Whats the best ratio to go for? Better to go 1:1 or something else? My chip right now is priming at 400FSB 1:1, should i keep that or try another one? Im using gskill 8000HZ
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Whats the best ratio to go for? Better to go 1:1 or something else? My chip right now is priming at 400FSB 1:1, should i keep that or try another one? Im using gskill 8000HZ
I received my IP35 Pro on Friday and got it up and running with my QX6700. The problem is DIMM slots 1 and 2 appear to be completely dead. Tried 3 differents sets of RAM and only #3 and 4 work. So it will be going back shortly.
In the mean time I played around with it and managed to get 500x7 mostly stable. It would Prime for over an hour no problem but I experienced occasional reboots and freezes. A little more tweaking might have got it stable but I'm not going to waste too much time on a broken board. I'll try again when the replacement gets here.
@ace-a-rue
I saw your oc to 3700. I tried this since a few days but cant get it stable.
Did you ever run with your config Everests "System Stability Test"?
I can run mine on 3700, but not stable enough for 24/7. What else have you
set in uGuru? MCH Voltage? ICH Voltage? Anything else?
I hope you can give me a hint. :D
Helli
are you running the most recent beta bios?Quote:
Originally Posted by Circaflex
if so then the 1:1.25 (4:5) is probably the best to go with and the one right under that (can't remember what it is).
these are the ones that supposedly run off of the 1066 strap while the first two force the 1333 strap (supposedly).
don't feel bad. i got a first bad board as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by fallwind
mine though was a problem with the vdimm vtt not tracking properly.
it was almost 1/3 of the vdimm voltage (rather than 1/2)!!!
other than that, this board has been good to me so far.
Hi,Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
I've flash my board with the B04 bios but not flashed the boot block.
Is there a big pb?
For instant, everything is ok. I run at 3.6 Ghz (9 x 401) memory at 1002 Mhz 5/5/5/15.
Must I flash the board again with WD switch?
are you saying 3.9Ghz is not stable for you at 1.55 Vcore?Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
my definition of stable is: "what ever you do with the puter and it does not randomly reboot, freeze, BSOD or programs close out on you."
that's my definiton of a 24/7 computer!;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Helli
no, i have not run the stability test in everest...my definiton of 24/7, stable computer, is posted above.;) each user is going to be different...so far my puter hasn't done any of those things to me so i'm still meeting my definition of stable!:D
EDIT:...ACTUAL BIOS VOLTAGE FOR VCORE IS SET TO 1.6325...that is an actual 1.58 which fluctuates between 1.56 to 1.59...i do not intend on keeping this cpu for 3 years.:D
until i used the "WB" switch, my overall system performance was sub-par compared to my previously Abit AB9 QuadGT board...once i flashed the boot block...it soared right up there in overall performance....i think abit made the chipset latencies to be soft in the first bios release so the board would boot with almost any memory in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by HiS
Ok
thanks for you're help (and the others too).
I will try the flash with WB switch after work.
How do you flash the boot block and what is the WD switch?
it is the "WB" switch not WD...
like this: A:AWDFLASH.EXE M629B_11.B04 /py /sy /WB /cd /cp /cc /CKS
order of switches do not matter...award flasher has to only know what switches you want to enable and it handles everything from there....also, lower case or upper case can be used.
OR...you can use a USB flash drive if you want...floppy drive or USB flash drive.
After flash WB I can now pass 8 x 450. Really good ;)
Better perfs too.
Thx Ace-a-Rue
Welcome to 15 pages or so ago :DQuote:
Originally Posted by HiS
it was a good find by Ace.
on the other hand choosing to do it that way (& it appears to have been a deliberate design decision) means that if you run the x16 & the x4 you can still use the x1PCI-E whereas afaik boards like the DQ6 disable the x1 when the x16 & x4 are in use.Quote:
Originally Posted by shawn1998
It's 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other for most people.
LOL...he's like me...i don't want to read 15 pages or more...hehehe:DQuote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
i did everest stability test...i initially had a problem with running it in all four modes (cpu, fpu, cache and memory)...it would randomly reboot...but i just did the FPU, by itself, for about 20 minutes and then rengage all them and it handled it for 6 minutes...that is all i did before losing interest.:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Helli
here, again, are my voltage settings (bios set to 1.6325 for Vcore)...i should mention that my GTL is set to 69%.
Thanks for the attempt with Everest. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
I've tried similar values a few days ago, but as i said, Everest Stress Test
of all four Components, CPU/FPU/CACHE and Memory at the same time failed. Yes,
i can do Internet, writing in Word, start Excel but with applications they uses
all four cores, my rig will do a hard power off. :D
Only at 4x450 (3600) i'm able to run my rig unter full load stable.
For me as 24/7 BOINC User its essential that my Computer runs unter full load. :D
Thanks again for your try
Helli
1.55v is stable at 3.9GHz for my cpu but I'm worried about volts. I'm thinking of lapping my CPU in hopes of better temps/slightly better clock. I might also do the vdroop mod and see if it helps with stabilityQuote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
I notice your CPU VTT is 1.3, did that help marginally in clocking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
Any ideas why I still can't post at 520mhz? :(
Can someone link to the latest everest who support vista x64 ?
i won't be staying with this Q6600 for more than a year and a half...my wife will get it as a gift.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
as far as volts go for the vcore, it is up to you to figure out how long you will have it in your puter case...intel warranties them for 3 years if it is a retail copy...whatever makes you comfortable.:)
i find that 1.31v set in the bios for CPU VTT is slightly better than say at 1.27v.
OH!...6 minutes running everest stability, in my book, is a good as running it 24/7;)
EDIT:..i can't beyond 505 FSB at 7X, not even 6X...so...feel lucky if you can post at 515
In B04 Standby is broken in XP if you use a TCL lower than 5.
6 minutes doing all four everest tests simultaneous is an eternity to me and it is comparable in my mind of being 24/7;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Helli
That's the main Application, but every few days they release in theirQuote:
Originally Posted by Turbodream
board betas with supports the newest hardware.
http://www.lavalys.com/products/down...?ps=UE&lang=en
Helli
Six minutes? You must be a lucky guy. My best was 3 minutes, beforeQuote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
a hard power off destroys my dream of 3,7GHz. ;)
Helli
:D Yes!
it says this in the FAQ!Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbodream
Quote:
Q#8: Is it possible to use EVEREST on 64-bit Windows systems?
A#8: EVEREST has full support for 64-bit IA-64 Systems (Intel Itanium, Intel Itanium 2) and for 64-bit x64 Systems.
----------------------------------------------------------
Q#9: Does EVEREST support Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, Windows Vista or Windows PE?
A#9: EVEREST has full support for all current 32- and 64-bit PC Windows systems including Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me, Windows NT 4.0, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, Windows XP x64 Edition, Windows Vista, Windows Vista x64 Edition and Windows PE.
I'd like to be able to run my memory on the 1:1 or 5:6 divider so I can use the 1333 strap which means I need 520+ FSB :(
Whats the difference in performance between the 1333 and 1066 straps when it comes to the memory dividers?
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
there is a trade off between being able to run at 1066...generally, you are going to get higher memory bandwidth with the 1066 strap over the 1333 strap...but...the 1333 strap will allow higher FSB and memory Mhz.
Flashed back to shipping bios. Figured out whats happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by derektm
On the 4:5 divider (1:1.25 setting), a TCL lower than 5 will cause Standby not to work (you go into Standby, try to bring it back out and the computer hangs). If I use 1:1, the problem goes away. Obviously it is a problem with the 4:5 divider and TCL. Hopefully Abit can fix it.
i think very few people use standby...you might be better off emailing Abit about the problem through their "BlackBox" program.
I'd like to post some findings I just found
Using this vcore measurement point (credit to shimmishim)
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7...g3513ssaf1.jpg
I measured my vcore while it was set to 1.61v in bios
My results
Idle
Uguru - 1.42v switching to 1.56v
DMM - 1.45 switching to 1.47 rapidly
Load - Tested using Prime95 25.3
Uguru - 1.56v
DMM - 1.589v (1024k FTT length ) and 1.579 (8k FTT length)
This means uguru could be reporting incorrect voltages for some of us and that we may be getting closer our BIOS values under load than we may think, especially Ace-a-rue at 1.63v :eek:
Anyone else care to give this a check?
i already checked that point and it was spot on with uguru....i presume each board will waffle differently and could be the reason for success or better success.:)
Was your idle lower than load like mine?
running 500x8
My results
BIOS setting 1.65
Idle
Uguru - 1.60v switching to 1.62v
DMM - 1.61 switching to 1.62 rapidly
Load - Tested ORTHOS BLEND Priority 9
Uguru - 1.57v switching 1.58
DMM - 1.58v steady
:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by derektm
Weird!!!
that way low undershoot with 1.61v set in the bios tells me you either have a regulation problem with the board or PSU...have you measured what the PSU is giving you to the board and cpu for the 12V rail, and also, the 5V rail?Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
Man do I feel like a newb, I forgot I had to clear cmos after some unbootable settings that restarting the mobo couldn't save and forgot to redisable EIST and C1E :rofl: :slapass: :cord: Now when I measure with my DMM I get very close to the voltage I set via BIOS, and I can probably get past that 520mhz barrier now :rolleyes:
aaaaaaaah....;)
Is there a way to disable USB ports during boot? I ask because I have a controller I use for racing games and such and whenever it is plugged in it takes about 10 times as long to boot.
