5Ghz air done Core i7 Extreme

Francois from Intel came to Las Vegas for a few days to play on the Cascade with some good chips as well as go over current known issues. Testing the setup on air we wanted to see what the first chip out would do.

Cherry chip, Core i7 Extreme
Intel DX58SO Smackover 403
Thermaltake 120 w/ two fans
1.47vcore
70c on all cores
4 cores / threads enabled
Recorded in HD - video soon

This chips max frequency was 5.7Ghz on the triple stage @ -100c

http://fugger.netfirms.com/maxair.jpg

Done Thanksgiving day, many thanks Intel.

SICK!

Can't wait for results on the cascade.

wow.. on air!

how many cherry chips will you be testing ?

Wow.... amazing chip...

Maybe you can post your Biossettings?

cherry pie taste good.:D

Wow, very nice!:)

wooow! Nice :clap:

Ill be pleased if you send me the worst cherry after you guys are done with it. :rofl:

thats a pretty insane chip..the cascade results will be interesting to say the least :D keep pushing it !!

Maybe Francois should create a new line of products called "Cherry Edition" :D

fantastic

Dr. Who is not joking hehehehe
Charles bring to us the Magic7

Wow that was quick. I like a man who keeps his words; 6Ghz should be a walk in the park. :up:

Killer chip, indeed...

Awsome CPU, insane speed on air cooling. :eek:

F*ck!
5.7GHz i7 will be more than good enough for some serious AquaMark 3 & 3D Mark06 damage.
Show us some numbers Charles!

Now that's nice ! :up: :eek:

Results under cascade must be awesome ! :eek2:

:eek2: 5Ghz on air. :shocked:

why cutting out the stepping/model number Charles..? :D

This is unbelievable!!! Is this with all 8 threads enabled?:shocked:

awesome man, that chip is screaming litteraly uh

cant wait to see some damage done

keep pushing it

Good job nice to see this chip being pushed although I figured a cherry chip would do 6ghz but 5.7 is damn good

holy moly 5ghz on air. :shock:

Impressive!!!

Holy :banana::banana::banana::banana: that's insane. But isn't over 1.4 vcore bad for the 45 mm chips?

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Originally Posted by soulesschild

Holy :banana::banana::banana::banana: that's insane. But isn't over 1.4 vcore bad for the 45 mm chips?

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then you dont want to see the E8600 runs with 1.9 v

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Originally Posted by soulesschild

Holy :banana::banana::banana::banana: that's insane. But isn't over 1.4 vcore bad for the 45 mm chips?

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No 1.47v it is without danger.

Look at the page 22 of this pdf:
http://download.intel.com/design/pro...hts/320834.pdf

Ahh...and nice frequency on air :D

Amazing results!! 5ghz on air is :clap:!!! I was excited to get 5040Mhz on my 8600 stable!

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Originally Posted by Ozzfest05

Good job nice to see this chip being pushed although I figured a cherry chip would do 6ghz but 5.7 is damn good

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Just a cascade got 5.7 @ -100, maybe if the chip has low coldbug, you could do LN2 @ -140 getting 6+Ghz

Wow. Just a super cherry chip or was its thermal diode modified?

Anyway, Charles will definitely crack the 6GHz barrier soon. :up:

Come on Charles we wanna see that stepping/Revision :D

Cool result, i really hope we are going to see a lot of new chips over 5GHz :sonic:

Is this a retail chip or ES? Does this chip have the special mods that only Intel can do? I'm assuming these are retail binned chips with no mods...

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Originally Posted by Sup3rman

Is this a retail chip or ES? Does this chip have the special mods that only Intel can do? I'm assuming these are retail binned chips with no mods...

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From another thread

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Originally Posted by FUGGER

All done guys, very impressive results and worked out some details to improve the quality of future chips for everyone overclocking and average users alike.

The results from the past two days are being reviewed for any errors, only results from un-modified chips will be shown as there may be some issue to fudging, to eliminate this possibility only the righteous chip screen shots will be shown.

Im getting approval tonight on screen shots, so hang tight.

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Originally Posted by FUGGER

Cherry chip, Core i7 Extreme
Intel DX58SO Smackover 403
Thermaltake 120 w/ two fans
1.47vcore
70c on all cores
4 cores / threads enabled
Recorded in HD - video soon

This chips max frequency was 5.7Ghz on the triple stage @ -100c
Done Thanksgiving day, many thanks Intel.

