DFI NF4 smoking&burning

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11-20-2005, 10:27 PM
Primoz78

DFI NF4 smoking&burning

Yesterday I got my new PSU...a Seasonic 600W I put it in my system and it works perfectly for about 10 hours. I ran prime for about 1 hour when I came to look if it is still running...The system has rebooted and I have written the password for loging in windows as usual. After hit the enter button my comp started smoking and a I saw a fire in the case....have disconnected the power cable and opened the case...I saw 2 capacitors burned out :slapass: :slapass: :slapass: This is my 3rd DFI NF4 in 6 months and have send all the 3 to RMA...I gave up... :rolleyes: I just hope that the CPU, RAM and graphic aren`t gone.. :( ...keep your fingers crossed guys. I had enough of sending MOBO`s in RMA...which one should I get...that has 4V for ram and 1.55V+ for CPU? :confused:

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9193/1032v8nt.jpg

Regards,
Primoz
11-20-2005, 10:50 PM
gugge81

3rd damn,DFI most look at the quality.
The new Asus board looks nice,but i dont know if it give 4V to the ram,look in the Ben`s thread for learn more about the board
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=80491
11-20-2005, 11:02 PM
Daved+

Good luck...

What rev were the 3 mobos?
11-20-2005, 11:09 PM
mion

I already gave up on dfi nf4 ultra with opt 170 at 2.8ghz with 1.5bios vcore I get like fry temps for pwm, with addition of active cooling temps stay around 60C. I am done with active cooling too time too switch to new asus board even though it pricy and lack vdimm over 3.2v it still might be better choice for me.
11-20-2005, 11:16 PM
Primoz78

guge thx for the tip...I will look for the Asus one...The review was AB.0 I think...I realy need the 4V on VDIMM cause have the Redline ram...

Regards,
Primoz
11-20-2005, 11:28 PM
mion

How much vdimm are you giving for stock 250 for redline. I tried with my redline 4000 250 and they did that speed with tight timings at 3.2v on dfi so far. I wonder if I will able to do same speeds on asus.
11-20-2005, 11:34 PM
Primoz78

Quote:

Originally Posted by mion

How much vdimm are you giving for stock 250 for redline. I tried with my redline 4000 250 and they did that speed with tight timings at 3.2v on dfi so far. I wonder if I will able to do same speeds on asus.

On 3.2V I can get windows and Memtest stable till 258mhz...but I`m not sure...at 3,3V I can get to 263mhz...3,4V...267mhz...

Regards,
Primoz
11-21-2005, 03:08 AM
Primoz78

So which one to buy now?...an DFI SLI-DR Expert or ASUS A8N32 SLI...with an Booster for ram VDIMM...? Help me to chose the wright one...for best OC and stability...and affidability...

Regards,
Primoz
11-21-2005, 03:18 AM
187(V)URD@

DFI-ultra d since i am sure you f*uck you're next one up.
11-21-2005, 04:03 AM
skogkatt

Do you raise the Vcore while you're running the RAM in 3.2-4V area? If no, you could be in this situation ...

If it's the case DFI could write a warning somewhere, since some people lost their FX-57 with this issue :slobber:
11-21-2005, 04:03 AM
v0dka

Hi,

I find it very ahrd to believe that 3 good DFI boards fry themselves. (Not implying that you did it but maybe something else is wrong.)

Try www.dfi-street.com if you didnt already know this, there are at least 2 fulltime DFI employees there (angry games & Rgone) who can help you.
11-21-2005, 04:13 AM
Primoz78

Have tried the DFI-street now waiting for some good post...I`ve got the CPU @1.456V and the VDIMM at 3.3V...For one bord I have damaged the NB CPU bot the other two boards have gone by themselves...The first one starst to "sceaming"...and causes a lot of instability issues...then changed for SLI-D...this one was damaged by me :slapass: But the last one...another Ultra-D has fryed out itself...will se if someone from DFI-street has any idea what happend.

Regards,
Primoz
11-21-2005, 05:00 AM
Primoz78

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOE

3 boards.. geez man, are you sure it's not you fault ;)

fry another one the same way, then throw the PSU in the trashcan
dfi uses quality caps, and they don't die just like that

Nope I`m sure it wasn`t my fault...2 times as I said...how can the MOBO starts to "screem" I don`t know...but it was...and the MOBO`s are gone...You wouldn`t believe...but I had an 480W tagan...than a 580W tagan...and now a 600W Seasonic...I think that it is not a good idea throwing my at least 130EUR worth PSU in the trashcan... :nono:

Regards,
Primoz
11-21-2005, 05:52 AM
Primoz78

Hmmm...will measure the lines on my PSU tomorrow with a multimeter...and will see. The PSU is brand new...it works for about 10-12 hours at most!

