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Im guessing 2ghz, 2.4 and 2.8 varieties?
Where is this from and Price is Euro? or pounds?
far as i knew the 9700 was due in dec ?
Seems a dollar for me, judging by BE-2300 price, which is around 70 euros in Finland.
Edit: Arr. Euros. :|
This is euro :):D
no I think 2.0, 2.2, and 2.4 varieties. Amd wanted to get out a 2.8ghz chip, but everything we've seen these last couple of days states the worstQuote:
Originally Posted by Psycho_eddie
2.2, 2.4 and 2.6 respectively
Price in USD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho_eddie
Pre-order???
Nice, X4 9600 quad costs even less than Q6600.
Hmm, I was considering ditching k10 and going straight to nehalem because of k10's performance, and that I have an am2 board and don't want to waste money on an intel board just for a conroe die shrink, but with these prices, I may have to comply to amd's marketing!
Lol why are you all astonished, it's a known fact that intel is always more expensive then AMD.
Cpu and mainboard that is.
only 20$ difference between the models?
as much as i'd like it to be true, not going to happen i'm afraid...
I'm just surprised at how they're able to do that with the size of the die and how small yorkfield will be. This probably will be another tough quarter and they'll most likely have to rely on their high end and opterons to bring in the cash flow. All they'll get out of the low pricing is perhaps a few percent more market share, which is all hector seems to want, he doesn't seem to realize you can't run a company if it's completely broke even if you have a fair amount of market share. Investors will eventually get tired of this, they needed something bigger.
hopefully k10.5 will have the l3 cache closer to the l2 cache so the signal has to pass through 11 layers of metal, 9,10, and 11 being pretty thick
here's what i got from a froogle search - http://www.google.com/products?num=1...+amd&scoring=p
Everything seems to be back/pre-order so I'm guessing min 1 week probably more like 2 or 3.
AMD Phenom X4 9500 model works @ 2.2Ghz,if anyone wanted to know ;)
They are coming in 2 weeks, when AMD launches Spider (Phenom + RD790 + RV670/R680)
I don't think spider includes the r680, isn't that for q1:confused:
Not quite sure. I've seen conflicting reports everywhere on R680. If 3870 is RV670, then R680 is surely coming in Q1 08.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
is there anywhere in the US you can get a decent am2+ board?
Argh I hate this new naming scheme. I would expect the r680 either to be the 3900 or maybe the 3890Quote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
It's simpler in some aspects, yet it's more confusing in others. :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
That's consistent with the recent rumors that the others are 2.3 GHz and 2.4 GHz:Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...m-slowed-again
Now I can see my early Christmas present :up:
I will go with 9700, hopefully price in UK wont be more than 200 quids. :)
pre-order also available in our country and also prices are less than the Q6600:
http://www.eurolink.co.yu/code/navig...?Id=2&pid=2187
221 euros
where is the price list from? any more info on the specs?
4MB? :confused:
2x512 kB L2
2048 kB L3
yeah, so 4*512kb=2mb
2mb+2mb=4mb;)
and since it's a native quad core the communication between the L2 is better..Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
ehh, I don't know about that. Each die has it's own l2 for intel's quads.
But that's not a major issue. What is a major issue is that amd positioned the l2 cache in the center of the die so it has a short pipeline and thus has uber low latency. Problem is, the l3 is positioned between 11 friggin layers of metal, so it takes the signal more time to get there, thus the higher latency
if i'm not mistaken a Q6600 is actually two E6600's joined together, while the Phenom has actual four cores, everyone single and apart..that means each core has it's own L2 while @intel the communication between the L2's in a dual core has to process and then to process with the L2's from the other two cores..
L3 latency "problem" will be remedied by OCing(since we are at XS :) ).The problem "goes away" at ~2.4Ghz core speed and has even greater impact at higher OC speeds(past 2.6Ghz).Also independent IMC voltages and clocking will bring some more potential,since it was a major pita in K8/9 OCing endavours.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
Two Meroms in Q6600 has to go over FSB in order to snoop each other's L2s.In K10's case,it's all done by L3.L2's are separated and they push down the data to L3 level.Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_skills
AMD's approach is better in multithreaded cases(which is an overall trend in programing today,especially games which can use more than one cores being available even today in some non trivial numbers)
You are correct about the e6600s being joined together, but I don't think you're correct about the l2 part. As far as I know, the cores are allowed to use only their own die's l2 cache, intel is very misleading when they say 8mb l2 cache for kentsfield or 12mb for yorkfield
So what? ;] It will eventually get ALOT faster. Just like K8 did.
