[Computex 2010]Thermalright new heatsinks

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14cm fan,fit in 12cm mounting hole
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what the hell :S

Let me guess, it's called Chaos.

cooling performance doesnt matter i wont put something like that in my case. also it doesnt look it is easily mountable

Skyscraper City.

That thing is obviously designed for passive operation, and might even get the folks at SPCR excited, they'll definitely be more excited than the OC crowd here at XS...

The should call it Medusa imho, but Chaos also fits nicely^^

Might be interesting still, fanless heatsink for i7 relying only on case airflow?!

Oh hell, how to mount a fan onto it?

I was excited to see what Thermaltake could bring to the computex but looking at those pics I'm less than impressed.

Looks like someone took a TRUE and divided by zero...

I like the first one and the single slot GPU one, would like some more pics of that please :)

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Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

I like the first one and the single slot GPU one, would like some more pics of that please :)

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So now Thermalright is copying Thermaltake? Ouch.

I'm not surprised about that first one, it's basically the same idea as the Spitfire, which seems to have great cooling performance even with little or no direct air flow.

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Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

I like the first one and the single slot GPU one, would like some more pics of that please :)

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It's not single slot, and it's not new.
http://www.thermalright.com/new_a_pa...ler_trad2.html

it seems they just stopped trying. all i see are products that are under-engineered and over-priced.

First one reminds me Medusa's hairs..

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

it seems they just stopped trying. all i see are products that are under-engineered and over-priced.

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I wouldn't say that they stopped trying, I think they're on to something with many small heatsinks in the first pics, Spitfire showed that this design is very efficient.
But yeah the first one must be a prototype, the base looks horrible.
I don't see any prices so I don't know where you got that from?

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

So now Thermalright is copying Thermaltake? Ouch.

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Actually, I've seen that concept (and Thermaltake's too) for many years, at least as long ago as last year, and possibly the year before that.

My first thoughts on seeing the first pic was "That's got to be the ugliest thing I've ever seen".. BUT it might be effective with all that surface area..
Just where and how to get a fan attached?:confused:

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Originally Posted by Movieman

My first thoughts on seeing the first pic was "That's got to be the ugliest thing I've ever seen".. BUT it might be effective with all that surface area..
Just where and how to get a fan attached?:confused:

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may be they are building this for fanless use (a good case with good airflow needed i think), or a fan bracket like zalman did with cnps 6500 (i still use that fan bracket very useful).

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Originally Posted by Mats

I wouldn't say that they stopped trying, I think they're on to something with many small heatsinks in the first pics, Spitfire showed that this design is very efficient.
But yeah the first one must be a prototype, the base looks horrible.
I don't see any prices so I don't know where you got that from?

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dont confuse efficient with horribly expensive. i remember the heatsink swiftech made that was a bunch of aluminum pins scattered in pattern that made it look "fluffy". this one with each tower having to be put together must take alot more time and effort than just a big tower with twice the surface area

o and how does air go through the fins, they are facing sideways, so is this expected to work only for towers that have the motherboard on its side, and a powerful top exhaust fan?

Thats the thing Dave, no fans.

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Originally Posted by Etihtsarom

Thats the thing Dave, no fans.

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Not a fan( no pun intended) of passive HS's.. Tome you bring in air, and then take it out.. Anything else lets the heated air "sit" and build on itself.
Now that round one does look interesting.
Wonder if we can get a delta in there?:D

I'm more interested in the giant 'orb'-like cooler. Look at the size and depth of that radial fan! Certainly an intereting take on the cylindrical heatsink concept.

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Originally Posted by Movieman

Wonder if we can get a delta in there?:D

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Look closer, there is a giant radial fan that appears to run *the depth* (edit: on closer inspection more like 1/2 to 2/3 of the depth. You can see where the fan ends in the picture from the underside) of the heatsink. It looks like it would push a lot of air, and the radial nature means all of that air could moved can potentially carry A LOT of heat away. A delta probably wouldn't improve upon that monster that is in there now.

if that fan does run 1/2 of the depth, maybe it's possible to get a 2nd fan in there so that you're pushing air throughout the entire depth of the heatsink. That could be pretty awesome.

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

dont confuse efficient with horribly expensive. i remember the heatsink swiftech made that was a bunch of aluminum pins scattered in pattern that made it look "fluffy".

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I'm not confused, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Why do you bring up a completely different HS from a different brand? Confused?
The Spitfire may be oversized and overpriced, but you still need water cooling to get lower temps.
You don't seem to know what I'm talking about, look here and here.
Only 47° C with an overclocked 5870, one fan, 900 RPM, that's impressive.

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this one with each tower having to be put together must take alot more time and effort than just a big tower with twice the surface area

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Obviously you still don't get the point why "just a big tower" isn't the best design here. You get a large cooling area, but it also slows down the air flow a lot.
The spacing between the arrays of fins in the Spitfire makes the air pass both through and between the arrays, while each array have enough surface area for one heatpipe.
I think this is the biggest reason why no GPU cooler with one big heatsink can't beat the Spitfire, even with the same fan.

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is the motherboard able to take it?

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Originally Posted by haylui

is the motherboard able to take it?

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Yes!:p:
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Originally Posted by Mats

I'm not confused, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Why do you bring up a completely different HS from a different brand? Confused?
The Spitfire may be oversized and overpriced, but you still need water cooling to get lower temps.
You don't seem to know what I'm talking about, look here and here.
Only 47° C with an overclocked 5870, one fan, 900 RPM, that's impressive.

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you proved my point exactly, the spitfire is one very big flat heatsink and does great. having a bunch of mini towers will not help airflow relative to keeping them connected, you only gain a little extra surface area while taking up a very large volume needed to fit it.

i think the best thing is to is use 2 flat one in the shape of an L, with it facing both the top and the back, so the fans in those locations can pull away the heat in both directions.

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Originally Posted by Mats

Obviously you still don't get the point why "just a big tower" isn't the best design here. You get a large cooling area, but it also slows down the air flow a lot.
The spacing between the arrays of fins in the Spitfire makes the air pass both through and between the arrays, while each array have enough surface area for one heatpipe.
I think this is the biggest reason why no GPU cooler with one big heatsink can't beat the Spitfire, even with the same fan.

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the point about bigger is cost. you can get much more material for the cost of this, and i bet this heatsink isnt even optimal for how much material is used. i never said it would perform better with twice the material, so dont assume that

I don't care about the shape, just how about the performance? :D

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

you proved my point exactly, the spitfire is one very big flat heatsink and does great.

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No it's six small towers with a spacing of 6 mm, put together with a thicker fin in each end.
Stop making things up!:rofl:

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Originally Posted by hurleybird

I'm more interested in the giant 'orb'-like cooler. Look at the size and depth of that radial fan! Certainly an intereting take on the cylindrical heatsink concept.

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It is monstrously huge. I would also like to see how it does.

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Originally Posted by Mats

No it's six small towers with a spacing of 6 mm, put together with a thicker fin in each end.
Stop making things up!:rofl:

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its wide, tall and flat, which is not like the one seen at computex, how hard is it to understand that concept?

uhmmmm that first one is a joke right? 0_o

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

its wide, tall and flat, which is not like the one seen at computex, how hard is it to understand that concept?

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I understand it, but have a hard time trying to explain to you that its design is quite unique. I haven't given up on you yet, tho!:D
Look here, it got six arrays put together. The OP's pic shows a HS with 20 of these instead of 6, but the design of one of those is pretty much identical for both.
Another picture
http://www.nordichardware.com/skrive...g/556/spit.jpg
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That prototype in the OP's first pic will probably get its parts aligned and mounted with a thicker fin in a similar way like the Spitfire,
probably with the choice of mounting fans like in dual tower heatsinks, like IFX-14, D14 etc.

What has happened to Thermalright :/, did the lead designer of Thermaltake heatsinks get a job at Thermalright?!?!

The cyclone was already shown last computex ;)

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Originally Posted by Mats

I understand it, but have a hard time trying to explain to you that its design is quite unique. I haven't given up on you yet, tho!:D
Look here, it got six arrays put together. The OP's pic shows a HS with 20 of these instead of 6, but the design of one of those is pretty much identical for both.

That prototype in the OP's first pic will probably get its parts aligned and mounted with a thicker fin in a similar way like the Spitfire,
probably with the choice of mounting fans like in dual tower heatsinks, like IFX-14, D14 etc.

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the reason why the spitfire does so well is the massive airflow available for the massive heatsink size. if someone attached a TRUE to their GPU it would do damn well too. the spitfire is nice, and does work, but it takes up space that gpus were never suppose to occupy. cpu heatsinks like the gemini 2 (i think thats the one, where it fits 2x 120mm fans and covers your ram aswell) fits into the same bucket as, bigger than its suppose to be, but also works well under silence (though still not very well)

the ONLY way i could like the design of the random skyscraper heatsink is if the heatpipes were flexible enough that you could arrange them how you want (i doubt this is the case though, you can bend them a little im sure, but im talking about 1-2" movements)

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Originally Posted by HelixPC

What has happened to Thermalright :/, did the lead designer of Thermaltake heatsinks get a job at Thermalright?!?!

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What Thermaltake HS makes you think so? I have no idea what TT have done lately, so you might as well tell me.;)

People seem to get very confused by that first HS, but TR usually shows some prototypes, and this one is obviously far from finsihed.

These new heatsinks look awesome. I'm sure they will perform really well, it's funny to see ppl compare them to Thermaltake. Maybe you should get your eyes checked.

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

the reason why the spitfire does so well is the massive airflow available for the massive heatsink size.

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It works well without a fan too. And even though it does have a large surface area, it doesn't look bigger than any other oversized GPU HS I've seen, like the MK-13, but it still performs better.

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

the ONLY way i could like the design of the random skyscraper heatsink is if the heatpipes were flexible enough that you could arrange them how you want (i doubt this is the case though, you can bend them a little im sure, but im talking about 1-2" movements)

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I'm quite sure that when/if they will launch it, it will look different, more like an IFX-14.

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the gpu in that picture probably dissipates 2x more energy than that cpu. but the cpu gets 4x more metal.

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Originally Posted by mindfury

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I bet you five bucks that they will get this aligned for the final release. They put it in this shape just for the show and tell.

First HS makes me think of Macross and SDF-1, that grew limbs.

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Originally Posted by bamtan2

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the gpu in that picture probably dissipates 2x more energy than that cpu. but the cpu gets 4x more metal.

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Because the area in which the cpu dissipates is a looooooooot smaller than the gpu and thus you need bigger dissipation area. Just think about it: a GTX480 takes around 250-300W...but its chip measures ~500mm2 and you have VRM and plenty of other parts that need to be dissipated. Instead, an i7 920 measures around 270mm2...its normal that the cpu requires quite more dissipation area, as it outputs 2-3x the heat a GPU does per mm2.

The only thing I can conjure up is, "What the freaking hell?"

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Originally Posted by prava

Because the area in which the cpu dissipates is a looooooooot smaller than the gpu and thus you need bigger dissipation area. Just think about it: a GTX480 takes around 250-300W...but its chip measures ~500mm2 and you have VRM and plenty of other parts that need to be dissipated. Instead, an i7 920 measures around 270mm2...its normal that the cpu requires quite more dissipation area, as it outputs 2-3x the heat a GPU does per mm2.

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The i7 920 has the lowest power dissipation per area out of these three. I agree that the cards use power for RAM as well tho.

In that first board:
ATI 5870 (195 W, 334 mm2) 0.584 W/mm2
Intel 1366 CPU (>98 W, 263 mm2) 0.373 W/mm2

GTX 480 (298 W, 529 mm2) 0.563 W/mm2

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Originally Posted by HelixPC

What has happened to Thermalright :/, did the lead designer of Thermaltake heatsinks get a job at Thermalright?!?!

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there were rumors in 2008 that their lead engineer left... after that all they did was new versions of TRUE, and then stuff like... this... :shrug:

its still better than thermaltake, i think, but... its not like the old thermalright stuff for sure... :shrug:

i hope that cyclone thing will work tho, that might be really powerful if done right... noisy as hell, but powerful! :D

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Originally Posted by Mats

What Thermaltake HS makes you think so? I have no idea what TT have done lately, so you might as well tell me.;)

People seem to get very confused by that first HS, but TR usually shows some prototypes, and this one is obviously far from finsihed.

