AMD Athlon II X4 reviewed

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09-07-2009, 10:31 PM
Dark Star

AMD Athlon II X4 reviewed

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/717...amdlogosvg.png

AMD much awaited Porpus has finally showed up and as usual Inpai guys were the first to review it. The AII X4 priced at $116 seems to be the cheapest Quad Core till date and is placed in direct competition with Core 2 Quad 8200. The test shows how well the processor work, not only performance the processor easily achive 1ghz stable overclock. The AII X4 is no slouch either and will surely tempt user with overall better performance.

The model tested is not the best from AII X4 stable , the higher version will be out soon.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4...034b817de4.jpg

Source : Athlon II X4 620 PK Core 2 Q8200
09-07-2009, 11:01 PM
Lightman

I'm reading now ...

Thanks for link!
09-07-2009, 11:18 PM
TheBlueChanell

I'm almost thinking of throwing one of these in my rig and save that money for an X6 :D

As long as they clock well :D
09-08-2009, 06:43 AM
demonkevy666

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Star

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/717...amdlogosvg.png

AMD much awaited Porpus has finally showed up and as usual Inpai guys were the first to review it. The AII X4 priced at $116 seems to be the cheapest Quad Core till date and is placed in direct competition with Core 2 Quad 8200. The test shows how well the processor work, not only performance the processor easily achive 1ghz stable overclock. The AII X4 is no slouch either and will surely tempt user with overall better performance.

The model tested is not the best from AII X4 stable , the higher version will be out soon.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4...034b817de4.jpg

Source : Athlon II X4 620 PK Core 2 Q8200

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliverda

It will be mixed (Propus & Deneb with disabled L3)

http://prohardver.hu/dl/upc/2009-09/13063_magos2.jpg

The TDP won't be 65W. If the TDP would be 65W then the AMD should mark all of these CPUs as energy efficient ("e" letter). I think that this is the reason why the AMD put all non 45W Propus to the 95W class. Simple marketing.

oh look here we have a 3 code to look at ???

AADAC AD

volume made of deneb when 45nm was made and had no tlb is huge.
09-08-2009, 06:55 AM
imamage

Does it "Deneb w/Disabled L3" or just "Propus"
09-08-2009, 07:28 AM
Oliverda

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonkevy666

oh look here we have a 3 code to look at ???

AADAC AD

volume made of deneb when 45nm was made and had no tlb is huge.

I think that the key is in the middle two letters. AD (or AC). AC = Deneb, AD = Propus.

...or the last three leters of the revision.

AADAC = Propus

CADAC = Propus

CACYC = Deneb

The early samples always begin with "A" letter.

A->C->J....

...and if I'm not mistaken then the third and the fourth letters jointly show the revision of the IMC.
09-08-2009, 11:27 AM
WSP

I cant believe the price. how do AMD get rich with this? lol

PII X2 550 might get a price cut when this AII X4 is flooded the market
09-08-2009, 12:13 PM
ubuntu83

Quote:

Originally Posted by WSP

I cant believe the price. how do AMD get rich with this? lol

PII X2 550 might get a price cut when this AII X4 is flooded the market

i5 750 will pressurize them even more.
09-08-2009, 12:51 PM
Stefan Payne

Quote:

Originally Posted by WSP

I cant believe the price. how do AMD get rich with this? lol

small die.

AFAIR the Propus is about the same size a 65nm dualcore K8 was.
09-08-2009, 01:19 PM
informal

Quote:

Originally Posted by ubuntu83

i5 750 will pressurize them even more.

You can buy 920 i7 right now for ~200-210$ with good u-atx x58 boards also costing not so much so i don't see what else 750 with no SMT can do to hurt AMD? AMD will keep pushing the cloks up and lowering the TDP on present models,plus we will have 6 core on desktop next year. IMO that's pretty much all they need to stay competitive in mid and mid-high segment of desktop. Thuban(hex core for DT) with no cold bug can help them probably grab a few more records next year in extreme OC conditions so they get some good press like they got from Deneb. And they will do all this with one generation of products that was gradually extended from dual to hex core(one K10.5 core inside Deneb Quad MPU is quite smallish so they kinda did the RV770 versus GT200,only in CPU world).
09-08-2009, 01:37 PM
Nedjo

Quote:

Originally Posted by ubuntu83

i5 750 will pressurize them even more.

enlighten us how can 200 USD processor that'll be present in 2-5% of Intel's portfolio pressurize 100 USD processor (we do speak about Athlon II X4 don't we) from AMD?

How can 200 USD processor that goes in 150 USD mobo WITHOUT integrated graphics, pressurize 100 USD processor that goes in 50 USD mobos with DX10 (Windows Driver Model 1.1 for Win7) graphics?

How can 200 USD processor pressure 100 USD processor that is giving him beating in Ubuntu Linux??

