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First, THX to cesariuth for news in AMD section and links (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post5094840)
http://limages.vr-zone.net/body/1571...ity-3.jpg.jpeg
More info:
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-trin...on-/15716.html
or
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post5094840
I'm getting a bit excited for potential tablet/ultrabookish hybrids coming out later this year. I wonder if AMD will manage to pull off a design like this with their low power 17W APUs. I would take one of those in a heartbeat over a Intel one due to the better onboard graphics. I don't see the CPU holding me back much if I am only looking to do general stuff and the rare gaming session on it.
Basically the same APU layout but with HIGHLY updated processing stages.
I'm seriously looking forward to this one. If only GF had mastered 28nm....
1.08W Idle power, very nice!
Up to 800MHz fGPU explains part of 'up to 50%' better graphics performance.
Still, I'm not sure which socket this will use on desktop. Old slides were mentioning new socket FM2 but since then nothing came confirming or denying it. Anyone heard anything and can hint?
There are no solid info about the socket yet I think but it would be nice if it were at least backwards compatible with fm1 Llanos.
Hate to be that guy but when are we expecting these to be released? I think I saw Q1 somewhere :shrug:
Mobile June 1st and desktop probably a little after
I'm liking the Piledriver 29% better performance over Husky.
Dam I have a build for a friend on a budget in mid-may that I could push to early June but I don't want to push him back any further than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
Well paper launch is May 15thQuote:
Originally Posted by JayCop
Im thinking, AMD old plan was one year after Llanos, so...plans look more than good :)
Too bad I can't build my friend a computer with paper parts :) Guess I will have to go with one of their Llanos chips for himQuote:
Well paper launch is May 15th
well im assuming paper launch May 15th, but not sure which will come first...probably the desktop first and as manufactures finish their laptop designs a little later.Quote:
Originally Posted by JayCop
id definitely wait for trinity is looking pretty good
however llano is under going price cuts
FM2 since north bridge is integrated nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
however i haven't seen any fm2 mobo's pop up yet? which leads me to believe it will be a paper launch on may 15th
Im hoping these chips give AMD a good share of the market they have lost over that last few years back. I would love to be able to market some AMD based systems to my customers that are inexpensive yet deliver on performance. llano's price for performance already seems like a very good deal so with the cuts it will only make them better options in my book.
Exactly why I wonder about socket! No leaks of motherboards, not even mechanical drawings of socket FM2 makes me wonder. Normally we have bits of info from motherboard manufacturers etching to release new product well in advance. Hell some e-tailers quite often were selling boards before NDA date or at least list them on their websites.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
on the Trinity tech specs slide....what does 2.08W MM07 Power mean?
im assuming a max P-state power draw?
The 1 watt idle is very interesting... HTPC solution looks promising.
i think to make Llano/Trinity more viable on desktops, they need to go with Lucid or some solution that will allow the onboard GPU to be combined with anything. It doesn't make sense to buy an overpriced, rebadged Turks card to max out crossfire performance with these apus. I too am wondering if FM2 will be backwards compatible with FM1. Some early articles hinted that it was... and i think it would be in AMDs best interest to do so
This cannot come soon enough for me.
I hope ASRock produce a mitx solution that's at least of similar quality to the Z77 counterpart. Their FM1 mitx board wasn't all that enticing tbh and yet their visual scheme would go great with my build.:D
Same here, my checkbook is ready!Quote:
Originally Posted by sholvaco
Family 15h Models 10-1Fh (Trinity) are only supported in FS1r2, FM2, & FP2 sockets by the default code.
I donīt know if it is possible to make it work in FM1 too by changing the code.
1x M-ITX board
2x sticks of fast ram
1x low profile gpu for xfire
+ a small case
= fun htpc that blows away consoles in everything from image quality to noise to web browsing
i might actually do something like this because you can also get a cable card and the cable companies charge almost nothing for it compared to a full dvr box. the only loss is no on-demand, which i almost never use anyway.
Lucid/HydraQuote:
Originally Posted by Miwo
lucid MVP is an option
There is two MVP boards Asrock and a gigabyte but I don't see them for sale anywhere right now :/
I too want a Mini-ITX build - AMD APU + 2*4GB RAM + a minimalist Lian Li case.
Only problem is Trinity or Kaveri. The GCN in Kaveri seems too tempting, and its supposed to be ready by Jan '13 , although given AMD timelines that may be forever. I am also unsure whether the CPU perf. would be a downgrade from by PhII X4 B50. But the idea of a cute little box will haunt me till I build one.