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Amazing air result, would you please share Intel SO BIOS Settings with us?
That will be a good reference point for me...

Thanks a lot...

is it eng sample?

Now that is XTREME! :up: :surf:

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Originally Posted by StrangerS

:eek2: 5Ghz on air. :shocked:

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yes... :clap:

WTG Fugger !!

Just REAL XTREME. Congrats, mate! Very well done.

Hey m8, that's insane... Want to see some 3DM damage soon ;) GL

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Originally Posted by FUGGER

only results from un-modified chips will be shown

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Like we believe that, we all know Fugger is intel's puppet, he says what they pay him to say, how can you prove it's unmodded? and why hide the stepping/revision?


It's all marketing, your average retail chip will never reach these speeds.

My money says (ES).

I sincerely hope this is a retail chip with a new stepping/revision! If so, we'll be having some good times when they are released. If not, Intel's a b*tch for showing us these results:p:

It's not a retail chip as far as I know. They are super cherry picked cream of the crop samples.

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Originally Posted by Northwood

Like we believe that, we all know Fugger is intel's puppet, he says what they pay him to say, how can you prove it's unmodded? and why hide the stepping/revision?


It's all marketing, your average retail chip will never reach these speeds.

My money says (ES).

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My money says banned..:D

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Originally Posted by Frontl1ne

It's not a retail chip as far as I know. They are super cherry picked cream of the crop samples.

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I would be very surprised if it was retail, but that doesn't stop me from hoping it is :)

5ghz on air, gewd gawd.

Fugger said these aren't retail chips.

hahahaha :ROTF: God I love it! This is outstanding!

...err, I mean the OC'ing Fugger did...not the fanboi that got kicked out.

Fugger, do you ever sell good cpu's like this? if you do PMME i will pick one up!

Also a question for you guys who know most about the Core i7, any word on Loadline Calibration, some were saying 45NM cpu's from intel die from it, is this true for i7???

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

hahahaha :ROTF: God I love it! This is outstanding!

...err, I mean the OC'ing Fugger did...not the fanboi that got kicked out.

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It's not the first time that guy has made nasty comments here.
You don't come to Fugger's site and talk about him like that.
I sent him on a 7 day vacation and that was being nice.
Should have been a year.

Very nice speed aircooled fugger, can you explain why youre efficienty of pi sucks that hard? i have the almost the same score 8.625 at 4740 mhz (also aircooled b.t.w) max frequency 4800+

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Originally Posted by Movieman

It's not the first time that guy has made nasty comments here.
You don't come to Fugger's site and talk about him like that.
I sent him on a 7 day vacation and that was being nice.
Should have been a year.

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Yeah, I just wanted to make sure somebody didn't miscontrue my comments to mean I was applauding what he said above. I was being careful. :D

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Originally Posted by Rol-Co

Very nice speed aircooled fugger, can you explain why youre efficienty of pi sucks that hard? i have the almost the same score 8.625 at 4740 mhz (also aircooled b.t.w) max frequency 4800+

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I think he probably ran that 1M run, just to make a point : 5GHz+ not only at cpu-z suicide screenshot, but also 1M stable ;)

My memory and qpi were at lowest ratios to rule out those factors, I was going for 5Ghz and made short work of it. I did not spend much time on air for each chip, this was the first one tested and it was semi decent. Best of all, its on HD video.

Northwood doesnt bother me, he has been here forever.

5GHz on air

faints

show us the cascade benches if they are saved :)

Nice work Charles and Francois. :up:
They had already said these were going to be very special chips not to be confused with retail but we can always hope. This bodes well for the future.

There are going to plenty of records starting to fall.....

Where is the sub 7 minute 32M run?:D

Thanks for sharing:)

with 5.7/5.8 he'll probably hit sub 6m mark rofl :shocked:

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Originally Posted by FUGGER

I did not spend much time on air for each chip, this was the first one tested and it was semi decent. Best of all, its on HD video.

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:shocked: i want to have the same preception of performance as you do. :D

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

:shocked: i want to have the same preception of performance as you do. :D

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Yea, 5GHz on air..semi decent..:rofl:

So, will there be a point in time where we can expect this of retail chips? I mean, will we get, like, a 3.6ghz stock, 5ghz OC chip?

what´s the max freq with 8 threads enabled? and max freq 3d stable? excellent results!