Regards,
Primoz
11-21-2005, 06:20 AM
187(V)URD@

don't think its psu related. Can't find something that might be the problem.
11-21-2005, 06:56 AM
g0dM@n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Primoz78

Hmmm...will measure the lines on my PSU tomorrow with a multimeter...and will see. The PSU is brand new...it works for about 10-12 hours at most!

Regards,
Primoz

Yeah, just jump it with the green and ground wire, and hook up a few HDDs and optical drives to it to see how it performs on load.

Damn, sorry for the bad news. :(

Tell DFI to upgrade you to expert for all the mishaps, wasted time, and wasted money that they caused you! If they don't, ask them to offer you a step-up program of some sort. Isn't it 3 strikes and you're out? TELL THEM!
11-21-2005, 07:41 AM
B5I8

Same thing happened to me with my old SLI-DR. It took my Athlon 64 4000+ SD with it to. It just sucks that I can't warranty either of them. My mobo is covered with insulation that I can't seem to take off and the CPU is out of warranty since it was OEM. If my new Expert board does this again, I'll be flying up to DFI personally and be handing out free a** whoopings.
11-21-2005, 09:22 AM
g0dM@n

Quote:

Originally Posted by B5I8

Same thing happened to me with my old SLI-DR. It took my Athlon 64 4000+ SD with it to. It just sucks that I can't warranty either of them. My mobo is covered with insulation that I can't seem to take off and the CPU is out of warranty since it was OEM. If my new Expert board does this again, I'll be flying up to DFI personally and be handing out free a** whoopings.

You should do it anyways... create a network of complaints list and give a slap for each complaint. :D

Luckily my Ultra-D hasn't KILLED anything yet. Let's hope to God it remains that way cuz I want an Expert sometime soon, and want my parts to last.
11-21-2005, 09:38 AM
xenolith

Three kills (especially if things are exploding) = something is shorting out. :eek: :confused:
11-21-2005, 01:36 PM
Nil Einne

Probably his water cooler is leaking...
11-21-2005, 10:21 PM
Primoz78

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nil Einne

Probably his water cooler is leaking...

My water cooling?...the water cooling is ok and there was no water in the case! And I can run it now and it is ok!...here are some pics of my board...So DFI has respond to RMA...and told me that this kind of situations are not covered by the guarantee...so I can go and buy a new MOBO...which I thik it will not be a DFI :slapass: They said this is an voltage and PSU issue...I have tested my ram for now and it is ok...the CPU and GPU wansn`t tested yet...So here are some pics:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7070/pb2100054zi.jpg

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6620/pb2200076js.jpg

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/1682/pb2200107wb.jpg

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7502/pb2200119td.jpg

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9729/pb2200142qu.jpg

So here it is...the PSU (brand new...about 4 days old) is going back to the shop, cause I`m afraid to connect it to my new board! :slapass:

Regards,
Primoz
11-22-2005, 12:14 AM
Ic3man

Its threads like these that 'scared' me into buying the new Asus board. I wanted a DFI board becuase of the many people who give it rave reviews for overclockability but for me stability/reliabiliy is equally important. Hope you get a satisfactory outcome to this.
11-22-2005, 12:23 AM
Primoz78

How does your Asus doing?...I`m afraid to go again for a DFI...but I`m also "atracted" by the SLI-DR Expert or even the Crossfire one...but I have to buy it abroad...cause here is not in stock yet. If I would like another brand like Asus I have to buy the OCZ Booster too...cause have the Redline...needs at least 3.3V....

Regards,
Primoz
11-22-2005, 02:01 AM
amduser

asus and oc, that are two differnet thinks. a good solution would be to buy a abit an8 ultra or sli. or a epox 9npa+ ultra or sli. both boards run quite good. the abit hast 3,55volt maximum vdimm and i think 1,85volt maximum vcore. the epox has only 3.1 volt maximum vdimm but surely has more then 1.55 volt vdimm. ith has +3.5volt vdimm as much i remeber. the epox 9npa+ sli has somethink pretty nice. it hase 4phases for the cpu. it is for cpu overclock even bettern then the dfi. but the vdimm is a little bit to low if you use high voltage dimm's with bh-5's oder somethink like that.
11-22-2005, 02:14 AM
K404

Just to help with the Epox.. it offers (well...mine anyway) offers +0.355VCore over stock and 3.2VDIMM officially. My VDIMM circuit overvolts to give 3.25-3.28 VDIMM. Should have a DFI coming in today coz I got the Redline as well and i`m being held back my the lack of DIMM juice.

Shame about the boards :(. I`d be tempted to blame the board over the PSU, but thats just me. DFI should be more willing to accept they have quality testing issues.
11-22-2005, 03:27 AM
amduser

Quote:

Originally Posted by K404

I`d be tempted to blame the board over the PSU, but thats just me.

the seasonic s12 he has bought is a pretty good psu. too the too tagan's he had before. it's just the throught that dfi is too not the BEST BOARD ever. it quite good. but it'S slow and i know a lot of peopel haveing serious trouble with that board.
11-22-2005, 03:42 AM
NickS

EPoX nF4 or MSI K8N Neo4 paired w/DDR BOOSTER might be a good combo. My board gets 300HTT fine :D (Neo4 Plat REFURBED :slobber: ).
11-22-2005, 03:45 AM
Primoz78

What about a BIOSTAR Tforce4 SLI ...anyone have it or have some tests?...

Regards,
Primoz
11-22-2005, 04:40 AM
K404

Epox NF3 and4 boards dont work with the DDR Booster. The Epox 9NDA3+ can be voltmodded very well for extra DIMM coz it uses the +5V rail for the derivation, but not the 9NPA+. That uses the +3.3V rail. Just saying so noone kills their board that way..

The Epox boards will do 315+ (CPU limiting and I cant be bothered to drop the multi to find out the HTT limit)

K :)
11-22-2005, 07:24 AM
Diverge

I dunno, i'm not motherboard engineer, but that doesn't look like a power supply problem. If something overvoltaged from your PSU, your other hardware would be damaged as well, hard drives, memory, ect - also i think those caps near the voltage regulators would have popped - see the Y looking etch at the top of the cap, that is where it is supposed to open if it is overvolted. It looks like the regulators overheated, fried and became shorts - the land that is fried on the bottom of the pcb looks like it is under one of those regulators, the 2 leads just to the left look like that is where the caps are (and look fine)...
11-22-2005, 10:53 AM
Flib

It is not the PSU.
In Germany we had a great PSU test a few months ago and the Seasonic passed. Raisl were stable and the Ripple was within specs!
The Seasonic shpuld do great. I think you had bad luck with your motherboard.
11-22-2005, 11:17 AM
mdzcpa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ic3man

Its threads like these that 'scared' me into buying the new Asus board.

Unfortunately, thats not how it works. I've had bad boards from just about every company. The biggest blow out of all (actual flames) was on an asus p4p800 2 years ago. Stuff just happens.
11-22-2005, 11:55 AM
da-key

Oh man I had to order a ultra-d just to see if I can make it burn :slapass:
11-22-2005, 10:20 PM
Primoz78

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flib

It is not the PSU.
In Germany we had a great PSU test a few months ago and the Seasonic passed. Raisl were stable and the Ripple was within specs!
The Seasonic shpuld do great. I think you had bad luck with your motherboard.

How can I call 3 time RMA for DFI boards in 4 months...I don`t call it bad luck but bad boards :slapass: . The seasonic was new and it ran about 10h...so I think it was the PSU the cause...I have tryed the ram and it is OK...but don`t know for the CPU, VGA and HD yet... :confused: I have send the Seasonic back to the shop cause I`m afraid to connect it to a new MOBO...I`m going on a Enermax Liberty 620W now...

Regards,
Primoz

p.s. I have written an e-mail to DFI Netherlands now I`m waiting for respond...cause have made a post on DFI-street but noone from DFI has answered... :slapass:
11-24-2005, 01:06 AM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Primoz78

My water cooling?...the water cooling is ok and there was no water in the case! And I can run it now and it is ok!...here are some pics of my board...So DFI has respond to RMA...and told me that this kind of situations are not covered by the guarantee...so I can go and buy a new MOBO...which I thik it will not be a DFI :slapass: They said this is an voltage and PSU issue...I have tested my ram for now and it is ok...the CPU and GPU wansn`t tested yet...So here are some pics:

So here it is...the PSU (brand new...about 4 days old) is going back to the shop, cause I`m afraid to connect it to my new board! :slapass:

Regards,
Primoz

Showing the pictures you have uploaded, it seems to me that the VCore Mos-fets has blown up......I think that the heatsink that is on the Mos-Fets for cooloing them down, DIDN'T have a good "contact" with them.......Maybe the company which builds and solders the components for DFI, didn't use much presure on the heatink when they puted it on for soldering, so it didn't attached the VCore Mos-fets well OR not at all..... :slapass:

I DON'T think that it is related to the PSU........ ;)
11-24-2005, 01:26 AM
Primoz78

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

Showing the pictures you have uploaded, it seems to me that the VCore Mos-fets has blown up......I think that the heatsink that is on the Mos-Fets for cooloing them down, DIDN'T have a good "contact" with them.......Maybe the company which builds and solders the components for DFI, didn't use much presure on the heatink when they puted it on for soldering, so it didn't attached the VCore Mos-fets well OR not at all..... :slapass:

I DON'T think that it is related to the PSU........ ;)

You R wright...the PSU seems to be ok after a few tests in the shop...but I have received an e-mail from DFI...

Dear Customer,

Thank you for taking time submit us the query. As per your photos posted on forum, improper usage might be the root of why reseller rejected your RMA request, we assume it’s from JP17, and that kind damage of burnt also caused your on-hand motherboard(s) become not repair-able. Enclosed captured page from User’s manual please find for your reference.

If you still have interest to purchase our product. We may still evaluate and provide you the direct service and special discount, please send us the information as below to confirm the products you had purchased.

1. A copy of your purchase invoice and from your reseller.

2. The Serial Number of the motherboard.

3. Your postal address and contact details.

4. The price of your purchased products (might also states on purchase invoice).

5. The reseller you purchased the motherboard from (also the retailer's website address if available)

As I understand it was an JP17 error or a "bug" as I read on other forums too...but also they now about the bug they don`t accept my MOBO in RMA... :slapass: :slapass: :slapass: :slapass:

Regards,
Primoz
11-24-2005, 08:15 AM
runmc

You need to invest in a good psu. IMHO

The 520 or 600 are great. :woot:
11-24-2005, 08:27 AM
LowRun

Quote:

Originally Posted by runmc

You need to invest in a good psu. IMHO

The 520 or 600 are great. :woot:

He has one already, as good if not better than the OCZ.
11-24-2005, 08:27 AM
Diverge

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

Showing the pictures you have uploaded, it seems to me that the VCore Mos-fets has blown up......I think that the heatsink that is on the Mos-Fets for cooloing them down, DIDN'T have a good "contact" with them.......Maybe the company which builds and solders the components for DFI, didn't use much presure on the heatink when they puted it on for soldering, so it didn't attached the VCore Mos-fets well OR not at all..... :slapass:

I DON'T think that it is related to the PSU........ ;)

I'm glad someone agreed with me :)

To original poster: companies will always look to blame the customer during failure analysis, not just motherboard companies though. I've worked at a semiconductor company for about 7 years in the past, they will always look to pass the blame. I wouldn't take that excuse of a bug, and not being covered by rma.
11-24-2005, 10:22 PM
Primoz78

Finaly got an answer from DFI...and they said that I will be grant with an "special discount" only if I can prove that has 2 or more of DFI MOBO`s before...they call this kind of people "DFI enthusiasts"... :stick: So as I send my two MOBO (I had 3 of them) in RMA I do not have the invoice any more :slapass: . And the best part is...the offerd me a "special price" of 320 USD for an DFI SLI-DR Expert...shipping included... :slapass: :slapass: :slapass: ...WTF...this is a lot much than prices in EU! :slapass: :slapass: :slapass:

But here is the worst news....my Opteron 146 0540 FPMW has gone :( :( :(

How it is possible as the DFI said it was the JP17 jumper the fault...I thought if the JP17 cause the burn out of the MOBO the ram should go with it too...but not the CPU... :confused: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Regards,
Primoz

p.s. DFI has lost one costumer today... :mad:
11-24-2005, 10:24 PM
Primoz78

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diverge

I'm glad someone agreed with me :)

To original poster: companies will always look to blame the customer during failure analysis, not just motherboard companies though. I've worked at a semiconductor company for about 7 years in the past, they will always look to pass the blame. I wouldn't take that excuse of a bug, and not being covered by rma.

The PSU wasn`t the cause...It was tested and it seems OK...but I gave it back in RMA for precausion...I`m waiting for an Enermax Liberty 620W...Hope will get it next week...