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You really don't know about Tt's SpinQ heatsinks? It's not like they're new or anything.......



http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Produc...C=1148&ID=1904

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http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Produc...C=1148&ID=1831


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Some of them look more like bad modern art

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You really don't know about Tt's SpinQ heatsinks? It's not like they're new or anything.......

http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Produc...C=1148&ID=1904

http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Upload...leVIew.jpg.jpg

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i count, 1... 2... no where near enough heatpipes, it does look really cool, but it looks like it dosnt cool really well.

i think the best thing about these circular coolers is how well they give even airflow across all the fins. on standard towers the surface area used is like 60-70% (dont have the exact number), but its very clear when u have dust or pet hairs clogging your heatsink, but only half of it.

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Originally Posted by Humminn55

You really don't know about Tt's SpinQ heatsinks? It's not like they're new or anything.......

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Oh you mean those? I totally forgot about them. Not only because they're TT, but also because they weren't first with that design (surprise).
I think Zalman was first, back in 2005. Different fan orientation, but the HS is pretty much the same. Zalman used seven heatpipes though, unlike TT.
http://www.behardware.com/news/7373/...cnps8000a.html

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Originally Posted by Mats

Oh you mean those? I totally forgot about them. Not only because they're TT, but also because they weren't first with that design (surprise).
I think Zalman was first, back in 2005. Different fan orientation, but the HS is pretty much the same. Zalman used seven heatpipes though, unlike TT.
http://www.behardware.com/news/7373/...cnps8000a.html

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No surprise, I remember the Zalman attempt at it. Rather unsuccessful.

Was just pointing out the latest incarnation, the Tt versions, and their similarity to the Thermalright can. I'm sure there are other variations by other makers out there, too.

the first one looks like a city

Looks like Gigabyte came out first to the market with a cylindrical cooler and seems to have better execution with the fan compared to the Zalman. Also looks like Zalman never brought that prototype to production either.

http://www.frostytech.com/articlevie...articleID=1686

I like the looks of the cylinder heatsinks.

Mats avatar rules. :clap:

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Originally Posted by dengyong

Mats avatar rules. :clap:

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Thanks! :D I found it when I googled "best logo ever".:rofl:
It usually makes me laugh, but sometimes I only see an oriental house and a sun.

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Originally Posted by game_matter

Oh hell, how to mount a fan onto it?

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That's what I thought :ROTF:

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Originally Posted by prava

Because the area in which the cpu dissipates is a looooooooot smaller than the gpu and thus you need bigger dissipation area. Just think about it: a GTX480 takes around 250-300W...but its chip measures ~500mm2 and you have VRM and plenty of other parts that need to be dissipated. Instead, an i7 920 measures around 270mm2...its normal that the cpu requires quite more dissipation area, as it outputs 2-3x the heat a GPU does per mm2.

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no.

More pics http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,74...kuehlung/News/

There seem to be two HR-02 designs (different fins)......

there's also a Thermalright Computex 2010 video on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMQtx5cLDW4

the ones that look da best :up: (pics taken from here) :

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You really don't know about Tt's SpinQ heatsinks? It's not like they're new or anything.......

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I do my best to ignore every underperforming heatsink thermaltake slaps their LED-illuminated name on. Judging from recent cpu heatsink shootouts, there's a few decent names in this arena, with thermaltake not being worth anyone's time or cash.

Personally, I'd like to see thermalright (or any aftermarket) heatsinks for the 5870/5970 and gtx 480 which throw the hot 'exhaust' out of the case such as the stock coolers do.

Ne1 know if you can slap on 2x fans on the HR-02? If they made it truly passive aka no fan mounts, that would be RETARDED, cause I'm putting monopoly money on the fact that it will be their best performing heatsink out of Computex. I would like the Cyclone to be the best, but I'm a skeptic at this point. I just don't see that fan getting rid of the heat efficiently.

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Ne1 know if you can slap on 2x fans on the HR-02? If they made it truly passive aka no fan mounts, that would be RETARDED, cause I'm putting monopoly money on the fact that it will be their best performing heatsink out of Computex. I would like the Cyclone to be the best, but I'm a skeptic at this point. I just don't see that fan getting rid of the heat efficiently.

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the cyclone gives cold air to all sections evenly, square heatsinks have alot of surface area not being used at all, and that really thick one is going to get cool air for the first inch, and hot air for the second inch. if you had unlimited fan speed, then it comes down to just cooling the heatpipes. and given how the cyclone is shaped if u have a side panel fan right there, it should be easy to give it fresh air, instead of air passing by the gpus or vrms.

im all for the round ones, and i think they were the next logical step

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

So now Thermalright is copying Thermaltake? Ouch.

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Haha, thats exactly what came to mind when i saw that cooler too. :D

So now every heatsink manufacturer is copying another? What's wrong with taking a terrible design and making it good and selling it?

the skyscraper is only a prototype

they are having trouble with the mount the guy said...not sure he actually knew what he was talking about as he didnt know the weight of any of them...we only found out after picking up the brochure next to him :rofl:

i liked it

Anyone remember the OCZ prototype that supposedly used nanotubes? :( shame it never came out.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/486

An air cooler is only as good as its weakest link, which is in all cases the air/fin interface.

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Ne1 know if you can slap on 2x fans on the HR-02? If they made it truly passive aka no fan mounts, that would be RETARDED, cause I'm putting monopoly money on the fact that it will be their best performing heatsink out of Computex. I would like the Cyclone to be the best, but I'm a skeptic at this point. I just don't see that fan getting rid of the heat efficiently.

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It's possible to mount one or even two fans (if there's enough space between cooler and the rear-fan), so you don't have to worry :up:

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Anyone remember the OCZ prototype that supposedly used nanotubes? :( shame it never came out.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/486

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well the cheapest nanotubes I can find cost $999 per 100mg, so there was no chance in that cooler being released

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well the cheapest nanotubes I can find cost $999 per 100mg, so there was no chance in that cooler being released

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You're wrong, but it's still expensive anyways.

http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/material...ePage=16376687

And I'm sure there's cheaper places to get it.

I like these stuff :up:

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You're wrong, but it's still expensive anyways.

http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/material...ePage=16376687

And I'm sure there's cheaper places to get it.

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I looked at their prices and since they're all quoted in micrograms and nanometers (like the Carbon nanotube array, multi-walled vertically aligned on copper wafer substrate, 100nm x 30 micrograms for $835), I don't see it being any cheaper than what was quoted, so he's NOT WRONG.

Why would you want that kind of ordered array?

Single walled tubes, without any strict QC, are ~400 per gram. That's three order of magnitudes difference.

So yes, he is wrong, and so are you (since we are talking about 'the cheapest I can find it').

Also, they aren't quoted in micrograms / nanograms. How do you propose they sell 1 microgram to someone who wants to buy 1 microgram? Even analytical scales top out at 1 milligram. The price for the copper substrate is 1EA - 1 each. The numbers you read as 30 micrograms is 30 um, which is micrometers, microns.

I've already edited one post here in an attempt to keep the thread friendly BUT if this is going to turn into a "I'm right and your wrong" contest I'll toss this sucker into deleted threads faster than you can say it and add a 30 day ban to the people involved.
Leave the ego's home.
People have different opinions so live with it and accept it.
When you present your opposing opinion and the other guy still insists that his point of view is right then walk away and tell yourself "I've done what I can and you can't force someone to change their opinion."

I was just giving facts, although in general CNTs clearly are quite expensive for mass manufacturing.

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Originally Posted by D-Cyph3r V2

Looks like someone took a TRUE and divided by zero...

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
You made my day! :lol:

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Originally Posted by hurleybird

I'm more interested in the giant 'orb'-like cooler. Look at the size and depth of that radial fan! Certainly an intereting take on the cylindrical heatsink concept.

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Yep, same. I think case having a side fan will be a deal breaker performance wise, though.

Interesting.