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Originally Posted by Brian y.

There are going to plenty of records starting to fall.....

Where is the sub 7 minute 32M run?:D

Thanks for sharing:)

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Sub 7 is already done...;)

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Originally Posted by TheKarmakazi

Sub 7 is already done...;)

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can you show it? coz i didn't seen any 6min results shared http://www.ripping.org/benchmarks.ph...es&superpi=32M
but ofc we all know its already done :D

anyway congrats Fugger, this chip is insane, have fun playing with :up:

btw if possible (i mean its allowed you), pls tell us THE batch :)

I got the video on HDV tape and HD 1080i camera, I am starting editing ... (ETA: end of week end)
That was fun!

Cool, I can't wait to see HD Video! My monitor is 32" HD! :clap:

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

I got the video on HDV tape and HD 1080i camera, I am starting editing ... (ETA: end of week end)
That was fun!

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Sweet, can't wait to see that 5Ghz action on air. :up:

FUGGER-san

5Ghz with air, So sweet!!:toast:

Awesome clocks - hopefully we'll see similar clockable CPUs in the retail channels as well!

well done finnaly you can get 5Ghz on air .....amazing chip...:up::up:

how many cores were enabled, you can't see it in the screenshot.

Thanks guys

4 cores 8 threads enabled.

vcore 1.47v
vmem 1.66v
qpi 1.35v

memory @ 6
uclk @ 12
qpi @ 36x
SPD

33x152bclock

** WARNING THIS POST IS IN GOOD HUMOUR AND OLYMPIC SPIRIT **

Now for a bit of fun, hopefully they green guys will take up the torch and we will see a similar thread in the Xtreme Overclocking section titled

'5Ghz air done Phenom II (golden cherry picked sample)'

where Macci will be dictating the action with his camera man, heeehehee

Lets see the action roll

:D

** WARNING OVER **

Awesome!! :up:
Awaiting 5.7G numbers...

waiting for the results from the "decent" chips :shocked:

wait for 5.7ghz score:shocked:

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Originally Posted by mongoled

** WARNING THIS POST IS IN GOOD HUMOUR AND OLYMPIC SPIRIT **

Now for a bit of fun, hopefully they green guys will take up the torch and we will see a similar thread in the Xtreme Overclocking section titled

'5Ghz air done Phenom II (golden cherry picked sample)'

where Macci will be dictating the action with his camera man, heeehehee

Lets see the action roll

:D

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I would love to see that. It would be awesome! See? This could motivate people in a positive way if we kept it freindly. Let's fire it up. Seriously. C'mon guys DO IT! I dare ya. ;) C'mon. It would be Super Really Cool.

Very nice congrats :up:

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Originally Posted by FUGGER

My memory and qpi were at lowest ratios to rule out those factors, I was going for 5Ghz and made short work of it. I did not spend much time on air for each chip, this was the first one tested and it was semi decent. Best of all, its on HD video.

Northwood doesnt bother me, he has been here forever.

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No offence charles,but youre efficienty is 42700 , i can't even get it that low at vista, the intel board is a sample board or special bios with lower qpi/uclk dividers? that would explane this and why you get it that high.

george o/c
running 1m stable here too at 4740 air...if i could run 5ghz+ it would be a 8.1xx pi 1m score. No tweaks or what so ever just run it..

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Originally Posted by Rol-Co

No offence charles,but youre efficienty is 42700 , i can't even get it that low at vista, the intel board is a sample board or special bios with lower qpi/uclk dividers? that would explane this and why you get it that high.

george o/c
running 1m stable here too at 4740 air...if i could run 5ghz+ it would be a 8.1xx pi 1m score. No tweaks or what so ever just run it..

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are you getting around 41K

easy dinos22.... 41000 is normal, 40300 with higher memory (800 7-7-7).

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Originally Posted by Rol-Co

easy dinos22.... 41000 is normal, 40300 with higher memory (800 7-7-7).

