Radeon HD 4000 series - new inofficial info

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02-15-2008, 06:47 AM
Der_KHAN

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Radeon HD 4000 series - new inofficial info

german site Hartware.net has postet some specs of the upcoming generation of ATI cards.

they got this info from an anonymous reader so take it with a grain of salt. however it's from images of an "authentic looking presentation".

more here: Google Translate link

4850 and 4870 are still based on the 55nm process. The Memory Interface will stay at 256Bit and the ROPs at 16. The number of Stream Processors will increase by 50% to 480 and the number of Texture Mapping Units will be doubled to 32. when idling the 4870 is supposed to draw less than 10w of power.

the new high end model R700XT, or 4870X2 will be similar to the 3870X2. Still a 2x256MBit Memory Bus but now with GDDR5 Memory. just like the 3870X2 its gonna have lower memory clocks compared to the single 4870 version but it has a whooping 250W TDP much like the rumored spec of the 9800GX2.

Memory sizes are: 4850 512MB, 4870 1GB, 4870x2 2GB ... all GDDR5
02-15-2008, 06:49 AM
MikalCarbine

What's with the 256-bit bus?
02-15-2008, 06:52 AM
Warboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikalCarbine

What's with the 256-bit bus?

what do you mean on the 4870x2?

There isn't that much wrong with ATi staying 256-bit. since its not going to bottleneck the card that much. Plus I don't think these are going to be final specs.
02-15-2008, 07:01 AM
K404

a 4850 please! Specs dont look bad :)
02-15-2008, 07:03 AM
happychappy

Quote:

Originally Posted by K404

a 4850 please! Specs dont look bad :)

Agreed.:)
I feel that while these are most probably faked, the real specs wont be much different
02-15-2008, 07:39 AM
Morais

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikalCarbine

What's with the 256-bit bus?

Cheap and higher is unecessary.
4670 next to 3870 in GFlops?:confused: that sounds too much, but i like it
02-15-2008, 07:46 AM
STaRGaZeR

Even if those specs are not real, I really like:

- 10w idle power consumption, that is just :eek:
- 1GB frame buffer. Most folks only looks at frame rates when they compare a 512MB vs 1024MB, and that's not all. 1024MB is not really needed to maintain a good fps rate, but they are necessary to load the HUGE textures of todays games (let alone upcoming ones) so in certain parts of the levels the card doesn't need to load textures from system memory when you are looking around a wide area.

The 512bit bus is not really needed IMO, R600 and derivatives have shown that it's not needed with this architecture. 512bit+GDDR5 would be totally overkill and innecessary.

And even if its shaders are the same of R600, 480 of them will boost perfomance. But I don't think they are exactly the same though.
02-15-2008, 08:01 AM
eric66

don't know looks real even it isn't these guy knows how to fool ppl :)
02-15-2008, 08:06 AM
dieqast

4870 1TFlop :D
wtg! the ATi-train is coming ;)...
02-15-2008, 08:43 AM
Miwo

FINALLY, more Texture units! About damn time, been at 16 since X800XT......

gonna be amazing if they keep the price down like how the 3850/3870 and 3870x2 are setup now. If it OCs as well as the RV670 with some volts, 1GHz core at those specs look pretty nice :)

if DDR5 speeds pan out to what they are supposed to be, 512bit is a tad unnesseary imo
02-15-2008, 08:59 AM
Cuthalu

Why would there be a X2 model then their architecture already is multicore? Probably fake.
02-15-2008, 09:30 AM
AliG

Because the highend is multicore, the rv770 will be the "performance" card which will probably be the 4870, the dual r700 (whatever it is) card will be the actual "high end" card
02-15-2008, 09:36 AM
Origin_Unknown

release dates? :D
02-15-2008, 09:44 AM
Aleki

wait, draw only 10w of power when idle? that would be incredible if all their information is true
i'm anxious to see what amd has up their sleeves regardless of the specs being accurate or not
02-15-2008, 09:50 AM
Ugly n Grey

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aleki

wait, draw only 10w of power when idle? that would be incredible if all their information is true
i'm anxious to see what amd has up their sleeves regardless of the specs being accurate or not

I've already heard that one, the caveat is that it's technically in standby mode at idle with the IGP taking taking over on the new chipsets. We'll see what it really is on older chipsets when it hits.
02-15-2008, 10:15 AM
Dimitriman

2 Teraflops on one card hummmmm

sounds like it might push Crysis beyond 30fps??

maybe..
02-15-2008, 10:33 AM
Cobalt

Woah there dimiri. Don't get too hopeful there.
02-15-2008, 12:41 PM
[XC] gomeler

Not bad but those GPU frequencies are insanely high.. I hope these cores can hit 1500+MHz at sub-LN2 temps.
02-15-2008, 01:04 PM
ghost101

The mid range cards wont even better a HD3850? Seems weak.
02-15-2008, 01:10 PM
Ugly n Grey

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghost101

The mid range cards wont even better a HD3850? Seems weak.

Since when does a new mid range card beat last gens high end stuff? Does I don't see a 36xx thrashing a 2900xx anywhere do you?

A 3850 is well priced but is the same core as a 3870 after all. Not really a good comparison.
02-15-2008, 01:26 PM
ghost101

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey

Since when does a new mid range card beat last gens high end stuff? Does I don't see a 36xx thrashing a 2900xx anywhere do you?

A 3850 is well priced but is the same core as a 3870 after all. Not really a good comparison.

Considering the 9600gt drops into that spot it does seem weak. I hope these specs are wrong or the SPs on these cards are somehow better. The former is probably closer to the truth.
02-15-2008, 01:39 PM
Kasparz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey

Since when does a new mid range card beat last gens high end stuff? Does I don't see a 36xx thrashing a 2900xx anywhere do you?

A 3850 is well priced but is the same core as a 3870 after all. Not really a good comparison.

3xxx series is just refresh of 2xxx series. It isn't "new" gen card. Neither does 9600GT.
02-15-2008, 02:06 PM
Der_KHAN

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikalCarbine

What's with the 256-bit bus?

like Miwo said, if the GDDR5 memory is clocked so high, then the bandwith will be completely sufficient at 256Bits.

keep in mind that a 256Bit bus clocked at 2000mhz is just as fast as a 512Bit bus at 1000mhz

thats also the reason why the new 8800GTS 512MB has about the same memory bandwidth as the old 8800GTS 640MB. 256Bit @ 1000MHz = 320Bit @ 800MHz. the new one has almost 25% higher clock speeds (970MHz), whereas the old one has a 25% wider bus.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cuthalu

Why would there be a X2 model then their architecture already is multicore? Probably fake.

the 3870 also is multicore. it has 320 parallel stream processors.

the only point of an x2 card is to reduce costs. if you pack all the transistors on one chip you get a really huge die and most likely not very good yiels. the pcb layout would also be more difficult. you'd have to use a large memory bus (i.e. 512bit) and get all those lanes to one spot on the card. that would require more pcb layers. which is more expensive.

so at the moment a two chip solution is the way to go.
02-15-2008, 02:09 PM
metro.cl

what about a SS of the official looking presentation?

Sounds good but i just wont buy into it.
02-15-2008, 02:41 PM
deathman20

Ah why not... fire it up.

The X2 does sound promissing if the drivers hold to be true.
02-15-2008, 02:45 PM
Kasparz

Quote:

Originally Posted by metro.cl

what about a SS of the official looking presentation?

Sounds good but i just wont buy into it.

I've been at Official AMD presentation week ago, and they had no information about R7xx GPU's specifications, not even a theoretical product roadmap.
02-15-2008, 03:06 PM
lior307

Is the 4870 is the R700 ???
When will it be released ??
02-15-2008, 03:26 PM
Zytek_Fan

I want the 4870 X2 :D
02-15-2008, 03:52 PM
Cuthalu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Der_KHAN

the 3870 also is multicore. it has 320 parallel stream processors.

