Just to keep speculation at bay, here is what was actually said:
http://budurl.com/FAD2010Bulldozer
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Just to keep speculation at bay, here is what was actually said:
http://budurl.com/FAD2010Bulldozer
that part sounds like you might aswell just launch them with a 500mhz boost, and just add in a heat based throttling for when that one special thing is pulling in too much power that we would not often seeQuote:
Turbo CORE – We have disclosed that we would include AMD Turbo CORE technology in the past, so this should not be a surprise to anyone. But what is news is the uplift – up to 500MHz with all cores fully utilized. Today’s implementations of boost technology can push up the clock speed of a couple of cores when the others are idle, but with our new version of Turbo CORE you’ll see full core boost, meaning an extra 500MHz across all 16 threads for most workloads.
i also assume this is all about the server segment and its not directly related to client side
Concrete details make people happy. :)
It is a part of Zambezi feature list too ;).Only I suppose 500Mhz is a bit low for client part with 2x less cores within 125W thermal envelope :D. Say 2x that? :)
@ JF-AMD
Is this a typo :
Sepang will have 3 channel IMC ,as in non-MCM version? Or it should be dual channel? I suppose as a direct successor of BDver1 and having improved cores and 2 more of them(1 more module) it would need more mem BW,but the Terramar part is listed as a quad-channel product while being the MCM of two Sepangs.So either one channel gets turned of when making Terramar or Sepang's IMC spec is a typo.Quote:
“Sepang”
Market: Server
What is it: Server CPU with up to 10 next-generation “Bulldozer” CPU cores targeting 2-way highly energy efficient and cost optimized Socket C2012 platforms. Complete with three-channel DDR3 memory and integrated PCIe Gen3 I/O.
Planned for introduction: 2012
I am not commenting on Sepang or Terramar. Not authorized to say anything today other than platform names, proc names and core count. Period.
Ok thanks.I just thought it might be a typo in the link you provided.I guess if it stays after this it's not :).
hehe Hey J, you should mod your sig a lil bit so that it says:Quote:
Originally Posted by JF-AMD
While I work for AMD, my posts are my own opinions... so long I do not breach contractual agreements :D
8core BD with higher clock on a G34 package... thx AMD for listening to customer feedback.... you can already put a few 100 in a pre order for me :D, now i don't need to explain to my management not to move back to Intel because of core license sw cost.
I still find 4xxx server series a failure due to the limited offer by OEM, they would rather make 25 layouts of the same Intel chipset in a different form then just adding one additional line from AMD... a real pitty.
Isn't it nice when you don't have to explain the intricate details since 90% of the times they only pretend to be listening whilst looking at the report..Quote:
Originally Posted by duploxxx
:(
Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
...or the Terramar will have six-channel IMC.:D Anyway I can imagine that the 2012's 8-10 cores BD will have tri-channel IMC. I think that "Komodo" will need tri-channel for the 8 nextgen BD cores + GPU (which GPU probably will be stronger than which is in the Llano).
“Sepang”
Market: Server
What is it: Server CPU with up to 10 next-generation “Bulldozer” CPU cores
targeting 2-way highly energy efficient and cost optimized Socket C2012 platforms. Complete with three-channel DDR3 memory and integrated PCIe Gen3 I/O. Planned for introduction: 2012
“Terramar”
Market: Server
What is it? Server CPU with up to 20 next-generation “Bulldozer” CPU cores
targeting the 2- and 4-way performance-per-watt and expandable Socket G2012 platforms. Complete with quad-channel DDR3 memory and integrated PCIe Gen3 I/O. Planned for introduction: 2012
Looks like that the MCM and non-MCM next-generation “Bulldozer” will use the same socket.
I think that Komodo is not an APU,but a high-end CPU refresh based on BDver2 (or BD++) :).
BTW,I've just watched the Analyst Day Demo material here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Uy5o2Cej6Y&feature=sub
As can be seen in BD demo part,the 30% utilization while running HD video is done on purpose by an application called CPU consumer.AMD dialed the CPU utilization target in the application at 30%.