:shrug:
09-08-2009, 01:37 PM
demonkevy666

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

You can buy 920 i7 right now for ~200-210$ with good u-atx x58 boards also costing not so much so i don't see what else 750 with no SMT can do to hurt AMD? AMD will keep pushing the cloks up and lowering the TDP on present models,plus we will have 6 core on desktop next year. IMO that's pretty much all they need to stay competitive in mid and mid-high segment of desktop. Thuban(hex core for DT) with no cold bug can help them probably grab a few more records next year in extreme OC conditions so they get some good press like they got from Deneb. And they will do all this with one generation of products that was gradually extended from dual to hex core(one K10.5 core inside Deneb Quad MPU is quite smallish so they kinda did the RV770 versus GT200,only in CPU world).

haha yeah, just like we though too.
09-08-2009, 08:23 PM
SocketMan

They need to lower the HT from 2.8ghz to get more OC.
This A2x4 can do quad fire with 4x4890's even with the ""old" SB600 boards (K9A2/M3a32) regardless of which core it's based on (Deneb/Propus).
Can I do quadfire (besides 2 x 4870 x2's/2xGTX295's) with P55?
Didn't think so :p:

More (3d) performance for 1/2 price -I think we have a winner.
09-09-2009, 05:23 AM
haylui

budget gaming/GPU centric setup should go for Athlon II x4
i5 + P55 is for those who have high budget...
09-09-2009, 05:52 AM
Tom128

Quote:

Originally Posted by ubuntu83

i5 750 will pressurize them even more.

Geez guys c'mon. I'm pretty sure the guy was referring to the entire AMD portfolio being compressed from above, forcing everything else to fall in line, not just the AII X4's.

Let's face it the i5 750 is a dangerous chip for AMD to compete with. Only AMD's top chips can even touch it, and to do so requires a healthy clock advantage. Throw on the fact that the 750 can hit 4Ghz pretty easy and you have to admit it is a better quad for the price (platform is another debate). I don't think any of the other new chips have any real effect on AMD's situation, they are just like the i7's are, but the i5 750 is a heck of a chip for AMD to deal with.
09-09-2009, 07:00 AM
marten_larsson

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom128

Geez guys c'mon. I'm pretty sure the guy was referring to the entire AMD portfolio being compressed from above, forcing everything else to fall in line, not just the AII X4's.

Let's face it the i5 750 is a dangerous chip for AMD to compete with. Only AMD's top chips can even touch it, and to do so requires a healthy clock advantage. Throw on the fact that the 750 can hit 4Ghz pretty easy and you have to admit it is a better quad for the price (platform is another debate). I don't think any of the other new chips have any real effect on AMD's situation, they are just like the i7's are, but the i5 750 is a heck of a chip for AMD to deal with.

Only "problem" is that the i5 750 is a 3,2GHz CPU quite often I would assume. So one can not entirely use the results and think that you'll get 50% more performance if you clock it to 4GHz.

Would be nice to see some reviews comparing OC'd CPUs like a 3,8-4,0GHz PhII 955/965 to an i5 750 at similar clocks. Would have been nice to see what clocks the CPU was running during the different tasks in the other tests.

Edit: But I do agree, the i5 750 is a bit too good for AMDs current line up. I hope we'll see some improvements with C3, both X4 and X6.
09-09-2009, 07:07 AM
ubuntu83

Quote:

Originally Posted by marten_larsson

Edit: But I do agree, the i5 750 is a bit too good for AMDs current line up. I hope we'll see some improvements with C3, both X4 and X6.

I am also looking forward to C3. For now X2 550 BE is good enough for my needs. Thanks Tom for clearing out everything.
09-09-2009, 07:12 AM
charged3800z24

Well, I know this is the 965 vs i920, but it was a nice comparison. It proved the Phenom looked real nice in real world apps. We are looking at 8threads from the 920... so take that in consideration here, But read the review, not just the pics.

http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=809&page=1
09-09-2009, 01:09 PM
Nedjo

Quote:

Originally Posted by marten_larsson

Edit: But I do agree, the i5 750 is a bit too good for AMDs current line up. I hope we'll see some improvements with C3, both X4 and X6.

I'd say AMD has quite competitive product lineup up to 200$, and it's adequately positioned against i5:

http://www.chw.net/2009/09/intel-core-i5-750/6/

but yeah, I agree that C3 will bring more flexibility to AMD to fight against i5 ;)
09-09-2009, 02:48 PM
Nintendork

It's the usual thing, in gaming you don't see any improvements between quads. Any price difference should be used in a better GPU, that's the real deal.
09-09-2009, 03:38 PM
ubuntu83

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedjo

but yeah, I agree that C3 will bring more flexibility to AMD to fight against i5 ;)

If you have some info then spit it out already :p: