JETWAY AM3 board 940 pins available now

Look what showed up on the egg. An AM3 ddrII board ;)

Look like there is one other possibility that we did not consider........AM3 boards using ddrII....No mention of compatibility with AM2+ but it does utilize socket 940......

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813153129

Here's another

Jetways site itself. Forward and backwards compatible it appears, supports am2/am2+/AM3 but it is indeed DDRII only.

It appears what i was told by AMD at the boston event was true........after all he never said that am2+ would work with ddr3 he just said AM2+ would work fine in AM3......

http://www.jetway.com.tw/jw/motherbo...6&proname=HA04
http://www.jetway.com.tw/jw/motherbo...ame=HA07-Ultra

AM2/AM2+ CPUs cannot put into AM3 socket.
(this was my mistake, it should be "future AM3 CPU may not fit into the AM2+ socket boards", sorry for confusing you guys!)

Wow bad heatsink setup....horribly bad the mosfet coolers seem to be vga memory heatsink like.

Not even sli or crossfire capable at 2.0 x16 each. This board seems like the most depressing am3 start if it is indeed am3. The other one we've seen from ECS seemed better but still not good enough.

isn´t every am2+ board an am3 board when it has the proper agesa support in bios?
lol.. seems like this is an old sb600 board... they just want to sell it as something new because it´s supporting am3 cpus

it's Jetway.
what do you expect?

well its cheaper then an i7 board ^^

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Originally Posted by kenofstephen

AM2/AM2+ CPUs cannot put into AM3 socket.

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Really? Tell jetway that.......I take it you read threads and don't actually read links supporting the info posted...since your so lazy you cant even click on a link ( i wouldn't want you to sprain a finger) I will cut and paste it for you. Please from now on if your going to debunk info I suggest you do your homework and have links to support your claims.

HA07-Ultra
AMD™ 790GX Chipset and AMD™ SB750 Chipset
AM3 CPU ready
Supports AMD AM2+ Phenom™/ AM2 Athlon64 series processors
High-polymer solid electrolysis aluminum capacitors
Integrated ATI Radeon HD 3300 GPU(For Directx 10)
Support AMD OverDrive(AOD) Technology
Supports ATI Hybrid CrossFire Technology
Supports ATI CrossFireX Technology
Supports Dual Channel DDR2 1066/800
Integrated Serial ATA2 3Gb/s with RAID function
Integrated Gigabit LAN and e-SATA
Integrated ALC888 HD Audio CODEC with 8.0 CH
Supports Blu-ray/Full HD DVD playback
CPU Vcore 7-Shift / DVI Port/ Debug Port/HDMI port/VGA port
Ready for Windows® Vista™
Integrated DDR3 128MB side port memory
ATX Form Factor


HA04
AMD 790FX Chipset and AMD SB600 Chipset
AM3 CPU ready
Support Socket AM2+ AMD Phenom
Socket AM2 64-bit dual core AMD Athlon 64 X2 processor
Support HT3.0
1 PCI Express x16@16-lane
2 PCI Express x16@8-lane(For ATI Cross Fire X Technology)
Dual Channel DDR2 1066 Memory DIMMs Supported
Support 6 Serial ATA2 Devices with RAID 0, 1, 10, JOBD
Ready for Windows Vista
PCI Express Gigabit LAN Supported
8-Channel HD Audio CODEC
CPU V-core 31-Shift / Debug Port
ATX Form Factor

harsh toke dood

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Originally Posted by Slovnaft

harsh toke dood

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Just tired of people just verbally debunking info........It goes without saying if you post info you provide proof in the form of a link...............Just the same if you want to debunk if you should do the same.........Or at least take the time to read info in the link provided.

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Originally Posted by chew*

Look what showed up on the egg. An AM3 ddrII board ;)

Look like there is one other possibility that we did not consider........AM3 boards using ddrII....No mention of compatibility with AM2+ but it does utilize socket 940......

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No offense intended, but I thought the whole point of AM3 boards was DDR3 support... I hope this doesn't mean that true AM3/DDR3 boards will actually have 938 pin sockets and won't allow AM2+ chips. :(

The next few months are definetly going to be interesting on the Mobo front....

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Originally Posted by Daveburt714

No offense intended, but I thought the whole point of AM3 boards was DDR3 support... I hope this doesn't mean that true AM3/DDR3 boards will actually have 938 pin sockets and won't allow AM2+ chips. :(

The next few months are definetly going to be interesting on the Mobo front....

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Well it was kind of assumed that it would support ddr3...He never claimed it would work with DDR 3 he just claimed it was forward compatible with AM3 motherboards which was conflicting with current roadmaps.

It may or may not be compatible with ddr3, still don't have that info but this is good news for people who plan on buying am2+, they can still upgrade to one variant of AM3 and possibly newer chipsets ( speculative on newer chipsets of course ) etc they are not stuck completely with the current board offerings for the phenom II.

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Originally Posted by chew*

Really? Tell jetway that.......I take it you read threads and don't actually read links supporting the info posted...since your so lazy you cant even click on a link ( i wouldn't want you to sprain a finger) I will cut and paste it for you. Please from now on if your going to debunk info I suggest you do your homework and have links to support your claims.

HA07-Ultra
AMD™ 790GX Chipset and AMD™ SB750 Chipset
AM3 CPU ready
Supports AMD AM2+ Phenom™/ AM2 Athlon64 series processors
High-polymer solid electrolysis aluminum capacitors
Integrated ATI Radeon HD 3300 GPU(For Directx 10)
Support AMD OverDrive(AOD) Technology
Supports ATI Hybrid CrossFire Technology
Supports ATI CrossFireX Technology
Supports Dual Channel DDR2 1066/800
Integrated Serial ATA2 3Gb/s with RAID function
Integrated Gigabit LAN and e-SATA
Integrated ALC888 HD Audio CODEC with 8.0 CH
Supports Blu-ray/Full HD DVD playback
CPU Vcore 7-Shift / DVI Port/ Debug Port/HDMI port/VGA port
Ready for Windows® Vista™
Integrated DDR3 128MB side port memory
ATX Form Factor


HA04
AMD 790FX Chipset and AMD SB600 Chipset
AM3 CPU ready
Support Socket AM2+ AMD Phenom
Socket AM2 64-bit dual core AMD Athlon 64 X2 processor
Support HT3.0
1 PCI Express x16@16-lane
2 PCI Express x16@8-lane(For ATI Cross Fire X Technology)
Dual Channel DDR2 1066 Memory DIMMs Supported
Support 6 Serial ATA2 Devices with RAID 0, 1, 10, JOBD
Ready for Windows Vista
PCI Express Gigabit LAN Supported
8-Channel HD Audio CODEC
CPU V-core 31-Shift / Debug Port
ATX Form Factor

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These 2 boards already existed...They are both AM2+ boards, but recently "AM3 CPU Ready" has been added to theri specifications, due to new BIOS version that makes the AM3 cpu's ready to run on these boards...

The first one you posted though from newegg.com, seems to be a new product if the product name is correct...It doesn't appear on any Jetway Website though...

It could be a new model...It looks like a mix of HA04 and HA03-Ultra, with the specs of the first...if you look closer you can see HA04-LF, right under the SB :


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/h...w/JHA04-LF.jpg


But getting a new 790FX board with SB600, would not be that smart by Jetway, don't you agree ?

Maybe its' the SB750 version of the HA04 and the SB600 is just a typo...

Who knows...maybe someone can contact newegg for further info...

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Originally Posted by chew*

It may or may not be compatible with ddr3, still don't have that info but this is good news for people who plan on buying am2+, they can still upgrade to one variant of AM3 and possibly newer chipsets ( speculative on newer chipsets of course ) etc they are not stuck completely with the current board offerings for the phenom II.

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People can still get AM3 cpus in their existing AM2+ boards i guess...

I'm not sure I just know i was working on a shopping list and when i clicked on motherboards the AM3 tab option appeared with 1 board. First thing i looked at was closeup of the socket...........

Did a little more investigating and found this in the am2/am2+ selection.

Replaced by JHA04-LF

JetWay HA04-Extreme AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

I was incorrect, removed.

Sorry! corrected below with picture.

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Originally Posted by chew*

Really? Tell jetway that.......I take it you read threads and don't actually read links supporting the info posted...since your so lazy you cant even click on a link ( i wouldn't want you to sprain a finger) I will cut and paste it for you. Please from now on if your going to debunk info I suggest you do your homework and have links to support your claims.

HA07-Ultra
AMD™ 790GX Chipset and AMD™ SB750 Chipset
AM3 CPU ready
Supports AMD AM2+ Phenom™/ AM2 Athlon64 series processors
High-polymer solid electrolysis aluminum capacitors
Integrated ATI Radeon HD 3300 GPU(For Directx 10)
Support AMD OverDrive(AOD) Technology
Supports ATI Hybrid CrossFire Technology
Supports ATI CrossFireX Technology
Supports Dual Channel DDR2 1066/800
Integrated Serial ATA2 3Gb/s with RAID function
Integrated Gigabit LAN and e-SATA
Integrated ALC888 HD Audio CODEC with 8.0 CH
Supports Blu-ray/Full HD DVD playback
CPU Vcore 7-Shift / DVI Port/ Debug Port/HDMI port/VGA port
Ready for Windows® Vista™
Integrated DDR3 128MB side port memory
ATX Form Factor