Also in the same video one can see Llano churning thru both latest DX11 game and HD video playback in parallel,while at the same time showing ~50% CPU utilization across 4 cores. This APU will crush SB iGPU with ease,it's not even funny :(.
8 core G34 model is very nice to hear :yepp: AMD is not disregarding some clients that need raw speed and not just more cores for their work load.
Maybe dual G34 with some extra BIOS "options" may emerge :wasntme:
I like the laptop on the desk from MSI, that means the OEM are much further with there designs then I expected. Launch dates and availability will be very close.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
We should chat about vmware licensing. I did some apples to apples configs and even though the sw licensing cost was higher, the total package (HW+SW) was lower than Intel. And you get the enterpise plus with all of the extra features.Quote:
Originally Posted by duploxxx
Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
I believe that the Komodo will be an APU.
http://prohardver.hu/dl/upc/2010-11/...mapdesktop.jpg
“Komodo”
Market: Server and Performance Desktops
What is it? “Komodo” is AMD’s next generation CPU and is primarily intended for servers and high-performance desktops. “Komodo” will feature next-generation “Bulldozer” CPU cores and, in desktop PC platforms, is designed to couple with DirectX® 11 GPUs to provide enthusiast-level system performance. Planned for introduction: 2012
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Looks like that Zambezi will be the last dekstop AMD CPU without a GPU. I mean that the Zambezi will be the last AMD desktop CPU.:D
Funny you actually bolded the sockets, which are different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
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Originally Posted by Oliverda
I disagree with you, see the difference. ""Trinity" will feature" and ""Komodo" is designed to couple with".Quote:
”Komodo”
Market: Server and Performance Desktops
What is it? ”Komodo” is AMD’s next generation CPU and is primarily intended for servers and high-performance desktops. ”Komodo” will feature next-generation ”Bulldozer” CPU cores and, in desktop PC platforms, is designed to couple with DirectX® 11 GPUs to provide enthusiast-level system performance.
Planned for introduction: 2012
”Trinity”
Market: Notebooks and Desktops
What is it? ”Trinity” is AMD’s next generation APU and is primarily intended for mainstream and high-performance desktops and notebooks. ”Trinity” will feature next-generation ”Bulldozer” CPU cores and a DirectX® 11-capable GPU.
Planned for introduction: 2012
Ufff...it's too late.... C2012... G2012... look almost identical for me now.http://winnerhun.uw.hu/sajat_fejet_kalapalo.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by JF-AMD
You're right but if you take a look at the above roadmap then you can't see this difference between "Komodo" and "Trinity".Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechanical Man
@Oliverda
There is no mention of anything APU or Fusion related in Komodo definition ;). Also note : "is designed to couple with DirectX® 11 GPUs to provide enthusiast-level system performance.".
Another nail in the APU coffin of Komodo (:)) is the fact it will have to slide in AM3+ and this rules out the GPU or any other integration(PCIex ,like in Llano).I say it has to go into AM3+ since AMD probably won't launch a whole new socket a year from AM3+.
But the roadmap really does not say in direction or other. You can assume based on it. But the codename description says it straight. Maybe JF could get hold on someone who would clear it up, if that is applicable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
think of the introduction year and the socket names (both 2012)Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
socket C32 is non mcm and G34 is mcm, no big difference too ;)
i believe that C socket will be smaller than G socket despite being called 2012
I've just caught this small nugget at the official press release,regarding Komodo(not in the slides!):
LinkQuote:
“Komodo”: a 32nm CPU featuring up to 10 AMD “Bulldozer” CPU cores designed for high-performance and enthusiast desktops;
So in AM3+ socket,we will get up to 10 improved Bulldozer cores just a year from original Bulldozer launch :D.It can't get better than that.
Mind you the slides said 4-8 Next-Gen BD cores for Komodo :). Press release let us know it is actually a Sepang derivative,so up to 10 cores in client space for us freaks :p:
I believe bulldozer is ahead of schedule isn't it? Last I heard it was H2. Now it's H1 or to be more accurate, Q2 :) .