I meant multicore as in VSA-100 or MCM, not traditional gpu-like "multicore". (Btw, the core has a lot of other stuff than just stream processors.)
02-15-2008, 04:12 PM
STaRGaZeR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan

I want the 4870 X2 :D

Trust me, you don't want it if it's another 3870X2. The drivers are utter crap, I've been testing it for a couple of days and all I can recommend if you want fps despite all the other things is to buy a NVIDIA card. Or you can mod a 3870 and have moster clocks for everyday use if you want ATI :D

But seriously, stay away from 3870X2.
02-15-2008, 04:46 PM
saaya

so no shared frame buffer? too bad...
02-15-2008, 04:55 PM
adamsleath

Quote:

so at the moment a two chip solution is the way to go.

...and "they" said it wouldnt happen :)
harhar
despite the usual multi gpu driver prob's a fair few games seem to benfit from crossfireonacard multigpu.

but too exe for me, so 4870 i spose vs wottever nvidia pull out of their hat/s. another mini upgrade from 8800gt...
02-15-2008, 05:13 PM
Craftyman.

Quote:

Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

Trust me, you don't want it if it's another 3870X2. The drivers are utter crap, I've been testing it for a couple of days and all I can recommend if you want fps despite all the other things is to buy a NVIDIA card. Or you can mod a 3870 and have moster clocks for everyday use if you want ATI :D

But seriously, stay away from 3870X2.

I'm sure if they are truly planning on releasing another X2 card that drivers will mature...
02-15-2008, 06:16 PM
STaRGaZeR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craftyman.

I'm sure if they are truly planning on releasing another X2 card that drivers will mature...

Yeah sure, everybody thinked that they would fix the CF drivers when they released the 3870X2. And they did nothing. IF 4870X2 is CF in one card, the problems will still be there.
02-15-2008, 08:21 PM
villa1n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey

I've already heard that one, the caveat is that it's technically in standby mode at idle with the IGP taking taking over on the new chipsets. We'll see what it really is on older chipsets when it hits.

What chipsets would support this feature... seems pretty cool, even if it is the igp taking over:up:
02-15-2008, 10:38 PM
Craftyman.

Quote:

Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

Yeah sure, everybody thinked that they would fix the CF drivers when they released the 3870X2. And they did nothing. IF 4870X2 is CF in one card, the problems will still be there.

Are you saying they're trying to make a non-competitive card? They will fix the drivers. The 3870X2 is how old? barely a month? Give it time, don't just write it off.
02-16-2008, 02:19 AM
Der_KHAN

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cuthalu

I meant multicore as in VSA-100 or MCM, not traditional gpu-like "multicore".

uuh, what? "multicore as in VSA-100" - are you talking about the 2 pixel pipelines it had, or the voodoo5 dualchip card!?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cuthalu

(Btw, the core has a lot of other stuff than just stream processors.)

lol, thx for clearing that up :D
02-16-2008, 02:52 AM
metro.cl

Quote:

Originally Posted by villa1n

What chipsets would support this feature... seems pretty cool, even if it is the igp taking over:up:

AFAIK 780G, 780V, 770, 740 i'm only not sure if 790 has some kind of IGP in it.
02-16-2008, 02:54 AM
largon

HD4870 1GB GDDR5 @ 2200MHz (DDR-4400)
= 140.8 GB/s

+95.5% improvement in throughput compared to HD3870 (DDR-2250 @ 256bit = 72GB/s)
+33.3% improvement in throughput compared to HD2900XT (DDR-1650 @ 512bit = 105.6GB/s)

:nuts:
02-16-2008, 05:02 AM
Der_KHAN

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and almost 40% increase over the 8800Ultra. too good to be true :D

a little comparison to 8800 series memory bandwiths:
02-16-2008, 05:52 AM
whocaresbg

HD 4000 Pricing :

Radeon HD 4870 X2 (2 x RV770) -> частоты 1050/3600 МГц, 1 Гб или 2 Гб GDDR-5, TDP=250 Вт, $499;
Radeon HD 4870 (RV770) -> частоты 1050/4400 МГц, 1 Гб GDDR-5, TDP=150 Вт, $299;
Radeon HD 4850 (RV770) -> частоты 850/3600 МГц, 512 Mб GDDR-5, TDP=120 Вт, $249;
Radeon HD 4670 (RV740) -> частоты 1000/2400 МГц, 512 Mб GDDR-4, TDP=100 Вт, $149;
Radeon HD 4650 (RV740) -> частоты 800/2000 МГц, 256 Mб GDDR-4, TDP=80 Вт, $129;
Radeon HD 4470 (RV710) -> частоты 900/1600 МГц, 256 Mб GDDR-3, TDP=50 Вт, $79;
Radeon HD 4450 (RV710) -> частоты 700/1000 МГц, 128 Mб GDDR-2, TDP=30 Вт, $59.

Source:overclockers.ru
02-16-2008, 05:59 AM
eric66

Radeon HD 4650 (RV740) -> частоты 800/2000 МГц, 256 Mб GDDR-4, TDP=80 Вт, $129;

this one is against 9600gt if rumors are true
02-16-2008, 06:25 AM
STaRGaZeR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craftyman.

Are you saying they're trying to make a non-competitive card? They will fix the drivers. The 3870X2 is how old? barely a month? Give it time, don't just write it off.

The card, when it works flawessly, is a beast. But in almost every game, the drivers suck a$$ with something. In one game is with text corruption, in other is second core not working (basically CF not working) and in others they simply make the game totally unplayable, with half of a single 3870's framerate.

Non-competitive card? The card is competitive, but with the actual drivers, it's a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing PITA to play with it. Fix the drivers? Dude, this is ATI, and CF drivers, I think you should reconsider that claim. They are good in some areas, but when it comes to fix something with the drivers... well, good luck.
02-16-2008, 10:04 AM
HKPolice

Quote:

Originally Posted by whocaresbg

HD 4000 Pricing :

Radeon HD 4870 X2 (2 x RV770) -> частоты 1050/3600 МГц, 1 Гб или 2 Гб GDDR-5, TDP=250 Вт, $499;
Radeon HD 4870 (RV770) -> частоты 1050/4400 МГц, 1 Гб GDDR-5, TDP=150 Вт, $299;
Radeon HD 4850 (RV770) -> частоты 850/3600 МГц, 512 Mб GDDR-5, TDP=120 Вт, $249;
Radeon HD 4670 (RV740) -> частоты 1000/2400 МГц, 512 Mб GDDR-4, TDP=100 Вт, $149;
Radeon HD 4650 (RV740) -> частоты 800/2000 МГц, 256 Mб GDDR-4, TDP=80 Вт, $129;
Radeon HD 4470 (RV710) -> частоты 900/1600 МГц, 256 Mб GDDR-3, TDP=50 Вт, $79;
Radeon HD 4450 (RV710) -> частоты 700/1000 МГц, 128 Mб GDDR-2, TDP=30 Вт, $59.

Source:overclockers.ru

Why would 4870 be $300 and the x2 be only $500? It should be at least 600.
02-16-2008, 10:12 AM
NH|Delph1

Quote:

Originally Posted by whocaresbg

HD 4000 Pricing :

Radeon HD 4870 X2 (2 x RV770) -> частоты 1050/3600 МГц, 1 Гб или 2 Гб GDDR-5, TDP=250 Вт, $499;
Radeon HD 4870 (RV770) -> частоты 1050/4400 МГц, 1 Гб GDDR-5, TDP=150 Вт, $299;
Radeon HD 4850 (RV770) -> частоты 850/3600 МГц, 512 Mб GDDR-5, TDP=120 Вт, $249;
Radeon HD 4670 (RV740) -> частоты 1000/2400 МГц, 512 Mб GDDR-4, TDP=100 Вт, $149;
Radeon HD 4650 (RV740) -> частоты 800/2000 МГц, 256 Mб GDDR-4, TDP=80 Вт, $129;
Radeon HD 4470 (RV710) -> частоты 900/1600 МГц, 256 Mб GDDR-3, TDP=50 Вт, $79;
Radeon HD 4450 (RV710) -> частоты 700/1000 МГц, 128 Mб GDDR-2, TDP=30 Вт, $59.

Source:overclockers.ru

Real source: NordicHardware

And you can't take the prices out of context like that ;)

They are not the MSRP, they are target prices. Just for orientation or how to put it. AMD/ATI wants to keep the cards affordable and the prices are in no way what you should expect the retail prices to be, but from what I know AMD aims to stick below these prices.
But, I mean, we're four months from the launch, it's still a long way to go.

//andreas
02-16-2008, 10:44 AM
Metroid

Quote:

Originally Posted by Der_KHAN

and almost 40% increase over the 8800Ultra. too good to be true :D

a little comparison to 8800 series memory bandwiths:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...4&d=1191621110

Meaningless to say the least, bandwidth does not say much as we can see here.

Metroid.
02-16-2008, 12:19 PM
Swatrecon_

I Want Moar Rops!!!
02-16-2008, 12:54 PM
NH|Delph1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swatrecon_

I Want Moar Rops!!!

There are a couple of things that actually doesn't add up for me in the information hartware.net has posted. One of them being the ROPs. IF RV770 is suppose to have a MCM design and ATI has doubled the amount of TMUs, logically the amount of ROPs should double too.
Rememder, we're four months from the launch ...

//Andreas
02-16-2008, 02:22 PM
Sneil

hmm define inofficial...

sorry couldn't resist:D
02-17-2008, 02:44 AM
madcho

monsterrrrrrs :D
02-17-2008, 03:03 AM
RAW-Raptor22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey

Since when does a new mid range card beat last gens high end stuff? Does I don't see a 36xx thrashing a 2900xx anywhere do you?

A 3850 is well priced but is the same core as a 3870 after all. Not really a good comparison.

OCed 7600GT gave 6800Ultra some competition on lower resolutions.
6600GT creamed the 5900s.
GF Ti4200 killed the GF2MX

It happens a lot. :)
02-17-2008, 04:48 AM
g1raffe

Looks good, wont be released for ages though. :D
02-17-2008, 02:51 PM
Monkeywoman

The ATI Radeon HD 4000 series is slated for late Q2. Information about the high-end RV770 has been leaking onto the web, from here and there, but the exact specifications has remained in the shadows. German hardware site Hartware.net has gotten their hands on what seems to be pretty authentic information. As far as we can tell, it looks believable and matches the rumors going around. We're still far away from the launch and the figures are subject to change. We also have some information on our own to share with you.

If you're into extreme single-core GPUs you may want to stop reading now. ATI's future is value-oriented and if you're longing for that 1 billion transistor megachip, you can stop doing it right now. ATI isn't into that. We should have told you this sooner. ATI is focusing on bang for the buck and if you want more performance you should get a second card, or get the card with two cores.

Considering the flexibility and scaling that CrossFireX offers, we're not exactly saddened by AMD's decision to steer ATI toward focusing more on the price/performance ratio than on raw performance. It is harder to write drivers for a multi-GPU, but when you make sure that you have a good foundation, such as CrossFireX, it might be worth the risk.

The information published elsewhere suggests that ATI will use GDDR5 to a great extent, which surprise us a little. On the other hand, ATI may know something about GDDR5 that we don't (we would be surprised otherwise). RV770 has GDDR5 support, but whether ATI will actually use it remains to be seen. GDDR4 with most of the high-end cards is a highly likely scenario. The frequencies suggested here are actually lower than what good GDDR4 chips are capable of.

Sounds good if its true, but I don't see any major core architectural change from 3000 series, just a lot more stream processors.

source, http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7356.html

I WANT A 4870x2!!!
02-17-2008, 03:00 PM
disruptfam

ooooh should i wait for these i was just about to get a 3870x2
02-17-2008, 04:09 PM
madcho

http://xs322.xs.to/xs322/07504/r700wip34.jpg

i think this is a photoshoped one but it look's great ^^
02-17-2008, 04:21 PM
initialised

LOL @ madcho

but seriously, why not do a four core card with a PCI 2.1 bridge in the middle if you can keep the TDP down to sensible levels (sub 300W) 45nm and below should enable this within a 30cm VGA card. Hell if you run out of PCB real estate you can stack the cores.
02-18-2008, 01:19 AM
Der_KHAN

Quote:

Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

The card, when it works flawessly, is a beast. But in almost every game, the drivers suck a$$ with something.

what was the latest driver you used? just curious if it might have gotten better already with a newer catalyst...
02-18-2008, 01:24 AM
ChaosMinionX

Quote:

Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

Trust me, you don't want it if it's another 3870X2. The drivers are utter crap, I've been testing it for a couple of days and all I can recommend if you want fps despite all the other things is to buy a NVIDIA card. Or you can mod a 3870 and have moster clocks for everyday use if you want ATI :D

But seriously, stay away from 3870X2.

Considering the drivers for the 3870 X2 arent even done... 8.3 might suprise you... I wouldnt count it out totally yet :)

This is on good authority of course that 8.3 will be something to remember ;) It might not be as well, but lets see what quadfire brings to the table :D
02-18-2008, 04:24 AM
eric66

so 8.3 is great driver like that shoot em driver ?
02-18-2008, 05:29 AM
STaRGaZeR

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosMinionX

Considering the drivers for the 3870 X2 arent even done... 8.3 might suprise you... I wouldnt count it out totally yet :)

This is on good authority of course that 8.3 will be something to remember ;) It might not be as well, but lets see what quadfire brings to the table :D

I agree, 8.3 should be something big, bringing CFX support. But I think the basis of how Crossfire works with different games will remain the same (individual profiles, tweaks and such). And that's the problem. When they find the way to enable CF despite the game, configuration and OpenGL/DirectX9/DirectX10, then the X2 cards will literally ROCK. You know, when the game you're playing has a good CF profile, this card is a total beast.

Anyway I can't wait to test a pair of X2 :slobber: :up:
02-18-2008, 06:47 AM
NapalmV5

Quote:

Originally Posted by madcho

http://xs322.xs.to/xs322/07504/r700wip34.jpg

i think this is a photoshoped one but it look's great ^^

the 4 core placement.. pci-e bridge in the middle.. perfect design

whoever made it should be hired by the radeon makers
02-18-2008, 06:51 AM
Hornet331

Quote:

Originally Posted by NapalmV5

the 4 core placement.. pci-e bridge in the middle.. perfect design

whoever made it should be hired by the radeon makers

to give the powerpoint slide crew a kickstart? :rofl: *scnr*
02-18-2008, 07:13 PM
LordEC911

Quote:

Originally Posted by NapalmV5

the 4 core placement.. pci-e bridge in the middle.. perfect design

whoever made it should be hired by the radeon makers

Photochopped.
Forgot if it was made by someone here or at Beyond3d but I definitely saw the original posted.
02-19-2008, 06:53 AM
Nedjo

Quote:

Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

Trust me, you don't want it if it's another 3870X2. The drivers are utter crap, I've been testing it for a couple of days and all I can recommend if you want fps despite all the other things is to buy a NVIDIA card. Or you can mod a 3870 and have moster clocks for everyday use if you want ATI :D

But seriously, stay away from 3870X2.

don't know what's your problem with X2, but the card rocks! It wipes the floor with any nvidia card above 16x12 rez, in any game except highly tweaked TWIMTBP tech demo called "World in Conflict"!
02-19-2008, 08:53 AM
STaRGaZeR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedjo

don't know what's your problem with X2, but the card rocks! It wipes the floor with any nvidia card above 16x12 rez, in any game except highly tweaked TWIMTBP tech demo called "World in Conflict"!

Show me a list of games. I'll tell you the problems you'll face if you purchase the X2 with all of them (if I've played them of course). I will say it again: in some parts of some games, the card totally rocks. The rest is a mixture of decent perfomance, image corruption, extremely low framerates and some other things.

On a side note: have you actually played with it, or you've only read ATI/NVIDIA biased reviews? :rolleyes:

In almost all of the benchmarks included within games (usually the included ones in the reviews) the card performs VERY well. You know why? Because is the part that is going to be reviewed, and is the part in which people like you will base his opinion of the card. You get my point? ;)
02-19-2008, 10:30 AM
BrowncoatGR

I think this is going to be a modular design. GFX cards are already multicore.
02-20-2008, 08:19 AM
NapalmV5

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordEC911

Photochopped.
Forgot if it was made by someone here or at Beyond3d but I definitely saw the original posted.

lol i just kidding..
02-20-2008, 09:34 AM
kromosto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aleki

wait, draw only 10w of power when idle? that would be incredible if all their information is true
i'm anxious to see what amd has up their sleeves regardless of the specs being accurate or not

their idle may mean computer is turned off
02-20-2008, 10:57 AM
Helmore

Quote:

Originally Posted by kromosto

their idle may mean computer is turned off

I think it has to do with hybrid crossfire.....
02-20-2008, 11:20 AM
Kasparz

Quote:

Originally Posted by [cTx] Raptor22

OCed 7600GT gave 6800Ultra some competition on lower resolutions.
6600GT creamed the 5900s.
GF Ti4200 killed the GF2MX

It happens a lot. :)

wait, wait, wait...
7600GT can compete at low res, but at high res, 68Ultra beats hell out the poor 76GT.
6600GT was not that far better than 5950Ultra. Yes, the 5xxx series was worst series from nVidia by large margin, but still, gap was very small from 6600GT and 5950Ultra.
Ti series was not mainstream. GF2MX was low end, GF2Ti middle end. GF4MX420/GF4MX440 SE was low end due to 64bit bus. GF4MX440 was middle end. GF3 Ti was high end, and comparing GF3Ti 500 and GF4 MX440, those was almost on par, even i believe that GF3Ti 500 was faster.
02-20-2008, 11:28 AM
Der_KHAN

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasparz

GF3 Ti was high end, and comparing GF3Ti 500 and GF4 MX440, those was almost on par, even i believe that GF3Ti 500 was faster.

you bet your ass it was!
02-20-2008, 11:42 AM
schnulli

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

Photochopped.
Forgot if it was made by someone here or at Beyond3d but I definitely saw the original posted.

just a reminder: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46800&page=3 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :ROTF: :ROTF: :ROTF: :clap: :clap: :clap:
02-21-2008, 07:39 AM
zlojack

This sort of leak doesn't make much sense to me...

If these specs are for real, they're going to leave the 3870x2 dead in the water..

I mean, by the time they sort the drivers on the 3870x2 for CrossfireX support, then work out the bugs in that... the 4870x2 will be upon us.

So basically, who's going to spend $450+ on a card that's going to be buggy for the next two months, then have a card come out a month after that that totally kicks its butt?

I was going to pick up another 3870x2 im March, but if this is a happening 3 months later... well...
02-21-2008, 12:39 PM
Der_KHAN

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Originally Posted by zlojack

This sort of leak doesn't make much sense to me...

If these specs are for real, they're going to leave the 3870x2 dead in the water..

I mean, by the time they sort the drivers on the 3870x2 for CrossfireX support, then work out the bugs in that... the 4870x2 will be upon us.

So basically, who's going to spend $450+ on a card that's going to be buggy for the next two months, then have a card come out a month after that that totally kicks its butt?

I was going to pick up another 3870x2 im March, but if this is a happening 3 months later... well...

let me pu it in a nutshell: reason = nvidia :D

also the 4870 should be significantly more expensive than the 3870
02-21-2008, 01:09 PM
zlojack

Well, if the MSRP is $499 for the $4870, it's not that much more than the 3870x2.

Even if it's $100-$150 more than the 3870x2, if it doubles the performance? It's worth paying for that...

I guess since they're on a roll they don't want to lose their momentum.

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