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Nice and fresh design, great performance. I like it already! :up:Quote:
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Nice and fresh design, great performance. I like it already! :up:Quote:
Please post more reviews with extra numbers if you find them. This is mostly for pictures and preliminary results.
Performance seems to be nothing new but that looks AWESOME!
I really like that. I don't especially need my memory cooled (though others here surely do), but on a lot of boards it may save you from requiring a fan pointed at another chip on the motherboard and I can appreciate that.
Now if they can just partner with someone to create a motherboard without a 24-pin power slot right under one of those wings...
Ram changes are going to mean HSF removale and refit = involvment!
They should have made the front HS high enough for dual fans, which also would make RAM change easier.
You'd only need to remove the lower fan instead of the whole HS.
super Huge
next revision: bigger fins; dual fan support on both heatsinks; temps reduced by 0.5°C...
seriously my good old TRUE from 2007 is still in the same league as these new coolers; air cooling and watercooling have hit a wall and upgrading isn't worth it anymore....
That looks good, and those 2 x 140mm, and 6 heat pipes would probably keep the CPU very cool too, but (big butt :slapass:) you are going to get hot air all over the place.
EDIT:
I like the concept tho, you get a tween-tower without feeding the hot air directly into the other fan.
If you have a top exhaust-fan too, then turning the horizontal fan (to pull), can be a solution. But that would feed the hot air into other fan, and the whole concept would fall apart. They should have a tiny separation-wall in the middle, between tow fans, or something similar. Anyways. you don't want that air all over the place.
Has some looks to it.
But I believe it will only serve to increase the ram temps :(.
That and having to remove the heatsink to take out your mem would be quite the hassle.
if your pc case have a side intake.....it will work greatQuote:
Originally Posted by NEOAethyr
If you have a side intake, then turning it to exhaust, and turning the horizontal fan too pull too, could be a good option. You still need to put a little separation-wall between those 2 fans for best result tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondacity
This can be a good option, in a good ventilated case:
Intake: top (to feed vertical fan) + front (to feed horizontal fan), this should stay high.
Exhaust : side (to exhaust the horizontal pull-fan) + back (to exhaust the vertical push-fan)
With a little separation-wall between tow fans.
An other review here:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/g...s-cpu-kuehler/
Beats NH-D14 while being much easier to fit, nice! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh
Too bad they haven't tested it apples-to-apples using the same fans...
Mounting system is nice and solid.
But its a Cooler Master V10 look a like.
http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r..._V10_naked.jpg
I like it, but it will make removing RAM a chore on sticks with oversized sinks.
Make a hole on the back of the case and turn it 180. Cool and RAM access free.
looks like Silver Arrow with one side laid-down
You could swap out overclocked DDR3 1600 CL7 G.Skill eco's but that's about it for "performance ram".
Nice with 2 fans it should cool ram as well. I like it, changing ram is gonna be a pain sadly but I think I can live with that.
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Originally Posted by nijel
Good idea dude. :up:
Can i borrow a chain saw to make a hole?
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Originally Posted by KGB7
V10 was a bit too ambitious of a project, if they'd left out the TEC and used more fins the performance would have been better at a lower price;
MEH, performance is not worth the extra design. If you are going to have something that looks like that, it better outperform the competition, which it does not.
:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Serra
does no one make a heatsink thats like the gemini 2 but facing upward so that you can still see and access the RAM, but all air goes up to the top of the case where big fans generally are
Noctua.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
i just checked their website/google and found nothing special, just a tower or C shaped heatsink like everyone else does.Quote:
Originally Posted by KGB7
Except they make one of the best heat sinks on the market. Nobody buys Gemini.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
your right, they are practically free after rebates. lets not try and compare performance of a 20$ one (before rebates) to those of 80$Quote:
Originally Posted by KGB7
im just discussing the shape of a heatsink and how it can be used to offer something different, rather than making something random and incompatible and a pain to work with.
Not any better then this new cooler or anything else for that matter that is shaped the same as Gemini2
There is just so many shapes you can make that work and cool a CPU properly. If you want something different, then dont expect good cooling.
http://img.hexus.net/v2/cooling/CMGii/6.s.jpg
i was talking about a cooler facing UPWARD not sideways,Quote:
Originally Posted by KGB7
with more cases having the PSU at the bottom and exhaust fans at the top, there is plenty of room up there for a beefy sized heatsink that can hold 4 fans on it (2 top and 2 on bottom). it can also be built to hang right around the top edge of the motherboard so that you can still see or access everything under it. if your case dosnt have the room up top, you dont mount fans on the top. if it comes close to the ram with fans on the bottom then a good mounting system should let you take the fans off in a quick snap and your able to modify the ram without having to remove the heatsink. or just run it passively and let the case fans do the work.
i wish i could mock it up, but it seems like theres alot of pros to the idea and the only con is longer heatpipes which might be easy to offset by having much more surface area.