Interesting stuff next year. Massive amount of cache there btw.
It's marketing my friend. Intel is doing it, and it works. it's so that you can put more features.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
Anyway, so Turbo CORE would be enabled when you're doing prime95 and won't enable when you're doing Linpack. Hmmm I'm kind of wishing of a 1 Ghz boost for single or two-threaded programs.
Unless you live in a world where, when your 2.5GHz processor can't reach 2.5GHz because of the workload, you open yourself up to customer issues.
YOU might understand the reason, but will the average person say "I paid for a 2.5 but it only gets to 2.3, I guess that is OK."
You're right on that. I was just about to quote you myself.
EDIT: We need a thread merge.Quote:
Originally Posted by JF-AMD
I think that every single chip was at some point ported to desktop (think X6).Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
I want 12-core rather than 10-cores...Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
+500 MHz boost on all cores will very good, example 3.5 GHz Zambezi will most of hard aplication jump at 4000 MHz, but still is 3.5 Ghz model for comparsion with others. Remember, SB will also agressive turbo....Where is any new info about AM3+ boards or chipset?
oh believe me I am not referring to VMware cost, that is peanuts and well covered with the current licensing model of advanced and enterprise plus. Although not confirmed yet I would assume that the at least the enterprise plus lic will grow with the core count. More issues i have is for example Oracle deploys when you are not allowed to have multi instance setups and virtual resources do not count for licensing :)Quote:
Originally Posted by JF-AMD
All non-MCM server processors to date has a counterpart at the consumer side. Now AM3 is being replaced with AM3+. At the the server side this change obviously can't be done just as easily, so the change will be further down the road. That brings me to 2012 and socket C2012, which has three channels of RAM.
Do we have a possibility that AM3+ is a triple channel design? If it isn't, it should be replaced by a triple channel design around the same time as C2012 arrives. And such short lived sockets isn't something AMD usually do.
Any thoughts?
Where did you get AM3+ from? The pic Oliverda posted says it has integrated GPU (I think), and I didn't see any info about AM3+ your link. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Dunno how you get graphics into AM3+.
Does AM3+ allow one to upgrade to BDv2/BD-next-Gen CPUs?
about AM3+ we know maybe 1/4 years ago....
Doubt you will get an answer for this. I think it might be possible, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by pokipoki
Probably I was wrong. Komodo will be a CPU (socket AM3+) and not an APU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
http://prohardver.hu/dl/upc/2010-11/13063_rmap_ck.png
Because Komodo is a CPU,not an APU...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
Well I know that, but I was reffering to the pic.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Zambezi has no GPU, but the Komodo does (DX11 capable GPU)? I know they include GPU's in platforms, but this pic doesn't show any platform names.
Read the whole thread mate ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
Quote:
“Komodo” will feature next-generation “Bulldozer” CPU cores and, in desktop PC platforms, is designed to couple with DirectX® 11 GPUs to provide enthusiast-level system performance.
enough with the stupid throtling .... Oo turbo gives .. and throtling takes away ... see ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
turbo is better ... end of story ...
JF i think there is a typo here :
AM3r2 or AM3+ instead i think :rolleyes:Quote:
“Zambezi”
Market: Desktop
What is it? four-, six-, or eight-core 32-nm AM3 socket desktop processor based on the “Bulldozer” processor architecture for the enthusiast market.
Planned for introduction: 1H 2011
JF,
This slide says Komodo & Trinity are scheduled for 2012 and description says: "Next generation Bulldozer CPU cores":
http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/20101110amd2.jpg
But this slide shows that the next generation Bulldozer isn't coming until 2013 and there will be "enhanced Bulldozer" in 2012:
http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/20101110amd6.jpg
So will Komodo & Trinity be based on enhanced Bulldozer or next generation Bulldozer? Thanks,
I think, it will simillary refresh as Phenoms to Phenoms II (but bulldozer will be not bad as B2 Phenoms 65nm :-) )
Yeah I Think they meant that Komodo will get enhanced Bulldozer core while 2013 brings another level of improvement(similar to tick-tock in intel's case). Maybe in 2013 we will see new Fusion or new instruction support like some compiler patches suggest.