FM2 is physically (pin config.) not backwards compatible with FM1Quote:
Originally Posted by Miwo
AMD's upcoming APU Kaveri release will most likely be inline with Intel's Haswell release, since Haswell supports DX11.1 it wouldn't be in AMD's best interest to slack since the way Intel is ramping their IGP's performance.
gaaargh where are they!!!
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/...rabook-Win.png
Need
Trinity
Ultrathin/book
Stat!
lol :D
Trinity is looking good!
looks nice, but ultrabook from Intel is about 15mm big, not?
18 mm for 13.3" and smaller displaysQuote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
21 mm for 14.0" and larger displays
23 mm for convertible tablets
Noooooooooooo!!! Desktop Trinity chipset/boards
:banana::banana::banana::banana:....
Socket FM2 boards will be launched in August 2012 together with the new APUs
A few days ago, we posted some news about the upcoming Socket FM2 boards and new series of APUs. Today, our twitty bird message us that the boards and processors will be delayed to August.
No reasons were given for the delay but it be the same reasoning, to allow retailers ample time to clear their stocks of FM1 boards and APU. Retailers we have spoken to told us that the Socket FM1 boards were not selling too well. That is probably the reason.
http://en.ocworkbench.com/tech/socke...-the-new-apus/
I don't know about you, but I could care less about the desktop version. For the mobile isn't delayed there isn't any issue. Be great if AMD can get these out for the back to school buying season this summer.
agreed, nothing sells around late august like a gaming laptopQuote:
Originally Posted by xBanzai89
Quote:
Originally Posted by xBanzai89
I am hoping to get mine sooner then that for work this summer.
If its delayed I might have no other choice but to go Ivy.
Im seriously interested in trinity if it competes well with power consumption. Im not too keen on having a fast CPU but the GPU matters for occasional gaming and if AMD can nail it in the power department we have a winner here
same here especially am waiting for tablet version of this apuQuote:
Originally Posted by LightSpeed
Meh no sources were given, just rumorQuote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
curious about hybrid graphics since trinity has vliw4 only found in 6900 series what can be pairedwith it? Be nice if they made a discrete gpu with vliw4 just for trinity
You know, if I had an extradimensional heatsink that could pull heat into the 5th dimension and a cold fusion generator the size of a credit card we could totally put this thing into a Win 8 cell phone.
The new Samsung Series 9 Ivy Bridge ultrabook has a 15" screen and is only 15.2mm thick.Quote:
Originally Posted by spicypixel
That does not constitute as intel guideline. Im sure samsung (or some other manufacturer) can make trinity ultrabook with 15" screen and only 15,2mm thickness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew LB
they plan to rebrand the low end 6000s as 7000s for that exact reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
so the low end "new" 7000 series (im assuming 7700 and below) are they still the old school vliw5? will that combine well with the trinity vliw4 gpu?
like could u crossfire a 6870 and a 6970? thats basically what im asking
sorry i think they will be vliw4 in sizes appropriate to the APUs, just like the low end 6000s were using 5000 series cores to pair with APUs. when i said using 6000s as 7000s re-branded i didnt think about what the low end 6000s were.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
theres probably a table out there showing the whole linup of 7000s that i got this info from.
for your question about xfire. amd designed each tier to be compatible with all things in that teir. so the lowest 6800 can xfire with the highest 6800, but not the highest 6700 or lowest 6900.
if you remember back the 4850 was near identical in perf to the 4770, but they could not work together so they gave it a whole different tier rather than calling it a 4830
Thanks
Yah I was just curious what gpu arch that's going to be paired with Trinity
So looks like it will be Trinity's VLIW 4 with the low end 7000 series VLIW 5
HP trinity laptop appears
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/27...trinity-laptop
hahaha, the author is quite ignorant of xfire it seems:Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
"For some reason it also has a discrete Radeon graphics unit which can be used together with the on-die GPU in a Crossfire mode but does defeat the whole point of having powerful integrated graphics."
I think the 'Turks Pro' - something like an HD6570 - is the most appropriate card for dual-graphics with Trinity.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
It looks like Kaveri 32/28nm will partner best with GCN - maybe a cut-down HD7750 ??
That should be some kinda jam in dual-graphics with everything sync'ed up.
some nice reading here
http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-T...I-267131.shtml
Quote:
Fearing the hype about AMD’s Bulldozer design and not wanting to risk having its own compiler optimize programs for the same type of SIMD units as the one in AMDs CPU, Intel changes the specification for their FMA instructions from 4-operand to 3-operand instructions.
