anybody know if they are available now? i just spoke with a ocz sales rep and he told me to call back tue. or wed. next week and they should have one for me... but I CANT WAIT :(
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anybody know if they are available now? i just spoke with a ocz sales rep and he told me to call back tue. or wed. next week and they should have one for me... but I CANT WAIT :(
Do you have any idea of what your getting inside the case? (parts wise) What is the total price going to be?
from what i understand pretty much everything that was reviewed, neoprene gaskets, and heating element to prevent condensation on the back of the mobo... cost i was told will be around 500-550. i can build myself one for about that price (i have hvac experience w/ all the tools except for the acetylene torch)... but why build one if i can have one pre made for me?Quote:
Originally Posted by runmc
they said they have about 200 or so in stock but are doing some qc testing still. if they dont have one for me by tuesday... i dont know what then, probably im going to bother them until they sell me one anyways.
pic of innards
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/132...ler/index.html
Ew at the cost. After seeing the insides, its far from worth that sadly. :(
Ask for some internal pictures before you pay.
im going to inquire about their return policy on this unit before i purchase.Quote:
Originally Posted by n00b 0f l337
Supposedly there will be some test results in the next few days. I'd be patient, chances are you've already waited months :up:
the only thing i dont like in the pic is the white insulation wrap... which would be immediately replaced, along with the fan on the condenser.
That white "insulation" is actually packing foam and is not intended as insulation nor will it perform as insulation. It might have been put there to prevent rubbing against the case if there was a clearance problem with the compact size and shipping movement.
Lets all hold our lighters up, it is time :rocker:
doesnt that side of the compressor get really hot?Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Discharge line will get hot, suction line cold. You dont want insulation on the discharge line.
From what iv read those things arent supposed to perform well on quads and other high wattage cpus.
Nor at overclocks many people see out of dual cores :(
not looking good for them already :(Quote:
Originally Posted by n00b 0f l337
This is what I was told this afternoon. Goodluck with both units, want to see 5GHz :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
$500 - $550? No.
$299 direct from OCZ +$35 S/H anywhere in the US... watch www.ocztechnology.com.
When the order page is up....you can order :)
I have one here now. I DO NOT have a fluke or anything to put down on the IHS for temps, I only have what the unit tells me on the LCD.
-50C at 4.5GHz on E6850 ES with 1.75V.
DFI LP UT P35 T2R reads -48C in bios, which I know is obviously not true. The bios allows adjustment up and down of readout, so I adjusted to +12 which quite often is the difference I see between bios and Coretemp on air. This results in -36C in bios
Sorry for nothing concrete, but that is the best I can give with the tools I have so far.
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/st...yoz/cryoz1.jpg
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/st...yoz/cryoz3.jpg
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/st...yoz/cryoz4.jpg
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/st...yoz/cryoz5.jpg
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/st...yoz/cryoz6.jpg
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/st...yoz/cryoz7.jpg
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/st...erpi_11329.jpg
500 was the rep told me on the phone. :(
called
408-733-8400
I will have my initial Cryo-z thread up tomorrow, I will start off with an E8400 and move onto the 9850BE if it will allow me the pleasure.
I have a review unit here as well.
$299 a piece plus 35 dollars shipping and handling, they will go on sale when the web page is available on www.ocztechnology.com
Whomever it was...was not informed... I just gave you exactly what it is going to be.
I was assured it would not change, but like anything in this world...no way for me to be eleventy billion percent sure. I am 99.9% sure that it will be up for sale at the price I posted.
EDIT: Great Fugger...you have the tools to show IHS temps, etc which I do not. Also, no 45nm here either. I will be putting my QX6850 ES under it as well, though.
well, i hope it turns out well. ive decided on this in leiu of a q9550...
(jealous)
who should i ask for for correct information then? i feel as if i was just blow off now after what you guys told me... :(
RyderOCZ or Tony. They work for OCZ.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenEffect
i can ask for tony... but seriously...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashraf
*ring*
hi, may i please speak with RyderOCZ?
:p:
*edit*
this entire forum is 100000000000000000000x than any tech support or customer service...
Ryder: I'll take a tentity billion percent sure from you and be happy with it!:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
Unit looks nice and I'm sure will be a good seller at that price.
Dave the Phase change expert..:rofl:
Tony and I work from home...you will not ring and get either of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenEffect
Who do you need to ask? I just posted everything you need to know... are you doubting what I posted? ;)
I IM'd my boss (VP) and asked him what the price is....there it is. Fugger also posted the same info as I did, because he talked to my boss :D
There will be an automated online order form up on www.ocztechnology.com to order.
well, since you are here and the info i got from calling in was obviously incorrect... does it come with a heating element for the back of the mobo?Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
see why i want to talk to someone over there who knows what is going on? :(
(not to say that you dont, its just that the answer is instantanious on the phone)
I'm really interested to see how this cools a quad, that's going to be the deciding factor for me.:up:
Come on....you can't give me more than 20 minutes to find the answer for you? :(
Not sure why the urgency of an instant answer, you can't even buy it yet because it is not on the site for sale, it may be a week before the site is up.
When I get the info, I will post it.
Thank you.
don't use a heating element, insulate your mobo...
why do you want to add heat to something your trying to cool? Insulation works perfectly fine, there are good stickies here on how to do it properly
Yes the heating element is included.
Thank you.
Damn guys give Ryder a break. I haven't see this posted on any other site, so I think its nice of them to give us a heads up.
This thread is going to be locked up faster than a whore on MLK if you guys keep it up.
So, how long do I have to hit F5 for to order? :p:
sorry, i have a bad habit of wanting things NOW. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
the urgency of an instant answer is as follows.
what would take me a 20 min in a phone call could result all day on the forum, and since i waste my time at work (well, i shouldnt say waste... my job sucks and i do everything that i can to avoid working) speedy response is preferred... plus if the guy is good, i can ask for him again when it comes to puchase time (i would like to verify my order via phone after it is placed... not that i dont trust anyone, its that im poor and have to make sure exactly where my money is going)
no offense or anything, its just that i find talking to someone on the phone is a bit more efficient than my poor typing and spelling skills.
*see took me like an hour to put this up because of my retarded job... i handle... THE MAIL*
Or was planning on ordering a few and adding a nice mark-up and reselling them before the word got out...........Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
In any instance ,seems like you got the scoop from the horses mouth....That a great price ....
:shocked: :rofl: :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by wdrzal
Looks very promising so far, thanks for the heads up. I wouldn't mind trying one out to compare against my aging Chilly1.
Fugger,
Please please please also test it on a quad chip like an X3350 Xeon or something in that area.
Thanks
had me LOLing for a bit :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
more like ROFL :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam__
This is my first boot with the quad.
CPU-z is correct, 1.60V set in bios.
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/1st_boot_quad.jpg
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/quad_evap.jpg
lapped? *curious*Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
either way, im sold.
What about full load temps?
Thanks for posting! I'm going to order one.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
Would order If I didnt have my cascade and single stage under way
it's a great dealQuote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
i am surprised you guys didn't add a bit more buffer
these would probably still sell really well even at $399 i'm sure
:up: wish you guys luck
if this takes off hopefully you'll have some cascades for sale for sub 1K heheh :D
Last one for me tonight...almost 2am, bed time.
CPU is not lapped.
Full load temps are here, as best I can give them to you. Voltage set in bios is 1.500V for all these.
Core's 0/2 got warmer than the other 2. Upon removal of the Evap, I did have too much paste on the CPU and it spilled over to one side. Big plus... no water though :D
I will re-mount tomorrow and hit it some more to either confirm or refute these temps.
EDIT: Ambient temp in the room is 67F / 20C
See ya guys :)
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/4200_quadprime_temps.jpg
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/quad_evap2.jpg
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/3d06_4300_cpu.jpg
Nice to see this finally coming to fruition.
I remember what was it, 3 years ago at the first Showdown lan when you guys had the demo unit.
If I had a dollar for every spam post in this thread I'd have enough money to buy a couple of pints. Some of you have no respect for the the thread starters at all. We don't care if you "lol'ed"
Nice to see the Cryo-Z nearly ready Ryder.
If your motherboard reads negative temps, it'd be nice to see what speedfan says about the temps. I don't trust core temp as far as I can throw it (with sub zero temps).
How the hell you make any money from selling them so cheap I have no idea.
Interesting that T1 reads the same between your loaded and unloaded pictures, and 5mins under load isn't a true load test. At least an hour @ full load when you get the time would be good.
Nice work, they look very tidy. Have a drink on me and give Tony a pat on the back.
HI Ryder, is it possible to get 230v version of it? if yes how much shipping to europe... this could sell pretty well if priced 299euros :P that is like 450 dollars :/
if not yet avaible... ASAP make it... im not gonna pay 700 euros for vapochill... 1050 ~ dollars :S
Looking good :)
Ryder you might wanna try CPU temp (not core) in Speedfan, seems to be one of the very few progs that can actually read subzero rather correct. Coretemp etc always stays + zero here.
For those asking about 230V versions...sorry 115V only, there will be NO shipments to 230V regions, you have to have a US shipping address.
Now if you get a friend to buy one and you ship it to EU then be warned you probably will not have warranty.
Shipping phase units is real hard to do, especially oversea's, this is why we decided USA/Canada only.
We have had these units ready a good while now, we had to wait for paperwork etc to complete before they could enter the retail channel. As mentioned before you have to watch the OCZ site to see when units come available. As units are tested the passed units should enter the system in batches of 10, this may happen monthly so keep an eye out ;)
Regards Ryder benching...keep in mind this is his first attempt with a phase unit and he is learning all the while, Eric will be offering support on the OCZ forum for those who need it in our dedicated cooling section.
I have a smilar spec unit here and hit 4.66GHZ with a quad 6850 and the cpu remained below freezing even on full load, so there is hope ;)
Is temp1 being measured at the Evap or somewhere else?
Seeing -49C (Celsius I suppose) as Temp1 and a Coretemp of 4 and 15C, makes me either think Coretemp displays the wrong values, because the temp is subzero or Temp1 is not the evap temp.
Good job OCZ. I think you guys easily could have put these up for at least $399 and still sold a ton. $299 is a steal. I'm just wondering what the noise level is. Can this compare to high level water in terms of noise?
-49C is the EVAP temp on the LCD. Coretemp does not read subzero. The Dual Cores I used displayed either 6C or 10C all the time, never moved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr3ak
I will look into speedfan.
Will this be part of steady production or it's just a limited time thing?
Software programs cannot read the correct temperature as the internal register only works above 0C.
The fact you showed coretemp on your screenshots confused me a little.
Thanks for making that clear.
please stick to the same voltage on no load and then on load so we can accurately compare temps side by side.
thanks
^+1
Looking good guys but please show idle and load temps at the same settings - P95 Small FFT is perfect as long as he load is above 30minutes at least.
i.e. 1.5v 4200 QX6850, would be near 240W full load.
Long post guys :)
Hopefully this is what you want....no reboots, all done with what you see in bios in the first screenshots:
Ambient:
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/ambient.jpg
Bios:
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/voltages.jpg
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/cpuspeed.jpg
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/biostemp.jpg
EVAP temp while in the bios/no load:
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/evaptemp.jpg
Booted into Windows - No Load:
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/4200_noload_1500v.jpg
38mins - Quad Prime Small FFT's:
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/4200_...500v_38min.jpg
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/38min_full_load.jpg
EVAP at the end of 38min:
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/evap_after_38min.jpg
So, after remounting this morning, I can say that my mount last night was terrible. After 5min I had 2 cores showing 15C in Coretemp. Now after a correct mount, Coretemp never moved after 38 minutes of Quad Prime Small FFT's :).
The unit is easy to use, my insulation (for benching) is fairly minimal. Nothing in the socket, armaflex under the board and insulation around the socket only.
Oh yea...here is 3D06..I forgot GPU-z though :doh:
Card clocks are 895/1286.
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/3d06_4200_14062.jpg
Very very nice temperatures for that price.
Damn, I have to move to the US :D
Regarding Speedfan... I installed it, started it up and while scanning, it shutdown the board (as in click.. Off... do not pass go) so that is why you do not see it here.
I will put an air cooler on possibly and play with it to see if I can get it working...if I do, I will be back with the Cryo-z hooked up.
I can only make the assumption that temps are somewhere below 4C on the cores. Many of you know far more about the Delta between Evap and core, so maybe you can tell me what they should be approx :D
uh, is it just me, or is that saying that your idle and load temps are the same in windows, according to coretemp. i'd suggest a program that isn't broken, because there's really no point of those screenshots otherwise ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
shhhh i smell vdroop....
Ryder. If I remember correctly you are using a DFI board. If it has the smart guardian tool it will read negative temps but it starts out being 255C = -1C, 254C = -2C and so on.
@Ryder sold another unit!
Can you just fill us in what was the mistake you made on the 1st installation so new comers to phase cooling won't do the same thing?
Bad mounts are just like air heatsinks or water blocks. They might be un even or not enough pressure.
didn't he already state he used too much TIM?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
edit: nvm, that was some other thread... and not Ryder
The screenshots are very useful as it shows 1) the single-stage isn't crashing due to load 2) the CPU is staying below 0 C. Core temp will give all sorts of dicked up temps right until you hit ~5C or so. The fact that it is holding that chip at 4200MHz is pretty good, now we need to see some results where it starts crashing :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
will realtemp read negative temps?
Ozzi...how have you been? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
Yep, I know...but if you read my post from last night...I had 2 cores that went to 15C in Coretemp within 5 minutes, so I have a definite improvment here. I also said that since I am no phase guru...I was hoping that some of them would step in and give a good estimate, based on EVAP and what is considered "the norm" for Delta between EVAP and core/IHS.
Smart Guardian...now there is an idea...gotta find the DFI CD :)
According to Coretemp temp seems to be below zero while loaded (as its stil stuck) which would be rather impressive for a quad and 1.44v. Stock Mach II had a hard time keeping me E66 below zero at 1.4v during 10 minutes of OCCT.
Thanks Ryder, thats actually looking very good since the heat load is quite large... two things:
- evap temp. is stuck?
- damn high vdroop there :eek:
RyderOCZ have you tried realtemp?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=179044
the programmer says it should work...
Evap temp is not stuck...went to -50C right after load was off. Also read as high as -40C when I first booted the system (one indication that I had a much better mount). The longer it ran...it got slightly colder as I set things up in bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Vdroop control is enabled...I have not measured it on this board. When I had 1.6V set... it read 1.600V in CPU-z.
On DFI's board you can set the vdroop control ON and OFF. When it's off it wont droop for nothing and when it's on it will give the cpu a break when it's needed...Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Ryder is using it ON so the vDroop is perfectly normal and you will find that the Intel cores loves that for stability and in fact they need it. Differently from AMD's that prefer no droop at all.
Thank Capt. Planet for this one guys :)
Same specs as before...Ambient the same as well.
No Load:
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/noload_sg_4200.jpg
Full Load after 38 mins:
http://www.ryderocz.info/cryoz/full_load_sg_4200.jpg
So, if we work backwards... No load at about -44C and loaded at about -7C.
Guys...loads much higher than this...just isn't stable with 4 cores running. I can boot at 4.5G, but when you start Prime....the board reboots. Could be more than temps...but I watched it go straight to about +11C real quick at 1.58V loaded.
Sounds like around 200W or a bit less :)
that's very very good for a "value" SS cooler costing US$299Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
i'd buy one if you had stock that works at 230V
I should have an E3110 Wolfie in a week or so. I know Fugger is working with E8x00 which is where this unit would really make some nice clocks I think.
I need a better 65nm Dually...seems 4.5 is the best I can get out of what I have here :(
yeah it does depend a lot on what CPU you haveQuote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
my best ever CPU could not bench much past 4.5GHz either however on LN2 it was a 5.5GHz 3D chip :shocked: (E6700)
but another E6850 i had later would bench 4.9GHz on SS i have EEK but there was a FSB wall so i could not get past that even with better cooling lol
judging performance of this unit on CPUs alone is not the best idea however as they differ SOOOOOOOO much
one of my E8500 chips is the hottest EVER CPU ...... no single, dual or quad core CPU was nearly as hot as this CPU......but LN2 is where these hot mothers shine ;) so one customer may have one of these hot chips and OCZ cooler will stuggle and ppl will jump down your throat saying you rigged something....you know how some ppl can get here :rolleyes:
you guys have sent it to review sites i'm sure.....let's hope at least one of those has some proper tools to test these units accurately
Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
Nice results man. Glad it worked for you. So ocz gonna thank me and send me a cryo z to test? :ROTF:
Thanks for the testing Ryder, shows a lot more than we knew before :up:
I'm well aware :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
My main curiosity was, 1.5-1.65v load is where such phase units are wanted more, which is much higher heat load than 1.43v load. 4200 1.43v load is near 200W for a 3000 130W CPU as n0l said.
For 24/7 it'd be a good setting though but for people with Q6600 G0s like mine, who knows - since they bench 42x0 1.53v air just fine.
But MHz is not what matters, that's the CPU limit - the idle and load temps are what matters under the total heat load.
Considering the preice of the unit, the results seem to be very good. Looking forward to Fugger's review.
Too bad you have no intentions of selling it in Europe.
I would like to se some K-Probe temps under idle and load.
Temps on LCD´s have been historicly wrong ALL the time!
hrm... thats what i figured. no way this thing will hold up with a 45nm quad running 1.5v or more.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
In the manual it says:
Max Stable Load-120watts, so holding a quad looks to be difficult, going by the manual.
That.....is.....awesome. Hope i can actually get my hands on one.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
This is a great opportunity for people like me who never really considered moving past liquid cooling to jump right into phase w/o the high price tag. I was hoping to save some cash for an HDTV, but this looks like too good a deal to pass up. 300 + shipping looks nice, especially since vapochills run what, a grand? With what little knowledge I have on the subject, for single stage, this looks promising. :up:
I can't wait to see the entire review and really get a clear picture of this bad boy. I hope its worth it. If its not, I'll just stick w/ liquid cooling.
Hey Ryder,Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
You said "my insulation (for benching) is fairly minimal. Nothing in the socket, armaflex under the board and insulation around the socket only".
Those insulation peaces come with the cryo (armaflex) etc? If not where to buy?
Why do you say your insulation is minimal, did you use all the stuff that came in box and it's still minimal or you didn't use them all?
Another question would be regarding the "optional" heating element that should be installed on the backplate (see manual page 11), what is that about, is it necessary to install that on dry weather?
Ty:up:
the heating element is to help prevent condensation from rusting/shorting out the back of your motherboard... i dont think that it was designed for weather related humidity, but overall humidity... for example washington dc vs los angeles *lived at both* on a normal sunny day will have a difiference of 70% relative humidity due to just the environment and could cause condensation and the possibilty of shorting just by where you live.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
additional pieces of neoprene or insulating materials can be found from various online retailers like frozencpu or crazypc.
im new to phase change as well and am very interested in the unit, im just speaking from experience of living in many different places and being bored enough to watch a glass of water condense.
I already posted this in the other thread but got no official response. There are good implications about it, but I'm just looking for the official word.
1. When they appear on the website (however brief that may be), will there be an option to ship to Canada?
I'm inclined to think 'yes', but I want to confirm. For example, as another use pointed out, although it was said they would be available in North America... in that language, it rarely refers to Mexico (which is in NA last time I checked), and many companies feel that doesn't include Canada either. If not I need to arrange for someone in America to be a ship-to address for me, and I'd like to know whether I need to it now or not.
2. Will it fit upcoming CPU sockets? Mostly I'm thinking towards the nehalem-based architectures. I'm assuming the hold-down plate doesn't fit them, but will it be difficult to mod? Will replacement plates be available? I believe the TDP should be about the same so that's not a concern... just physical dimensions.
@Jor3lBR, heating elements are just more precautions to avoid condensation.
I am a firm believer that heaters are a waste of time, they just add more heat into something you are trying to make as cold as possible. With enough insulation and an air tight seal, condensation is not a problem.
Commercial units supply and recommend using heaters because a lot of buyers are first time phase users and need all the help they can get in the battle against condensation.
@Serra, well done, intelligent questions. (<=== not sarcasm if it sounded that way)
Thanks blank I'm a new comer to phase as well :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by {.bLanK} GoD
What you mean air tight seal?! The pc case has to be completely isolated? :eek:
Sorry the noob questions I will probably have to see more guides but they are all made for industrial type or diy phase....
nope...refers to the evap/enclosure/cpuQuote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
Air tight seal around anything that gets cold enough to condensate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
Condensation happens when moisture in the air we breath, condensates onto a cold surface. Like when you remove a coke can from the fridge.
If you can seal off the cold parts from air, then no moisture can form.
The thickness of your insulation depends on how cold it is, it must be thick enough to stop heat transferring through or condensation will form on the outside of the insulation.
Read some stickies, there are heaps, start with this one.
I really appreciate the post. I've only done liquid cooling and this cooler seems to be my only route into phase for a while. There's huge amounts of humidity down here in New Orleans, so I have to be extremely prepared. High humidity is a way of life.Quote:
Originally Posted by {.bLanK} GoD
Thanks for helping out n00bs such as myself.:up:
nice results with a 300$ cooler, will wait for ryder to post "Cryo-z Up for Sale from tomorrow"
*subscribed*
Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
In the bios, is cpu adjust temp at +10 or did you change it?