who said to take away turbo? it will still exist, i only bring this up because it turbos all cores.Quote:
Originally Posted by blindbox
it really depends on how often it would need to throttle. if its really less than 5% of the work a client computer would do, then its a hidden feature they would never notice, and always think it was running full speed. and like i said before, the code which can pull in enough heat to max it out, probably is so strong anyway that performance will be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by JF-AMD
again, never said to take it away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
i think it would be quite something to see stock clocks not just hit 4ghz, but fly right past it. with the turbo feature we will probably still see similar clocks being sold, even though its able to turbo over 4ghz. the marketing of first ever 4ghz cpus with turbo, should be worth so much more than an "all core turbo"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
So Sepang will have integrated PCIe 3.0 and a new socket,Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
while the client counterpart Komodo will use external NB PCIe, and stay at AM3+ just because the socket isn't old?
We're talking about the same AMD who recently said Zambezi won't work in current boards because it would cripple the performance, but a Komodo with AM3+ sounds like hampering the CPU to me.
Besides that, AMD have no trouble telling us that the 2012 servers need new sockets even at this early stage, but they can't add "AM3+" next to the Komodo in the roadmap, like they usually do?
They avoid mentioning the socket type in the kind of slides they usually wouldn't. Making substantially different CPU dies for 1-2P server and client, it must be a first one for AMD.
I smell a new socket for Komodo, and it's part of my 2010 rant: AM3+ is a bad compromise.
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No one seems to know why the GPU is only mentioned with one of the CPU's, when both can be used with graphics cards, and neither of them are supposed to have graphics on die.
Maybe they mean integrated PCIe when they say "designed to couple with DirectX® 11 GPUs" (and not integrated GPU like I thought at first).
I can't come up with a better explanation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
"Enhanced" and "next generation" are not products, they are labels. There are actual product code names under them.
I've still haven't seen any official slide or confirmation about so called socket AM3+.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
and:
"“Zambezi”
Market: Desktop
What is it? four-, six-, or eight-core 32-nm AM3 socket desktop processor based on the “Bulldozer” processor architecture for the enthusiast market. Planned for introduction: 1H 2011"
source
So maybe there won't be any AM3+ for Zambezi.
This confirms that "Komodo" aint APU, But "Trinity" is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/20101110amd7.jpg
Oh there will be a new socket.The key is the new BD power gating features which AM3 can't support properly.So they could have crippled desktop Bulldozer or launch (electrically) new socket which will make use of all the BD core potential. AM3+ and AM3 pin counts may not change at all,but the arrangement and electrical properties will. BD will have much more advanced power and clock gating than Thuban could ever dream of...
I am looking forward to trying a couple of these 16 core BD chips in the Asus KGPE-D16 board here.
VERY solid board with 2-12 core MC 6168's in it now.
32 threads for WCG will be VERY nice.:up:
I looked oficiall slide about AM3+ for some months ago...So I am meaning, Informal saying true :)
Oh I'm quite certain that AM3+ will be used for Zambezi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
My point was that a couple of things hints us that Komodo will need a new socket again. Either that, or AMD makes different dies for Sepang with PCIe 3.
AMD conveniently avoids telling us the socket type for Komodo in the slides, even though it should be AM3+ according to all people in this thread (except me ;)).
If you include PCI-e into the socket, Socket AM2(+) / AM3(+) are not compatible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
AMD conveniently avoids telling us the socket type for Zambezi in the slides as well. What we know is only guessing and gossip.
why does AMD launch desktop BD chips before server at that time?
server platform validation i guessQuote:
Originally Posted by MAS
That is a typo, I sent a message over to the person responsible to get it fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
Everybody takes turns being first. Their schedules lined up before ours. Sometimes we are first, sometimes they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by MAS
and sometimes people who are greedy fall down stairs, lolQuote:
Originally Posted by JF-AMD
its all business, i understand
more serious, i expect that server side will be a little longer as you guys make sure it comes out of the gate full optimized, while client side is much more forgiving if you release 90% of what you expected day one, with the goal shortly after (kinda like PII 920/940 being just DRR2 with no DDR3 support, which was quickly changed a little later)
I bet AMD realised that the enthusiasts like us create the hype for the server guys and wet their appetites to buy the chips :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by JF-AMD
Did anyone not read what I said?
