Hi All,
Kinda anyway. Full review is out tomorrow.
http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=471
Regards,
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Hi All,
Kinda anyway. Full review is out tomorrow.
http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=471
Regards,
looks promising so far.. :cool:
Indeed. Looks good.
I'm gonna wait for 45nm CPUs until I dump this stupid Intel LGA775 platform & Q6600. I'm getting really tired of FSB, Intel's MCHs & the BIOS architecture of LGA775 boards. No more Intel for me.
The way I look at is it this way. If it helps Anandtech broach the 3Ghz barrier or 3.2Ghz in this instance then some of our more Xtreme members might even push 4Ghz :D
Nice.
Some good news. I thought that this new feature Advanced clock calibration was reserved for AMD Overdrive only. It's good to hear that it will be incoporated into BIOSes as well.
That should hopefully mean that the overclocking boost with Southbride 750 is not available only in Windows.
It will not help that much, if your CPU is already good, might see 100~150MHz out of it with some individual core tweaking. However, you will be able to run at lower voltages and higher NB clock speeds. It works best on those CPUs that have been poor overclockers, seeing about a 300MHz increase on a old 9850BE that would not do more than 2.7GHz today.
I really hope these SB750 boards improved overclocking is also present via BIOS.... I dont like AOD AT ALL.
Jesus, tell me about it! I can literally touch nothing other than the CPU multipliers and when I hit apply the HT link or PCI-E would just randomly shoot up into the red, giving instant BSOD goodness.... wtf is up with that?
Like you mine is watercooled, so I really want to get the most out of it (even if it takes 1.55v+, the cooling can take it). :/
Found this to those interested:
http://my.ocworkbench.com/2008/supox/AK790+GTR/g2.htm
Yeah. It drives me crazy. Mine exhibits the exact same behavior. Just the multiplier works. Everything else is simply wrong, erroneous or broken. Something is just plain wrong with the software, I'm not sure what. NTune on the Nvidia boards sucked also, I had those for years.
I suspect that its written by AMD and is expected to run on every motherboard is part of the problem. But honestly, I only used it to fart around with limits. I still do everything with BIOS anyway, even though it takes longer.
The implementation is probably where the real fault lies, not the software. I know the software is the visible piece of the puzzle and thus is easy to blame, but it just doesn't seem correct.
I have been waiting on a motherboard upgrade for SB750 in the event that the hype was real. It seems to be. I wonder how much longer it will take until a 790FX board is paired with it? That is idealy what I want, however from some articles I have read the 780GX also seems to be a potentially good overclocker. Any idea if those boards will have more than 5-phase power? I would LOVE a uATX mobo that I could push a phenom in. I want to make a nice travel computer ;)
The Foxconn A79A-S being tested by Anandtech IS a 790FX with a SB750. We might see these BEFORE the GX boards.
I hope so... I want one NOW. And yes... it does seem that what some people considered the AMD smoke and mirrors show is ACTUALLY going to be something that might make some people green with envy.
Good clocks on Vista 64 is pretty important to me, hope the 750 solves that issue.
As posted by macci a few days ago at muropaketti.com:
17071
(screenshot)
Phenom 9600BE @ 3360 (210x16) 1.55V
CPU NB = 2520MHz
RAM = 560MHz CL4-5-5-15-16
2x Radeon 3870 GFX @ 945/1310
AMD "Betta" (SB750)
Pretty nice OC for a 9600BE...
MoF,
And the cooling used was ?
Woa.
That's also a lot of voltage on air, but still...WOA.
Also any word if thats a BE or just a normal 9600?
That's just so much voltage for Air though, I wonder if we're seeing those 6 magic pins in action?
1.55 isn't too bad at least hes got great air cooling, I wonder how much tweaking he had to do to get it that high. I'm really hoping Anandtech goes deep into it today
Can't wait to put Deneb and SB750 together. Been waiting for a change in my PC (holding on crappy M2A-VM mobo). I'm sure it's going to be great :)
i couldnt get in vista 64 more than 100 mhz
strange, but i never had issues with AOD on my msi k9a plat on xp 32bit
oh btw, waiting for 750 board to hit shops, first thing on my buy list at the moment :) for sure will buy the new gx series, not sure if i will replace both my 780 and 790fx that i have know.
32-bit Server 2008 Enterprise 60 day trial (240 days if renewed): http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
It is basically Vista 32-bit with PAE functionality, meaning it will address 64GB of memory (probably <4GB per thread though).
It should work automatically, but maybe you need to add the /PAE switch to boot.ini.
All my clockin was done in vista 64bit, 3.4GHZ+ was quite easy...so you saying I will reach 4GHZ in XP?
LOL I doubt it :(
I think it is CPU specific how different they will behave in 32bit and 64bit. For example my first 9500 did 2.45GHz in 64bit and 2.6GHz in 32bit stable.
Then my 9600BE did 2.5GHz in 32bit but was not stable in 64bit even at 2.0GHZ!! Replacement came from same batch and the story repeated with a small difference that it did 2.2GHz stable in 64bit - another RMA. Then finally I had 9600BE which was stable up to 2.6GHz in 32bit and 2.33GHz in 64bit. No matter voltages, HTT, RAM. My friend got 9600BE which can do 2.5GHz in 64bit stable. I've tried most of these CPUs on 2 different boards, my Gigabyte MA790FX-DQ6 and MSI K9A2 Platinium.
Now I'm sitting with 9850BE @2.73-2.77GHz in 64bit, anything more from BIOS and no-boot to desktop. I can set 2.8GHz in AOD but system will froze while idling.
In depth preview up!
It was down, now its back up =D 3.5 on a 9950!
http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/sho...spx?i=3360&p=1
where??
Looks like this ACC thing actually works, that sure will help.
I like that they are able to hit nice clocks with such low voltage =D
I wonder if water would even matter on them since they don't seem to be voltage limited, a nice Air Cooling setup would really be more than sufficiant
ahh i got it..
Only page one worked for awhile, then they took it down and put it back up again. Looks like launch time is next week.
reads like voodoo but working :clap:
but i dont know if its really time for me to change boards soon now and go phenom...
Jubilation!
If Anand can now get 3.4Ghz on a 9850 and 3.5Ghz on a 9950... that indeed bodes well. (Since their highest before was 3.0Ghz.)
Hey... they used DDR2-1066 ram! Hopefully they'll continue to use that for benchmarking.
Hmm seems to confirm what I susptected for quite some time..... that the SB600 was the main cause for the "Clock Interrupt not recieved by a Seconday Processor...." BSOD..
I'm willing to bet that the secondary processor it refers to is in fact the SB600...
The improved communication between CPU and Southbridge with the 6-pin direct link between the CPU and the SB750 resolves this particualr issue, so allowing the CPU to reveal its true potential.
At least every time I would be hitting a wall, this particular BSOD was the only BSOD that kept occurring... nothing else....always "Clock Interrupt on a Secondary Processor"
Now we find out that a new SB with a newly added direct link to the CPU, improves Overclocking....HMmmmm...?????.....Not a big stretch of the imagination....!!!!
What do you think...?????
But hey if ti works and finally Phenom can OC above 3.0GHz.... I :clap::clap::clap::clap: them.... Took them long enough though..!!!
Whats this new product they "Don't dare mention."...???????
And also what was that about PCI-E 1.1 support only...????
I'm really excited to see how the B2's perform as well, this could be a very big win for early adopters.
Also I dont think they have the correct statement with PCI-1.1, since on the SB750 chart it's showing PCI-E v2 (presumably 2.0) I think just miscomunication
The SB750 will be magical with Deneb. Thinking about it is making me giddy. What I want to know is WTF is being released alongside the 790GX that they keep saying they "dare not mention"?! Its affiliated with AOD as well. Is there new Northbridge we don't know about? Is AMD releasing a newer CPU? Dang, I can't wait until next week now...
I will go back and reword that probably, although we never had questions in the SB700 review about it. ;) The 790FX/780G NB offers PCIe 2.0 support for graphics. The SB700/750 A-Link Express II interface to the NB is via PCIe 1.1, there is still plenty of bandwidth available, just that we have been after AMD/ATI for two years now to get that link up to PCIe 2.0 to match the NB.
Well I love AOD,really..
It just keep getting better and better, the only problems
with it was the beta (2.1.1) version.
It fully works on 2 boards including the M2r it also "works"
on the Asus m3a however the only sliders I can change are:
cpu,HT multy,and the cpu&NB Vcore.
Guys (and girls) with the M2r use the 2.1.0 version of the AOD
and make a CMOS reloaded profile with all settings at default.
I mean certain things you can only do with AOD: like individual
core clocking and adding certain voltage levels to the cpu.
I do use XP32 however maybe Vista+BIOS+AOD is the
problem not just: AOD is sh*t end of story....
Waiting for a DFI-790gx here ....
Sorry I should have mentioned, my sig needs updating my current system is:
Phenom 9850BE @ 2.9Ghz (1.475v) - 3.0Ghz (1.5v - not stable)
ASUS M3A32-MVP Deluxe
2 x 2GB G.SKill PC2-8500 RAM @ 5-5-5-15 2T
2 x GeCube HD4850's CF @ 700/1100
Vista Home Premium 64-bit
2 x 160GB Samsung Spinpoints (RAID-0)
1 x 320GB Seagate 7200.10 (JBOD)
Thermaltake Toughpower 750W PSU
Thermaltake PurePower Express 250W VGA PSU
So I have got the SB600 at the moment..:)
Phew I thought that I was eithre missing something or that there was a typo or something.... !!! thaks for clearing that up....Quote:
Originally Posted by funnyperson1
It would be nice to see, definitely.... even if it was just for future-proofing etc... not that such a thing is possible these days... :D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by bingo13
Yes I got v. 2.1.1 at the moment looks pretty and all that, and the diagram is a novelty touch... I've never used AOD much, it just kept causing too many inexplicable locks ups, just upping the vCore a notch and applying and it would lock up, needing a reset... got fed up in the end... but maybe it'll be time to give it another chance with SB750...!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SocketMan
All I can say is WOW! wants one wants one wants one wants one NOWWWWW.
With luck this will put stinktell back where they belong, in mass market sheep products, following the leader in inovation into the next millenium and beyond.:cool:
Phew. So Andandtech have this confused?:)
I was going to say it's no bloody good giving with one hand and taking away with the other.
Upgrading overclockability and downgrading Graphics card potential. :shakes:
So PCI-E 1.1 is between 790FX/GX and SB750?
I actually thought it was Northbridge------ Hypertransport----- Southbridge. :shrug:
Why do you think that they kept saying "the thing that we dare not mention"?
It seems as though they are alluding to 790GX :shrug:
Still no northbridge multiplier for AMD Overdrive though....:down:
nothing i haven't thought also. not precisely that, but some control of the main cpu clock crossed my mind. So no big deal if it's that for me.
did imagine something like clock skewing.. makes pretty sense..
LOL.........So more or less they are way behind in releasing a Vital Micro Code Update for Phenom .:rofl: Well....Duh.... if we have not know that since the frigging Beginning of all this Hoopla:shakes: Six Pins my ASS:D
Its actually CPU->HyperTransport->Northbridge->PCIE1.1->Southbridge.
Really its not a big deal, Anandtech would like to see a PCIE2.0 link because Anandtech would like to see a bigger number. The southbridge only supports USB, SATA, PATA, Audio, and PCI. The 4 lane PCIE1.1 interface allows for 2GB/s of bandwith. It would be damn near impossible to use that kind of bandwith with these kinds of peripherals.
Guys,don't ask me how i know :),but it's not "clock skewing" since that is related to memory channels.
Yes it can,but it is not the case with K10 clocking and SB750.
Can you point me to a proof that Ed Stroligo's bs is valid?Thanks.
How do you know....???? :p::p::p:
But seriously it does make you wonder if its just not some strategy to boost their sales....
They were in a lot of trouble last year.... so...
- Launch a crippled Phenom + RD790 with SB600 knowing that some would sell because of the wait for them...
- Launch Black Editions which will then sell further and in all likelihood those who bought initially will also buy to replace the previously bought useless chips
- Launch AM2+ mobo's with SB700, people with SB600 replace mobo looking for better performance
- Launch SB750, and now utilise a hidden means of releasing the handicap of previous versions, people again buy new SB750 mobos, to replace their previous models
All this time AMD are cashing in with sales of mobos, CPU's being bought and then replaced,..... how many here can say they still have their original Phenom and mobo combination....!!!
I know I've changed 2 different Phenoms and at least 1 mobo..and will be getting a new 790FX/SB750 as well.... ..!!!
Of course theres no gain to be made from them holding back the Phenom any longer, as now there's an alternative choice in the shape of the NV 780a boards being available so all of a sudden the SB750 'magic' fix suddenly appears.... though all those NV780a mobo buyers will be cursing now, as having just bought their new mobo, its the AMD SB750 that releases this hidden perfromance boost with Phenom.... and guess what it suddenly becomes available as NV chipset boards are more readily availalbe...
It could all be a strategy....we see this kind of thing in the GFX cards market all the time, with NV and ATI , NV release one card to counter a card launched by ATI and vice versa....
Could it be that AMD have been holding onto their Trump card, waiting for NV boards for Phenom to be released before then releasing the SB750 to boost their own chipset sales...??????
Who knows....bit of wild speculation....been bored so my minds been racing...:D:D: Flights of fantasy and all that...!!!! But it could be plausible to some extent..!!!
HMMmmmmm....!!!!
Can you point us to proof that it is invalid? Ed admittedly offered an educated guess as to what these 6 "magic" pins do. All you have offered is "knowledge" that this isn't the case along with a statement that is completely untrue (that clock skewing is only related to memory channels).
If it is, its an idiotic strategy. Fact is AMD isn't cashing in, they are hemorraging money (search for their Q2 financial results). A healthy Phenom and SB750 at launch time would have probably helped stave off Intel's price war for a while and helped AMD make some money off these chips. The bug with the B2s cost AMD a LOT in the high-performance computing environments where they still had an advantage due to superior scaling in multiple-socket machines.Quote:
How do you know....????
But seriously it does make you wonder if its just not some strategy to boost their sales....
They were in a lot of trouble last year.... so...
1. Launch a crippled Phenom + RD790 with SB600 knowing that some would sell because of the wait for them...
2. Launch Black Editions which will then sell further and in all likelihood those who bought initially will also buy to replace the previously bought useless chips
3. Launch AM2+ mobo's with SB700, people with SB600 replace mobo looking for better performance
4. Launch SB750, and now utilise a hidden means of releasing the handicap of previous versions, people again buy new SB750 mobos, to replace their previous models
All this time AMD are cashing in with sales of mobos, CPU's being bought and then replaced,..... how many here can say they still have their original Phenom and mobo combination....!!!
I know I've changed 2 different Phenoms and at least 1 mobo..and will be getting a new 790FX/SB750 as well.... ..!!!
Of course theres no gain to be made from them holding back the Phenom any longer, as now there's an alternative choice in the shape of the NV 780a boards being available so all of a sudden the SB750 'magic' fix suddenly appears.... though all those NV780a mobo buyers will be cursing now, as having just bought their new mobo, its the AMD SB750 that releases this hidden perfromance boost with Phenom.... and guess what it suddenly becomes available as NV chipset boards are more readily availalbe...
It could all be a strategy....we see this kind of thing in the GFX cards market all the time, with NV and ATI , NV release one card to counter a card launched by ATI and vice versa....
Could it be that AMD have been holding onto their Trump card, waiting for NV boards for Phenom to be released before then releasing the SB750 to boost their own chipset sales...??????
Who knows....bit of wild speculation....been bored so my minds been racing...: Flights of fantasy and all that...!!!! But it could be plausible to some extent..!!!
HMMmmmmm....!!!!
No I can't, but you did accept that your own point was 'bs' and that's enough for me. Ed's article isn't 'bs', it contains a well supported theory, but at no point he states that he knows the theory to be true. But it seems you do, so despite your rather silly previous comment I believe you, naturally :p:
@ Kazgirl
2.1.1 is the beta "problem" version
My "AMD cpu stepping" is set to P0 as well.
Did you all notice the "new AOD" in that Anand "review" ?
The other "thing" that some people have "missed" is
the fact that we'll need less voltage for higher clocks:up:
I still have m3a with the original B2 9600be in it btw
well and the 790m2r with 9850be
God lets hope this week they get released, this is murdering me!
NICE! release them already
http://www.i4u.com/article19277.html
Phenomenal news but still no availability date mentioned :(
please dfi a picture at LEAST!!!!
don't forget this one
http://resources.vr-zone.com//eventp...d/IMG_0628.jpg
and there are lots of other upcoming boards listed in http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=190062
WOOOT WOOOOT WOOOOT on the ASUS!!!!!!!!!:up::clap::clap::eek::eek::eek::ROTF: :yepp::yepp::shocked::shocked:
Why the hell was that board no where mentioned before??????
I guess they kept a secret?
If this board has a decent power phase design i am back with ASUS!!!!!
Edit:
I want a bigger picture though.
@ nedjo @ ryan: yes i know these two dk versions but what about UT??