Sure!...under "Intergrated Peripherals"...you will find the USB controller...you can disable it from there either under PCI devices or Onchip PCI devices.
Hi guys, I am trying to OC my new system,
ABIT IP-35 PRO
e6850
Crucial 2GB Ballistix Tracer DDR2 PC2-8500 (2x1GB) CAS5
I am an OC newb, been reading a lot my current setup is:
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/6307/setuppd0.jpg
I want to hit 4ghz, but not sure what the settings should be, so any help would be appreciated.
Thanks!
you better be under water!...are you?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
No using the Tuniq 120, but I run at stock 30C idle. I'm at 3.6 now with the posted settings running Orthos at 50-51C.
Is something wrong?
is this a "G0" stepping CPU?
Yes
you will or can hit 4Ghz but it probably won't be as stable as you would like...i think 3.8 to 3.85 is more realistic...the Tuniq is not the best HS out there...the Ultra Xtreme is the best one at the moment.
Thanks for my ram should I be running it at 2.2v or 1.8v?
stick close to what Crucial recommends (the maximum)....for instances, some ram can be given high voltage like 2.3 to 2.4v...but for most scenarios, you will only need 2.1 to 2.2.
I wasn't aware that you could change the strap setting manuallyQuote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
From what I've been reading, when you use 1:1 or 5:6 (1:1.25 IIRC) you are on the 1333 strap, and the 2 higher ones are the 1066. Someone please correct me if I am wrong because I am still very new to IntelQuote:
Originally Posted by Dredd
I can't get 3.4Ghz stable, but I can run up to 503+ FSB and get through some benchmarks with 6x multi. My memory is not stable enough on this board (4 slots filled maybe why?) to do DDR2-1000 without over 2.250v which I am not going beyond. I am currently settled in at 400FSB DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 1T at 2.25v (2.1v is not stable with 1T). This only gives 3.2Ghz but like I said, my CPU won't do more than 3.4 and that's a stretch really to be honest. I can get it to boot at 1.4v and 3.4Ghz, but Vista froze at some point every time even up to 1.45v so I gave up and went to 3.2Ghz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Bones
First try on my new IP-35 NON PRO
E6420@3700
Vcore 1.42 IIRC in bios.
Vdim 2.2
Watercooled
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/118...4412bm2.th.jpg
I'm really happy with this mobo, I was about to sell it before test it because some bad results people was getting with the non pro version and a stupid review made by a paid noob on the web (overclockers something.com)
The fsb wall on this proc is at fsb 500 on air/water and about 550 on SS, I tested with multi at 7 and I the mobo went up to 505 without prob, so it was the proc limit. I will try to test over phase as soon as I can
nice!:)
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/752/setupch7.jpg
Loaded up windows however Orthos owned it in 30 seconds.
Any thoughts on how I could make it stable?
I'm golden at 3.6ghz right now, just seeing if I can hit 4ghz.
the only way is to go higher on vcore.
Whats the PWM temp?
i think it is "power (something) modulation"
What would give me a noticeable difference in speed in normal games/benchmarks/daily use, 1:1 or another one of the dividers? My chip tops out a 3824mhz, im currently running 425 x 9 memory runny 1:1. Should i bump down toe fsb so i can run stable on 4:5?
what bios are you using...AND...did you flash the boot block if you upgraded the bios to the latest beta?
That's why I can't get stable at DDR2-1000 without alot of voltage on my memory. The strap is 1066...benchmarked higher but memtest errors and vista doesn't like it much either (BSOD 2x). That makes sense now...I'll settle for 800Mhz 4-4-4-12 1T though really. I'm planning to get a quad soonish anyhow.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
this board runs best on the 1333 memory strap versus the 1066.
So 1:1 is actually better in my situation then?
drop the multi to 8X and use 1:1.20 FSB to memory ratio...that ratio along with 1:1 will run at 1333 strap.
Using the 1066 strap with my memory is an equation for instant fail. I can run 600mhz on the 1333 at 1T with 2.1v (maybe less, haven't tested).