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Originally Posted by Manicdan
Sounds like it would be way too heavy.
There are many engineers around the world, that sit on their ass all day long and draw up new designs for coolers. At the end of the day, 99.9% of those designs go in to a trash been, and 0.01% that make it, share the same design with every other cooler on the market.
About 4-5 years back, there was a PC case it self that was a CPU cooler, it never made it to a production.
I'de rather go with the gemini personally, with the correct setup that would way outperform the genesis heatsink...
Seriously though, pretty sure this would heat up the mem a few c...
What this heatsink will do is end up heating them up from the cpu heat.
This is a gimmick.
You gotta keep that heat AWAY from the mem ;).
A true 120 and a cheap fan thingy that comes with the mem sticks will do a far better job for sure.
I do agree that if you could somehow swap it around so the one side angled part of it was outside the case, that would work well.
The pwm doesn't need to go below ambient to clock the cpu well.
It would make it easier to actively cool the pwm, but in another sence, you'de have your heatsink sticking outside of your case, that could be a hassle when traveling.
:shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by KGB7
and the NH-D14 isnt too heavy?
those engineers can fall into 2 categories,Quote:
Originally Posted by KGB7
some are trying to build something that looks just like everything else and is cheap to make and trying to take over the market for a massive profit
and others make high quality parts that are great in every way and cost a little more and work only a little better, but is worth it for the reason of meeting needs, rather than mass-producing crap.
if 99.9% of the stuff is pointless, why do we have 100 heatsinks that look like a TRUE, but are different in subtle ways? and yet none of them are really as good as others in perf/gram, or perf/m2 of surface area, or with low airflow rates. because those .1% your referring too are trying to make high margins instead of high quality.
DFI made this Mobo with a cooler like you have mentioned, but i dont see anyone using their mobo or any mobo maker using similar cooling solution for a reason.
http://img.lanparty.tw/Upload/Catalo...TX58T3eH8L.jpg
Because of the legal issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
There are heavier heatsinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
now your making less senseQuote:
Originally Posted by KGB7
first you say, they all have engineers who work hard to come up with ideas
then you say, they wanted to copy someone's design instead of use their own
@KGB7
The dfi 790fx ut board had a similar heatsink that strapped to the pwm heatsink.
But instead of swinging straight out of the case, it went to the side and was meant to fasten to the psu's fan holes.
It was a completely lame idea for multiple reasons.
Show me something like the true120 in the $50-60 range that blows towards the backside of the case instead of the top of it, and I'm game :).
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Originally Posted by Manicdan
You said same thing but worded differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
http://www.techpowerup.com/140416/Ar...PU-Cooler.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by NEOAethyr
i said some, not 99.9%Quote:
Originally Posted by KGB7
you seem to have a hard time with any innovation
with everything in a PC evolving, heatsinks should be evolving too, but with 99.9% of them working to rip of the .1% how will we ever get any quality products coming out?
99.9% can be some too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
I dont have hard time with innovation at all. But you forget that a cooler has to be practical, it has to work with most of the products in the market and has to be priced with in reason according to a market. You dont see anyone reinventing the wheel, because it works.
Look at Zalman TNN-500A Fanless PC Case that was also a cooler, it didnt last long and hardly sold. Too big, too heavy, over priced, not practical, performed poorly.
Innovation is great, but with current tech, choices are limited what can be used as coolers. I think there was an article a year ago about Nano cooling. But thats years away from mass production.
Found the article:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...c=news_ts_head
you seem to be trying to fight with me every bit you canQuote:
Originally Posted by KGB7
either you see an issue with my idea or you dont. i dont need a history lesson on a pc case that cools, since it has nothing to do with the idea i presented. you already attacked the idea saying it would be too heavy without any basis.
so why so much aggression?
... and another one that I'm using keeps my 2600K@4.7 under 70C with 1 fan pushing towards the back case fan. Fan goes off at idle CPU 23C pasive. Got it for $50 from MC when they were in stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by NEOAethyr
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Chill dude, no one is fighting with you. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
If your idea is so innovating why isnt it in production?
:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by KGB7
why should i chill when im not even getting heated. i asked why you attack everything i say, i didnt say i was fighting with you or even say i was getting mad
and when did i say it was innovating?
and my FIRST question was if someone saw one, hence my assumption that something like it WAS in production already
the fact that no one has found it made me think more about what purpose it can serve
please stop making assumptions about me, youve been wrong every single time sofar
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Originally Posted by Manicdan
You asked and i answered as best i could to my ability.
And dont make assumptions about me, what i have said, how i said it or how i feel. Deal?
My question remains. Why isnt your idea for a cooler in the production for mass market?
1) is really the ram will be cooler of just put a 120mm fans mounted right there ?
( there's no contact between rams and the " cooler " so i don't think so )
2) If you need to check your ram, change slots, or remove them... you need remove the cooler, reapply Thermal paste...
They should have drop the second parts highers ( like this you can install uninstall the ram ).
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Originally Posted by Lanek
1) Sure - passing cooler air over a warm surface will cool it. Heat is energy, moves down a gradient. Ever blow on hot food to make it cooler? ;)
2) I bet you could get beneath there as long as you don't have ram sticks that have dorsal fins.
Firs test. WOW
They had to introduce new rewards to describe its performance!!!
http://www.hardwaremax.net/images/st...ilentaward.jpghttp://www.hardwaremax.net/images/st...inis/ready.jpghttp://www.hardwaremax.net/images/stories/ocedaward.jpg
I'd much rather something that cools the PWM area than the ram
NH-D14 doesn't perform 5C worse than Prolimatech Armageddon, more like the other way around. Dismiss this one...Quote:
Originally Posted by nijel
Several years ago someone took 2 XP-120s apart and soldered them together in a similar fashion to this Prolimatech Genesis. Custom made so the upright section blew out through the case exhaust.
Edit: Hilarious! When I googled dual XP-120 it led back here!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...4&page=1&pp=25
I wonder if many reviewers do know how to do a proper job :shrug: , because cooling reviews (cpu blocks and heatsinks) are the most tiring reviews to make, as they require tons of job in order to check for consistency. They shouldn't even bother doing nothing I they won't do it properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
This forum is not Xtremestystems because of nothing :rofl::ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by PaganII
When I look at the base of these coolers:
http://www.fudzilla.com/images/stori...nesis/box7.jpg
You get only a few Heat pipes directly on SB's HS, the rest will be hanging in the air. becouse SB is really small.
The problem is not specific to this cooler tho, most of them are designed for bigger i7-45nm or 6-core CPUs. I was hoping new coolers would address the issue, but they didn't pay attention to the small size of SB, I guess.
A bunch of more reviews:
Germany:
ComputerBase:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/g...s-cpu-kuehler/
PC Games Hardware:
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,81...kuehlung/Test/
Tom's Hardware:
http://www.tomshardware.de/genesis-k...ws-245346.html
Planet3DNow:
http://www.planet3dnow.de/vbulletin/...#content_start
HardwareLuxx:
http://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php...h-genesis.html
Austria:
Hardwaremax.net:
http://www.hardwaremax.net/reviews/kuehler/153.html
Italy:
Coolingtechnique.com:
http://www.coolingtechnique.com/rece...h-genesis.html
Belgium:
Minatica.be :
http://www.minatica.be/content/2096-...matech-Genesis
France:
Centrale3D:
http://www.centrale3d.com/?Test-du-v...olimatech,6774
Cowcotland:
http://www.cowcotland.com/news/24549...h-genesis.html
http://www.cowcotland.com/news/24548...h-genesis.html
Syndrome OC:
http://www.syndrome-oc.net/index.php...h-genesis.html
Netherlands:
Hardware.info:
http://nl.hardware.info/reviews/2009...genesis-review
International:
Fudzilla:
http://www.fudzilla.com/reviews/item...tested?start=4
There will be a lot more reviews out soon, the shipment of the coolers arrived last week, so there are a lot more samples at review sites now =)
Prolimatech did a great job with Genesis, the higher the TDP, the bigger the performance gap to other HSFs becomes.
The Genesis is really not for RAM overclocker....it is really a major drawback since it must be deattached first if we want to change a Dominator RAM.
But for a steady system, which won't be modified again, it is a good option, since you don't have to change anything especially the ram again.
So...it won't be my cooler, as I change ram often to check their overclockability