Regards,
Primoz
11-25-2005, 03:15 AM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Primoz78

Finaly got an answer from DFI...and they said that I will be grant with an "special discount" only if I can prove that has 2 or more of DFI MOBO`s before...they call this kind of people "DFI enthusiasts"... :stick: So as I send my two MOBO (I had 3 of them) in RMA I do not have the invoice any more :slapass: . And the best part is...the offerd me a "special price" of 320 USD for an DFI SLI-DR Expert...shipping included... :slapass: :slapass: :slapass: ...WTF...this is a lot much than prices in EU! :slapass: :slapass: :slapass:

But here is the worst news....my Opteron 146 0540 FPMW has gone :( :( :(

How it is possible as the DFI said it was the JP17 jumper the fault...I thought if the JP17 cause the burn out of the MOBO the ram should go with it too...but not the CPU... :confused: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Regards,
Primoz

p.s. DFI has lost one costumer today... :mad:

It's not the jumper......The VCore Mos-Fet blowen up and it may had pass 12Volts to the CPU's VCore
11-25-2005, 03:49 AM
Primoz78

Thx for the explanation...Now I`m looking for a new MOBO...and it won`t be a DFI I promisse!...

Regards,
Primoz
11-27-2005, 08:25 PM
hollywood

Quote:

Originally Posted by Primoz78

Finaly got an answer from DFI...and they said that I will be grant with an "special discount" only if I can prove that has 2 or more of DFI MOBO`s before...they call this kind of people "DFI enthusiasts"... :stick: So as I send my two MOBO (I had 3 of them) in RMA I do not have the invoice any more :slapass: . And the best part is...the offerd me a "special price" of 320 USD for an DFI SLI-DR Expert...shipping included... :slapass: :slapass: :slapass: ...WTF...this is a lot much than prices in EU! :slapass: :slapass: :slapass:

But here is the worst news....my Opteron 146 0540 FPMW has gone :( :( :(

How it is possible as the DFI said it was the JP17 jumper the fault...I thought if the JP17 cause the burn out of the MOBO the ram should go with it too...but not the CPU... :confused: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Regards,
Primoz

p.s. DFI has lost one costumer today... :mad:

Stop overclocking NOW! :slapass:

Sell your gear and take up knitting while you still can. ;)
11-27-2005, 08:32 PM
nn_step

THREE BOARDS IN A ROW!!
What are you doing to it?
11-27-2005, 09:29 PM
MadMikeSS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike6969

You wanted to go extreme so thats what you get man, live with it, move on , stop complaning. If you had left everything running at stock non of this would have happend. Three in a row? I dont buy it, sorry man, most if not all pc related problems like yours are from user-error. No offense, just my opinion.

I have to agree with you there. I could see one board, but not 3 in a row.
11-27-2005, 10:07 PM
Primoz78

What are you doing on this forum?!...The name it`s Xtreme systems and not stock systems! As I said before the DFI boards are used to be overclockers boards and there was not an extreme overclocking on my system the boards had bad components and thats it! Noone of my friends that has systems like mine but more OC`ed don`t have this problems...I mean a "screaming board"...For one board was my fault but two of them has gone for them selves!...Just look at the mails I have attached that DFI send me...

Regards and no offense!
Primoz

p.s. I think it this theme it could be locked now...!
11-27-2005, 10:28 PM
B5I8

Same thing happened to me. It killed my CPU. You're lucky you can RMA. I can't RMA the board because it is covered with insulation from my phase change, and I can't RMA the proc because it is out of warranty already (Damn OEM warranty's).
11-27-2005, 11:17 PM
fareastgq

Here's some info in one of my threads about my opty 175, it has a mini review of 3 m-atx boards. biostar 6100 T series is one if them, I recomend that one, but really only if you plan to build an actual M-ATX system. The asus is nice in every way EXCEPT u might hate the v-core limit.

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=78500
11-27-2005, 11:24 PM
Primoz78

Thx fareastgq!...I will look at your review...I will receive 7 Opteron 146 0540 APMW this week and I would like to have an MOBO till today...So I have to decide quick :rolleyes: Thanks for suggestions!

Regards,
Primoz
11-29-2005, 04:33 AM
NYCTeeN82

You people have too much money. 7 Opties, a few mobos, couple of PSU's. I wish I had the money for such toys. Well I do, but for so many of them.....
11-29-2005, 04:41 AM
Primoz78

...all MOBO`s has gone to RMA...so I bought just one. 6 of 7 Opties are going to be sold so I bought just one. The one that has burned will go to RMA...1 PSU has been sold, the other 2 gone to RMA...want sth more? Some people have more money than other and some people goes to bars for a drink or throu their money in to smoke...cigaretes etc...but this kind of problems are more social status related problems and not OC-in... ;)

Regards,
Primoz

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