I did and thank you for all the info.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by JF-AMD
That's what I've been trying to say...Quote:
Originally Posted by qcmadness
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
and you know everything about how much pins amd needs to do this and that .....
let the engineers do their work and admire their design when it comes in stores ....
ohh and also there was rumors that Llano will get its own socket .. so maybe the 2nd bulldozer with the apu will get its own socket for the client side ... its a maybe .. but im saying .. until we know all the final specs .. its speculation .... and nothing else ...
Having a bad day?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
Have I even mentioned pins? What's your problem?:confused:
I'm just speculating just like everyone else, but I find it unlikely that AMD will keep the separate NB for next gen client BD, and integrate the PCIe for the server counterpart.
hehe as you know John, reading and understanding are two very different thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by JF-AMD
:D
aww yes this thread was created solely to speculate ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
Quote:
Originally Posted by JF-AMD
Komodo is definitely not a certainty. Given that AMD will release a new server platform for it, it is certainly possible it might need a new socket on the desktop as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Mats
Who's to say that new AM3+ boards are not designed with Komodo(and possible PCIex integration) in mind? AMD did similar thing with MC&BD and G34/C32,compatibility wise.They designed the platform for future MPUs and their (more) advanced feature sets.
exactly ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
amd might have designed them together ... or they might not .. but the only thing we know is codenames ... and the type of products ... cant wait for the sweet new execution planned from amd :D
new product each year sounds sweet
Zacate is on sale, any performance about bobcat seen somewhere ?
Well, Komodo can be used is AM3+ boards if AMD will not be ready with new enthusiast platform in time. AMD has done that before with AM2+ Phenom II. It is possible if Komodo is a cut-down version of 10-core server chip, that has both HT-link and integrated PCIe. Then integrated PCIe controller can be disabled and HT-link can be used for communication.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
But I doubt that this will happen if AMD will succeed in preparing new platform with integrated PCIe in time as disabling of integrated PCIe looks like serious crippling of processor to me.
Thanks for your answer even though I didn't fully understand it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by JF-AMD
One slide shows Komodo and Trinity being based on Next Generation Bulldozer architecture in 2012 and another slide showing Next Generation Bulldozer coming in 2013 :) How can there be products in 2012 based on architecture coming in 2013 :)
Since Komodo and Trinity are based on a next generation bulldozer and another "enhanced" one will be coming in 2013? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
I think you missed the slide where it shows enhanced in 2012 and next generation in 2013, which caused the confusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadov
Next generation and enhanced are only labels and modifiers, they are not product names.
Sn0wm@n:
First you tell me speculating should be avoided, pointing at JF's qoute, fair enough.
Suddently, when Informal replies to me with more speculation it's alright with you, hypocrisy!:rofl:
If you would have bothered reading my posts you'd know why speculating is all we can do.
AMD can tell us that you need new sockets on the server side, but they keep quiet about all client sockets in the slides, that's unusual.
It's not the end of the world if AM3+ boards doesn't work with Komodo, but I think it's people's right to be aware of it, before they go AM3+ in the first place.
It's possible, of course, but the idea of a socket that works with either PCIe on- or off-die sounds far fetched to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
After all, they're replacing G34/C32, possibly for the same reason.
yeah, but it will be a new product in the future. BD 2.0 is a new product of the future, that's the meaning that sampsa gave to those two denomination.