I just finished Johnny Bravo's vdroop mod and my vcore is rock solid with .08vdroop now :D Hopefully it brings some stability with my clocks
Just want to try and clear this up for myself, so the 1:1 and the 1:1.20 are on the 1333 strap and all the others fall into the 1066 strap then.
I'm considering either a P5K Deluxe, Blitz Formula, or IP35 Pro. I'd like to have some more info on the IP35 before making any purchase decision.
1. For those of you running 4x1 GB, what is your max FSB? Do you have to reduce the strap or timings?
2. I understand the 1066 strap on the P5KDel tops out at about 500 and the P35-DQ6 around 417. My Commando is at 400; anything over that and performance takes a dive. Where is it for the IP35--in other words--at what point (FSB) does performance drop off?
3. How frequent are the BIOS updates?
4. Are there any SATA/AHCI issues? I have four SATA drives and would like to run at least two of them in AHCI or perhaps RAID 0.
5. Any other known problems I should be aware of? (Not all problems turn me away from a purchase)
Thanks...:)
with 4x 1GB I can boot at around 503FSB with 6x multi. The strap as I understand is changed when you set certain multiplyers on the memory. 1:1 is 1333 and 1:1.20 is 1333. The others will be 1066. That's what I've found out thanks to some information here.Quote:
Originally Posted by NLight95
I just got the board yesterday but I'm happy with it. Stable and overclocks well.
how much vdroop do you guys have?
and what bios is best for this mobo?
keep trying! i'm running 4x1GB on Vista right now with 2.25 clocked at 5-5-5-15 @ 525. I think it could do it w/ less but this was the voltage point i picked for my stability testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dredd
http://www.johnshim.com/forums/bleed...smallerpic.jpg
i'm getting between 0.05 to 0.08, depending on the voltage i choose.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedfighter
others aren't getting as much droop as me though, some are.
there is a vdroop mod for this board if that's what you're concerned about.
as for the best bios... i'm using the latest beta which is 11b04? not sure. there were about 3 beta's released over a period of a week.
the droop increases as you scale up on the vcore....i am getting about 0.04 to 0.05 difference between what is set in the bios and what is actually regulated in idle conditions.
from there, the vcore will drop more when under full load...it would be nice if we could maintain almost the exact vcore set in the bios for idle conditions....it would mean you could get a more precision vcore to maintain the overclock without over juicing the cpu to much.
I just ordered this board guys, will be posting on my OCs...specifically got this mobo to be able to run my Crucial Ballastix PC2 8500 as close to DDR2 1200 speeds. My old board didnt seem to like running this RAM at high bandwidth
What are the limits for the voltages on the board? I want to get 478 fsb stable but it bsod's after a minute of orthos. I know the cpu can handle the clock speed i think its just voltage. I keep getting BSOD irq_less_than or whatever and it says Memory Management.
i believe the max on vdimm is something ridiculous like 3.0v
This is what Im hearing but from my own observation I dont think its exactly true... The dividers affects the Performance level but I think 1066fsb cpus still runs at 1066strap regardless the divider here's why....Quote:
Originally Posted by MADMAX22
All test ware done @ 3600mhz ( 514fsb x 7 ) 1:1 , timings are all the same (even sub timings) and same OS ....
SPI 32M times
E6600 with DFI 965-s = 13m09s Performance Level= n/a
E6600 with IP35 pro = 13m11s Performance level= 7
E6850 with IP35 pro = 13m40s Performance Level=7
Im not an expert on knowing how straps really works but the IP35 + E6600 using 1:1 divider is just as fast as the 965-s which is running at 1066strap.... But with an E6850, spi32M is 29sec slower:shrug:
After running the E6850, I replaced it with an E6600 and ran superpi again to double check... The E6600 was again ~ 29sec faster...
So if its true that using 1:1 divider puts you in the 1333strap then both E6600 and E6850 should be just as fast, right? ... But since the E6600 was alot faster then I believe it was running at 1066strap unlike the E6850... even at 1:1 :D
i read from a post over at OCXtreme from a user who has close ties to abit that said (pic included) the 1:1 and 1:1.20 ratios were at the 1333 strap...i think a lot of what you are talking about has to do with the bios being tweaked to maximize the E6600 over the newer 6850.
vdroop modded for my new toy
now zero droop !!!
the mod is working very good.
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a...om_st/4600.jpg
Interesting observation. Whether this is true or not I still believe that achieving the highest FSB and CPU speed possible at 1:1 with the tightest timings you can achieve at that given speed is the best way to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by luihed
I'd like to see some confirmation about this though.