HA04
AMD 790FX Chipset and AMD SB600 Chipset
AM3 CPU ready
Support Socket AM2+ AMD Phenom
Socket AM2 64-bit dual core AMD Athlon 64 X2 processor
Support HT3.0
1 PCI Express x16@16-lane
2 PCI Express x16@8-lane(For ATI Cross Fire X Technology)
Dual Channel DDR2 1066 Memory DIMMs Supported
Support 6 Serial ATA2 Devices with RAID 0, 1, 10, JOBD
Ready for Windows Vista
PCI Express Gigabit LAN Supported
8-Channel HD Audio CODEC
CPU V-core 31-Shift / Debug Port
ATX Form Factor

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Also, AM3 Ready doesn't mean the socket is AM3.
It simply means "AM3 compatible".

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Originally Posted by chew*

I'm not sure I just know i was working on a shopping list and when i clicked on motherboards the AM3 tab option appeared with 1 board. First thing i looked at was closeup of the socket...........

Did a little more investigating and found this in the am2/am2+ selection.

Replaced by JHA04-LF

JetWay HA04-Extreme AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

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This one is the HA04-Xtreme :


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/h...A04-Xtreme.jpg



Also 790FX-SB600...and nothing on Jetway's website except this flyer (pdf) ...

Maybe they release info in a while...but i have a feeling it's just the SB750 version of HA04 (cutting cost from fancy heatpipes and adding the SB750)...


Edit : Again looking at the price...the Xtreme cost $139.99 and this one only $99.99 ....maybe the SB600 is correct....790FX & SB750 should have higher price normally...

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Originally Posted by kenofstephen

Also, AM3 Ready doesn't mean the socket is AM3.
It simply means "AM3 compatible".

I am sure that AM3 CPU can put into AM2 socket,
but AM3 socket has 1pin less so the AM2 CPUs may not be able to fit into the 1 pin less socket.

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Thats why I offered the link to newegg......Seriously please read before posting......

Another cut and paste this time from newegg :rolleyes:

Supported CPU
CPU Socket Type AM3
CPU Type Phenom FX / Phenom / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 X2
FSB 2600MHz Hyper Transport (5200 MT/s)


How about linking the source of your information that the SOCKET will have one pin less..........

We all know the cpu has less pins, there are many sources for that........

Jetway announced an HA04 Ultra (SB750) a couple of months ago, but it never seemed to pop up at any retailers.

BTW, I've got an HA04 Extreme sitting here if anyone's interested.:D

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Originally Posted by chew*

Thats why I offered the link to newegg......Seriously please read before posting......

Another cut and paste this time from newegg :rolleyes:

Supported CPU
CPU Socket Type AM3
CPU Type Phenom FX / Phenom / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 X2
FSB 2600MHz Hyper Transport (5200 MT/s)


How about linking the source of your information that the SOCKET will have one pin less..........

We all know the cpu has less pins, there are many sources for that........

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Sorry for my bad english
let me try to explain again
I mean

AM3 SOCKET has one MORE pin reserved for future purpose.
The coming AM3 CPU won't utilize that pin so it can plug into the AM2/AM2+ board.

But that extra pin will be utilized some days later I believe,
so if that's the case, the future AM3 CPU may not be able to plug into a board with AM2 SOCKET.

Hope this time I've made it clearer. :)

I have the sample board,
I took a picture to show the extra pin hole of the socket. ;)

AM2+ CPU supports DDR2,
AM3 CPU supports both DDR2 and DDR3, at least true for this moment.

so, the true AM3 socketed board should have 941 pins.
that's what I wanted to talk about.

kenofstephen, which board is that you have there ?

Just for comparison i give a pic of AM2 Socket :


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/h...socket-AM2.jpg

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Originally Posted by felix_w

kenofstephen, which board is that you have there ?

Just for comparison i give a pic of AM2 Socket :

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that is a pure DDR3 socket AM3 board, just a sample.

if that one pin hole is the only difference then a AM2+ chip should fit making the Jetway still possible. Of course, that would depend on what that extra pin does :D

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Originally Posted by Overvolt_25

if that one pin hole is the only difference then a AM2+ chip should fit making the Jetway still possible. Of course, that would depend on what that extra pin does :D

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cut it? :D

Interesting info :). The way i see it,those JetWay boards are the same AM2+ ones like somebody already noticed.They provided the BIOS support for AM3 chips and re-branded these as AM3(ready). We have already seen ECS DDR3 AM3 board,the "true" AM3 board that has AM3 socket+DDR3 memory support.

As for pins(or holes) in AM2+/AM3 sockets,looks like AM2+ could fit in AM3 boards.Phenom II AM2+ version,should be essentially the same as Phenom II AM3 version ,only having the extra pin(or two if AM3 is 938 pin).AM3 socket on the other hand seems to have 940 or 941 "holes".

Whats the Point? I thought AM3 was drop in compatible with existing AM2+ Boards:shrug:

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Originally Posted by kenofstephen

I have the sample board,
I took a picture to show the extra pin hole of the socket. ;)

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Thanks for the pic. If it's true we can physically put AM2/AM2+ CPUs into AM3. :confused: If I'm not mistaken the coming AM3 Phenoms CPUs will only have 938 pins so I don't understand why the socket should have 941 pins. I want 939! :D

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2258/amlm3.jpg

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Originally Posted by Brother Esau

Whats the Point? I thought AM3 was drop in compatible with existing AM2+ Boards:shrug:

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"AM3 SOCKET has one MORE pin reserved for future purpose. The coming AM3 CPU won't utilize that pin so it can plug into the AM2/AM2+ board.

But that extra pin will be utilized some days later I believe, so if that's the case, the future AM3 CPU may not be able to plug into a board with AM2 SOCKET."

So I think he means Bulldozer and company under "future AM3 CPUs".

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Originally Posted by Brother Esau

Whats the Point? I thought AM3 was drop in compatible with existing AM2+ Boards:shrug:

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Brother,backward compatibility was never an issue ;).AM3 Phenom II chips should and will work in AM2 and AM2+ boards,provided BIOS support is there.
The other way around was the thing i was talking about:AM2+ Phenom II chips (supposedly DDR2 only) working in DDR3 AM3 boards which would mean AM2+ Phenom IIs are identical, from the IMC point of view,to the AM3 ones.The only difference would be a pin count between the two,TSI thermal interface and serial VIDs.

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Originally Posted by Slovnaft

it's Jetway.
what do you expect?

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Now that is just a brilliant comment.... :down:

This is all rather confusing :P

I was under the impression that AM3 CPUs worked in AM2+ (with DDR2) and AM3 (with DDR3) boards. So a board which is AM3 but supports DDR2 would be little different to an AM2+ board, except it'd possibly have an AM3 chipset if there's an advantage over AM2+ chipsets. Of course I'm not entirely sure what CPUs will work in what board. And I'd suggest nobody take a word of what I say as useful information :P

Haha Halk, lets just wait and see what happens :p:

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Originally Posted by Halk

This is all rather confusing :P

I was under the impression that AM3 CPUs worked in AM2+ (with DDR2) and AM3 (with DDR3) boards. So a board which is AM3 but supports DDR2 would be little different to an AM2+ board, except it'd possibly have an AM3 chipset if there's an advantage over AM2+ chipsets. Of course I'm not entirely sure what CPUs will work in what board. And I'd suggest nobody take a word of what I say as useful information :P

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Halk read my post above :).

Hi guys

Well, since B2 Phenoms, Everest reports that K10s IMC support DDR3 800 mems.

My "feeling" is a "Phenom I" working at DDR3 with an AM3+DDR3 board.
But... I can be wrong.:slap:

I'm just waiting for the hardware to be out, and then we will see.

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Well, looks like I was right. I stated in a previous post that AM2+ chips can go in AM3 boards and was shot down by roofsniper and someone else.

I always remembered seeing a slide from an AMD presentation with a picture of the 3 sockets AM2, AM2+ and AM3 next to each other. It had arrows point from one socket to another for each CPU showing which they could go in. I can't find it anymore which is rather annoying.
On that diagram as I remember it, AM2+ cpus were the only one that could go in ALL 3 sockets. Though it did NOT mention anything about if the AM3 board had to have DDR2 for a AM2+ chip to go in it.
On the slide it said that AM3 could NOT go in AM2 boards as they did not support the split voltage plane and it is something that has to be engineered into the board when making it, it is not a simple bios update. It was the difference that made a board AM2+ and not AM2.
However all 3 sockets were otherwise the same electrically and physically it stated.
I imagine that IF the specs were available early enough which is possible, then mobo makers could have made AM2 boards with support for the split voltage plane then they could take AM3 cpus.(Though this effectively really makes them AM2+ boards even if they were marketed as AM2)
Also, if AM3 boards can have DDR2 or IF(unlikely?) AM2+ cpus can go in a AM3 DDR3 board, what the hell is the difference that makes a board AM3?

P.S ALL K10 cpus have always had the support for DDR3 right from the very 1st samples AFAIK. I think AMD did that just in case DDR3 caught on really fast and needed to make the transition to DDR3 earlier since it is intel that generally drives the market and brings the volume for prices to drop down.
On that note, has AMD ever supported a new memory format before intel? Cant think of any instances off the top of my head.

P.P.S informal could you post a link or something to any AM2 board supporting AM3 cpus? As I was always under the impression the mobo needed the split plane voltage requirement engineered into the board. I really wish we could just get some AMD guy, even a PR guy just come in and post or something and clear it all up.