what am I doing wrong?
NB too hot? What's your VTT voltage in bios? Try 1,35V MCH and maybe 1,86V Vdimm.
Hello jcool,Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
VTT = 1.084V
tried 1,35 for MCH and 1.86 Dimm. No luck.
Maybe Northbridge, but will this be hot immediately after boot (as at 410 is doe'sn't boot at all) ??
hmm, will try a 80mm fan on the NB.
Usually if it doesn't boot, it's the CPUs not being able to handle the FSB. But since your CPUs are E0 step, this seems unlikely. Dunno, you are the only one with L CPUs AFAIK.
see with mine i can boot 410 , but it becomes unstable. and if i adjust the Vcore to 1.325 where i want it. when i reboot, it tells me failed overclock, settings restored to factory default, so i just stick at 3.6ghz at 400fsb
Ok, so maybe we reached the max.Quote:
Originally Posted by shanems3
I'm now at 395, that's 100% stable and has no issues what so ever.
400 is ok , but not 100% stable, so I stick with 395 and just upgrade my processor in the future.
Thanks guys!
BTW: Is there a way to see the temp of the NB?
yeah, asus probe has the MB temp, that is the NB temp..
try 402 or 405 instead of 401?
Also test with the multiplier reduced.
anyone know of compatible waterblocks for the north/south bridges??
Thnx, what would be an acceptable/good temp ?Quote:
Originally Posted by shanems3
will give it try! MP is fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
i keep mine 35-40c...
tried other FSB's as suggested by STEvil, no luck :(
I'm a bit disappointed on the OC possibilities and I'm considering buying a i7 920 + Gigabyte X58.
Anyone interested in a Asus z7s ?
I'll soon have 2 as well, lol.
My replacement arrives tomorrow, finally. Let's just hope it's a good enough clocker like my past one was.
madaman666
i have the same issue, i don't know if its a bios problem or whatever, it
actully gets on my nerves to, whenever i oc it says it failed, i go into bios do the exact same settings oc works perfectly fine, run prime95 and no errors? hmm..
i was also thinking of moving to a i7 build!
anyone want to buy a z7s and qx9775 XD
The Z7S is still buggered with QX9775's...
explains the problems then.. ugh,
is there any word of a fix for it?
Read yesterday about the new Xeon 74xx 6-core serie.
Can't really tell for sure if it will also be available for 771 socket.
However that would shine another light on the Asus z7s.
Enough future upgrade power available for the upcoming year(s) ;)
I will stick with my z7s for the moment.
Hexacores will be socket 603 (or 604? one of those) only. You also need a quad socket mobo to utilize the full potential of these CPUs.. even though they are old tech, FSB266, 65nm and such. I'm willing to bet a high clocked Gainstown (Dual Nehalem) won't be much slower, if slower at all.
Also 4 of these CPUs will be ridiculously expensive, like in the 20k $ range with mobo and ram.
@jcool: What do you expect for the 771 Socket?
Will there be an upgrade/successor or will Harpertown be the end of the 771 socket?
No, I don't expect to ever upgrade my S771 rig. It is a beast as it stands, and will be for quite some time. In 2-3 years it might well be history, until then a 4Ghz Octacore will surely be a force to be reckoned with.
Nothing planned from Intel either AFAIK. The future for servers is Gainstown.
I'm getting an error 0x00000124. About once in 2 days. It just crashes doing some downloading/rendering. When i google there is a lot of discussion on this error:
1. Sounddrivers
2. Nvidia drivers
3. C1E (turn it of)
Nobody has a real solution.
I tested all my hardware, memory=ok, drives=ok, MB=no error. Tried using prime to get this error, but no error.
Checked all drives, there the latest.
Does anyone here have an idea (it happened in Vista 32 and 64)?
I suspect Core voltage, so I increased core voltage to see if this helps.
just did a google, that is a sound driver error or nvidia related..
My Dual Harper is finally back up again. New mobo seems to have no trouble running FSB 450 as well, running prime and memtest for a while tho just to be sure. I'm gonna have to cancel the whole WU cache anyways argh.
thats good to hear, wish my rig could run 450 stable...
You have C0 step CPUs right? They usually won't go above FSB 430 without VTT adjustment. So you gotta wait for VTT I guess... What is the max FSB you can run stable?
By the way, I got like the perfect mount on them this time, using just a tiny little bit of MX-2 paste my Coretemps are 56-56-56-56 on CPU 1 and 57-56-57-56 on CPU 2 after 10 Minutes of prime SmallFFT at 4,05Ghz :up:
My stable is 400, 410 gets a lil buggy, 420 boots, but as soon as you do something it goes beserk, bsod..
My temps get to about 60c under full load for 10 min, idle is around 45c, i need to redo my contacts on the heat sink,
hopefully they will release VTT settings .. doubt it..
Well my E5420's can do FSB 430 primestable, and they are early C0. Are you sure it's the CPUs FSB limiting you? Try with a lower multiplier in order to avoid running into a CPU mhz limit... also use 1,35V MCH and 1,83V Vdimm, improving the NB cooling is pretty important as well.
i am gonna have to get a better NB cooler then, all i have is stock, might see if i can find a fan to put on stock cooler..
@jcool: where did you buy your Buffalo memory? Can you tell me the exact type(number)?
Did you buy them as a KIT of 8Gb or as seperate items?
I suspect my Kingston is the bottleneck when oc'ing.
i have Simple Tech Memory, could be my bottle neck too.. i am gonna get the NB cooler, before i start screwing with voltages
Just attached 92mm silent fan to my Asus FBDimm cooler which has a 80mm fan. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by shanems3
Works like a charm.
i have aftermarket ramsinks(thermaltake) , they are fanless, but i do have the rear mount fan cooling them. I found some good heatsinks at work that are junk to them, but will work for me as a better Heatpipe heat sink than stock. It was designed for a Dell Server x5450 xeon processor, I am gonna make a bracket to hold it down to the NB , and possibly make another one for the southbridge, but i think that would be overkill..
what is your NB and Ram Temps?
No such thing as "overkill". If it does the job it's "just-enough-kill".
i like the way you think... lolQuote:
Originally Posted by D_A
Very nice setup!
That PSU is overkill tho ;) My X5450's run on a 500W crap unit lol :D
The mem I bought off my distributor's (Wave computer Germany) they are basically the same as Alternate/Mix Computer just cheaper :wasntme:
Actually I swapped mems, cause I was having difficulties with a build for a customer so I took my mems and put them in his rig (since I knew they worked well). The problem turned out to be a defective raid card tho, so I now have his ram in my rig.
Both were Buffalos (bought them as single sticks), my old ones were Samsung, new ones are Hynix chips. I can get you some if you like, also some Compustocx ones with flat heatspreaders (no need to modify cooling there, just slap a fan on it) for very cheap.
Tho I don't think it's the mem limiting you.. the Z7S can handle any mem exceptionally well from what I've seen.
well, if he is like me, my 750watt ps is a must, i have 5 HDDs, 2 video cards, board, with various USB hardware..
Ya well, I got 4 HDDs and a raidcon as well, soon to be 8.. but you're right, I have no real GFX card. 1100W is still overkill unless you want to run 2 HD4870X2.
true, 700w, was min for xfire 4850 1gb, so i went to 750w Thermaltake Truepower
my processors are doomed, 3.6ghz/400fsb is only stable overclock, guess it has to do with the CO stepping.. if i change the Vcore. on reboot, it gets stuck at FF, then i hard reset, overclock failed, default settings restored..
Guys,
I noticed an unpleasant bug with my new Z7S which the old one (which definitely was anotehr revision) didn't have.
As soon as I set Vcore manually and save, it reboots fine but hangs and says "Press F1 tor necover bios settings, F2 to load defaults and continue". When I then enter bios, all voltage-related settings are set back to default. I circumvented this by loading my saved settings again, disabling "press F1 on error" option (or similar), hit F10 and it booted up fine using the Vcore settings I set.
However, as soon as I reboot or shut down, the settings are lost again.
Now, I don't care much because I hardly ever reboot or shut it down (roughly every 6-8 weeks when some update or program keeps nagging about a reboot) but this should be a real PITA for people who want to use the rig as their main systems :(
And like I said, my old board definitely didn't have that problem. I guess Asus isn't done here yet, the bios still sucks.
That is MY EXACT problem, described to the T.... guess ill make a asus support ticket on it.
Yeah but my solution should work for you as well...
Just don't reboot :D
ha, yeah, but its to get a solid restart .... at 430-450 fsb