The change occurred in December 2008, a full half year before AMD announced the FMA4 implementation, but by then AMD was too advanced with their design to make the switch back to FMA3.
Does visual studio use Intels compiler? Does intels compiler not compile specific AMD instructions ever? How about Linux compilers? What about C# or Java, surely they don't care about Intels change, with respect to AMDs, and compile Just in Time to make use of AMDs instruction set.Quote:
Originally Posted by duron
Seems the article is trying valiantly to make out Bulldozer was garbage due to Intel making changes to their compiler. Which of course is Garbage.
well the intel compiler does not really matter anymore (back in the a64 days, i believe most were using the intel compiler) for a number of reasons. bulldozer does better than the intel parts with the right software....so that part is true. but most people use the vs compiler, and all other compilers are cpu neutral.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motiv
its a 3 part article, and i like part 3 the most. goes over interesting power savings enhancementsQuote:
Originally Posted by Motiv
I disregarded the intel compiler bit.... AMD's got to much to worry about internally then to worry about that.
but who knows a lot of it just seems like opinion, with a few facts from the leaked slides sprinkled in.
cyclos clock mesh is more interesting ;)
but I am excited they tweaked almost every part of the bulldozer design
looks like it will be phenom I to phenom II all over again.
Trinity for server/desktop (Orochi Rev. Cx) is already in production. So we won't have to wait that long between mobile and server/desktop launch :)
Trinity is not Orochi (itīs Trinity) and it wonīt be available for servers.Quote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
Desktop & Mobile only.
I think he is talking about 8 piledriver cores for desktop and server. I reeeeally hope it works ok on my 890fxa motherboardQuote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
990FXA, 890FX is old...And hope next year for integrated NB in desktop "highend" segment
Nah, that's what it is called at the FAB. Orochi Rev.Cx = Piledriver cores (in this case may be Abu Dhabi or Vishera) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
I know its old, but with my 890fxa i can use a bulldozer cpu, i just don't because buying an fx cpu would be a bad decision, i am just hoping to be able to use next generation bulldozer.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
Amd really faildozed me here
890fx might be old , but there are only 2 differences between them .Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
- HyperTransport 3.1, which increases the link speed from 5.2GT/s to 6.4GT/s
- NVIDIA SLI support
the (Raid,USB,Sata,..) functions of the SB850 = SB950 .
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/08/h...school-season/
hmm ill have to pick myself up a Trinity M6 ;)
June 20th
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/08/h...ks-sleekbooks/
HP ENVY Sleekbook (15.6-inch model)
Starts at $599.99; available on June 20
Operating system: Windows 7 Premium (64-bit)
Display: 15.6 inches (1366 x 768 resolution)
CPU: a second-generation AMD APU
Memory: 4GB 1600MHz DDR3
Storage: 320GB HDD
Connectivity: 802.11a/g/n
Ports include: Gigabit Ethernet, USB 3.0 (2), USB 2.0 (1), HDMI, SD reader
Weight: starting at 4 pounds
Thickness: "as thin as 19.8 mm"
Battery life: up to nine hours
Beats Audio with dual speakers and a subwoofer
HP CoolSense technology
HP TrueVision HD Webcam
HP Protect Smart
im assuming this model will have the 17w trinity...kinda lame they spec it with a 320g hardrive, all these should at least have hybrid ssd or ssd
I'm really hoping for some nice ultra portables with GOOD screen, comparable to Apple, so that the next time my mother wants to buy a laptop she could look away from Apple. Are there any with comparable screen in a comparable price to the McBook Air?
I would love to build a fun budget OC rig using Piledriver. Hopefully ipc is at a decent level and power use is better, though all around performance and ipc is really what Amd needs.
http://www.nordichardware.com/news/7...d-trinity.html
Something doesn't look right with those scores I dunno...
The M6 looks nice, I like that it comes with backlite keyboard
need ivy bridge comparison stat!
Not much info here... This is based on two benchmarks (3dmark06 & 3d Vantage). HD4000 is about 100% faster then HD3000 there.Quote:
Originally Posted by _d_
It's not even Trinity, which makes it even more impressive if true tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by kl0012
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-show...nto/15839.html
it is Trinity
just need to wait for more complete results
ill post this again....
http://www.nordichardware.com/news/7...d-trinity.html
cpu results look horrible...or something is wrong.... the old slow IPC with higher clocks are still a problem looks like.
:shakes:
It has to be, since the A10 is scoring lower than the A8....
Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
different TDP's screwed me up...an A10 at 25w is impressive
vrzone wrote it is Brazos 2.0?Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
http://www.nordichardware.com/images...AIDA64_FPU.png
Vp8 is decoding video while Sinjulia is utilizing x87 instructions.
From the graph we could see Intel is very good at x87
And A10-4655 (2.0GHz) is near to SB i5-2467M 1.6GHz now?
35W for Brazos 2.0...?Quote:
Originally Posted by haylui
Yeah that's weird, but it's also called R-464L, seems like VR assumes it's Brazos just because it's embedded.Quote:
Originally Posted by kl0012
from the graphic performance improvement over SB, if that is Trinity then it would be too weak to overthrown IVBQuote:
Originally Posted by kl0012
It is trinity but the cut down version to meet the low wattage.
I would like to know wattage of those other setups too before making harsh judgements.
Nordichardware posted windows info screens it's not brazos
Sure it is trinity, as specified there. 25 & 35W.
Brazos 2.0 is up to 18W and it is 40nm, and it is already available, e.g. http://www.msi.com/product/nb/U270.html with E2-1800 processor
P.S. Sorry MSI notebook it is not available right now -
will be available May 18 at a converted price of about Ģ365
hold a second, you're talking about the HP Envy Sleekbook or the AMD embedded chip graphic performance released by AMD itself?Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
http://www.nordichardware.com/images...AIDA64_CPU.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
at least the integer part is able to close the gap with SB around similar frequency?
2.0GHz from Trinity vs 2.3GHz from SB i5-2410M
Its a dualcore vs a quadcore in a multithreaded test... (photoworxx)Quote:
Originally Posted by haylui
But you hae to look at the A6-3400M.. thats only a 1,4ghz cpu, yet the A10 only performs ~11% better? :shrug:
And the FPU results are even more horrible... doesn't even beat the old A6...
I call BS on this benchmarks.. if that would be true AMD can dig its own grave right now. There is no way someones going to buy it if it offers less performance then its predecessor, the better gpu only can help you so much...
Some of you guys seem to forget that this is just a 2 core 4 thread "improved" Bulldozer...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
The A10-4655M has 40% more battery live and 11% more performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
There is also the 35W A10-4600M which has 21% higher base frequencies
(2.3GHz) compared to the 35W A8-4500M tested here.
Hans.
we will know on Tuesday! :up:
edit: i cant wait! anymore leaks!? come oooooon' where are they :yepp:
It doesn't matter, AMD will continue to call 4 real core like BulldozerQuote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
http://shop.amd.com/US/All/Detail/Pr...RGUBOX?tabid=2
Slides on Piledriver have leaked:
http://www.expreview.com/19347.html
There are actually major changes to the basic BD microarchitecture:
- Larger OOO structures
- Improved HW Prefetching
- Improved Branch Prediction
- Instruction scheduling improvements
- Improved TLB hierarchy
- Improved Load-Store Queue
In addition, Piledriver is the first major volume product released by any architecture to use a resonant clock design, which saves 5-10% power overall:
http://www.eecs.umich.edu/eecs/about...submission.pdf
what kind of performance will Trinity be offering in the GPU area? Anything to match a 5770, or are we still talking barely capable of running much above low settings?
hd6550d not running all at low settings...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5hDhGcKvNg
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
what video editing/camera did you use on the video?
its creepily smooth when yur moving around, waaaay cool effect.
NDA tomorrow the 15. ?
Something with sensor shift image sabilization.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
Look at how crazy it gets when the game scenes start ;) frame turns to jello.
So NDA is up tomorrow? O_o
niice!Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
google translate:
http://translate.google.com/translat...%2F1675086.htm
yeah, since I was up early I thought, why the hell no?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Afyy55HcYE
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/05/12/c...ks-an-embargo/
lol, same silver metal case
Very encouraging for so far:
http://translate.google.com/translat...2781947_3.html
Hans
3dmarks06 score:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans de Vries
(AMD Trinity APU A10) HD 7660G = 7943
Intel HD 4000 = 6007
also the 25w A10-4655M looks very intriguing, same specs as A10-4600M but lower cpu/gpu clock speeds
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-trin...rk-/15830.html
edit NM this review from vr-zone is crap
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5831/a...00m-a-new-hope
more of a complete review