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Though I'm not interested in GTX460 ,But my sources tell its going to be a winner in its pricing........
GTX460 vs HD5770 ,I think so & its having two 6pin power connectors too !
that card looks intact correctly with 2x6 pin for the 150W its rumored to be and it has 6 sets of solder points for ram, but if its $230 then it wont be going against the 5770 as thats $150-175 and uses way less power (about 30%) or so it would seam. it should be nice.
im hoping that this is not the full the gpu on the card as it really needs a few more shaders and a 256bit buss as if it had that i think that it could take out a 480 stock if it clocks like the 480 dose with liquid
some people say this is the spiritual successor to the 8800gt.
hopefully that means we can get $199 pricing shortly after launch.
and i wonder if these will be the first nvidia cards with dolby truehd and dts-hd bitsreaming ability
the design is a bit perplexing, the plastic shroud seems like it would particularly be bad for this type of fan
and again, lack of a metal backplate seems like a missed opportunity (although i imagine the evga models will have them)
the shroud is normal for a reference cooler it makes it so less air stays in the case so it works with store boughts or with 2 cards next to each other so it wont suck its own exhaust. and backplates are stupid price wise for a reference card when u have no ram on the back and u dont need the support. but i do agree they are nice aesthetically.
When I look at the performance and price segment, still I would go for an HD 5850.
Why is Nvidia overpricing their cards so heavy? Is it connected to the size of the chip?
You're making it sound like 2x 6pin is somehow a good thing? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by pr@$r1g
I don't think there's any way this will compete 5770, the rumored prices ($239 for the 768MB model I think it was?) are more likely, so performance should be a lot higher than 5770 too, to warrant it.
Too bad the power consumption is way too high
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Originally Posted by Shadov
- Because they can!
- Yes, GF104 is still huge and Yields are probably worse than on ATI's counterparts.
- Did I mention "Because they can!" ? There are many people buying their cards after names...
I like the design/form factor. Cooling looks reasonably effective for it's size and cost and probably one reason for the good overclockability.
Lets see,if removal of L2 cache makes any diff ;) ...Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
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Originally Posted by Kaotik
NOPE ,2x 6pin is bad for main-streamers.I thought it would be having 1x 6pin
So with whom is its competing with ... 5830 ?
Pricing is a way too high,i would consider GTX465 instead :yepp:
high?Quote:
Originally Posted by pr@$r1g
its 230$ for GTX465 performance and (possibly) lots of overclock potential :confused:
sadly true.. :shakes: come on nvidia..Quote:
Originally Posted by pr@$r1g
This card is not directly targeted at the 5770 or the 5850, it's all over the 5830 & its respective price point, the void between the 5770 & 5850.
If you wanted a cheaper 5850 then this is the card that has the best chance thus far of getting ATI to adjust their pricing to help make up for the 5830's short comings so why whine about it, this is good for everyone.
Now its time to watch ATi to annouce a price drop..! 5850 @ $259... :eek:
i hope to see upcoming lower model
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Originally Posted by Xoulz
yo i think there's a post in the watercooling forum you haven't posted this exact same thing in, get on that.
Well I remember the HD 5850 originally llaunched at $269.99 on Newegg..haven't ever seen the price that low ever since. Hopefully this will bring the cost of the HD5xxx series cards down. This GTX 460 looks promising but if it's got a 150w tdp, why did they decide to use 2 6-pin PCI-E power cables? Overclockability? A reasonable price for this card would be anywhere from $199-$220, especially since the GTX465 is already retailing as low at $245 at some places.
i hope overclockablilty, if they want everyone to push 900+mhz, this would be a good hint of that
No rear exhaust? Seriously? These radiator style heatsinks are garbage for SLI enviroments and that has been shown so many times I really wish they would have chosen a rear driven exhaust based HSF. :down: So letssee what we have here so far about the GF104
Crappy radiator heatsink: Check
900mhz to match a GTX470: Check
2 x 6pin PCI-E Connectors: Check
On par price wise with HD5850: Check
No TRI-SLI: Check
How would anyone in their right mind want to buy this is beyond me. Unless these things are just fanfreakingtastic overclockers and we start seeing 1.3ghz here and 1ghz there why would I take this over a HD5850? Or even a GTX465 for that matter
Id also like to add that people clamoring for this card for its overclocking potential should take a look at the GTX470/480 thread. VID is all over the place and overclocking behavior is erratic at best.
