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So I bought an 8800gt on Monday, hadn't planned on purchasing it, however, Fry's Electronics had it in stock.
Cut to two days later, and I'm plague with BSODs and memory dumps...Returned it today, they only one they had in stock had been returned for the same issue. And now I'm unsure on what to do, wait for the GTS or just get an 3870.
Anyone else have the same problems as of yet?
nop, it mustve been a faulty product, they are great cards, if you dont get a faulty one. there better than the 3870 in single card setups, you could wait for the GTS or get a nonfaulty GT
For one, disable memory dumps.
Two...sounds like a faulty card. If it does the same thing in another system you can confirm it.
Going great here, even beat my 8800gtx in 3dmark06. ;)
its xfx's shotty workmanship on the 8800gt combined with frys bad treatment in most stores and u have an instantly useless card
got a couple at home
both going great
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Originally Posted by Ethelred
It's a common problem with the first, batch..
Simply get a new one and it will be fine..
that's what some were insinuating but there was just no critical mass that the websites were referring to (re first batch issues....i reckon it's just big BS)
i'm sure we would have had a lot of these kinds of threads from the start :)
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Originally Posted by dinos22
Yeah, Ok, It's BS.. I have 4 of them in two computers... I spent 1 Week trying to get them to work.. Returned them all for batch two and everything is slick..
I suppose I'm just talking out of my ass.. :rofl:
Perhaps you havent used the search function or Googled "8800GT Problem"
It wasn't bad treatment on behalf of Fry's, I know they have some issues, however this was factory sealed as well as in pristine shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
And it was a great card, did 12.2k in 3dmark06...just disappointing that there have been so many problems across the board with them in regards to the memory.
I'll definitely be getting another one. Shortly atleast.
There haven't been "problems across the board" with them. If you want to see memory problems, go back to 2006 and the 7900gtx. ;)
Across the board geographically speaking, not product-wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoudazo
I didn't have to use Google. I talked to people at NVIDIA and BFG directly, they said "Nothing out of the ordinary for returns".Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian MP5T
Then Kyle at HardOCP talked to several OEMs and found out the same, published an article about this rumor.
Go figure.:shrug:
O ya Rollo, like Nv is gonna tell ya they are having issues...:rolleyes:
The seasons don't even change around you Nvidia Focus group folks.....
"Gee, what's the weather gonna be like here in Juno tommorrow... What, sunny and 85 degrees. fabulous, just like today"!!
Well, the 7900gtx had issues as well as the 7900gt, but the 8800gt is fine.
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Originally Posted by Brian MP5T
i have very good industry contacts and i don't need to be a google warrior
Rollo lol as if nvidia would tell you any different directly :p:
i certainly wouldn't take all PR info for granted hehehe
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Originally Posted by dinos22
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :ROTF:
Hmmm.Quote:
Originally Posted by muzz
You have no clue what the nature of my communication with NVIDIA is like, yet you assume you do.
I'd say you're not in a position to comment, and that your comments hold no more weight than me saying "Yeah Muzz, like your dad is going to tell you he banged his secretary!".
Point is I have no way of knowing, and thus no reason to comment.
It is common practice in business to never let the consumer/patron know there is a problem unless it is utterly and uncontrollably out of hand (see Tire Recalls). It is bad business and will affect the user/patrons view of the company. Most issues are handled internally and with luck no consumer/patron will realise it until after the dust has settled. This applies in all areas of business from corporate to restaurant. (See NDA)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
I would trust your source more if you had said "Yeah, I have a friend how works at NVidia say their are some slight issues" rather than "Nvidia Spokesperson (see Damage Control) said there is nothing to see here move along".
That's because you want to believe there are issues, and have no understanding of my relationship with NVIDIA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ethelred
I'm not a consumer, I'm a guy who's signed an NDA and been trusted with confidential information many times over the years. I get information you don't, and I get information you do, before you do.
One guy started this rumor about a "bad batch of 8800GTs" by posting all over the Internet that "A BFG rep told him he's taking 100s of calls about defective GTs, and that people should wait a while to buy them so they can clear out of the channel".
How does that play into your damage control theory? Telling the consumer your products are defective? (not to mention BFG reps posted in reply they had told him no such thing)
Now you say you would be more likely to believe it if I were to say there were defects than that there are not.
Why? What if there are really not defects?:shakes:
BTW- what do you do for a living that you supposedly know how "most issues are handled"? Do you work for "most businesses" or are you just in communication with "most businesses" at a level you would know?
Are you familiar with the terms "anecdotal evidence" and "hasty generalization"? If so, you know why your tire industry example is totally meaningless.
How do you know what "bad business" is? The auto industry issues public recalls all the time, apparently one industry is outside of your corporate to restuarant generalization.
Here's what I think:
I think that if you're a working person, you've worked in a capacity that you would know how such things are handled at less then 5 companies. I also think that all the people you know who could/would tell you about such things is less than 20. I think what you know about how such decisions are made from first hand experience, and even from hearsay, is spit in the ocean of 1000s and 1000s of businesses.
Furthermore, I think that it wouldn't matter if you really did know how "most businesses" would react - the key factor here is that unless you work at NVIDIA or one of it's OEMs, you can't say for sure whether the info they gave me is true or not.:cool:
Not at all. I know that the world we live in is not a perfect world I would rather have a company come forth and say that they have had some slight and not wide spread QC issue. As well as I know that rarely, from my experience, do things go right the first time around, (more so on a large scale) thus the saying "practice makes perfect"Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
I think that is all that needs to be said...you signed the NDA, which means any information you can release has been kosher approved...which means what you have to say means little to nothing. (In regards to the possibility of issues arising from QC or the ilik)Quote:
I'm not a consumer, I'm a guy who's signed an NDA and been trusted with confidential information many times over the years. I get information you don't, and I get information you do, before you do.
I really wouldn't be more likely. I would like to think of myself as an optimist rather than pessimist it was merely an example.Quote:
Now you say you would be more likely to believe it if I were to say there were defects than that there are not.
Just like WinXP/Vista/ME were all ready to be sent to retail...again there are always defects...just depends on the scale.Quote:
Why? What if there are really not defects?:shakes:
Edit: Bad example (see Ford Pinto/Articles of Confederation for better examples)
I work in an environment where no mistakes are tolerable and the outcome of a mistake is made aware very rapidly as well as dealt with in and with the utmost care and consideration.Quote:
BTW- what do you do for a living that you supposedly know how "most issues are handled"? Do you work for "most businesses" or are you just in communication with "most businesses" at a level you would know?
In regards to the auto industry the only reason why most of the recalls are sent is to prevent class action lawsuits and because they have a slight moral obligation...but even then they weigh the harm vs. cost.
Which insights further mistrust on your hand...:up:Quote:
Furthermore, I think that it wouldn't matter if you really did know how "most businesses" would react - the key factor here is that unless you work at NVIDIA or one of it's OEMs, you can't say for sure whether the info they gave me is true or not.:cool:
LOL at you...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
No matter how well you know your neighbors... When they have a huge fight... they tell you that it's nothing... Why would a multinational company be any different...
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Dude, It doesn't matter to me even if you are "Doing Nvidea" or if they all come over to your house for Egg Nog at Christmas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
I have 4, none of them were stable past 3 minutes. I got them the day they were released. I tried them SLI, then Individually. Most of the people who were at the store that day, have returned them for a different, shipment. Smells like a bad batch..
We Tried All Drivers
We Tried EVERYTHING
We Returned The Card
We Got New Cards
NO MORE PROBLEM.
No Matter what you say about the batch..
"If It Walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... It's A DUCK!"
I've heard of this alleged bad first batch, and honestly it wouldn't surprise me. I've seen a lot more threads on this and other forums about pixelation issues as well as compatibility issues. I don't know if the card was rushed to steal the spotlight from the HD3870 or not, but whatever the reason I've seen numerous problems with the 8800gt with very few issues with the HD3870. Unfortunately it seems like the luck of the draw at this early stage.
I'm super happy with mine. They are a great performer and I was able to get them at $250.00 before the price went up..
Every product has a certain percentage of defective products that get by quality control- my point in all this is that we don't know that number is higher for 8800GTs.
If we see 100 people post on the web they got a defective 8800GT, and 100,000 were sold, does that mean there was a "bad first batch"?
Beats me- I don't know what the normal rate of return is, .1% might fall within that.
The other side of this is we have recently seen the online press point out defects with the 3870s (resistor), Quad Opteron (cache), and Phenom (cache). We've seen no articles from the press stating there are bad 8800GTs- just some people saying "I saw some guys post they got a bad 8800GT".
It's not "SOME GUY" it's me. This isn't some urban legend or some Story I saw on the Internet... I am The GUY. You are getting information from my expierience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
The statistical possibility that I got all four defective cards is impossible.
You sound like a smart person... So what is more likely...
That I got 4 Defective cards for no reason..
Or
That the four cards are from a defective batch..
Seriously... You are not making sense here.
You can't use an old saying to prove a point. There are many people who go to bed early, get up early, and aren't "healthy, wealthy, or wise". This is a logical fallacy, I forget which one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ethelred
That is true, I can't post anything that I'm told is confidential. However, I was told this isn't confidential, and that it's just not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ethelred
I agree, and without knowledge of actual RMA percents and usual RMA percents, we can't really comment, can we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ethelred
Still, anecdotal and false analogy. One situation doesn't have any relationship to the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ethelred
OK- and you know NVIDIA deals with mistakes differently how? Or think they would for some reason? Why doesn't your company?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ethelred
NVIDIA/OEMs don't have to worry about class action lawsuits for some reason? I had no idea they were exempt!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ethelred
All I'm seeing here is mistrust on your part- you're all too willing to believe that NVIDIA is "hiding something" like the tire guys and Pinto guys, based on some anecdotal evidence on the web, but unwilling to believe they treat their customers with the same respect your firm and and the auto industry does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ethelred
I don't know enough about how defects work usually to agree it's "statistically impossible".Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian MP5T
Consider my example 100/100,000 defective.
