Looking forward to 6 core cpu's

One of the things I want to test out with the 6 core cpu is setting affinity.

Id like to see what kind of performance were are going to get setting 4 cores to specifically and only run a game while the other 2 cores do everything else in the background.

So in other words youd have to go in and shut down all processes for 4 cores and only leave those same cores to run the game or benchmark. The other 2 cores would be shut off for the game but on for everything else.

Im interested in trying this and it should be interesting result.

u can't set affinity to core windows processes, atleast in xp. right?

i think in XP u can, i have XP :)...

i've always wanted to do that with my quad core... have windows and other bs run on one core and whatever im using run on the other 3...

Im running vista and you can do it..........thing is with only 4 cores say in L4D2 I lose about half my FPS by going from 4 cores to 2......so with 6 cores its more than sufficient to deal with a game that needs 4 cores and have 2 doing all the other stuff in the background.........like converting music or video and other tasks.

I wonder if AOD will support these, it should anyways. If so, then I will have loads of fun with AOD profiles. You can set apps to use cores as needed etc. I have profiles for eveything on my PC pretty much.

I've setup a majority of my games with a profile to set affinity to two of my cores at 3.6Ghz and the other two seem to take care of anything else in the background at 2.6Ghz (+2 on the game cores, -3 on the others, probably over-kill but definantly stays stable at stock CPUv lol).

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Im running vista and you can do it..........thing is with only 4 cores say in L4D2 I lose about half my FPS by going from 4 cores to 2......so with 6 cores its more than sufficient to deal with a game that needs 4 cores and have 2 doing all the other stuff in the background.........like converting music or video and other tasks.

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I've tried setting affinity on some games it still uses the other cores if they're there. :/

the only way to get arounbd that is to make window use only 2 cores threw that one other way.

msconfig > boot > advanced options

that way it won't actually use them

I've never seen anything benefit from setting affinity. AOD currently crashes when there are > 4 cores. It'll be updated, surely.

Same here,,

Maybe once the CPU is out and about and in our hands we might see a good program for utilizing the serperate cores for what we want to do..Who knows.


Also,,im not up date date with 6core tech .
Curiouse will there be a fututre 6core that can drop in a AM2+ Mobo or are they only AM3 part with DDR3?

It would be uber cool to get 6cores on AM2+ or Bios capable mobos..Sales would go crazy and so would we. Its just a dream:D

Thuban is only for AM3 socket, not for AM2+ (at 100%)

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Thuban is only for AM3 socket, not for AM2+ (at 100%)

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Not really. All AM3 CPU is backward compatible with Socket AM2(+) and the X6 will be an AM3 CPU (AM3r1).

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/new...ore_thuban_cpu

They're only compatible if they include a DDR2 controller onboard, which I think the hexacore doesn't. I stand to be corrected :)

X6 is based on new "*******Hound" core (revision), and I'm positive that you all will be amazed how great this beauty&beast will be ;)

I'm personally more excited than I was prior to Phenom II launch ;)

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They're only compatible if they include a DDR2 controller onboard, which I think the hexacore doesn't. I stand to be corrected :)

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I think that it is a wrong speculation. Thuban will be the Istanbul's desktop version which has the same combo IMC like Deneb.

Istanbul = Shanghai/Deneb + 2 cores and nothing more

Istanbul's stepping is D0 so I think that the Thuban will be the D2 CPU.

D0 -> D2: better scaling and some minor modifications maybe (like C2->C3)

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X6 is based on new "*******Hound" core (revision), and I'm positive that you all will be amazed how great this beauty&beast will be ;)

I'm personally more excited than I was prior to Phenom II launch ;)

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What are you talking about? Deerhound maybe? :D

http://www.chip-architect.com/news/K...orplan_720.jpg

It's better to be cautious about the Thuban because unfortunately it won't be faster than Deneb in single threaded applications. It won't contain any architectural changes. Deneb + 2 cores that's all, but at last it will be able to compete clock2clock in multi-threaded apps with quad-core i7 thanks to the more cores.:)

The big question is the pricing....

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I think that it is a wrong speculation. Thuban will be the Istanbul's desktop version which has the same combo IMC like Deneb.

It's better to be cautious about the Thuban because unfortunately it won't be faster than Deneb in single threaded applications. Deneb + 2 cores that's all,

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If that was the case it could be out for half a year.
That it's launch coincides with AMD's next server platform with 6 and 12 core cpus might have something to do with the dice they plan to use.
As those G34 and C32 cpus won't even fit into current sockets DDR2 memory controller is a waste, therefore it's desktop variant would need AM3 socket.

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If that was the case it could be out for half a year.
That it's launch coincides with AMD's next server platform with 6 and 12 core cpus might have something to do with the dice they plan to use.

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That was the case. :) The Istanbul die is a pretty big die (346mm2) so the manufacturing cost is pretty high. While the AMD can sell this die for $450-$1000 then they won't offer it for $300-$400. It's a simple economic reason.

http://i46.tinypic.com/vrsxo4.png

The other reason is that the AMD want to launch a complete new platform (Leo) and not only a CPU.

Six-core CPU + 890 series chipset + 5800 series VGA

Unfortunately for some (unknow) reason the 800 series chipset family is slipped into 2010. I think that there was some problem with the new SB.

http://prohardver.hu/dl/upc/2010-01/...es_roadmap.gif

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As those G34 and C32 cpus won't even fit into current sockets DDR2 memory controller is a waste, therefore it's desktop variant would need AM3 socket.

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The DDR3+DDR3 compatibily doesn't really increase the IMC size because the two standard is very similar. So they won't design a new die to remove the DDR2 compatibility because it would be more expensive than to leave that area untouched.

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X6 is based on new "*******Hound" core (revision), and I'm positive that you all will be amazed how great this beauty&beast will be ;)

I'm personally more excited than I was prior to Phenom II launch ;)

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"Thuban is derived from the company's existing six-core Opteron server CPU and will have an integrated DDR3 memory controller. AMD says the chip will be backward-compatible with existing AM3 and AM2+ motherboards. Rumor has it that the CPU will be outfitted with 3MB of L2 cache and 6MB of L3 cache, but clock speeds will likely be slower than current AMD quadcores because of the thermal output of the two additional cores."

source

I would say it's safe to say that 90% of info is speculation at best.

I would also say that 90% claiming to have said chips are either fibbing or have extremely early silicon ( etc nothing remotely close to what we will see in retail )

A little history. Same die in different package.

K8:

Socket 940: Italy
Socket 939: Toledo

Socket F: Santa Rosa
Socket AM2: Windsor

K10:

Socket F: Barcelona
Socket AM2+: Agena

K10.5 (quad-core):

Socket F: Shanghai
Socket AM3: Deneb

K10.5 (six-core):

Socket F: Istanbul
Socket AM3: Thuban

no,no, Thuban is new die, its said JF at semiacurate think.

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no,no, Thuban is new die, its said JF at semiacurate think.

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I'm sure that you misunderstood him. Yeah it will be a new die because they switched on the DDR3 support and gave a new codename for it. :)

As you can see in my previous post the AMD has never ever developed a new desktop only "high end" die in the past. It simply doesn't worth (financially).

Anyway as JF said many times he is a server guy and he doesn't know much about the desktop and mobile products.

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That was the case. :) The Istanbul die is a pretty big die (346mm2) so the manufacturing cost is pretty high. While the AMD can sell this die for $450-$1000 then they won't offer it for $300-$400. It's a simple economic reason.

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So selling a 258mm2 Deneb die from 145$ is economical, but a 346mm2 for 400$ isn't.
Seems to me for simple economic reason they should be selling 6core for 400$ rather than denebs for less than half as much, BTW Intel can charge up to 562$ for the 950.
With their current server marketshare there should be capacity to drop 6 cores on the desktop.

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The other reason is that the AMD want to launch a complete new platform (Leo) and not only a CPU.

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Last I heard even AMD execs wouldn't buy their own platforms I doubt beside fanboys many cares. Delaying the 6 core cpus for almost a year because of this is really unlikely, especially if it goes against economic reasons. Intel tried several times to establish a platform on the desktop not many could name one, let alone AMD's.