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interesting
i am getting above 41K with gigabyte (high RAM clocks and all
at stock its mid 40K roughly

Mabe you should try dualchannel dinos ;)

http://www.rol-co.nl/hwi/4533-8.891.jpg

http://www.rol-co.nl/hwi/4740-1m.jpg

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Originally Posted by FUGGER

Thanks guys

4 cores 8 threads enabled.

vcore 1.47v
vmem 1.66v
qpi 1.35v

memory @ 6
uclk @ 12
qpi @ 36x
SPD

33x152bclock

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Is that on the MB in your sig?

no its the intel smackover board with 403 bios. read it in first post:D

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Originally Posted by Rol-Co

Mabe you should try dualchannel dinos ;)

http://www.rol-co.nl/hwi/4533-8.891.jpg

http://www.rol-co.nl/hwi/4740-1m.jpg

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Yeah I noticed that your runs are at around ~40.3k pp easy ... So you're saying that it's the dual-channel that does the trick ? :)

'Cause most of the guys are at around 41k ...

For sure triple is not alway's faster, or it does not give you advance.

some benchmarks like 32m like the triple...

Οk thanks for the heads up Rol-Co :)

I wish Intel would offer such modified retail chips like these FUGGER is testing. No fun only watching when you know it's impossible to get retail chips overclocking like these. :( Maybe Lynnfield will be better though.

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

I wish Intel would offer such modified retail chips like these FUGGER is testing. No fun only watching when you know it's impossible to get retail chips overclocking like these. :( Maybe Lynnfield is better though.

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Those chip get sold into the stream ... they are somewhere ... the problem is to catch them. :yepp:

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

Those chip get sold into the stream ... they are somewhere ... the problem is to catch them. :yepp:

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I was referring to this http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=209057

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Intel plans its own public demonstration of the overclocking capabilities of the Core i7 processors. This, in response to rival AMD achieving an overclock of well beyond 5.00 GHz, and booting at speeds above 6.00 GHz. The engineers at Intel reportedly carried out a large-scale binning of Core i7 processors, to cherry-pick the best performing part. The scale of binning could well be best of 100,000 units.

A chief engineer at Intel, Francoise Piednoel expressed his reservations regarding the 6.00 GHz overclocking feat AMD carried out with its upcoming Phenom II X4 processor last week, saying that the overclocking capabilities of the Phenom II X4 demonstrated do not reflect those of release-grade products, and cannot be replicated in a real-world setting. AMD may have disabled several sensors on the cherry-picked chip used in its demonstration, which facilitated that overclock. In response to this, Intel would be disabling the same sensors, in its special demonstration chip. The demo could be held at CES 2009. The professional overclocker chosen to achieve this feat would be none other than FUGGER from XtremeSystems. FUGGER could be set the task of taking the most desirable, binned Core i7 965 Extreme Edition chip all the way up to a stellar 7.00 GHz, if all goes well.

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So this chip isn't one of those "special" chips then? If so, no retail ones will O/C as good no matter how cherry picked they are.

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

I was referring to this http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=209057



So this chip isn't one of those "special" chips then? If so, no retail ones will O/C as good no matter how cherry picked they are.

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we DID NOT DISSABLE to get there. I said that we may, but we did not.

Nice chip there Fugger :) , gratz to nice clocks.


I realy hope this chips will not be used to take some WR.... i think it would be cheating(not all can get Cherry picked cpus, so the WR fighting will not be fair anymore)

Screens and more is :up: from me..

But taking WR in 3Dmark and more is "Big" :down: from me.

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Originally Posted by Lastviking

Nice chip there Fugger :) , gratz to nice clocks.


I realy hope this chips will not be used to take some WR.... i think it would be cheating(not all can get Cherry picked cpus, so the WR fighting will not be fair anymore)

Screens and more is :up: from me..

But taking WR in 3Dmark and more is "Big" :down: from me.

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What you obviously don't know is that the guys with the WRs mostly have handpicked gems. People even pass the same gems around to their friends. Don't look past the fact that even if the chips are cherrypicked, they're still Intel products. We don't need to be myopic here, neither AMD nor Intel is promising 6Ghz retail chips to the end user.

.., what ever chip it is.., extremely impressive and ofcourse big congrats to sweet results!!! :-)

I've a single question...

What's your max b-clock for that Smackover board?