There won't be a UT version this time apparently.
about the whole clock skewing issue, is it possible to just benchmark the sb600 cpu at its max, and the sb750 at its +100ish mhz and see if there is about 5% more power coming out of it? we keep seeing screenshots of the OCs, but i dont see many performance benchmark comparisons between the new and old SBs, did i just miss them?
Somewhere in this forum is a presentation with DFIs roadmap and "LP UT 790FXB-M2RS" is listed in there.
Man I'm starting to think its going to be late August until we get ahold of one of these boards, I want a good chip don't get me wrong but this wait is ridiculous, we've only been able to get 1 review so far out and no launch date or anything from any manufacturer's just "soon"
Asus Showed their board this morning and it got me all excited thinking today's going to be a big news day, but apparently that's not going to happen :(
3.5 more days until the end of this month!
@ socket-man @ karolis: i now this roadmap it says ut 790FXB-M2RS in August or sometime around, but there havent been any fotos or other information. in germany you can already preorder this board at alternate, but delivery is timed in september..
the jr version will be micro-atx if i recall that right..
i want photos from the fxb-m2rs!!! :brick:
I'm thinking 790GX's mid/late Aug, and 790FX (SB750's) Mid September :(
ChristmasGT: Where do you get that? :shrug:
Reviews are showing up all over the web (especially Asia), and if I remember correctly Anand said they would be released this week....
From article dated 07/23/08Quote:
Originally Posted by Anand Tech
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3360&p=1
Haven't seen any reviews at all since the anantech one, and the only release date i've heard is "soon"
I wonder if they are just going to hold off for the R700 Launch which is mid august, I keep trying to search for reviews and nada :(
Btw here's a Gigabyte board incase it hasn't been shown yet:
http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showth...387#post434387
About time. I was waiting to hear of a ASUS Deluxe motherboard.
Concerning the part in bold I was under the impression that the M3A32-MVP Deluxe had one of if not the best power phase design (8+2 pulse width modulation) of this current generation of AM2+ motherboards.
I was considering the M3A32-MVP Deluxe Wifi-AP. I ended up not getting that motherboard partly (but not completely) because of very mixed reviews. I hope that this motherboard will be superior to that one in every way and address some of the reported flaws.
I am now just waiting for a Gigabyte 790FX+ SB750 DQ6 model. I hope that news of such a motherboard is forthcoming soon. I am slightly concerned vis a vis that as we have seen Gigabyte's 790GX + SB750 offering thus far.
I will very likely get one of these two motherboards if and when they materialise. I will wait quite a while for reviews and user evaluation first. Unfortunately I cannot afford to blow money away on a lemon.
One suspicious thing though....
They wrote:
"as well as being backed with a solid power design for the most stable operations. "
IF they had implemented a 8+2 phase power design they would have mentioned it.:shakes::shrug:
It's getting closer! Actually, the Asus news release stated that the board had been 'released', which indicates to me 'fly away to the retailers, little motherboard'. Could be a matter of corporate translation tho - released, announced, launched - pretty much interchangeable. I found an old announcement of the SB750 dated August 2007, which stated that the next chipset, SB800/890FX should be out by the end of the year - December 2007!:hump:
What I found amusing is some of the Russian sites' Google translation of the Asus announcement - there seems to be a 'food processor' mounted on this new motherboard!! Talk about integration! Those crazy Russians!:rofl:
Still waiting...................and occasionally rebooting because of the f**king freezes!:brick:
Actually I've read rumors from people that claim they have friends that work at "e-tailers" that say the boards are in stock... they are just waiting for AMD to blow the whistle.
I'm not sure I believe the rumors... but I can hope. I'll order that ASUS board the minute it is on newegg.
Maybe even before that point in time if I can go faster than light...
I like the 5 second linux boot thing they have...
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OH BOGUS... the announcement from the Asus site for the M3A79-T DELUXE has disappeared.. I know it was there earlier today.
That could mean things are VERY close... or it could be that AMD has postponed again. <cry>
Decided to call asus about the board just to see if they knew anything at all.
The guy seemed to know the board exactly (including the SB750) he said while not 100% certainty 1-2 months.
but he also went on to say that sometimes people will call with boards with them not even knowing they've released, so I wouldn't take it to seriously but just thought i'd give it a shot.
I Want that DFI! I say though if we don't find something out tommorrow we start talking to manufacturers, someone's gotta know something
I didn't realize that Quakecon starts wednesday.
That might have something to do with an announcement. (With them doing the "GAME.AMD.COM" marketing stuff.)