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Six-core CPU + 890 series chipset + 5800 series VGA

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6 core cpu, people who buy platforms won't really need one.
890 chipset, what difference would it make over the current ones that platform buyers benefit from ? I believe close to nothing.
5800 series Vga, same as 6 core cpu, people who buy platforms most likely do fine with the IGP.

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The DDR3+DDR3 compatibily doesn't really increase the IMC size because the two standard is very similar. So they won't design a new die to remove the DDR2 compatibility because it would be more expensive than to leave that area untouched.

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Unless they have to touch that area because the g34 will use quad channel memory and it needs a little tweaking for optimum performance.

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As you can see in my previous post the AMD has never ever developed a new desktop only "high end" die in the past. It simply doesn't worth (financially).

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This is not a desktop only cpu, what you don't seem to get that this is the same die they use in the new server cpus which will launch this year and not the ones they did last year. Otherwise it would have been out last summer.

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So selling a 258mm2 Deneb die from 145$ is economical, but a 346mm2 for 400$ isn't. Seems to me for simple economic reason they should be selling 6core for 400$ rather than denebs for less than half as much, BTW Intel can charge up to 562$ for the 950. With their current server marketshare there should be capacity to drop 6 cores on the desktop.

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Maybe you haven't noticed the difference between the 258mm2 and 346mm2 sizes. ~90nm2 is a pretty big difference in the semiconductor manufacturing and I haven't mentioned the yield rate which is very important. Anyway the Deneb is a whole different story. They should have to cover the market with cheaper Deneb based CPUs. IMHO now they can sell many Istanbul CPUs (more than Shanghai) so they don't need to hurry to sell these dies cheaper in the desktop segment. The desktop market doesn't really need six-core CPUs yet.

BTW the Intel will release only one desktop six-core CPU at the start. i7-980X for $999. It's not accidental.

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Last I heard even AMD execs wouldn't buy their own platforms I doubt beside fanboys many cares.

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You better to not beleive this "heard" things.;) Otherwise the right wording is exec and not execs. Henri Richard (fired in 2007) supposedly wrote this sentence in an email in 2004. He was just complaining about the company's poor marketing strategy.

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Delaying the 6 core cpus for almost a year because of this is really unlikely, especially if it goes against economic reasons. Intel tried several times to establish a platform on the desktop not many could name one, let alone AMD's.

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I sadly see that you couldn't understand my interpretation. The desktop market does not need 6 core cpu's yet. They don't have to hurry at all.

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6 core cpu, people who buy platforms won't really need one.
890 chipset, what difference would it make over the current ones that platform buyers benefit from ?

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You can't see through this whole platform question. You can buy the platform in parts you don't have to buy it in a complete system.

The platforms demonstrate the company's top products in a whole unit. It has an important marketing part.

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I believe close to nothing.
5800 series Vga, same as 6 core cpu, people who buy platforms most likely do fine with the IGP.

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You're wrong.;)

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Unless they have to touch that area because the g34 will use quad channel memory and it needs a little tweaking for optimum performance.

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What kind of tweaking are you talking about? The G34 contains two dies in one package while the C32 contains only one from exactly the same die.

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/data...yCours_675.jpg

As the AMD told earlier the Magny-Cours will be two Istanbul die in one package.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/__p96Ony2voA/Sf...jpg?imgmax=800

http://www.semiaccurate.com/static/u...nd_diagram.jpg

http://blogs.pcmag.com/miller/images/Magny-Cours.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/167t7ab.jpg

source , source 2

Check this thread (and check the dates)

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This is not a desktop only cpu, what you don't seem to get that this is the same die they use in the new server cpus which will launch this year and not the ones they did last year. Otherwise it would have been out last summer.

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You're right...at last.:D The Istanbul is really not a dekstop only CPU.:) The Thuban will be an AM3 packaged Istanbul with the latest stepping (probably D2). That's all. You better to beleive it now otherwise you'll be disappointed later.

Olie is dead on.

http://prohardver.hu/dl/upc/2010-01/...oadmap_new.jpg

http://prohardver.hu/dl/upc/2010-01/...admap_new2.jpg

The roadmap on the top is the genuine roadmap from the AMD.

I think that the Zosma = Thuban with 2 disabled cores.

