LOTES socket on Gigabyte P55A, only the bracket.

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11-20-2009, 08:39 AM
sxs112

LOTES socket on Gigabyte P55A, only the bracket.

http://bbs.chiphell.com/viewthread.php?tid=60436

Someone bought a Gigabyte P55A-UD5 and found out the "LOTES socket" is actually bracket.

Gigabyte don't use LOTES socket on P55A baords as they claimed,
or they use only the lotes bracket not the whole socket.

It's said in serveral review that Gigabyte will use LOTES socket instead of FOXCONN.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/sto...-performance/2
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/13357/...wer/index.html
http://www.inpai.com.cn/doc/hard/109409_2.htm

But the truth is, they're still us FOXCONN socket, they only change the bracket to LOTES.
I just wonder if Gigabyte do this to make us believe they're using LOTES socket.
What if under the LOTES bracket, there is a cheap socket other than FOXCONN?
Would we know? Should we use it?

http://ultraxs.com/image-CF65_4B039EB5.jpg

http://ultraxs.com/image-13C7_4B039EB5.jpg

http://ultraxs.com/image-0CD2_4B039EB5.jpg

http://ultraxs.com/image-BC30_4B039EB5.jpg

http://ultraxs.com/image-762D_4B039EB5.jpg
11-20-2009, 08:40 AM
zalbard

Meh, disappointing... It was just a rumour, though.
Did Foxconn sockets improve any?
11-20-2009, 08:44 AM
eva2000

Interesting but remember that is just one board/sample. Might need to open up a few more boxes to confirm if it's the case heh.
11-20-2009, 09:54 AM
Leeghoofd

Foxconn did improve the plastic composition according Hicookie... only time will tell... and not to burst ya bubble SXS112 but Asus boards have also been spotted with burned sockets... so there's more to it then just barely the Foxconn socket...
11-20-2009, 10:04 AM
G.Foyle

Same thing here on P55A-UD6. Lotes bracket, Foxconn socket.
11-20-2009, 10:05 AM
Locke

OOO I just bought a P55A-UD4P on the basis of the LOTES socket. The bracket is def LOTES, but I'll check when i get home on the manu of the actual socket. I'll be pissed if its a foxconn.
11-20-2009, 10:06 AM
Leeghoofd

Well Hicookie told us this at the Gigabyte TweaKing event (mix of components), I think you should blame the review sites for not looking any further :p
11-20-2009, 10:29 AM
zsamz_

i wonder how many pennies gigabut saved:ROTF:
11-20-2009, 10:33 AM
askimo

:down: What a shame
11-20-2009, 10:54 AM
Frank M

*yawn*
Anus, MSI still use what? Foxconn.
11-20-2009, 11:08 AM
Erklat

Is eVGA foxconn-proof,or it too requires contacting retailer prior to ordering?
Although,I think this socket burn is overexaggerated,but better being on the safe side...
11-20-2009, 11:10 AM
TheGreenFoX

How to check what type of socket my P55A has?
11-20-2009, 11:23 AM
Marco André

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGreenFoX

How to check what type of socket my P55A has?

http://ultraxs.com/image-762D_4B039EB5.jpg :up:
11-20-2009, 11:31 AM
AndrewZorn

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGreenFoX

How to check what type of socket my P55A has?

im no expert but it says it on the side in OP
EDIT i was beaten
11-20-2009, 03:15 PM
Humminn55

What I see in the photos above are two different motherboards, not pics of just one.

Take a look at the third and fourth pics above......the silkscreening is different...I've put them below with the silkscreened differences circled....

http://jamayer.org/pics/image-0CD2_4B039EB5.1.jpg

http://jamayer.org/pics/image-BC30_4B039EB5.1.jpg

Now, if they're the same board, why was the SATA emblem left off the one with the LOTES cover showing and the "PCH_HS" shortened from the "PCH_Heatsin" silkscreen on the board with the cover lifted up?

Of course, this doesn't even touch the completely different set/rows of capacitors or the different RAM slots (One board has showing one blue then one white while the other board has two blue then one white slot...........)
11-20-2009, 03:29 PM
miahallen

I have the P55A-UD3R and P55A-UD6 at home...working on a review of them now...I'll check them out when I get home from work tongiht :)
11-20-2009, 03:40 PM
AndrewZorn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humminn55

What I see in the photos above are two different motherboards, not pics of just one.

Take a look at the third and fourth pics above......the silkscreening is different...I've put them below with the silkscreened differences circled....

