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Famous Hans De Vries (www.chip-architect.com) has posted picture of AMD's new Istanbul core over the Aceshardware forum (www.aceshardware.com)
Here's what Hans has to say:
http://www.chip-architect.com/news/A...e_Istanbul.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Hans De Vries
I completely agree with Hans on this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans De Vries
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Originally Posted by Hans De Vries
What's actually shocking is the bad L2 density/design overhead.
Total L2 here would already = "3" cores.
Rounding up the L3 to 8MB would be nice, too. ;)
The L2 cell density in Shanghai is on par with the Nehalem's one.Quote:
What's actually shocking is the bad L2 density/design overhead.
The odd thing here is that AMD is reusing that L2 design for the L3 cells, while Intel will be using brand new denser L3 cells for Nehalem (~50%).
if you take in to account fact that Barcelona is 283mm^2, and that Istanbul is 297mm^2,it's obvious that's important for AMD to keep die under 300mm^2. With that in mind I would expect more cores and more cache with 32nm tech.Quote:
Originally Posted by fellix_bg
Istanbul should be okay @300mm^2. It doesn't need particularly high clocks either, even when compared to Dunnington's top bin.
Isn't it shown that L2's impact is minimal and size increase is a diminishing return? They need to make L2 faster not bigger. By then, they could use the same tactic as Nehalem, and just have 256 per core.
Maxing out at 2.4Ghz, 115W?
historically speaking AMD's Transistors are slightly larger than Intel's for any given process (which is both a good and a bad thing) So their SRAM cells being larger isn't a surprise to anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
Has no one realized that "picture" is an artistic impression? Hans merely photochopped a Shanghai to have 6 cores...the layout and cache sizes are purely how he sees it playing out. Zero reality here for all we know.
AMD comming back..
AMD don't have the R&D or capital investment to "come back" now, Intel have won.
I was going to ask about that, thanks for clarification.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4X_FTL
It's "ARTIST IMPRESSION", then.
Yes I hope so.Quote:
Originally Posted by 865pe
Yes indeed, and this time it's intel that will end up in the intensive care unit! :D:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by 865pe
Now, now :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
I'll take 4! Honestly, looks good to me, 'artist impression' or not.
this is instanbul chip photo
that means the first parts are ready...
Yeah... if only there would be an aircooler capable of keeping a 700 mm2 AMD chip from overheating. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
And they probably need to do 2 real cores against 2 of Nehalem's threads to keep up anyway... :shrug:
anyway, two cores of K10.5 will be faster than 1 Nehalem core with HT :)
thus six-core K10.5 will be competitive enough with quad-core nehalem with HT
AMD will never be back, the war is over. AMD is a budget cpu manufacturer like they were before the Athlon days, except now they are losing half a billion dollars a quarter.Quote:
Originally Posted by 865pe
Design wise, I'm sure AMD can keep going, but money is definitely a factor. Now just have to wait for some private equity fund from China or Middle East to fund the company, and then we'll see US gov't intervene and find US private investors for AMD.
Perhaps it's wishful thinking, but I hope it happens.
Seeing how slow my Firefox is, I don't. Single threaded performance is more important IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
Damn, why the hatred towards AMD have they bothered you that much that you have to be so negative about them :DQuote:
Originally Posted by shiznit93
I hope things take a turn for the good in the case of AMD a little competition is never a bad thing.
For a second I seen 5 cores and had a WTF moment lol.
This xmas season will be an interesting one for sure
I see 5 cores as well. I doubt the 0 core will be working as 0 has no value. (kidding)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmer411
BTW , this is how I see AMD going down the tubes in the near future.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=11758
And guess who the former CEO was for Nextel?
ARTIST RENDER.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by MAS
Whoever is familiar with Mr. De Vries work knows how insightful he is when it comes to new, yet to be released CPU's. This is "artistic impression", but it's not a drawing of some kid, but the man who really knows why he has drawn this picture in the way he did. This is the most logical way that Istanbul die can look.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawne32
dude this is server CPU!Quote:
Originally Posted by m^2
all i see is a title saying REAL PICTURE and then a picture posted saying NOT REAL. wth.
Well if you consider 80% of Intel's desktop offering, they're also budget CPU manufacturer!Quote:
Originally Posted by shiznit93
and by no means AMD isn't loosing half a billion $ per quorter!
Now please can we get some serious comment on this forum, or just childish faboyism?!
Seeing that you're from Netherlands I can understand that English isn't your native language, but dude, WHERE IN THE WORLD you've read in title "real picture"?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by biohead
I hope AMD can make a miracle comeback!!!!!!! go AMD!!!!!!!
AMD has a good opportunity to come back. Hopefully it will be able to compete with next Intel generation CPUs.
I appreciate your insight on how drawings work, but just because someone paints a picture doesnt mean the chips are ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
the part where it says CHIP DIE PICTUREQuote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
and then when you open the thread it says ARTIST IMPRESSION :rolleyes:
I will quote that for the truth :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Spawne32
I was about to say that too. Both ways.Quote:
Now please can we get some serious comment on this forum, or just childish faboyism?!
for all intel fanboys in the house, amd coming back is a GOOD THING. That means intel will continue their drive for better products, and prices will stay low, so anyone that's saying intel's already won is just ruining the thread because that means higher prices for everyone and whole lot less innovation
It seems like the thread is missing the point of this artistic rendition... this is the key point here, in terms of competitive performance. And why he created the artistic rendition... because of this very fact. Core vs Core, amd's current architecture looks to be outmatched by nehalem, in terms of raw power, ipc etc... but it has an advantage of size, and if amd exploit it, it could even the playing field.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
Spawne32, STaRGaZeR read again title of this thread, and please inform me when you find me writing that chip is ready! :rolleyes:
makes you wonder about the potential price difference between amd's and intel's future cpus :X.
Hope both companies manage to bring out competitive products :) Would be happy to buy my first AMD rig sometime next year :)
oh yes kinda like How that stupid tiny company called Microsoft was absolutely crushed out of existence by IBM :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
R&D Capital doesn't equal better. More Clever engineers without bad management equals better
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Originally Posted by villa1n
1. This artistic rendition comes from the man who know thing or two about CPU's and I tought that someone here would be interested to see this
2. I never wrote it's real, taped out, die
3. This thread isn't about Istanbul performance
4. This thread especially isn’t about Nehalem performance
5. This thread isn't about power of AMD cores vs. Intel cores
6. This thread is about CPU that should give AMD some wind in the back next summer
7. And this thread is about physical appearance of that chip from POV of one of highly regarded man here on the Net.
What's beyond me is this amazing urge of Intel fanboys to jump over AMD in any thread here in news section, no matter what's all about! Guys why are you doing this!??!
Who's saying the chip is ready? Relax, you're very excited about an ARTIST IMPRESSION. You'll have time to get excited when Instambul becomes real, 2010 or so ;) :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
another interesting thread derailing to worthless bs :( getting common
You could tell this from the start. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
This changes some things.;)
I don't think you read what i had said very carefully, you seem to have taken things that were not there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
I was pointing out, that people are missing the point of what hans is trying to show. That 2 amd cores can fit in the same space as a single nehalem core.... thus possibly giving amd a chance to create a chip that could match performance. I m not sure where you got 7 points from what i was saying.. especially the fanboyism part, did you just look at my sig, and read the word nehalem and make a judgement because what i was saying. If anything out side of neutral obvious could be taken as pro amd... :shrug:
And this thread has implicit statements made by hans regarding performance. Not numbers per se, but the fact 2 cores 2 threads, vs 1 core 2 threads. Implicit. not blatant.
that's a pretty ugly 'artist impression' due to the layout... amd will probably starve using that layout.
Whether or not AMD will die will be decided in the stock market, not in in the overclocking market.Quote:
Originally Posted by shiznit93
Not to mention, even in our domain, AMD wont be officially dead until Nehalem comes out, so save your eulogies for another time.
Perkam
not too soon to start rehearsal though right? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by perkam
History, if it turns out the way Intel fanboys do, will not be kind to their wallets. Let me assure you of that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawne32
Perkam
lol oh i know that trust me, thats why im hoping for an AMD comeback, but you have to admire the way at which hector is destroying the company though, i dont think i could even match that kind of destruction even if i tried.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
And you think an Intel chip will be better? Get real.Quote:
Originally Posted by gallardo
n00b. This comment deserves nothing more.Quote:
Originally Posted by shiznit93
Try restarting your computer. It works wonders.Quote:
Originally Posted by m^2
yes, a DRAWN PICTURE. Get over it already. It was your misinterpretation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawne32
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/i...-monger2-1.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Spawne32
I agree, amd does need Tony Stark as CEO.
Tony Stark is officially the coolest person ever in my book. After seeing that movie, I wanted to be him. I mean seriously, how cool is that ARC reactor? :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by villa1n
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Originally Posted by Nedjo
You're right... Looking at AMD's 2007 financials, they are actually losing a little shy of $900 million a quarter. Not the meager half billion the original poster pointed out. Thanks for the clarification :rofl:
Although, admittedly, AMD will probably only lose $1 billion this year. An optimist would point out that this is less than 1/3rd of the loss AMD suffered last year. The pessimist would point out that this is still 1/6th of their revenue.
cool, seems amd is doing SOMETHING.taps fingers waiting for advanced metallurgical processes. some one wake me when they see some HF02 and such :)
I though the 6 core wasnt native,hmm guess I have been out of the loop a while.
schhhweeeetttt :D
but... who needs 6 cores? :lol:
I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Heck the more cores, the easier my job
:yepp::clap::clap::clap::yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
seconded :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Tho, 8 cores sounds better still :p: