I hope some of you guys have samples of these boards already. Or at least dimensions.
I hope some of you guys have samples of these boards already. Or at least dimensions.
I am hoping to get a HD5870x2 with a nickel plated EK block to replace my HD4870x2 that has a DD block on it.
Nickel plated blocks are so much prettier than exposed copper blocks which are susceptible to tarnishing and oxidation.
it's always a race to come out with a waterblock first the a new GPU, but i think they have to wait for it to launch to get dimensions. there's never a case where the block comes out the same day the card launches.
Come on Eddy any word on the 5870 EK blocks yet?
Our ETA is up and subject to "change", pricing to come soon too.
http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...product_id=926
Dean i was just going to link to that.... beat me to it haha
are the mounting holes for gpu only blocks the same as older generations?
I'm more interested on the GPU only block and unisink support. Gabe, are you planning uni-sinks for these new cards?
I don't know about "the same", but [H]ocp had some pictures yesterday of the GPU area. And most GPU only blocks have enough flexibility in their mounting to make any variance a non-issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boogerlad
Unisinks are an interesting option too... any plans on expanding into that territory dean?
4870 vs 5870. Looks the same to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by millertime359
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...gain/in3b1.jpg
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by millertime359
I much prefer the unisink + gpu block options makes my setup a little more future proof...
I have heard that the mounting holes seem to be the same, so the current GPU only blocks should fit. I'm more curious about the heatsink plates for passively cooling the rest of the board.
The race is on. Looks like Dean is in the lead so far with a web page awaiting a product with price and details. Eddy whatcha got cooking on your end of the track? I am sure Gabe will have a unisink out soon enough as those mounts look the same for the water block.
:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bojamijams
GPU-200
HTS-GP001P
lol... as for a "uni-sink" its been discussed, we haven't really had a demand for it though.
I like my Swiftech version for my GTX260. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by [Koolance] Dean
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Originally Posted by [Koolance] Dean
Bad to hear that really :down:
Performance between full cover and gpu + heatsink are equal, but, the second one, at last have one part that you can reuse.
With full cover you simply cant . . . perhaps they look better, but now that vgas last only half an year, they dont look like a "better looking" option to me :shrug:
i'm waiting to see who will be the first to cram a gpu block into the stock cooler .... so i can copy it : PQuote:
Originally Posted by millertime359
we cant crossfire that..or sli :DQuote:
Originally Posted by [Koolance] Dean
I didn't say it wasn't worth looking at, just not many people asking us for it. In fact you three/four are the first to really bring it up to me. We'll see, the video card market is pretty hectic the past two years lol.
no i gaurentee you nvidia and ati will be even more OCD and pop PCB revisions all over again.Quote:
Originally Posted by [Koolance] Dean
Exactly.. and individual heatsinks are a pain.. I've done that with my 8800GT SLI setup and have had to deal with the pain of one of them falling off (and they never stay on as good ever again).. and if they do fall off, they risk shorting whatever is below it.. so I'll definitely never do individual sinks on GPU again but I absolutely would love a screw-on unisink
$30-40 is a lot easier to stomach then $100-200
Another thing to consider dean.. or gabe.. or anyone whose on the ball with unisinks... ASUS has announced their TOP version of the 5870 (and 5850 later I assume) which will allow software voltage tweaks.. now this might mean non-reference PCB which puts the full-block option a pain for both you and the consumer, but a uni-sink is a lot better approach. Not to mention, it allows adding a fan onto the vrm area for additional cooling if needed...
correct me if I'm wrong, but no full-cover gpu that I've seen yet has flow over the VRM's
My advice to you guys
for your best chance at not getting a block that wont fit your card.
Adopt earily.
After that its like playing a lottery.
Couldn't disagree more. :D Comparing aesthetics of a unisink to a board specific block is like comparing my built Eagle Talon to a Ferrari F430. Sure they preform on par with each other, but the Ferrari is just dead sexy :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Edward88
Danny at DTek invented the term Unisink. (Correct me if I am wrong Danny) but didn't "uni" in unisink meant universal? How close are we today of a universal heatsink for VGA? :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bojamijams
O, I always thought "uni" referred to one. To distinguish from the sticky heatsinks. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
you might be right.. Danny would have to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by millertime359
Anyways, the point I really wanted to make was that the proliferation of revisions and models is making this VGA market insanely difficult to cater to.
O, i don't disagree one bit. It would be nice if they didn't have to change PCB reference designs every 2 weeks. It kindof defeats the purpose of having a reference design. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
ROFL...
Gabe on the bright side tho, how long has the MCW60 been in circulation? :P
That's about as universal as they can get.
it's too early to tell. Right now the ATI 5870 has limited quantities. My thought is you may see them in around the first week or the second week of Oct.
The problem with the unisinks are that by the time you buy the GPU block and then the matching unisink, you've mostly likely spent as much as just buying a full cover block. I say forget the unisinks and just go for full coverage. Sure the GPU only blocks are going to be more compatable, but then you have to direct a fan at your card to cool off everything else which normally looks kinda weird.
BTW, anyone have pics of what the 5870's heatsink looks like under the shroud? I'm wondering if it is like the 4870 where you can leave the stock plate with fan on to cool the memory and VRMs while a GPU block covers the core. :)
Regrettably i think the answer is no.Quote:
Originally Posted by autobot
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/..._card_review/4
Hi!Quote:
Originally Posted by fornowagain
Anybody has the card already? :)
I am testing the prototype in 1 hour. ;)
I guess we will have the blocks ready to sell in 7-10 days if anyone will want to buy it, as the availability is poor.
Eddy
PICTURES!!!!:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
What they have actually hard mounted the core heatsink to the other one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kibbler
Bring on the Unisinks!
nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zehnsucht
http://www.hardocp.com/images/articl...vJfn_4_7_l.jpg
we will be fine just unscrew that and the heatsink will come off, similar thing to 4870 :D:D:D:D
now at least i can buy gpu block ;)
swiftech mcw-60 coming my way =D
Sweet.
But for a 5850 I might be buying a heatkiller block instead. I really hate the groove of the swiftech products.
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Originally Posted by woffen
Here here, let's see some pics asap! :up:
Right now only these:
http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/uploads...5870_block.jpg
http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/uploads...870_copper.jpg
On tuesday complete block.
unisink and MCW60 for GTX285 $68.00Quote:
Originally Posted by autobot
FC block $112.00
Thats a $44.00 difference. That will just about buy you a MCR320-QP, so there is a bit of savings going to a unisink, but they do have their downsides.
@ Eddy,
I like the old logo better. It had this flow to it. :yepp:
The prototypes look good though. :up:
Really, you do?Quote:
Originally Posted by millertime359
My first impression when I saw the new logo on the top plate in that render was that it looked pretty sick and better than the old one lol! :rofl:
Either way still looks like a great block. Congrats!
Looking good as usual Eddy! :up: I like the new logo as well. Kind of innovative in the merging of the 2 letters. Looks like an 'Autobot' or 'Decepticon' face sideways.
I just liked the flow the other logo had. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ketzer7
I have nothing against this one, and i can see where it would be nice for CPU blocks and what not. A little smaller footprint.
Uhhh... no. As proven above, you have not almost spent as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by autobot
Not to mention that once you buy the GPU block then from that point on, ALL you have to spend is about $30-40 for a new unisink.. and possibly 5-10 (or free) for another bracket to fit the GPU block to that card
And who says you HAVE to have a fan? Most will work fine with just the airflow inside the case, but UNLIKE full-cover gpu, you actually HAVE the option to put a fan on ANYWHERE on the block if you want even more cooling
On another note, if you rotate your head to the right, that new EK logo kinda looks like an autobot sign.
Eddy,
It looks like this new block extends out further and covers the VRMs as well without the secondary aluminum plate. If so, good job.
The quote almost sounds like having the ability to cool the rest of the card with a fan is an upgrade to watercooling the whole card in the first place... :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bojamijams
The MCW60 was designed in 2005 :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Heh, yea it does. :D But I like it a lot better than the old logo... you should maybe make it a little bigger. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bojamijams
Correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrokenArrow
I wanted to bring water as close as possible to VRM's.
It is for VRM's.. water generally doesn't flow over this area though I'm happy to see Eddy post below that it does now.Quote:
Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy
Nevertheless, when you get into voltage adjustments on the card, the VRMs can get really really hot.
Oh don't know, I'll have two as soon as they're ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Bojamijams does have a point though. Unisinks are really useful.. I've used my same MCW-60 on 3 different videocards and have only spend $50 on heatsinks for all three together... Thats a ton of money saved... And I have never found an increase in over clocks by directing a fan on my heatsink than just letting the normal airflow over it, that heatsink is HUGE.
Hi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Does it cover this VDDC chip / that area?
http://img.techpowerup.org/090925/bta074.jpg
Thanks.
Oooh yeah that would be good to know
Looks like it does.
You kind of line up the block to the PCB by starting at the bottom left corner where it goes from that ~45 degree edge back to straight parallel with the bottom of the card. At the corner you can see there is an integrated standoff and that definitely lines up with the bottom left mount hole around the 5870's chip.
Going up from there, you can pretty much assume that the block is going to have line up with most of the mounting holes in the PCB to ensure it attaches correctly. So that first 'scoop' on the upper left looks to be for avoiding that square rectifier under the second Crossfire connector at the top edge of the board, not to mention to clear the Crossfire connector itself.
In any case, it looks to me like it will cover the component and area you are asking about.
I know this might sound incredibly stupid or genius. Couldn't you just use a Dremel and cut out the area on the stock heatsink that is over the GPU and put a MCW60 on it?
Of course it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by btarunr
Both, if they will be on the card.
You could, people have done it. The trick is to have just enough room to fit your GPU block and not short change any memory chips that are around it of heatsink base.Quote:
Originally Posted by AllAgainstPaul
Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
That's for sure.
I've stopped making my sinks (maybe or maybe not permanently) for that very reason.
You and Eddy and everyone else who still offer full cover cooling solutions have brass balls for doing so IMO, and the worst part of it is that it's something the market really NEEDS. I commend you all.
It's a nightmare... 2-3 different reference revisions, and at least twice as many AIB partner revisions. Insanity.
I wish it was still like when I did my first 8800GT sinks, where you could get a good solid 6 months market viability from a single design.
These GPU manu's sure as hell aren't making life easy for the aftermarket business.
Wouldn't the "unisink" idea make even more sense then in such a changing market? Cheaper and less risky for the manufacturer and cheaper and modifiable to the end user.
And if unisink is copyrighted then what shall we call that part?
Does anyone know if an acetal topped Maze4 will work with a 5850? I know it fitted on the 4870, I don't want to jump for a 5850 and then have to buy a new block too.
+1 on that. I can see a FC block making more sense for the voltmodders out there seeing Eddy is getting the VRMs under water now too. I also see where they can be nice on show rigs, as they can look a little nicer than unisinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bojamijams
For most people though, the unisinks are better. They don't have to be made out of copper, so they are cheaper and shouldn't need a huge retooling in the factory to update to the ever changing reference designs. :)
Dtek heatsinks are called unisinks . . .
For me, my gt200 is a heatsink :shrug:
Soo, i call everything heatsink and not unisink that is a brand from dtek
Great job, Eddy :up:
Good luck when you RMA a card with a hole in the middle. XFX won't do you any good even with their double lifetime warranty.Quote:
Originally Posted by AllAgainstPaul
Would love to see the VRM temps get under control....my Koolance FC blocks do not cool the VRMs very well at all. Stock volts they are around 100*C at load -- when voltmodded they would hit 130-140*C!! I believe these blocks don't use water on the VRMs directly, it's almost like a heat-pipe type setup. I'll either go with sinks in the future on my VRMs or with a FC block that actually does use water on the VRM part of the block.Quote:
Originally Posted by millertime359
AWESOME:up: :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
1 confirmed buyer here. I've a Sapphire 5870 waiting for your EK-FC 5870 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Will this block use hard mounts for memory or thermal pads?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Hi!Quote:
Originally Posted by _G_
0,5mm Thermal pads.
My two 5870s are on their way, so I'll be in line to pick up two of your blocks as well, Eddy. Can't wait!
and pwm thermal pads as well I guess? :up:
Like promised. Its Tuesday and pictures of the block are here:
http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/uploads...FC5870-600.jpg
http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/uploads...ail-600(1).jpg
The nickel plated version gonna look SICK :D
Oh yummy!! I love your guy's blocks! they are always sick!! lets see what it looks like mounted on a card now! And Yes Nickel Plated will be sick!!
Wow, they look even better than before lol Can't wait to get two of these slapped on my 5870s. Great job, congrats Eddy
Really nice job. Any information about the 5850 block? I know that there are only a few 5850 cards at the moment, but is there a chance to get the block for the 5850 in mid of october?
Will there be a delrin top as well? Or acryllic only? Or is that polycarbonate?
Already in development. Will look very simmilar to 5870 block.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcp
There will be all standard 4 versions and separate white acetal top.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bojamijams
Just to inform readers here, there are almost all tops and complete mounting mechanisms available in the webshop.
Great job eddy! :up: Kind of interested to see the white tops. Been a few white builds as of late and would make a really neat addition.
Nice , good job man . +1
Will definitely buy 2 or maybe 3 of those . :D
+1
:clap:
I will definitely be purchasing 2 of those when I get my cards.
still have a mcw50, its even antique nowadays ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
but if it fits the 5850, hey ;)
Received a picture of our block today, expect them available Oct 8-12 depending on the air carrier. They'll run our usual $99.99. We will also have a block to fit the HD 5850 around Oct. 19th for the same price.
The fact the acrylic/stainless steel top covers the whole block would indicate that water flows over the vregs directly. :)
http://www.koolance.com/files/jpg/ko..._vid-ar587.jpg
Nice work Dean. :up: Glad to see everyone is getting their blocks out fast. :yepp:
Wait.. does water come into contact with stainless steel?
I think it is like there other blocks. That is a beauty plate. There is a piece of plexi under it that seals the block.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bojamijams
Exactly, it also reinforces the acrylic to prevent warping or cracking.Quote:
Originally Posted by millertime359
Ah cool I dig it then... whose going to be getting the 5850 first? I got a card on the way and I don't want to be on air for too long (it feels so snobby to write that and yet, I don't care)
Swiftech will be supporting the 5850 and 5870 with both hybrid and full cover solutions.
The MCW60 is already fully compatible with both cards.
Individual heatsink solutions will be offered respectively for 5850 and 5870.
MSRP $29.95 - ETA End of october.
Rendering:
http://www.swiftnets.com/assets/imag...20ASSEMBLY.jpg
A full-cover Komodo class water-block will also be offered:
ETA End of october.
http://www.swiftnets.com/assets/imag...ODO%205800.jpg
Nice heatsink gabe!!!!
Lucky for us that you are on the heatsinks field!
Im sure that i will buy some of those!!
i already have the g200 heatsink and its really great!
Gpu only + heatsink is the best way to go for me, not so nice as full cover blocks, but more cheap and reusable!
Mcw60-r is a really great gpu block!
I would love a SE edition to match my GTZ
Prepare for the lawsuit lol. I prefer the old one myself the "K" looked regal. Full blocks do it for me once you go full you can't go back:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadasius
So exciting!! everyone getting stuck in for a peice of the 58xx pie! :D
We will see, acturally waiting to see how the waterblocks are rather than the card itself.
Thanks Gabe I will be looking for your products late October...:up:
Some very nice looking blocks here. Can't wait to see them in some system builds.
yay for swifty heatsink =D
Any chance we could get some internal shots of the Koolance and Swiftech full cover blocks?
Gabe - I tried my MCW60 on my 5870 last week, and found it made v.poor contact with the GPU. I fiddled around with it a bit, but it would only contact one small part of the GPU. Not sure if the GPU is a mm lower vs. the shim or something, or do we need a new mounting bracket for this card? BTW... glad you are doing a full heatsink solution for this card, hopefully it doesnt take too long to land over here in the UK!