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[IMG]-[/IMG]

Now, if they're the same board, why was the SATA emblem left off the one with the LOTES cover showing and the "PCH_HS" shortened from the "PCH_Heatsin" silkscreen on the board with the cover lifted up?

Of course, this doesn't even touch the completely different set/rows of capacitors or the different RAM slots (One board has showing one blue then one white while the other board has two blue then one white slot...........)

wow good find
11-20-2009, 04:09 PM
sxs112

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humminn55

What I see in the photos above are two different motherboards, not pics of just one.

Take a look at the third and fourth pics above......the silkscreening is different...I've put them below with the silkscreened differences circled....

http://jamayer.org/pics/image-0CD2_4B039EB5.1.jpg

http://jamayer.org/pics/image-BC30_4B039EB5.1.jpg

Now, if they're the same board, why was the SATA emblem left off the one with the LOTES cover showing and the "PCH_HS" shortened from the "PCH_Heatsin" silkscreen on the board with the cover lifted up?

Of course, this doesn't even touch the completely different set/rows of capacitors or the different RAM slots (One board has showing one blue then one white while the other board has two blue then one white slot...........)

P55A-UD6 and P55A-UD5
11-20-2009, 04:18 PM
BenchZowner

Oh that's nice :D

Hopefully they're using the new revision of the Foxconn socket, which seems to be ok ( no damaged Asus Maximus III Formulas yet :p: )
11-20-2009, 04:34 PM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by zsamz_

i wonder how many pennies gigabut saved:ROTF:

lol LOTES socket is cheaper than Foxconn lol
11-20-2009, 04:52 PM
Glow9

What is it you guys are complaining about example? I'm confused.
11-20-2009, 05:19 PM
M.Beier

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGreenFoX

How to check what type of socket my P55A has?

Ask me :D

Its correct; LOTES bracket, FOXCONN plastic/pins... Well I do in fact believe Gigabyte has done some research and it isnt just guessing... ;)
But let the first P55A with burned socket prove me wrong....

I still think it was related to uneven pressure by bracket..

EDIT:
I dont think Gigabyte stated it was LOTES only, I think closest they have stated is "due the issues with the current foxconn sockets, we have changed it", and they have, not fully away from foxconn, but changed it.
11-20-2009, 05:22 PM
miahallen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glow9

What is it you guys are complaining about example? I'm confused.

Foxconn "socket burn"
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=234723
11-20-2009, 05:28 PM
Glow9

Yeash....... Who else makes these besides Foxconn?
11-20-2009, 05:36 PM
zsamz_

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinos22

lol LOTES socket is cheaper than Foxconn lol

cheaper to change brackets than to sell the boards @ the big discount they were selling
still foxconn socket lotess bracket
i guess you a gigabut ceo you must know:ROTF:
11-20-2009, 05:56 PM
stasio

Quote:

Originally Posted by M.Beier

Ask me :D

Its correct; LOTES bracket, FOXCONN plastic/pins... Well I do in fact believe Gigabyte has done some research and it isnt just guessing... ;)
But let the first P55A with burned socket prove me wrong....

I still think it was related to uneven pressure by bracket..

EDIT:
I dont think Gigabyte stated it was LOTES only, I think closest they have stated is "due the issues with the current foxconn sockets, we have changed it", and they have, not fully away from foxconn, but changed it.

Yes,you are right.
LOTES produce only bracket but no plastic socket with pins.This thing confuse some people.
I contacted Lotes last month and they can only retail sell 100pcs and above.
This price I get from them (1 set):
Socket 1156 – USD 3.50
ILM - USD 2.20
Backplate - USD 1.00
http://www.lotes.cc/product_info.php?id=3289#

"Independent Loading Mechanism (ILM)"
Intel LGA1156 Socket PDF

Quote:

Originally Posted by sxs112

Gigabyte don't use LOTES socket on P55A baords as they claimed,
or they use only the lotes bracket not the whole socket.

Btw,for sxs112 and all Asus fans.
Asus Maximus III with Lotes bracket and Foxconn socket:

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7723/asusfoxconn.jpg
Maybe I should open new thread about this.:rofl:
11-20-2009, 06:32 PM
miahallen

Humm...so we should be able to swap LOTES brackets onto boards with Foxconn brackets, and the socket burn should go away then???
11-20-2009, 09:06 PM
STEvil

doubt the bracket is the issue, or the plastic compound for that matter.
11-20-2009, 11:02 PM
Erklat

So,is it everywhere Lotes bracket/foxconn plastics combination or not?