I know I am, after a bazillion flip flops with upgrade ideas I settled to wait for a AMD six core upgrade. Will mobos for them have pci-e 3.0?
I figure since I can still play every game I want with a e4300 and a 8800GTS Why be in any rush to upgrade. I think it will be fun to skip from 2 cores to 6. When it comes down to it, the video card is doing most of the work in gaming anyways. So cheapest 6 core cpu w/ a board with pci-e 3.0 is what I'm gonna grab then OC it. I like doing things old school. Barton 2500+ <3

nice to see Oliverda, thx !

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I know I am, after a bazillion flip flops with upgrade ideas I settled to wait for a AMD six core upgrade. Will mobos for them have pci-e 3.0?
I figure since I can still play every game I want with a e4300 and a 8800GTS Why be in any rush to upgrade. I think it will be fun to skip from 2 cores to 6. When it comes down to it, the video card is doing most of the work in gaming anyways. So cheapest 6 core cpu w/ a board with pci-e 3.0 is what I'm gonna grab then OC it. I like doing things old school. Barton 2500+ <3

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No. PCI-E 3.0 supported boards (and cards) will only be released sometime in 2011.

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You're right...at last.:D The Istanbul is really not a dekstop only CPU.:) The Thuban will be an AM3 packaged Istanbul with the latest stepping (probably D2). That's all. You better to beleive it now otherwise you'll be disappointed later.

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good! ;) the more you downplay it the more you'll be surprised :up:

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I know I am, after a bazillion flip flops with upgrade ideas I settled to wait for a AMD six core upgrade.

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you're practically made yourself the legend of the forum when it comes to "flip flop" upgrade ideas ;)

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Will mobos for them have pci-e 3.0?

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is 3.0 standard finalized??

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I figure since I can still play every game I want with a e4300 and a 8800GTS Why be in any rush to upgrade.

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in your case for the sake of rush for just an ide of upgrade ;)

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I think it will be fun to skip from 2 cores to 6.

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I wouldn't be surprised if you skip Thuban ind continue to await for Zambezi ;)

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When it comes down to it, the video card is doing most of the work in gaming anyways.

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couldn't agree more!

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So cheapest 6 core cpu w/ a board with pci-e 3.0 is what I'm gonna grab then OC it. I like doing things old school. Barton 2500+ <3

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good! ;) the more you downplay it the more you'll be surprised :up:

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I'm too old to beleive in the fairy tales.:D

AMD is developing two new architectures. Fusion and Bulldozer (LIano and Orochi). I think that they do not have enough resources to develop a third one.

I've just find a nice review: link :D

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...is 3.0 standard finalized??

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Unfortunately still has not finalized: link

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I wouldn't be surprised if you skip Thuban ind continue to await for Zambezi ;)

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What's the real difference? If it means waiting for pci-e 3.0 I will end up waiting. I don't want to have the whole, buy a 1.1 board then 2.0 comes out again cpl months later.

I look forward to Bulldozer in 2011. 32nm and 8 cores sounds like heaven.

I want to know just one thing : will there be a Bulldozer compatible with socket AM3; will the Leo platform support BD?

I don't want performance estimates, I don't want comparisons of the BD core to UltraSPARC t1, and I don't want predictions on AMD and GF respective futures.

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will there be a Bulldozer compatible with socket AM3

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http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4...toproadmap.jpg


http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=3673&p=2

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What's the real difference? If it means waiting for pci-e 3.0 I will end up waiting. I don't want to have the whole, buy a 1.1 board then 2.0 comes out again cpl months later.

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Just curious, but what does PCI-e 3.0 do that is different? I don't have a clue. If it is just more bandwidth, a 5870 hardly uses 8x bandwidth on 2.0.

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Maybe you haven't noticed the difference between the 258mm2 and 346mm2 sizes.

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I wrote them so probably I did. What you seem to ignore is the quite huge price difference what you could sell these for. ;)

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~90nm2 is a pretty big difference in the semiconductor manufacturing and I haven't mentioned the yield rate which is very important.

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Relative to the size not that big difference, and 5 cores could be sold as well and for more than deneb. So your economic reason is shot down.

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Anyway the Deneb is a whole different story. They should have to cover the market with cheaper Deneb based CPUs.

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With AMD's low margins, cheap Denebs don't sound me such a good idea maybe you haven't noticed Deneb's die size. ;) Let's really leave this economic reason it's only getting worse.

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IMHO now they can sell many Istanbul CPUs (more than Shanghai) so they don't need to hurry to sell these dies cheaper in the desktop segment.

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So let's sell a slightly smaller Deneb for less than half the price, instead of making more 6 cores and sell them for twice as much. They could have better margins with the Thuban with the prices you guesstimated. Simply put they could make more money by selling these than what they make on deneb.

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I sadly see that you couldn't understand my interpretation. The desktop market does not need 6 core cpu's yet. They don't have to hurry at all.

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It is hard to interpret what you wrote as what you try to make it sound now.
Let me copy it here:

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The other reason is that the AMD want to launch a complete new platform (Leo) and not only a CPU.

Six-core CPU + 890 series chipset + 5800 series VGA.

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If that's really what you really meant I doubt anyone got what you were trying to say, this must make you even more sad.

But I agree with your new idea.
The general desktop doesn't need it, but it shouldn't stop AMD from selling it for extra profit. They didn't care much about the market's needs when they tried to sell slow native quads instead of fast native duals. Then I remember AMD was selling FX processors long time ago over a 1000$, that market must have needed those more than these Thubans.

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You can't see through this whole platform question. You can buy the platform in parts you don't have to buy it in a complete system.

The platforms demonstrate the company's top products in a whole unit. It has an important marketing part.

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What you seem to forget you used the platform as reason why didn't AMD launch Istanbul 9 months ago on the desktop.
The marketing reason doesn't really makes sense again, couldn't they use an older processor in the marketing, they have to delay it's launch 9 months to align it with the new motherboards ?
Strangely the last september launched 5800 gpus seem to fit into the platform. Seems to me the platform reasoning doesn't make sense either.

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What kind of tweaking are you talking about? The G34 contains two dies in one package while the C32 contains only one from exactly the same die.

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I am aware of that. Apparently you are sure that the IMC can't take adjustments to work more effectively in that configuration.

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You're right...at last.:D The Istanbul is really not a dekstop only CPU.:) The Thuban will be an AM3 packaged Istanbul with the latest stepping (probably D2). That's all. You better to beleive it now otherwise you'll be disappointed later.

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It doesn't make sense and neither your simple economic reason or the platform marketing backs it up.

If it's low clockspeed (compared to deneb) what caused they delay I would say possible.
Now with Thuban's lauch date so close to the new server processor's launch I find it more likely thuban is based on those, than something they launched last year.
The reason why I think Thuban wasn't launched last year because it didn't perform well enough against products already on the market and they were working on tweaking the 6 core die for the G34 and C32.

Your roadmap backs it up for me. If no improvements were made on the 6 core die why would they release a cut down version on the desktop ?
It should offer something what makes it superior to Deneb.

BTW it can't disappoint me, after Bulldozer's 2 year delay AMD won't make me believe their roadmaps until they start to deliver on time for a while.
Thuban is just something to have fun with until sandy and bulldozer, more interesting than socket 1156 regardless of it's performance, if Deneb worth it more that's what I am going to keep.

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http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4...toproadmap.jpg


http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=3673&p=2

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That is an A+ arrow pointing job.

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Just curious, but what does PCI-e 3.0 do that is different? I don't have a clue. If it is just more bandwidth, a 5870 hardly uses 8x bandwidth on 2.0.

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people say that about 1.1 and pci-e 2.0. If I can stretch this build out nicely as I have I think I'll wait to get the most bandwidth for the money since a 6core cpu will last me even longer than this e4300

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http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4...toproadmap.jpg


http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=3673&p=2

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Bulldozer needs to be kicked through the pipeline faster. Tired of years of Intel domination on top.. Deneb had a short glimmer of limelight and then was buried by D0 Bloomfield :( Come on Bulldozer, make Westmere look silly :up:

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I wrote them so probably I did. What you seem to ignore is the quite huge price difference what you could sell these for. ;)



Relative to the size not that big difference, and 5 cores could be sold as well and for more than deneb. So your economic reason is shot down.



With AMD's low margins, cheap Denebs don't sound me such a good idea maybe you haven't noticed Deneb's die size. ;) Let's really leave this economic reason it's only getting worse.



So let's sell a slightly smaller Deneb for less than half the price, instead of making more 6 cores and sell them for twice as much. They could have better margins with the Thuban with the prices you guesstimated. Simply put they could make more money by selling these than what they make on deneb.



It is hard to interpret what you wrote as what you try to make it sound now.
Let me copy it here:



If that's really what you really meant I doubt anyone got what you were trying to say, this must make you even more sad.

But I agree with your new idea.
The general desktop doesn't need it, but it shouldn't stop AMD from selling it for extra profit. They didn't care much about the market's needs when they tried to sell slow native quads instead of fast native duals. Then I remember AMD was selling FX processors long time ago over a 1000$, that market must have needed those more than these Thubans.



What you seem to forget you used the platform as reason why didn't AMD launch Istanbul 9 months ago on the desktop.
The marketing reason doesn't really makes sense again, couldn't they use an older processor in the marketing, they have to delay it's launch 9 months to align it with the new motherboards ?
Strangely the last september launched 5800 gpus seem to fit into the platform. Seems to me the platform reasoning doesn't make sense either.



I am aware of that. Apparently you are sure that the IMC can't take adjustments to work more effectively in that configuration.



It doesn't make sense and neither your simple economic reason or the platform marketing backs it up.

If it's low clockspeed (compared to deneb) what caused they delay I would say possible.
Now with Thuban's lauch date so close to the new server processor's launch I find it more likely thuban is based on those, than something they launched last year.
The reason why I think Thuban wasn't launched last year because it didn't perform well enough against products already on the market and they were working on tweaking the 6 core die for the G34 and C32.

Your roadmap backs it up for me. If no improvements were made on the 6 core die why would they release a cut down version on the desktop ?
It should offer something what makes it superior to Deneb.

BTW it can't disappoint me, after Bulldozer's 2 year delay AMD won't make me believe their roadmaps until they start to deliver on time for a while.
Thuban is just something to have fun with until sandy and bulldozer, more interesting than socket 1156 regardless of it's performance, if Deneb worth it more that's what I am going to keep.

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http://i48.tinypic.com/20jfse0.jpg

Sorry but I got tired about your ideas. The time will confirm everything. ;)

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I'm too old to believe in the fairy tales.:D

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sometimes good thing about being old is having more wisdom that tells you to not believe in your own judgments that are based on lack of any solid info ;)

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AMD is developing two new architectures. Fusion and Bulldozer (LIano and Orochi). I think that they do not have enough resources to develop a third one.

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well isn't that why we all love AMD - it never stops beating odds and surprising us ;)

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I've just find a nice review: link :D

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hehe, Ilya's work... it actually reminded me on the first "preview" of Athlon64 that XBL done with ES of K8 - it showed nothing, and totally misguided people!

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sometimes good thing about being old is having more wisdom that tells you to not believe in your own judgments that are based on lack of any solid info ;)

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These "judgments" are based on simple facts. ;)

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well isn't that why we all love AMD - it never stops beating odds and surprising us ;)

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AMD is not equal with dreamworld. I understand that you would like to beleive in some sort of surprise or miracle but unfortunately their possibilities are very limited.

The surprise will be the Fusion and the Bulldozer...hopefully. ;)

Guys, read between lines eh? Few fellow forum users are using those 6 core babes. Thats for sure. Not that i have one, id like to have one lol. Been waiting this 6 core lauch so i can buy one.
I think first 6 cores has gone on engineers when server 6 cores were lauched. But i think this time AMD has very strict NDA to keep cpu info away long as possible from public.

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These "judgments" are based on simple facts. ;)



AMD is not equal with dreamworld. I understand that you would like to beleive in some sort of surprise or miracle but unfortunately their possibilities are very limited.

The surprise will be the Fusion and the Bulldozer...hopefully. ;)

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I am afraid hope is an indulgence many people can no longer afford.

Every product and subsequent performance prediction beginning with RDRAM to 10ghz Pentium 4, to Fermi, to eVga's wank fest of dual socket1366 board, to AMD Bulldozer, to Playstation 3 CELL processor, to Blizzard's Diablo3 and Starcraft 2... we consumers, especially those of us on XS.com forums want good products, we want to see companies succeed in brgining excellent product to market, but right now, there is a public relations and goodwill deficit deeper and wider then the black hole Sarah Palin calls her brain.

die sizes:

http://www.chip-architect.com/news/R..._1600x784_.jpg

There is no need for AMD to bring Bulldozer forward. However, most members will not see the rationale for this because they have yet to see the gains on existing six-core and 12-core architectures when coupled with the bandwith of DDR3 memory.

Perkam

NEdjo: but Thuban is a bit diferent die, can be maybe a bit smaller size?

13.0mm * 18.9mm = 263mm2????

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Originally Posted by FlanK3r

NEdjo: but Thuban is a bit diferent die, can be maybe a bit smaller size?

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I wouldn't know that!

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Originally Posted by Tom128

13.0mm * 18.9mm = 263mm2????

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Good catch. Either one of the dimensions are off or it's a 246mm^2 core.

I wonder if my next upgrade (From trusty Q6600) should be i5 with dice oc, deneb with ln2 or thuban with whatever that can take and then a 890FX with sata3 and bulldozer support.
I am really in doubt when I wanna overclock :o prolly depends on how thuban does on ln2

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13.0mm * 18.9mm = 263mm2????

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The 246mm^2 is the size without the test circuits at the edges.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/j...ai_Nehalem.jpg

Regards, Hans

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http://prohardver.hu/dl/upc/2010-01/...oadmap_new.jpg

http://prohardver.hu/dl/upc/2010-01/...admap_new2.jpg

The roadmap on the top is the genuine roadmap from the AMD.

I think that the Zosma = Thuban with 2 disabled cores.

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If Zosma is Thuban with 2 disabled cores and the Zosma 960T is 95W
at 3.3 GHz (Lower power dissipation as Deneb) that would be good news.

It would indicate that power gating removes the idle current (mostly leakage)
of the disabled cores. Power gating is used in Intel's Turbo mode.


Regards, Hans

I have a question , anybody knows what's "Cool Speed" below magny-cours and lisbon??? :confused:


http://www.cdrinfo.com/images/upload...er_Roadmap.jpg

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I have a question , anybody knows what's "Cool Speed" below magny-cours and lisbon??? :confused:


http://www.cdrinfo.com/images/upload...er_Roadmap.jpg

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"The processor provides protection to processor integrity by reducing the power states when it reaches a temperature limit. This will help platform providers in reducing system fan speeds which eventually could result in better efficiency."

http://citavia.blog.de/2010/01/31/gl...l/1/#c12177024

Saw this on AMDZone. Interesting read about HKMG at GF, I wonder what that is all about.

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So selling a 258mm2 Deneb die from 145$ is economical, but a 346mm2 for 400$ isn't.
Seems to me for simple economic reason they should be selling 6core for 400$ rather than denebs for less than half as much, BTW Intel can charge up to 562$ for the 950.
With their current server marketshare there should be capacity to drop 6 cores on the desktop.



Last I heard even AMD execs wouldn't buy their own platforms I doubt beside fanboys many cares. Delaying the 6 core cpus for almost a year because of this is really unlikely, especially if it goes against economic reasons. Intel tried several times to establish a platform on the desktop not many could name one, let alone AMD's.



6 core cpu, people who buy platforms won't really need one.
890 chipset, what difference would it make over the current ones that platform buyers benefit from ? I believe close to nothing.
5800 series Vga, same as 6 core cpu, people who buy platforms most likely do fine with the IGP.



Unless they have to touch that area because the g34 will use quad channel memory and it needs a little tweaking for optimum performance.



This is not a desktop only cpu, what you don't seem to get that this is the same die they use in the new server cpus which will launch this year and not the ones they did last year. Otherwise it would have been out last summer.

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who told you about that? Intel?
another fallen for Intel's market/court defence strategy .....

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http://citavia.blog.de/2010/01/31/gl...l/1/#c12177024

Saw this on AMDZone. Interesting read about HKMG at GF, I wonder what that is all about.

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means GF is able to deliver 45nm HKMG chips

Oh ok. I thought it was something significant when I first read it. :D but I wonder who could or would use 45nm HKMG. They wouldn't develop it just for practice would they?