New XSPC Razor 9800GTX block.

I was just checking Jab-tech for their newest products and I noticed the new XSPC Razor 9800gtx waterblock. What's interesting is that is uses the same design as their new cpu block that I think did really well in thermal tests.

This is the first gpu block I've seen without the protruding copper around the gpu but instead of grooves cut out over the gpu. I think this should really cool it really well. I'm really impressed, looks like they really did a good job on it plus it's priced very well. XSPC is getting better everyday.

They have a pdf you can view on Jab-Tech's website which shows more pictures and installation. Looks really nice.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...9800-clear.jpg

http://www.jab-tech.com/XSPC-Razor-9...p-pr-4184.html

we should get one to martin to do some testing
it looks like the acrylic over the grooves forces the water down, am i right?

Wish the top was Acetal... Betcha the flow is crazy on the block.

That baby will glow with some led's on it...:slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber:

I see the same tihng.

It does look relatively restrictive tho.

Why is that so? Maybe I'm just seeing things, but it appears that most of the XSPC products have a pretty decent flow.

Cant see the other side, does that allow for SLI?

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Originally Posted by Zaskar

Cant see the other side, does that allow for SLI?

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Yes there are holes in the copper part of the block. View the pdf for more info concerning that.

Glad to see the extra cooling emphasis in the GPU area, that should really help, nice!

I decided to bite. I'll have some high res images and some results in a few days.

Did anyone try the Razor for the 8800? They were a good 10% cheaper than their EK rival over here and I can't find any reviews on them.

Lots of fins= lots of surface area, should perform very well :yepp:

thats looking really nice..glad to see such thought being put in XSPC products lately:yepp:

XSPC = LED lighted Blocks...

i hope they do clean taps for the barbs. 1 of my xspc ddc top inlet had slight angle to it, nothing that a nice o-ring and tightening properly doesn't take care of...

Looks good, I wonder how channels compare to pins for cooling the gpu. It would be very interesting to see both thermal and restriction comparisons. I agree it looks like it would provide less restriction than a pin design.

Also How thick is the block, i.e. is it a single slot solution or will it take up 2. I personally would like to see more single slot solutions, I don't like giving up limited expansion slots to a card cooler. Granted there are not that many cards I need in addition to video and a sound card, but it would be nice to have the option to add an additional raid controller or other I/O cards. Really I think we are due to have the standard ATX MB redesigned given that almost every video card takes up two slots and the SLI/Crossfire approach of multiple GPU's.

They are on XSPC site now :)

XSPC Razor 9600GT
http://www.xspc.biz/razor9600gtbig.jpg

http://www.xspc.biz/photo/razor9600gt/3.jpg


XSPC Razor 9800GTX
http://www.xspc.biz/razor9800gtxbig.jpg

http://www.xspc.biz/photo/razor9800gtx/3.jpg


Those blocks look very very good and innovative as well :)
/Thomas

blue colored acrylic? that looks damn nice!!:shocked::shocked:

The blue acrylic is a UV blue also, it's really pretty highly UV sensetive too.

Even the flash on my camera was activating the UV in the bay reservoir...pretty cool.
http://www.martinsliquidlab.com/img/...eservoir-1.jpg

Looking at those pictures raises a questions in my mind. What is to stop the fluid from simply flowing from one barb to the other? There is no seal in the middle section between the channels. There even appears to be a small gap between the acrylic and copper in those pictures.

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Looking at those pictures raises a questions in my mind. What is to stop the fluid from simply flowing from one barb to the other? There is no seal in the middle section between the channels. There even appears to be a small gap between the acrylic and copper in those pictures.

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Good observation, but it's really no different than many other full coverage blocks unless they have a seal that wraps around internally as well. Danger Den is the only one I've seen do that, so you'll get some internal leaking on the others as well.

But I wouldn't worry about it, internal leaks usually don't amount to much unless the block is fairly restrictive if sealed up completely. It usually means less pressure drop which means your pump produces more flow which mitigates the issue pretty well. I've done a couple of experiments around sealing different blocks up completely and most don't net any measureable gains.

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Originally Posted by Martinm210

The blue acrylic is a UV blue also, it's really pretty highly UV sensetive too.

Even the flash on my camera was activating the UV in the bay reservoir...pretty cool.
http://www.martinsliquidlab.com/img/...eservoir-1.jpg

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Uuuhh, nice picture :)
It's really pretty blue there!

You'll start pressure testing reservoirs as well now?
/Thomas

I think he pressure tests just about anything that allows water flowing through it XD

Theres too much variation from the first and final.

The first looks like its glass bleeded, and the second it looks like a slab of copper.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...9800-clear.jpg

http://www.xspc.biz/razor9800gtxbig.jpg

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Originally Posted by NaeKuh

Theres too much variation from the first and final.

The first looks like its glass bleeded, and the second it looks like a slab of copper.

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Isn't that just the variation in the pictures? Light etc.
The picture of the clear seems in lower quality than the blue?
/Thomas

looks nearly the same to me. Just different color plexy.

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Uuuhh, nice picture :)
It's really pretty blue there!

You'll start pressure testing reservoirs as well now?
/Thomas

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You bet!...lol!

Actually I'm trying to figure out a way to measure bleeding performance too.

I'm a testing addict...I need serious help...:D

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Isn't that just the variation in the pictures? Light etc.
The picture of the clear seems in lower quality than the blue?
/Thomas

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Yeah, they are different pictures, one is clear the other blue UV acrylic. You can also catch the screws are tightened and turned differently between the two. As far as the copper color, it's probably just the white balance adjustment used in processing the photo, but it could be different finishing I suppose. All of the XSPC blocks I've seen are just machine finished though I thought.

I received the block already from Jab-Tech, damn they're the fastest retailer I've ever experienced. The block looks amazing, it's very smooth and machined very well. Initial impressions are great. I'll post some pictures later after the hockey game.

is this block better than EKs?

thats 1 sexy block..:eek: and the quality looks really nice too..

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Yeah, they are different pictures, one is clear the other blue UV acrylic. You can also catch the screws are tightened and turned differently between the two. As far as the copper color, it's probably just the white balance adjustment used in processing the photo, but it could be different finishing I suppose. All of the XSPC blocks I've seen are just machine finished though I thought.

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Hehe, I'm fully aware of one being clear and one UV blue :)
I just meant variation in the way and the conditions the pictures have been taken under...
/Thomas

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Good observation, but it's really no different than many other full coverage blocks unless they have a seal that wraps around internally as well. Danger Den is the only one I've seen do that, so you'll get some internal leaking on the others as well.

But I wouldn't worry about it, internal leaks usually don't amount to much unless the block is fairly restrictive if sealed up completely. It usually means less pressure drop which means your pump produces more flow which mitigates the issue pretty well. I've done a couple of experiments around sealing different blocks up completely and most don't net any measureable gains.

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Always late in the party as usual :p:

Keep in mind that water will take the path of least resistance so most of it will flow on the expected path with probably less than 5% leaking to the other barb. 2 surfaces which is mated together offer a very tiny gap (less than the TC scandal).

anyway, It's a great looking block and I'm tempted to buy one. However, I'm currently eyeing a GTX 280 or GTX 260 card (with black PCB this time for to match my inside look) so I'll wait.

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I'm peeved.

I bought two of these blocks.

Both leaked.

XSPC states that they're ditching the acrylic tops for their newer blocks, and will be using Delrin. Unfortunately, no Delrin for these 9800 Raxors.

The acrylic is bad, thin, and leaks. One of the acrylic threads broke right off one of them, and on the other, one of the screw holes had a small crack which leaked.

In defense of XSPC, they have said that they plan on shipping me two new cover plates. Hope they do soon. (Wish they were Delrin though.).

I've used pretty much an entire tube of silicon on these trying to get them to stop leaking, but after 2-3 hours of flow, there is always a drip forming at one of the barbs. I've tried pipe dope, silicon, changed the barbs a few times, changed the tubing and clamps... always drips.

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Drips aside... I'm running a loop with two of these together in SLI, with and D-Tek Fusion V2, through a PA 120.3. The flow is good.. very good. One of the GPU stress tests I ran on air which had me at 80C, is now showing me at 40C. I'm impressed.

Too bad they leak... as well as they perform, I have no confidence in them with the bunk acrylic tops.

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Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I'm peeved.

I bought two of these blocks.

Both leaked.

XSPC states that they're ditching the acrylic tops for their newer blocks, and will be using Delrin. Unfortunately, no Delrin for these 9800 Raxors.

The acrylic is bad, thin, and leaks. One of the acrylic threads broke right off one of them, and on the other, one of the screw holes had a small crack which leaked.

In defense of XSPC, they have said that they plan on shipping me two new cover plates. Hope they do soon. (Wish they were Delrin though.).

I've used pretty much an entire tube of silicon on these trying to get them to stop leaking, but after 2-3 hours of flow, there is always a drip forming at one of the barbs. I've tried pipe dope, silicon, changed the barbs a few times, changed the tubing and clamps... always drips.

:(



Drips aside... I'm running a loop with two of these together in SLI, with and D-Tek Fusion V2, through a PA 120.3. The flow is good.. very good. One of the GPU stress tests I ran on air which had me at 80C, is now showing me at 40C. I'm impressed.

Too bad they leak... as well as they perform, I have no confidence in them with the bunk acrylic tops.

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Too bad on such a nice looking block :eh:

I finally installed mine on my 9800gtx and after it was installed my video card didn't work. I thought I installed it perfectly and the contact with each component was perfect. We will see with my new 9800gtx that I have coming if it's a problem again. I didn't have any issues with the top or leaking though, I actually thought everything installed just great. I checked my O-ring prior to installation to make sure it was installed correctly, and it was just fine. As long as this next 9800gtx doesn't die then my satisfaction with this XSPC block will be high.

thats gonna be quite restrictive, no?!

Well, I'm new to watercooling, but as I have mentioned, I have two of these in SLI, *plus* the Fuzion V2, all in one loop. The flow is still very strong.. not restrictive.

Blue, I had a problem with one of my 9800 not booting as well. I thought I borked it... After all was said and done, I think it turned out that it wasn't quite seated properly in the PCI slot (I also read some other thread about a similar issue). I also loosened the copper block a little.

Hope all works out well for you.

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Well, I'm new to watercooling, but as I have mentioned, I have two of these in SLI, *plus* the Fuzion V2, all in one loop. The flow is still very strong.. not restrictive.

Blue, I had a problem with one of my 9800 not booting as well. I thought I borked it... After all was said and done, I think it turned out that it wasn't quite seated properly in the PCI slot (I also read some other thread about a similar issue). I also loosened the copper block a little.

Hope all works out well for you.

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I tried everything to get it to work again. I like to think of myself as a hardware reviver, I rarely ever see any permanently dead equipment. I tested it on the air cooler with 3 different motherboards, 2 different psu's, I reseated it many many times initially. I really think I did everything I could. Rarely does my hardware ever die, and that's why I was surprised to see it fail with almost nothing done to it. Hard to say what really happened, it looked perfect.