I'm confused right now,does eVGA for example use this combination?
11-22-2009, 12:12 PM
STaRGaZeR

Gygabyte marketing guys clearly skipped some Photoshop classes. Look at their Smart6 robot:

http://thumbnails20.imagebam.com/571...0c57148854.gif http://thumbnails20.imagebam.com/571...cb57148857.gif http://thumbnails21.imagebam.com/571...4c57148862.gif

Now compare it to this one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...GundamExia.jpg

Search for "Gundam Exia" in Google, you'll find lots of pictures from different angles :rofl:

Manufacturers should STFU and start designing their own stuff instead of just copying the competition or other sources.
11-22-2009, 12:26 PM
Leeghoofd

I think you need another hobby man, if this bothers you lol. As long as they don't put a nude man on the box I don't mind... it's hard to stay original in this market...
11-22-2009, 02:14 PM
Luka_Aveiro

Oh Noes! Gigabyte is copying my transformers! You bastards, go copy Asus warrior princess or something, leave my transformers alone! They're human!
11-22-2009, 02:34 PM
Koen

Quote:

Originally Posted by stasio

Yes,you are right.
Btw,for sxs112 and all Asus fans.
Asus Maximus III with Lotes bracket and Foxconn socket:
(...)
Maybe I should open new thread about this.:rofl:

This picture shows pre-production model and it is not Lotes bracket anyway. In retail version of Maximus III both socket and bracket and typical Foxconn ones and the ram-slot closest to the socket is black :up:
11-23-2009, 01:57 AM
BulldogPO

Thats indeed true.
Same thing with P55A-UD6:

http://bulldogpo.wippiespace.com/P55..._LGA_lotes.jpg

http://bulldogpo.wippiespace.com/P55...6_LGA_what.jpg

http://bulldogpo.wippiespace.com/P55...xconn_base.jpg
11-23-2009, 05:04 AM
sxs112

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2516/...4bd120ae_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2539/...665f53af_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2640/...9e9cda42_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2788/...dddef3d6_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2505/...3d8fffef_o.jpg
11-23-2009, 12:07 PM
Locke

same with p55a-ud4p
11-23-2009, 09:31 PM
xVeinx

It could be uneven pressure on the chip itself, which the bracket change could improve. A quick test or two would tell you the difference...
11-26-2009, 04:27 PM
miahallen

Quote:

Originally Posted by miahallen

I have the P55A-UD3R and P55A-UD6 at home...working on a review of them now...I'll check them out when I get home from work tongiht :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by stasio

Yes,you are right.
LOTES produce only bracket but no plastic socket with pins.This thing confuse some people.

After having stasio confirm this, I didn't think additional confirmation was needed...but in case anyone was wondering, both my P55A-UD3R and P55A-UD6 confim the findings here, LOTES bracket, Foxconn socket.

However, no problems with socket burn yet :up:
11-26-2009, 06:22 PM
Benny Lodewijk

I also found Foxconn socket but LOTES bracket in my P55A-UD6, UD4P and UD3P. And i notice the part/model number is difference compare to non "A" socket. So, i think this is the revise socket already from Foxconn
12-02-2009, 05:43 PM
Benny Lodewijk

I just found this link :

http://www.intel.com/design/corei7/components/

Those link said clearly, Lotes not make the LGA1156 socket, only ILM backplate. Foxconn, Molex and Tyco is the manufacturer of socket LGA1156. So, there's no Lotes LGA1156 socket after all.
12-02-2009, 06:27 PM
Vinas

Quote:

Originally Posted by M.Beier

Ask me :D

I still think it was related to uneven pressure by bracket..

I agree 100%. Also, one brand isn't really better here. It's a design flaw... Check your board, I guarantee you have foxconn components on it somewhere. :D So the make isn't so much the problem IMHO.

That's why the people benchin LN2 with super weight on the sockets and high volts were the only ones having this issue. A little more pressure on one area and the pins fail to contact the other side well enough. Like a perfect storm me thinks.

PS: Good find Benny!
12-02-2009, 06:34 PM
hicookie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinas

I agree 100%. Also, one brand isn't really better here. It's a design flaw... Check your board, I guarantee you have foxconn components on it somewhere. :D So the make isn't so much the problem IMHO.