What if the machines that fabricate them had a malfunction, and the 100 cards were all consecutive, all part of an order to the same store- it would up your odds considerably.
What if it wasn't a problem with the machine, but a bad box of parts from a supplier, and they all went to the chain you bought yours at?
You're assuming the nature of such things is random, I'd almost think it would be more likely to be pretty focused. Which would constitute a "bad batch" for consumers at the place you bought, not the world in general.
Then there's the whole problem of we have no way to verify what you said, as you haven't posted your RMA documentation or return receipts. Not calling you a liar, but anyone can post "I bought 4 bad cards!".
Even if you did, there's the whole problem of the nature of these things could be concentrated.
Last but not least, as noted, these things are often reported in the press, and this wasn't. (e.g. 3870 resistor, Barcelona cache, Phenom cache)
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Originally Posted by Rollo
I am not going to dig up my recipts and scan them.
I believe the essence of the thread has been answered and now we are on a tangent.
For whatever reason I ended up with 4 Bad cards. It is likely that it was parts or manufacturing.
I on;y wanted to point out that the originator of the post should not abandon the idea of the GT.
It is a fantastic card, it simply needs to be replaced and that he had bad luck.
Also there is a new driver..
http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/winxp_169.13_uk.html
rollo can you tell your inside guys that my cards run to hot at idle and the 29% fan speed is to slow for the cards.I gamed and got them up to 70c without the fans speeding up on there own.
I find it pathetic that my old 2600xt had a better cooling solution than my 2 880gt's do.
Is it true that there is a new refernce fan/heatsink coming out?If it is then what about all the people that bought cards that came with the smaller fans?
That should get fixed as a driver update IMO..Quote:
Originally Posted by Skratch
Wow, is this how people are treated when they have a GT problem?
The stock 8800gt is fine, it's a little loud, but it is a single-slot GPU. Simply use Rivatuner to turn up the fan speed.
Why not? How does that not apply in this situation? The more often one does a task the fewer opportunities there are for mistake. A person/company will learn from a mistake and hopefully not repeat it. Thus each mistake (or practice) will lessen the chance of further mistakes (making it near perfect). I think it stands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
Atleast that's what they say...Like I said, everything you have been told (and lets face it you aren't in upper management with Nvidia, at the end of the day you are a tool, simply a peon) has been approved and completely and utterly harmless.Quote:
That is true, I can't post anything that I'm told is confidential. However, I was told this isn't confidential, and that it's just not true.
Well you can? I was merely posting on my experience, which happens to coincide with other experiences with the same product around the same time.Quote:
I agree, and without knowledge of actual RMA percents and usual RMA percents, we can't really comment, can we?
I disagree both were epic failures in regards to quality control one more so than the other. The Articles of Confederation while an attempt to make something new was regarded as the great next-gen...err..government and simply couldn't cut it. To say that even that has no relevance is not entirely true, quality control happens everyday in our government whether it's the president vetoing a bill, or congress passing one and even down the the supreme court ruling on a case. All of these are a form of quality control and happen every day at a level far more vast than we realise. And we all know what happened to the Articles of Confederation.Quote:
Still, anecdotal and false analogy. One situation doesn't have any relationship to the other.
The grounds for bringing forth a class action lawsuit against a computer hardware company such as Nvidia and ATI would have to be rather outlandish, with RMA and warranty controls in place the grounds of "I got a bad card" couldn't warrant it. Class action would come from something like NVidia gave me cancer or my Nvidia card caused my SUV to roll over killing my children...NVidia is not exempt just not at risk for it due to the nature of their business. Some companies are more likely to have class action lawsuits against them of which are pharmaceuticals, transportation oriented business, health-care, food service (in the sense of manufactures and retail ie. McDonalds/Burger Joint). Nvidia just doesn't deal with anything _that_ important to really worry a great deal about it.Quote:
NVIDIA/OEMs don't have to worry about class action lawsuits for some reason? I had no idea they were exempt!
probably rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Brian MP5T
i don't understand why EVGA released a bios update lol when this could have been fixed through card drivers heh
maybe they can't wait for nvidia driver team or something hahah
A driver update to increase fanspeed isn't a good idea, as your card isn't always refereed by a driver, like when in the PC BIOS, safe mode, etc.
We are looking at a solution that will not require everyone to open a third party software and manually adjust the fan every time..Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoudazo