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03-03-2009, 11:08 AM
Drwho?

New Nehalem MAC!

http://www.apple.com/macpro/ :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Ladies and Gentlemen, at your SETI and Folding@home,BOINC!!!

:yepp:
Francois
03-03-2009, 11:13 AM
Hornet331

i never would buy a mac.... for the same money i can get 16 nehalem cores with 32 threads.... :p:
03-03-2009, 11:15 AM
Shintai

Damn, Crapple to launch Nehalem Xeons first.
03-03-2009, 11:15 AM
Helmore

Why would you buy a performance oriented complete desktop computer anyway? I prefer to assemble those myself.
03-03-2009, 11:18 AM
Mats

The most important thing is that it supports ATI HD 4870, that will make many Hackintosh owners happy.
03-03-2009, 11:31 AM
sacha35

Looks good DR Who. What will be the speed of these Xeons, also will there be any overclockability on these setups, if so will the processor be locked or unlocked.
03-03-2009, 11:33 AM
Hornet331

Quote:

Originally Posted by sacha35

overclockability on these setups

apple... should be enough to give you the answer. :p: ;)
03-03-2009, 11:33 AM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by sacha35

Looks good DR Who. What will be the speed of these Xeons, also will there be any overclockability on these setups, if so will the processor be locked or unlocked.

3.2Ghz and down. One listed here is a 2.93Ghz tho in the benches. All locked ofcourse. Its workstation/server chips.

Apple only sells 2.26, 2.66 and 2.93Ghz atm.
03-03-2009, 11:37 AM
CmB

This will be nice for the DCC and graphics folks, though PC has pretty much closed the gap many pro content/printing shops still prefer Apple. Won't be catching me on Apple anytime soon.

--Chris
03-03-2009, 11:39 AM
Movieman

What bothers me is that Apple is selling and I can't buy a damned board.
I will give apple a smooch for looks though.
Very nice looking cases.
03-03-2009, 11:41 AM
CmB

Sure you can buy a board, Dave you just want SuperduperMicro. (term of endearment)
03-03-2009, 11:41 AM
perkam

STOP SAYING NEHALEM.

This.........IS.........GAINSTOWN !!

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/ima...300_sparta.jpg

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Perkam
03-03-2009, 11:42 AM
Hornet331

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

STOP SAYING NEHALEM.

This...IS...GAINSTOWN !!

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/ima...300_sparta.jpg

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Perkam

gainstown is part of the nehalem familie. ;)
03-03-2009, 11:48 AM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hornet331

gainstown is part of the nehalem familie. ;)

^^^ QFT..
But you can call it anything you want and I'll call it "The Beast":up:
03-03-2009, 11:49 AM
jasonelmore

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

STOP SAYING NEHALEM.

This.........IS.........GAINSTOWN !!

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/ima...300_sparta.jpg

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Perkam

haha nehalem is a nehalem. the difference is if it's a bloomfield or a gainstown
03-03-2009, 11:55 AM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Movieman

^^^ QFT..
But you can call it anything you want and I'll call it "The Beast":up:

I heard that "The Beast" was already taken by this one. Maybe we have to call it The Beast 2 or iBeast. :rofl::ROTF::rofl:

http://shintai.ambition.cz/pics/movieman2.jpg

Im so much in trouble now...
03-03-2009, 11:57 AM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountain_king

Sure you can buy a board, Dave you just want SuperduperMicro. (term of endearment)

I've been into the dualies for the last six years and to be honest, there is nothing that even comes close to the quality of a Supermicro board.
In my spare room I have a 1997 SM S2DGU dual P3 xeon that still runs as good as the day it was made.
I also have a SM cube with a quad P3 xeon on the S2QR6 from back in 2000-2001..
Identical to this:
http://www.supermicro.com/products/s...0/SYS-8050.cfm
They just build things the way they should..Quality and it shows every day you use them.
03-03-2009, 11:58 AM
alfaunits

300$ for 1TB HDD? No thanks, I thought Crapple was expensive before, this is worse than ridicolous!
When will these Xeon Nehalems be available, anyway? (I mean elsewhere than Apple)
03-03-2009, 11:59 AM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

I heard that "The Beast" was already taken by this one. Maybe we have to call it The Beast 2 or iBeast. :rofl::ROTF::rofl:

http://shintai.ambition.cz/pics/movieman2.jpg

Im so much in trouble now...

Oh you most certainly are!:rofl:
I hope you booked passage on the space station?:p:

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfaunits

300$ for 1TB HDD? No thanks, I thought Crapple was expensive before, this is worse than ridicolous!
When will these Xeon Nehalems be available, anyway? (I mean elsewhere than Apple)

officially it's march 30 release from what I hear..
03-03-2009, 12:02 PM
[XC] Hicks121

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

I heard that "The Beast" was already taken by this one. Maybe we have to call it The Beast 2 or iBeast. :rofl::ROTF::rofl:

http://shintai.ambition.cz/pics/movieman2.jpg

Im so much in trouble now...

LMAO!! :up::up:
03-03-2009, 12:02 PM
lowfat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hornet331

i never would buy a mac.... for the same money i can get 16 nehalem cores with 32 threads.... :p:

Uh huh. I'd sure like to see you do this.

The interior of this thing is insane. Previous gen MP's were nice, but the slide in memory/CPU tray is slick.

2.26GHz Gainestown's for a base config is weak though.
03-03-2009, 12:04 PM
lowfat

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfaunits

300$ for 1TB HDD? No thanks, I thought Crapple was expensive before, this is worse than ridicolous!
When will these Xeon Nehalems be available, anyway? (I mean elsewhere than Apple)

Never buy HDD/Memory upgrades from Apple. I thought everyone knew this. :p:
03-03-2009, 12:06 PM
CmB

Quote:

Originally Posted by Movieman

Oh you most certainly are!:rofl:
I hope you booked passage on the space station?:p:

officially it's march 30 release from what I hear..

I've had these a little while in the warehouse sadly I can't afford to grab two myself *sulks in th corner* but I'm happy for those who can. Can you say monster Crunch? PPD should be unreal.:up:

--Chris
03-03-2009, 12:06 PM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by [XC] Hicks121

LMAO!! :up::up:

You can be easily replaced so tread carefully or when you go for that 'snip' I'll have the dr. use hedge clippers!:D

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowfat

Uh huh. I'd sure like to see you do this.

The interior of this thing is insane. Previous gen MP's were nice, but the slide in memory/CPU tray is slick.

2.26GHz Gainestown's for a base config is weak though.

I think that is a typo, at least I hope it is..
03-03-2009, 12:19 PM
lowfat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Movieman

I think that is a typo, at least I hope it is..

Don't believe so.

Base is 2.26GHz, middleground is 2.66GHz. The 2.66GHz 2 x quads is a $1200 upgrade. I don't know what Intel's pricing is for Gainestown, but it seems way too high and way underclocked.
03-03-2009, 12:26 PM
Shintai

Xeon w5580 (3.2 GHz) - > $1600;
Xeon x5570 (2.93 GHz) - > $1386;
Xeon x5560 (2.8 GHz) - > $1172;
Xeon x5550 (2.66 GHz) - > $958;
Xeon 5540 (2.53 GHz) - > $744;
Xeon e5530 (2.4 GHz) - > $530;
Xeon e5520 (2.26 GHz) - > $373;
03-03-2009, 12:29 PM
Donnie27

@Dr Who.

That's one nice looking rig.

Nice pic!
03-03-2009, 12:29 PM
NBF

Maybe the 2.26GHz Gainestown have lower TDP. They are strong enough for most uses even when downclocked/undervolted.

I dont get along with Apples, but they look good for sure!
03-03-2009, 12:30 PM
perkam

Uh Oh. Looks like an apple fanboy is going to get a DP Nehalem rig before Dave. :eek:

The prices, surprisingly, aren't that bad at all. ~$5k for the 2x2.66Ghz + 12GB option = Not bad at all.

Perkam
03-03-2009, 12:36 PM
Rammsteiner

Anyway, back on-topic, why didnt they let Dell or so have such a release. Not that Im a Dell fan or whatever, just wondering why they let Crapple have it:confused:
03-03-2009, 12:37 PM
lowfat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

Xeon w5580 (3.2 GHz) - > $1600;
Xeon x5570 (2.93 GHz) - > $1386;
Xeon x5560 (2.8 GHz) - > $1172;
Xeon x5550 (2.66 GHz) - > $958;
Xeon 5540 (2.53 GHz) - > $744;
Xeon e5530 (2.4 GHz) - > $530;
Xeon e5520 (2.26 GHz) - > $373;

Well the $1200 upgrade from the 2.26GHz to the 2.66Ghz makes sense

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

The prices, surprisingly, aren't that bad at all. ~$5k for the 2x2.66Ghz + 12GB option = Not bad at all.

Perkam

I think otherwise. Compared to the previous gen Harpertown MP's, the prices seem too high. The base 2.66GHz 8-core Harpertown MP was ~$2800 before. The base 2.26GHz 8-core is $3200 now. i7 is nice, but a 400MHz decrease for more money isn't worth it IMO.
03-03-2009, 12:46 PM
FischOderAal

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowfat

I think otherwise. Compared to the previous gen Harpertown MP's, the prices seem too high. The base 2.66GHz 8-core Harpertown MP was ~$2800 before. The base 2.26GHz 8-core is $3200 now. i7 is nice, but a 400MHz decrease for more money isn't worth it IMO.

Although the new one should be faster nevertheless (or am I mistaken?), I agree with you. The new Mac Pro is too expensive imho. The DDR3 might be another reason for the quite high price.

BUT, what I find even worse, is the 100 Euro (!) increase in the price for the Mac Mini in germany... I don't see the point why they went DDR3, just to say: "look how energy efficient our Mini is"... The "new" white MacBook has DDR2 as well.

Apple's products already were priced above average and now they put just a bit more on the top. Seeing the economy as it is I wouldn't have guessed that. But well... Guess they calculated it all well before they did it.
03-03-2009, 12:51 PM
lowfat

Quote:

Originally Posted by FischOderAal

Although the new one should be faster nevertheless, I agree with you. The new Mac Pro is too expensive imho. The DDR3 might be another reason for the quite high price.

I am pretty sure the FB-DIMM's the MP used before are more expensive than ECC DDR3.
03-03-2009, 12:59 PM
Shintai

Its Apple. Since when did their prices make any sense. Its max price for...some white product :p:
03-03-2009, 01:05 PM
lowfat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

Its Apple. Since when did their prices make any sense. Its max price for...some white product :p:

90% of their products aren't white BTW. :rolleyes:

Their Harpertown 8-core MP's were very reasonably priced. Pretty sure they were the cheapest OEM. That is as long as you didn't buy the memory or hard drives from Apple.
03-03-2009, 01:06 PM
XS Janus

CPU prices are ridiculous! $900 for 2.66GHz thats like 3x the normal one!!!!

---Hmm 8 ram slots?
03-03-2009, 01:12 PM
FischOderAal

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowfat

90% of their products aren't white BTW. :rolleyes:

Their Harpertown 8-core MP's were very reasonably priced. Pretty sure they were the cheapest OEM. That is as long as you didn't buy the memory or hard drives from Apple.

Not quite, but they weren't very expensive either ;)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...6&d=1235845677

Quote:

Originally Posted by FischOderAal

If you take the T5400 of Dell for instance, pack into it two 2,83 GHz Quadcores, 2 GB of RAM, a 320 GB HDD and you're at: 2800 USD (see attachment), so at the cost of a Mac Pro via apple.com (you can get it cheaper if you're student of course). But, you get a display for free (special offer), a NVS 290 instead of a 2600XT and 3 years of warranty. Is that worth 1000 USD?
03-03-2009, 01:14 PM
Mats

Quote:

Originally Posted by FischOderAal

BUT, what I find even worse, is the 100 Euro (!) increase in the price for the Mac Mini in germany... I don't see the point why they went DDR3, just to say: "look how energy efficient our Mini is"... The "new" white MacBook has DDR2 as well.

Probably because of the new Nvidia 9400 chipset, just look at the prices for retail boards:
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/?cat=...7_GeForce+9400
Last version used Intel GMA 950 graphics, which is four years old.

I'm surpised that these new MacPro's only have 4 RAM slots per CPU? And two F(T)W 800 but no eSATA?
03-03-2009, 01:23 PM
Russian

Awful GPu offering. Just awful. Nvidia models are a downgrade, even.
03-03-2009, 01:33 PM
Mats

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russian

Awful GPu offering. Just awful. Nvidia models are a downgrade, even.

Every workstation doesn't need premium video cards, depending of what it is used for.
Besides, the 4870 option is the best card they've offered in a long time.

Is it possible to use retail video cards in this one? Or does it have some kind of whitelist?
03-03-2009, 01:38 PM
metachronos

The only thing this thing is lacking is an option for more than one 4870.
03-03-2009, 01:51 PM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rammsteiner

Anyway, back on-topic, why didnt they let Dell or so have such a release. Not that Im a Dell fan or whatever, just wondering why they let Crapple have it:confused:

Apple lives by such trendy news. HP, Dell, Lenovo etc doesnt.

And if it was Dell you would just ask why not one of the others :p:

So its perhaps good its OSX <-> Windows/Linux divided instead.
03-03-2009, 01:54 PM
Rammsteiner

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

And if it was Dell you would just ask why not one of the others :p:

:rofl: Yeah, you've a point there:p:

Oh well, for anyone interested in Gainestown, it's getting closer although Apple has the premium. I remember back when Asus released dual socket mobo's for skt 940, I was simple drooling to have one although for just gaming it doesnt make a lot of sense:p:
03-03-2009, 01:57 PM
Donnie27

Quote:

Originally Posted by FischOderAal

You're right, sorry :up:

His comments were edited. Anyway, this MAC will sell well simply because MAC folks are used to paying higher a prices for what they see as better and or Superior product.

To the rest of the folks on this thread I formally apologize for what I posted and for the weak shot at comedy.

Thank you!
03-03-2009, 02:03 PM
Movieman

Ok, enough talk, where's the boards?:rofl:
6x1 gig DDR3-1333 ECC
2-TRUE's w/1366 bases
2-X5570's
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/3498/img0199.jpg
03-03-2009, 02:05 PM
BulldogPO

I just WANT one of those Dual Gainestown MAC´s :D
Not typical Mac price, looks kind of affordable (or am I losing my mind finally?).
03-03-2009, 02:34 PM
LowRun

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

Apple lives by such trendy news. HP, Dell, Lenovo etc doesnt.

And if it was Dell you would just ask why not one of the others :p:

So its perhaps good its OSX <-> Windows/Linux divided instead.

I would think that Apple is willing to pay what it cost to get it first, if you add the positive feeling that Apple products induce in many people's mind, it's a kind of two birds with one stone thing for Intel, so it probably makes sense on every level.
03-03-2009, 02:49 PM
NeedMoMegaHurtZ

1 Attachment(s)

Supermicro X8DAH

Source
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...s-250-pictured
03-03-2009, 02:50 PM
ILikeCosmosS

just a question are the gainstown proccessors 4 cores or 8 cores?
03-03-2009, 03:10 PM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILikeCosmosS

just a question are the gainstown proccessors 4 cores or 8 cores?

4 per cpu so a dual board would have 8 and with HT 16 threads
03-03-2009, 03:10 PM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILikeCosmosS

just a question are the gainstown proccessors 4 cores or 8 cores?

They are like i7. 4 cores, 8 threads. Dualsocket is then 8 cores, 16 threads total.
03-03-2009, 03:18 PM
gOJDO

Finally the Apple fanboys can have something that we own for months. I wonder what Apple are going to do now with their $25K dual Harpertown systems...
03-03-2009, 03:26 PM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeedMoMegaHurtZ

Supermicro X8DAH

nah, here's the board you want:

http://www.abload.de/img/c100vv.jpg
03-03-2009, 03:32 PM
Fitseries3

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

STOP SAYING NEHALEM.

This.........IS.........GAINSTOWN !!

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/ima...300_sparta.jpg

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Perkam

maybe im a noob but i thought gainstown was the given name for the 8core/16thread i7s?

none of these are 8 core from what i read.

they just look like bloomfields labled as xeons.
03-03-2009, 03:41 PM
Helmore

Beckton is the 8 core part. Beckton will use a different socket though, (socket LGA1567) and is meant for systems with 4 or 8 CPUs per board. It will also have 24 MB of L3 cache and a quad memory channel controller, which will probably make it a very very processor.
03-03-2009, 03:49 PM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitseries3

maybe im a noob but i thought gainstown was the given name for the 8core/16thread i7s?

none of these are 8 core from what i read.

they just look like bloomfields labled as xeons.

Ok, here's the deal:
Overall family name is Nehalem
Then the single socket cpu with one QPI is called Bloomfield
Dual socket version with 2-QPI is called Gainestown..
8 cores per cpu is down the road and has nothing to do with what we're discussing here..
Now, does that make more sense?:D
03-03-2009, 03:50 PM
XS Janus

X8DAH has 18 RAM slots!!!!!
That means 72GB of ram if you are supre rich. And that actually would make afor a usable RamDisk :D:D:D

@Movieman: why is this board (x8DAi) better?
What are the specs on both? anyone has their spec sheets?
03-03-2009, 03:57 PM
Serra

I knew that Apple would have product release before we even see availability, but I still hate them (or more particularly, Intel) for it.
03-03-2009, 04:09 PM
570091D

this is what agravates me:
$300 1tb hard drive
$150 nvidia gt120 (add $200 for a 4870)
$900 24" display
$500 to upgrade to 2.8ghz (single cpu)

apple would sell more computers and be more of a threat to mightysoft if they would lower thier prices!

but then if they were REALLY serious about competing, we would be able to buy mac OSX for our pc's...
03-03-2009, 04:12 PM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by XS Janus

X8DAH has 18 RAM slots!!!!!
That means 72GB of ram if you are supre rich. And that actually would make afor a usable RamDisk :D:D:D

@Movieman: why is this board (x8DAi) better?
What are the specs on both? anyone has their spec sheets?

look close, the X8DAi has 2-PCI-e X16's ver2..
The other has PCI-e X8's..
I'm going to do a review to be posted on March 30 to keep the powers that be happy. Trying to get a couple top vid cards to bang out some pretty numbers..
Don't own any SSD's but I have some 15.4K Seagate SAS drives and a low end promise SAS card..
I'll make some ripples in the water..:up:
03-03-2009, 06:17 PM
Drwho?

Let's clarify the naming ...

So, Nehalem is the name of the Micro Architecture ... so, Nehalem has several different processors, Bloomfield, Lynnfield, and few others ... This is as well Nehalem processor familly... In the mean time, the westmere processors familly is using Nehalem Micro Architecture ... the same way Penryn was using Merom Micro-architecture, plus some extension ... see the logic behind it?

You are micro architecture generations, and processor famillies ... some include others.

Please don't shoot, we have internal reason to work this way, it may look a little disturbing some time for you guys, but it is very easy for the insiders to find what is what. Few years ago, we would not speak about Code name much outside, the same way a Nissan GTR is a Nissan GTR 2009, not a R35 (Only for hardcore enthusiast)
03-03-2009, 06:38 PM
CmB

Oh, the naming scheme isn't bad at all. Quite easy actually. Just gotta take some time to read and maybe ask a question here and there.

--Chris
03-03-2009, 06:45 PM
ILikeCosmosS

why are we going to need 8 cores? dont you think 4 cores is enough? i would rather build a gainstown rather then get the mac

8cores is like server much but for consumers dont you think thats overkill and the noobs at computers(meaning everyone who doesnt know how computers work, and think they know everything i could say What is a PCB and they would know!) will only need dual cores.
03-03-2009, 06:47 PM
CmB

ILikeCosmosS, please think about the market for this tower. It isn't home user i'll tell you that, lol. No four cores isn't enough. i can always run more instances of BOINC and other DC programs.
03-03-2009, 06:49 PM
lowfat

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILikeCosmosS

why are we going to need 8 cores? dont you think 4 cores is enough? i would rather build a gainstown rather then get the mac

8cores is like server much but for consumers dont you think thats overkill and the noobs at computers(meaning everyone who doesnt know how computers work, and think they know everything i could say What is a PCB and they would know!) will only need dual cores.

It isn't for consumers. Mac Pro as in Professional.
03-03-2009, 07:34 PM
clo007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Movieman

Ok, enough talk, where's the boards?:rofl:
6x1 gig DDR3-1333 ECC
2-TRUE's w/1366 bases
2-X5570's
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/3498/img0199.jpg

lol....your waiting!!!
03-03-2009, 07:36 PM
clo007

Quote:

Originally Posted by 570091D

this is what agravates me:
$300 1tb hard drive
$150 nvidia gt120 (add $200 for a 4870)
$900 24" display
$500 to upgrade to 2.8ghz (single cpu)

apple would sell more computers and be more of a threat to mightysoft if they would lower thier prices!

but then if they were REALLY serious about competing, we would be able to buy mac OSX for our pc's...

Microsoft does not sell computers...they sell software!
03-03-2009, 07:40 PM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by clo007

lol....your waiting!!!

No, not waiting, I have everthing here except the motherboard and doing my damnest short of putting on knee pads and pursing my lips to get that.:D
03-03-2009, 07:59 PM
breathemetal

I want one so badly.
I love the cases.
03-03-2009, 08:02 PM
ZOMGVTEK

http://www.apple.com/macpro/specs.html

Turbo Boost dynamic performance (up to 3.33GHz on 8-core 2.93GHz system)

3.33 x 8 physical cores... MMMmmmmmmmmmnnnnnn
03-03-2009, 08:03 PM
Macadamia

Why is Apple getting it ahead of us?

I bet I can build a proper 2x Gainestown system below $2000, take that Jobs!

(Speaking of which... drooooool. Movieman send me some stix plz! :p: ECC DDR3 still nowhere to be found here.)
03-03-2009, 08:09 PM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macadamia

Why is Apple getting it ahead of us?

I bet I can build a proper 2x Gainestown system below $2000, take that Jobs!

(Speaking of which... drooooool. Movieman send me some stix plz! :p: ECC DDR3 still nowhere to be found here.)

I don't thing so..Not with even close to top cpu's..
X5570's =$3200.00+/pair
Motherboard=$500.00+/-
memory=6x1 gig Kingston $136.00 in US
Then add drives, case, a GOOD 750w PSU and your at close to $4500.00
03-03-2009, 08:09 PM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macadamia

Why is Apple getting it ahead of us?

I bet I can build a proper 2x Gainestown system below $2000, take that Jobs!

(Speaking of which... drooooool. Movieman send me some stix plz! :p: ECC DDR3 still nowhere to be found here.)

For $2,000, you can, but it wouldn't be a very good one.

The best DP Nehalem rigs start at $3-4,000 (12GB ram + 2.66Ghz CPUs).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Movieman

I don't thing so..Not with even close to top cpu's..
X5570's =$3200.00+/pair
Motherboard=$500.00+/-
memory=6x1 gig Kingston $136.00 in US
Then add drives, case, a GOOD 750w PSU and your at close to $4500.00

There's no real need to go X5570. The X5550s @ 2.66Ghz have all the features of the top-tier Nehalem Xeon models AND that takes off $1,200 off the $4,500 which makes a big difference.

Perkam
03-03-2009, 08:19 PM
ZOMGVTEK

People who think the Mac Pro is overpriced are crazy. Its expensive, yes... But try to build it yourself for any real significant amount cheaper....

It can be done, but its not like youre saving thousands. Just dont buy extra ram from apple... Good god do they charge you for that ram!
03-03-2009, 08:31 PM
[XC] Synthetickiller

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZOMGVTEK

People who think the Mac Pro is overpriced are crazy. Its expensive, yes... But try to build it yourself for any real significant amount cheaper....

It can be done, but its not like youre saving thousands. Just dont buy extra ram from apple... Good god do they charge you for that ram!

If you want any extras (more ram, etc), yeah, you'll save 1000s easily. :rolleyes:
03-03-2009, 08:31 PM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZOMGVTEK

People who think the Mac Pro is overpriced are crazy. Its expensive, yes... But try to build it yourself for any real significant amount cheaper....

It can be done, but its not like youre saving thousands. Just dont buy extra ram from apple... Good god do they charge you for that ram!

You are saving at least a thousand actually. Check the post above yours. I updated it.

EDIT: I'll post it here:

High End Dual Nehalem Rig: (The Kind that Makes you Feel Sorry for the Guy that Paid $16k Barcelona Rig)

Good Board = $500
X5550's = $2,000/pair
12GB Memory (6x2GB ECC DDR3 1333) = $400
750W PSU = $150
2x1TB SATA Drives = $200
1x147GB 15K SCSI = $180
2xCPU Heatsinks = $120
ATI 4870 1GB = $180

Total: $3,730 + Shipping = $3,900

And that's a nice one too.

Perkam
03-03-2009, 08:45 PM
Movieman

I do like that case though..
What value should we put on it?
$350.00? More?

I just went to the apple page and configured a machine almost identicle to what I'll be building;
Pair of 2930mhz gainestowns
single drive
6x1 gig memory
ATI 4870( I'll use a nVidia card that I have)
Their price: $6,099.00

Mine:$2551.00
03-03-2009, 08:51 PM
ZOMGVTEK

Im saying in the base 8 core configuration...

Obviously when you start getting the multi thousand processor upgrade, thats just insane.

Although I dont like how they raised the price significantly from the previous 8 core standard model...
03-03-2009, 08:51 PM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by Movieman

I do like that case though..
What value should we put on it?
$350.00? More?

It's definitely under $300.

You can start getting Aluminum Lian Li 11-Bay Full Towers @ $260:
http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggIma...112-145-09.jpg

Perkam
03-03-2009, 08:57 PM
ZOMGVTEK

That case is 1/8" thick Aluminum, and very, very well designed. By far the best case I ever tore apart.
It would never work out well in a custom build... But people do it anyways.

And they sell for $300-400.

Most of the people in this community would never consider buying a prebuilt computer, let alone a Apple computer. And most would consider those who do to be some of the least intelligent people alive. And there isnt much room to convince them...
03-03-2009, 08:58 PM
lowfat

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZOMGVTEK

Im saying in the base 8 core configuration...

Obviously when you start getting the multi thousand processor upgrade, thats just insane.

Although I dont like how they raised the price significantly from the previous 8 core standard model...

Ya that bothers me a lot. The base CPU''s they are using are worth $100 less each than the E5420's they used in the previous gen. Yet they are charging $300-$400 more for the base config. I was planning on buying an 8-core Gainestown MP but I most definitely will not now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

It's definitely under $300.

You can start getting Aluminum Lian Li 11-Bay Full Towers @ $260:

Perkam

No way would I take that Lian Li (or any Lian Li besides the PC-X2000) over a Mac Pro case. I doubt you will ever find a easier case to work on.
03-03-2009, 09:03 PM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowfat

Ya that bothers me a lot. The base CPU''s they are using are worth $100 less each than the E5420's they used in the previous gen. Yet they are charging $300-$400 more for the base config. I was planning on buying an 8-core Gainestown MP but I most definitely will not now.

No way would I take that Lian Li (or any Lian Li besides the PC-X2000) over a Mac Pro case. I doubt you will ever find a easier case to work on.

MM asked the price of the case and if it was being sold without the plethora of accessories it wouldn't cost above $300. As the case is now with all the accessories you're easily looking at $500+ I concur.

Perkam
03-03-2009, 10:06 PM
Tonucci

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

You are saving at least a thousand actually. Check the post above yours. I updated it.

EDIT: I'll post it here:

High End Dual Nehalem Rig: (The Kind that Makes you Feel Sorry for the Guy that Paid $16k Barcelona Rig)

Good Board = $500
X5550's = $2,000/pair
12GB Memory (6x2GB ECC DDR3 1333) = $400
750W PSU = $150
2x1TB SATA Drives = $200
1x147GB 15K SCSI = $180
2xCPU Heatsinks = $120
ATI 4870 1GB = $180

Total: $3,730 + Shipping = $3,900

And that's a nice one too.

Perkam

Even tho you forgot their (imo) wondeful case and the MAC-OS (some ppl love it and NEED it) prices, PC OS and minor things like a burner and fans, I'd still go the DIY route :up:

The money saved could yield me an great monitor, better VGA(s), better audio HW, SSD's, RAID controller, etc etc...

And maybe even a mobo with OC'ing capabilities, be it by bios or software :D

And lets not forget the upgradability factor aswell.
03-03-2009, 10:11 PM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tonucci

Even tho you forgot their (imo) wondeful case and the MAC-OS prices, minor things like a burner and fans, I'd still go the DIY route :up:

The money saved could yield me an great monitor, better VGA(s), better audio HW, SSD's, RAID controller, etc etc...

And maybe even a mobo with OC'ing capabilities, be it by bios or software :D

And lets not forget the upgradability factor aswell.

It wouldn't feel right having a server rig with an SSD...SCSI FTW :p: :D

But yea, in that rig of mine you can add a nice full tower cae for $200 and round it up to $4,000.

Perkam
03-03-2009, 10:39 PM
Drwho?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZOMGVTEK

People who think the Mac Pro is overpriced are crazy. Its expensive, yes... But try to build it yourself for any real significant amount cheaper....

It can be done, but its not like youre saving thousands. Just dont buy extra ram from apple... Good god do they charge you for that ram!

I agree, This new baby price is remarkable ... :yepp:
You get a really sweet chasis, with well build disk racks, and you can Dual boot or Virtualize with 16 threads ... 8 for Windows ... 8 for MAC OSX .. :ROTF:
03-04-2009, 01:42 AM
soundood

here you go, bargain :up:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k.../Image1-11.jpg
03-04-2009, 03:00 AM
Macadamia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Movieman

I don't thing so..Not with even close to top cpu's..
X5570's =$3200.00+/pair
Motherboard=$500.00+/-
memory=6x1 gig Kingston $136.00 in US
Then add drives, case, a GOOD 750w PSU and your at close to $4500.00

BTW Dave the Mac Pro is a rather crappy Gainestown rig by your definition, so I can beat that right? :p:

Let's see...

2X Intel E5506 2.13Ghz (2X 266USD = 532USD)
2.13Ghz is only 6% slower, but a HELL lot cheaper. Plus DDR3-800 is compensated with tri-channel, which is a must by then.

Intel/Asus workstation motherboard. 500USD +/-, we'll leave it at 500.

6GB of ECC DDR3, 136USD.

"Base" config (what makes it Gainestown) = 1168USD. 8 core yummy. Make CPUs faster and add more RAM for supersize.

WD Veloci 300GB or 2 Caviar Blacks 1TB in RAID. 200USD or 240USD. Supersize with X25-Es in RAID on a discrete card. For something less heavy, get SAS Cheetahs.

Radeon 4870 512MB. 170USD for the Sapphire version. Supersize with a FireGL/Quadro.

Supermicro CSE-743TQ-865B w/ 865W PSU. 330USD.

LG Blu-Ray Burner. 200USD.

2X Noctua NH-U12P. 170USD.

Total? 2238USD-2278USD.

The lowdown:

Mac Pro 4-core 2.66Ghz with 9800GT, 3GB RAM and Western Digital 640GB = 2500USD
Mac Pro 8-core 2.26Ghz, everything else the same = 3300USD

Macadamia's "Nutter" = 2200USD. I needed the Blu-ray burner for :banana::banana::banana::banana:s and giggles! :rofl:
03-04-2009, 05:35 AM
DdotRoq

What is this talk about "Nehalem" this and "Xeon" that?!?

Its all about the Pentiums, baby!

http://www.worthlessgenius.com/wp-co...1/weird_al.jpg
03-04-2009, 06:05 AM
Donnie27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Movieman

look close, the X8DAi has 2-PCI-e X16's ver2..
The other has PCI-e X8's..
I'm going to do a review to be posted on March 30 to keep the powers that be happy. Trying to get a couple top vid cards to bang out some pretty numbers..
Don't own any SSD's but I have some 15.4K Seagate SAS drives and a low end promise SAS card..
I'll make some ripples in the water..:up:

Drools and after 3 mins stops daydreaming. If I could get my hands on this MAC, I would. We have a few at work and they aren't that bad. The price on this on isn't a look different that the Falcon NW or other boutique Venders' products.:wink:
03-04-2009, 06:24 AM
Donnie27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drwho?

I agree, This new baby price is remarkable ... :yepp:
You get a really sweet chasis, with well build disk racks, and you can Dual boot or Virtualize with 16 threads ... 8 for Windows ... 8 for MAC OSX .. :ROTF:

Very good price considering it's Apple.

http://store.apple.com/us/configure/...mco=NDE4NDIyMQ

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/hom...ro?mco=MTE2NjQ

$3,299.00 and besides the misinformation posted here, $5K gets a good high-end workstation.
03-04-2009, 07:33 AM
Vozer

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...on_nehalem.gif
03-04-2009, 07:40 AM
Shintai

^^ That chart is wrong in several areas. Caches are not 4MB but 8MB. No dualcores etc.
03-04-2009, 07:47 AM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

^^ That chart is wrong in several areas. Caches are not 4MB but 8MB. No dualcores etc.

He's grabbed that chart off of the Intel roadmap..
The three"W's" at the bottom are down the line for single socket boards.
Really just the same as the X33xx are now vs the Yorkfields..
03-04-2009, 07:49 AM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Movieman

He's grabbed that chart off of the Intel roadmap..
The three"W's" at the bottom are down the line for single socket boards.

We can start with that 2.26ghz is 8MB cache. Thats a fact :p:
03-04-2009, 07:51 AM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

We can start with that 2.26ghz is 8MB cache. Thats a fact :p:

E5520.. Yes..OOPs, I think so..:)
03-04-2009, 08:00 AM
Donnie27

Something else to compare the MAC's price to!

http://www.ntra-net.com/2009/03/03/p...rful-notebook/

Quote:

Phantom Core i7: the world’s most powerful notebook
This is the first notebook to come to market with the Intel Core i7 platform. Eurocom add the Xeon processor X5580-based Core i7 and reveals prices and features.

If you’re looking for maximum performance in a team and you do not mind the battery life or price, the Phantom, based on the Core i7 is your laptop, because it is the most powerful of the market, especially for the segment of stations working professionals.

At the option of the Core i7 Extreme, joins the mount Xeon X5580 3.2 GHz Intel X58 chipset with the team can integrate up to 24 Gbytes of DDR3 triple channel memory and 2 terabytes of storage capacity and up to four hard drives Supported RAID 0,1 and 5.

The screen has a resolution of 1600 x 1050 pixels and a size of 17 inches. As for the graphics system can mount a GeForce Go GTX 280 or Quadro M FX3700M with 1 Gbyte of memory.

Include webcam, Blu-ray recorder and extensive connectivity options including Wi-Fi 802.11a/b/g/n. The consumption of CPU + GPU is 220 watts, so that the autonomy of the team is not measured in hours but in minutes.

Despite the inclusion of a battery of 12 cells, independent of the official team is set to 60 minutes, which in practice will be even lower. The base price starts at $ 3000, which amounts to $ 5000 to increase the configuration options available.

I think you could call that an Xtreme Notebook System:up:
03-04-2009, 08:05 AM
Vozer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

We can start with that 2.26ghz is 8MB cache. Thats a fact :p:

Yes, my mistake. Corrected. :)

You're really sharp when it comes to Intel, Shintai. :p:

About the dual-core:

Quote:

Originally Posted by DigiTimes
Intel is planning to launch Xeon 5500 (Nehalem-EP) and Xeon 3500 series (Nehalem-WS) server CPUs in the first quarter of 2009, according to sources at server makers.

Intel will launch ten CPUs for the Xeon 5500 series: quad-core W5580 (3.2GHz), X5570 (2.93GHz), X5560 (2.8GHz), X5550 (2.66GHz), E5540 (2.53GHz), E5530 (2.4GHz), E5520 (2.26GHz), E5506 (2.13GHz), E5504 (2GHz) and dual-core E5502 with prices at US$1,600, US$1,386, US$1,172, US$958, US$744, US$530, US$373, US$266, US$224 and US$188 in thousand-unit tray quantities.
03-04-2009, 08:21 AM
Shintai

I think digitimes is wrong ;)

The L5520 would also be 8MB btw. And W5580 server, not workstation. W is for 130W TDP.
03-04-2009, 08:26 AM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

I think digitimes is wrong ;)

The L5520 would also be 8MB btw. And W5580 server, not workstation. W is for 130W TDP.

Just to clarify a point; Some here aren't into the duals and they will miss your meaning.
Workstation = single socket
server= dual socket by the way you were talking
03-04-2009, 08:31 AM
Vozer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

I think digitimes is wrong ;)

The L5520 would also be 8MB btw. And W5580 server, not workstation. W is for 130W TDP.

But what about Tom's Hardware, then? ;) Actually, most of my information is based on them.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...on_nehalem.gif

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