Limiting factor appears to be the memory controller and with yeilds the discrepency between one card and another is enormous. For example my cards on 950mv will do 700/1730 and yet the next guy get 650/2000 with the same voltage. Default VID on these cards range from as low as 830mv to 1150mv and there is little standardization between chips. For example take my two cards; one has a default VID of 930mv the other 975mv
These chips have also shown to have an enormous soft clock barrier that can only be spotted by OCCT and the EVGA test program. While mine is capped at 700 that wont stop it from running Furmark till the cows come home at 740 but the moment I fire up Fallen Earth it immediately artifacts.
The bottom line is that people are being sold false goods, to buy this card on the sole basis of overclocking is a dangerous proposition given how all over the place the current Fermi chips have been.
$10 sez half the people who buy this card wont hit 750mhz with voltage if it behaves anything like Fermi does.
(Note that I <3 my GTX470s I am just being realistic folks)
These cards will be good for the money and with a price drop they will be fantastic but dont be so gullible as to think that people are going to routinely hit 900mhz on these chips for the "8800GT" effect. That is just foolhearty. If that really was the case they'd EOL Fermi today and replace it entirely with these cards.
vantageX from xbitlabs, lowest prices from newegg
GTX480 9800 469$
HD5870 8900 379$
GTX470 7700 329$
HD5850 7500 284$
HD5830 6000 219$
GTX465 6000 249$
GTX460 6000 237$
HD5770 4200 149$
if the 460s will really be available for 199$ and really hit 470/5850 perf accross the board, then they will really be the next price perf king... i think nvidias plan is to replace the 465 and 470 and the 480 with a 490, so they can eol gf100 in the desktop segment and stop bleeding money.
funny isnt it? gf104 is pretty much nvidias cypress :D
one for mainstream, one for performance and dualgpu for highend, same strategy as ati... but nvidias cypress is slower, bigger and hotter... still, if they end up selling it for 199$ and most cards really oc to 5850/470 speeds on AIR, then this is great news!
but realistically... i dont think ati is going to let nvidia have a party...
they will just slash prices of the 5850 by 50$ to 225$ and itll make 460s look a lot less attractive...
25$ more and you get 460 maxxed out perf at stock and can still push that up to 5870 perf...
very small (and you can bet as inexpensive as possible) board
very interesting heatsink choice
interesting? its the cr4ppiest gpu heatsink ive seen in a while... :p:
must be dirt cheap... and im very very sure 900mhz was NOT achieved with THAT heatsink :D
slower? not reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by saaya
a full GF104 card (384SPs) running at cypress clocks (850mhz) could become close to the GTX480 in terms of raw performance
but I dont think they'll go much further from 700mhz...
Im curious to see what fermi2 does at 28nm...
Only way this thing would be the 'next 8800GT" is if its shader count is identical to the GTX470, had a 256bit or wider bus, was power efficient and under $200. Never fails to amaze what bile marketers spew without a second thought.
the card hasn't been released, how can you know it's performance numbers? how can you be so sure that this card doesn't justify the price?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadov
anyone else wondering why there is only one sli connector?