So, Next gen bulldozer would be to next year bulldozer what nehalem was to conroe. While the enhanced will be like penryn, an improvement of an existing product.
its only simillary as Phenom to Phenom II shrink.Quote:
Originally Posted by JF-AMD
@ mats
save your sanity and use the ignore list ;)
Well i know that the socket used for SNB will most likely work for IVB "It is suppose to be compatible" but Intel did not give any confirmation did it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
Also Haswell has sever limitations in compatibility with the SNB socket. There are three designs making the rounds for Haswell and i hope the old SNB socket is not used or it will be a bottleneck.
I think that AM3+ works with Komodo well at least partially maybe the APU part is not used at all or something like that. There has been a history of AMD with socket and semi compatibility "AM2-AM2+-AM3" and now "AM3-AM3+"
Given the news that old AM3 CPU's can work on AM3+ mobo's it might be also true that Komodo can work with AM3+ to maintain partial compatibility.
You all think that Intel had to change the socket from 1156 to 1155 because it was creating a problem due to the integrated IGP well its not all true. SNB could work of 1156 but Intel chose 1155 because of two reasons first was better performance and second was IVB compatibility. Then again 1156 was also chose because of similar reasons but it did not work out.
In the end "too many cooks spoil the tandoori chicken" :D Intel has several voices and can change its mind about several aspects and specifications its not logical to keep to what they think is right at a particular point of time or they will suffer performance cap's.
If they admitted that AM3+ would be compatible with Komodo it would be to easy to apply the C2012 specs on AM3+, and thus predict some of the surprises with AM3+ that is responsible for the scraped compatibility with AM3. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
Komodo is not APU.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
ajaidev:right, its not APU, JF said it.
You guys all make such a fuss over nothing. Clearly the slides are only meant to say "the next round of enhancements to Bulldozer that will show up in 2012" and "the next generation of Bulldozer that will show up in 2013" - there is no further significance to those tags.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
The point is only to show that the BD chips of 2012 and 2013 will be further evolved than the chips of 2011. This is hardly a shocking revelation.
Bulldozers are often used to move huge piles of crap from one place to another. I wonder if AMD's choice of nomenclature is to just combat the Intel hype over Sandy Bridge?Quote:
Originally Posted by hyc
:)
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by SandyTunnel
Marketing is sometimes subtle, sometimes not so subtle. I think Intel is getting more exposure on Sandy Bridge than any AMD tech or near-future tech at the moment. So, I was wondering, does their code name "bulldozer" reflect their marketing team's frustration?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMojoZ
Since you can "push" a sand castle over with a plastic shovel, how much more can you do with a bulldozer?
Since the codename is several years old you can draw your own conclusions. Apparently the K in AMD codenames stands for Kryptonite to defeat "Superman"(aka Intel) ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SandyTunnel
Anyways.
Bulldozer can come out behind SandyBridge in single threaded task for all I care.
Its still a much more interesting approach than the tock that SB is for things to come from cpu arch.
Sandytunnel, bulldozer can dig into and make sand tunnel :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by SandyTunnel
C2012 is a server architecture, don't try to make client comparisons from that.Quote:
Originally Posted by -Boris-
The original architecture were all hammers (i.e. jackhammer, sledgehammer, etc.)Quote:
Originally Posted by SandyTunnel
These new cores are all heavy equipment (bulldozer, bobcat, etc.)
i thought bobcat was a brand of equipment, not a type
(but its not my industry either)
Bobcat is somewhat specific to small/compact loaders. Good fit for the chips they represent.
I would not address a bobcat as heavy, just a cute little machine... maybe I can buy 1 Komodo and use it to build my swimming pool...;););)Quote:
Originally Posted by JF-AMD
ha ha ha :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tomasis
What, would AMD be trying to insinuate that they are going to bulldoze away the sand from Intel's bridge? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SandyTunnel
no, they're going to steal all the sand required to make wafers and thus reducing their supply to the market :D ... yaaargh!! perfect! (pirate voice)Quote:
Originally Posted by Aerwidh
Last it was Stars (K10 Family) and now will be architecture construction machines, but name of dekstop products will be geographical names...
Either that or just making a bigger mountain out of a molehill, like Intel has done. Sandy Bridge round 1 will be 85% of the speed of the Gulftown, you watch :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Aerwidh