That's why the people benchin LN2 with super weight on the sockets and high volts were the only ones having this issue. A little more pressure on one area and the pins fail to contact the other side well enough. Like a perfect storm me thinks.

dude, be honestly
i ran P55 for 5 monthes LN2 test, never has one board casue socket burn
i try to duplicate the socket burn then find the answer, but
just even i wprime 5GHz-5.2GHz, and vantage liket that, my CPU
and socket is nothing happen with P55-UD4/5/6

the other reason, think it about this.
the pin of 1156 is very crowded, if you do compare with S775 and S1366
so do you guys think and look every case the Pin doesn't touch the center of
pan could casue the socket burn?
12-02-2009, 06:41 PM
M.Beier

I think Gigaboy was developed by some students if Im not mistaking ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by miahallen

After having stasio confirm this, I didn't think additional confirmation was needed...but in case anyone was wondering, both my P55A-UD3R and P55A-UD6 confim the findings here, LOTES bracket, Foxconn socket.

However, no problems with socket burn yet :up:

That is because you dont put your system to the limit, n00b! :rofl:

Nah just kidding :)
12-12-2009, 06:58 PM
ehume

Sorry. OT.
12-13-2009, 02:34 AM
patrickgerry

Quote:

Originally Posted by hicookie

dude, be honestly
i ran P55 for 5 monthes LN2 test, never has one board casue socket burn
i try to duplicate the socket burn then find the answer, but
just even i wprime 5GHz-5.2GHz, and vantage liket that, my CPU
and socket is nothing happen with P55-UD4/5/6

the other reason, think it about this.
the pin of 1156 is very crowded, if you do compare with S775 and S1366
so do you guys think and look every case the Pin doesn't touch the center of
pan could casue the socket burn?

Are you saying then that Gigabyte does not know the real cause of the problem, made a change and is hoping that the problem will go away?
12-13-2009, 02:39 AM
dinos22

i can also confirm what hicookie is saying

i have tested P55 boards from super early samples > 0.1 revisions to pre-retail release & retail boards in full giga range all Foxconn all tortured big time and no issue at all

i also tested MSI P55 board with foxconn socket big volts wprime the lot ... nothing........i killed the MSI board but thats another story lol...socket is intact heh
12-13-2009, 02:44 AM
kiwi

Dino, which msi? GD80, GD65 or some other?

Curious cause I ordered gd65 for some tests :) MSI seem to love overclocking community and advertise it a lot on the board itself and manuals :D
12-13-2009, 02:48 AM
dinos22

GD80 :up:
12-13-2009, 02:54 AM
M.Beier

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinos22

i can also confirm what hicookie is saying

i have tested P55 boards from super early samples > 0.1 revisions to pre-retail release & retail boards in full giga range all Foxconn all tortured big time and no issue at all

i also tested MSI P55 board with foxconn socket big volts wprime the lot ... nothing........i killed the MSI board but thats another story lol...socket is intact heh

What is high voltage? :)
I had the problem with mine (no35 P55?), the BIOS, if I went to 1.6v it was 1.7v... from 1.6 to 1.7v, nothing worked, it just set it 0.1v higher...
Anyhow, also ran high vcore on early sample, but only for short time, unlike the LN2 drinking cookie :)

EDIT: I still drink more liters of beer then LN2 a year :)
12-13-2009, 03:06 AM
dinos22

1.68v under load in wprime

high voltage on these boards is very tricky >> past 1.6
sometimes you have to clear cmos and :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:foot around booting up from lower to higher gradually to get it to stick and getting perfect VTT and temp on gigabyte was very important for example...................for MSI similar behaviour but VTT could be left at 1.37 for example it didnt matter what else i tried
12-13-2009, 05:44 AM
Frank M

Quote:

Originally Posted by M.Beier

the LN2 drinking cookie :)

EDIT: I still drink more liters of beer then LN2 a year :)

Lol :D

You are da man. You put the "I" back in beer. Making it Beier. :D

(sorry for the o/t and the lame pun :p:)
12-15-2009, 12:58 PM
irev210

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benny Lodewijk

I just found this link :

http://www.intel.com/design/corei7/components/

Those link said clearly, Lotes not make the LGA1156 socket, only ILM backplate. Foxconn, Molex and Tyco is the manufacturer of socket LGA1156. So, there's no Lotes LGA1156 socket after all.

Just because intel website doesn't list LOTES doesn't mean no socket exists.

They probably just didn't get around to updating it.

Pictures here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=239841

My P7P55D-E Deluxe has a LOTES socket and a LOTES bracket.

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