I saw that as well, I hope that means that they "real" GF104 wont have quite a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty heatsink and will support Tri-SLi but who knowsQuote:
Originally Posted by 570091D
it says the shader count and vantage score of 6000, i dont think that we know the rops but i would expect no difference of the gf100 cardsQuote:
Originally Posted by 570091D
there is only 1 connector so it dose not interfere with the the higher end cards, its like the with the original g92, would any1 have benched a g80 if not for tri sli once the 8800 512MB was out
it looks like a copper core aluminum radial heatsink on top of two heatpipes, so extra fins on either side of the fan... when have you seen that before? it is interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
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Originally Posted by 570091D
I agree with the sentiment of your first point, sometimes people take the speculation too far. some people are very certain about their speculation
to the second, it is called product differentiation. by removing that feature on a lower priced product, they can charge more for it in the higher priced product. like intel laser cutting the perfectly good cache of a lower priced cpu.
Lol... two 6-pin power connectors...
Id jump all over this card if it was atleast 1GB. Heres hoping theres a 1536MB model for not much more (~$25)
Many games are reach 800-900MB of usage at 1920x1200 with AA. Thats a slight problem...
lol, yeah it looks like a core2 heatsink with two extra heat pipes.Quote:
Originally Posted by bamtan2
i'm asking about the sli connector because in the past all GTX branded products had the ability to run tri-sli, this is the first GTX product that has been crippled in this way. it really makes me wonder if this isn't the GTS455...
LOL who's going to consider that ... nvidia?Quote:
Originally Posted by LightSpeed
I think 1gb one's will come later ,when there will be price wars :p:
Coming months would be really exciting ,nVidia vs ati :up:
An HD5850 should probably be more of a suitable choice. It has the power, the ram, the oc room and the power efficiency.Quote:
Originally Posted by LightSpeed
455 would be a crazy name. the 465 name only exists because their schedule and product line is all fouled up. but we should not be surprised at all to see this new board called GTS 460. the chip and feature set is different enough to warrant the title downgrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by 570091D
how have you NOT seen it before?Quote:
Originally Posted by bamtan2
this is what all lowend intel stock heatsinks look like... 100% the same... the c2d ones are tallest, but the celeron ones are just as thin as this, around 1.5-2cm...
http://www.frostytech.com/articleima...tock_nofan.jpg
and interesting? how does this look interesting?
its the by far cheapest way to create a somewhat decent heatsink through aluminum extrusion and then bolting a copper core in it... i dont think that its very efficient... especially once you cover 70% of the heatsink in plastic lol...
What about power usage under full load? That's the figure I'd like to see.
since it has 2x6pin we know its less than 225 and should be more than or close to 150 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by freeloader
I could live with that. Probably make a good folding card then.Quote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
A bit disappointing if you look at it from this perspective, its TDP or power consumption is probably around GTX 285 levels and it should perform around the same too at roughly the same cost, the only big bonus is the DX11 support. But this time around it's more ATI's doing very well IMO if you only compare NVIDIA's Fermi line vs their previous series and the same for ATI. GTX 460 is a midrange card and in the past often the midrange card performed around the same levels as previous topend card and did very well still. This time it would have to be around HD 5850 levels in performance for it to be successful but it doesn't quite look like it. Looks like no huge price cuts are in sight in near future yet... crazy when you think for how long the HD 5850 and 5870 have been sold now for even above launch price!
I think GTX 470 is the only Fermi card that makes some sense taking into account all factors (performance, price, overclockability, power consumption etc).
yeah, i agree... the 470 is the only card that offers decent price perf...
and yes, ive said it before, its so weird isnt it? in the end what you buy with a GF100 card is dx11, and thats it...
the gtx480 is replacing the 295 at about the same performance and price and power consumption... the only advantage is no sli... but is that plus dx11 support worth 500$? hardly...
i wonder where things will go from here...
it seems 28nm is still far away... for the first time in history the graphics industry isnt just slowing time, but actually came to a complete halt... its temporary, but still...
disagree.. It prettymuch stood still between G80 and G200b/ RV770 . Now THAT was a long time waiting for a decent replacement!
Thos of us who bought an 8800GTX at launch had nowhere to go for 2 yrs!