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Originally Posted by Zucker2k

What you obviously don't know is that the guys with the WRs mostly have handpicked gems. People even pass the same gems around to their friends. Don't look past the fact that even if the chips are cherrypicked, they're still Intel products. We don't need to be myopic here, neither AMD nor Intel is promising 6Ghz retail chips to the end user.

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Handpicked and cherrypicked is diffrent. If you want to take a WR you need to test many chips and find the best one to have any chance to get the WR(thats ok all can do that) , But if Amd or Intel give out cherrypicked chips thats normal users cant buy/get is a very diffrent story.

Are you geting it now? , or do you dont stil not understand me?

Ps. I have been around many years so i understand and know the most stuff here.

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Originally Posted by Lastviking

Handpicked and cherrypicked is diffrent. If you want to take a WR you need to test many chips and find the best one to have any chance to get the WR(thats ok all can do that) , But if Amd or Intel give out cherrypicked chips thats normal users cant buy/get is a very diffrent story.

Are you geting it now? , or do you dont stil not understand me?

Ps. I have been around many years so i understand and know the most stuff here.

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Hey dude, I am getting a similar sort of response from Zucker2k in the other thread. You know we have only been around XS since 2003, ofcourse we are n00bs

:rofl:

This to me is so straight forward, yet some wish to argue this, I just dont get it :confused:

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Originally Posted by mongoled

Hey dude, I am getting a similar sort of response from Zucker2k in the other thread. You know we have only been around XS since 2003, ofcourse we are n00bs

:rofl:

This to me is so straight forward, yet some wish to argue this, I just dont get it :confused:

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Back to Topic :) ... one thing i dont get... the chip do 5.0ghz on air and -100c cooling give 5.7ghz, is not 700mhz small bost? with much beter cooling?

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Originally Posted by Lastviking

Handpicked and cherrypicked is diffrent. If you want to take a WR you need to test many chips and find the best one to have any chance to get the WR(thats ok all can do that) , But if Amd or Intel give out cherrypicked chips thats normal users cant buy/get is a very diffrent story.

Are you geting it now? , or do you dont stil not understand me?

Ps. I have been around many years so i understand and know the most stuff here.

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I think if you read Francois carefully, you'll understand that cherrypicked chips have always been passed from Intel (or AMD for that matter) to selected few like FUGGER, who have gone on to break some records. Again, if you did read carefully, you should have caught on to the fact that some of these gems (cherrypicked chips) do pass through the cracks and end up in the hands of enthusiasts anyway. So what is your point again?

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

we DID NOT DISSABLE to get there. I said that we may, but we did not.

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Sorry, I was just curious as that changes things a whole lot. :D Impressive results, too bad those gems are very rare. :up:

If you decide to disable stuff in order to get further which could be quite interesting too just to see what crazy clocks can be achieved this way then please clearly state that or else it's not fair IMO.

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

Sorry, I was just curious as that changes things a whole lot. :D Impressive results, too bad those gems are very rare. :up:

If you decide to disable stuff in order to get further which could be quite interesting too just to see what crazy clocks can be achieved this way then please clearly state that or else it's not fair IMO.

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If we dissable,I will let you know, I am 100% for full disclosure.we don't plan to do anythink like this, it looks like thermal control never gets in the way of OC, so, dissabling is not required.
One of the reason I wanted to do this test was to make sure that an OC made by a master was following the same logic as we do in the labs.
The technics are very similar.

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

If we dissable,I will let you know, I am 100% for full disclosure.we don't plan to do anythink like this, it looks like thermal control never gets in the way of OC, so, dissabling is not required.
One of the reason I wanted to do this test was to make sure that an OC made by a master was following the same logic as we do in the labs.
The technics are very similar.

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I have 2 questions but not sure if you´re allowed to answer them.

What was the selection method used to get the first batch of cpus you took to fugger´s home?

Care to explain what the 'sustrate number' written on the pcb means and if it has anything to do with the oc potential of the cpu? (here´s a sample pic showing that number)

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9765/sustrategs2.jpg

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Originally Posted by npk

I have 2 questions but not sure if you´re allowed to answer them.

What was the selection method used to get the first batch of cpus you took to fugger´s home?

Care to explain what the 'sustrate number' written on the pcb means and if it has anything to do with the oc potential of the cpu? (here´s a sample pic showing that number)

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9765/sustrategs2.jpg

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no, i can t answer this, sorry.