You can wait for somebody to confirm it but it is true.... I wouldnt be making up something like this lol....
What are the limits for the voltages on the board? I want to get 478 fsb stable but it bsod's after a minute of orthos. I know the cpu can handle the clock speed i think its just voltage. I keep getting BSOD irq_less_than or whatever and it says Memory Management.
*shrug* say what you want, but still need confirmationQuote:
Originally Posted by luihed
Any word on the next BIOS release?
may be some time...Abit hasn't been too quick with them in the recent history.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
read this post from "Hicookie"...it states which FSB to memory ratios set which straps.Quote:
Originally Posted by luihed
http://ocxtreme.org/forumenus/showpo...4&postcount=18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Circaflex
your answer is in the bios or just open Uguru and click on "setup" and then "OC Guru" to review the voltages...OR...you can go here to be spoon fed!
http://ocxtreme.org/forumenus/showthread.php?t=1025
Looking at that post, under the picture titled "NB STRAP，FSB8001066/1333," what BIOS is that? Mine doesn't have the NB strap options but it'd be damn nice to be able to choose dividers without having a strap being related to themQuote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
Nevermind, reading further in the thread reveals that is the non retail bios :(
My wording must be off, i mean what are the safe limits?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
i would bet that was a specially designed bios from abit sent to "Hicookie".
runs nice and stable here
It makes me sad :( I really hope they put it back in their newest release, it'd help me with my memory clocks greatlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
Edit: Has anyone tried opening one of the IP35 bioses with a modtool? I tried awdbedit and modbin but they give errors, I wonder if Abit has any hidden goodies in the BIOS we could unlock
to state a safe voltage above specs would be soley subjective on my part or anyone trying to recommend a range of voltages...it really depends on what you feel comfortable with applying above the default voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Circaflex
Thats exactly what Im talking about.... it just doesnt make sense cos if 514fsb 1:1 in this board is in fact using the 1333strap, then there's no way it can catch up to DFI 965-s thats running on 1066strap.... If the P35 chipset can run this fast at 1333strap then it should be a monster at 1066strap... but running 400fsb x 9 = 3600mhz .. 2:3 divider ( 1066strap ) yields about the same time ( maybe a lil faster )....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
DFI 965-s ...3600mhz (514fsb x 7) 1:1 .. 1066strap .. 13m09s
http://www3.telus.net/luis99/untitled.JPG
Abit IP35... 3598mhz (514x7) 1:1 ... ???? strap ..13m11s
http://ocidb.com/albums/userpics/100...#37;403600.JPG
Maybe that feature is only for the new 1333fsb cpus cos like I said above the E6850 I tested was 29sec slower..... I dont know much about chipset/bios features etc but I think I know enough about superpi and there is no way any motherboard can run this fast at 1333strap... maybe 600fsb x 6 :D
http://ocidb.com/albums/userpics/10062/3591.JPG
sure it can catch up and overtake the DFI board...the DFI could be a sub-par board or a sub-par bios that really did not tweak the chipset to maximize performance (possibly higher latencies to allow higher FSB)...i couldn't do that on the Abit QuadGT board which was a 1066 board too!...no way!:)
Quote:
Originally Posted by luihed
Interesting, Ill try and play with it later, as for those two boards the quadgt and dfi were the two fastest 965 boards Ive ever played with. Great boards IMO.
Has anyone else had trouble keeping the quad core stable on stock speed? Prime95 kept causing restarts and Uguru was showing 1.24v for the CPU under load and I have a G0. I had to bump the CPU and MCH voltage up and it hasn't failed yet after almost 3 hours with the Prime95 large FFT test. That doesn't seem right for stock speed and it doesn't look good if I'm going to OC.
I have a thread about it here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=153669
make sure you have disabled C1E, EIST and CPU Thermal in the bios before running any stress programs.
another thing...memory sometimes needs more than 1.8v to run at stock speeds...also, might want to switch dimm slots to see if one of the dimm slots might not be up to par.
Maybe it is the ram. I tried OC'ing a little to see if it would boot at 9x296. It wouldn't boot at default settings after just changing the fsb but it did boot at that speed when I set the ram to 1:1 ddr-592. Also Memtest didn't get any errors after 6 hours last night. Does suggest that there is a memory problem?
Ace, why disable CPU Thermal? Doesn't that protect your CPU from overheating and frying?
Also, which ram slots are you all using, the blue or black?