Let's bench some old A64 S754 against some AM2 A64. ALOT of improvement when it comes to clock-to-clock speed, and clock frequenzies aswell.
the L3 does the work of communicating like Informal mentioned it..:up:
i just couldn't remember the exact thing or express normally..:D
it's physical 8Mb L2 on Kentsfield but not a true 8Mb due to it's communication
No link/source from the OP ? Not saying it's an unlikely price, but what reason do we have to believe this is genuine?
Intel's multi-core parts snoop over L2, its why snoopfilter on i5000x sucks with quadcore cpu's.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
You have to know the web sites of the main strategic distributors of AMD. That’s the price list of ISA Hardware.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnemonix
So if the distributer is charging $247 for the chip, then it will retail for... $300?
i think that list is retail prices. after doing some back and forth on newegg the prices on there are higher then the prices on newegg.Quote:
Originally Posted by xVeinx
hmm, almost all the available processors on that list match exactly the same price (give or take $2-5) before GST (Tax) from my wholesaler, so if that trend catches on with the phenom it means from a wholesale point of view the 9700 would be $30 (AUD) cheaper than the Q6600 o_O
That product spec might well be wrong if launch speeds are 2.0-2.4GHzQuote:
Originally Posted by mad_skills
is the MHz scaling:
2.0, 2.2, 2.4 or
2.2, 2.3, 2.4? (this would also explain the small differences between prices)
Minor nitpics....Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
IIRC the L2 cache has similar latency to K8 L2, which isn't bad but its hardly "uber low latency". Also the high L3 latency has more to do with the SRAM cell they're using vs. what metal layers its buried in, very hard to get good yields on a SRAM that large+4 cores on a single die, something had to give so they increased their latency requirements.
i don't think it's wrong, i've received an e-mail from the store itself and they confirmed that they are receiving pre-orders due to 19th of November, when is the date the Phenom will be available for purchasingQuote:
Originally Posted by K404
and yes, the amount is limited..bugger, i'm short on cash atm..:(
It's showing up on Google Product Search also.
http://www.google.com/products?tab=n...q=amd%20phenom
2.2-9500,2.3-9600,2.4-9700 seems right.
ISORM.com has ETA: Friday December 14, 2007.
BLT has prices of $260.94, $291.50, $302.34.
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...m-slowed-againQuote:
Originally Posted by K404
that's the price, 300% or about 220 euros..less then the Q6600 yet similar price in most markets..
My DFI 590 SLI is saying gimme!
:up:Quote:
AMD Phenom X4 CPU Prices Emerge
ISA Hardware, AMD's master distributor of processors, has updated its price list to include AMD's first native quad core CPUs. Three new desktop Phenom X4 processors are now listed as actual:
- HD9500WCGDBOX CPU Desktop Phenom X4 9500 (4MB,95W,AM2) box $247.00
- HD9600WCGDBOX CPU Desktop Phenom X4 9600 (4MB,95W,AM2) box $278.00
- HD9700XAGDBOX CPU Desktop Phenom X4 9700 (4MB,125W,AM2) box $288.00
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/07-11...phenom_thm.jpg
Source: ISA Hardware
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpo...06&postcount=1
:banana::banana::banana::banana: me thats cheap a chips :rofl:
i expect 9700 to be a good clocker :)
will buy one for sure :D
When dose it come out in north america???!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!!??!?!?!?!?!
how does an overclocked phenom compared to an overclocked yorkfield?
I suppose you would need insane cooling with a phenom?
We should know the answer to this in a few weeks I'm sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by jarthel
Smart money is on the chip we have already seen overclocked, however.
yorkfield can easily hit 4Ghz on air according to the several reviews I've seen. I somehow doubt phenom can reach that far. isn't it built on 90nm fabrication?Quote:
Originally Posted by mstp2009
same clock speeds, the benchmarks might be close. but this is XS we are talking about. most people wouldn't be running at stock :)
lol, no 65nmQuote:
Originally Posted by jarthel
thanks for the correction :)Quote:
Originally Posted by stm
but the question still is: can an overclocked phenom achieve the same performance (or even close) as an overclocked yorkfield.
We should cross our fingers for yes (but somehow I feel like if that were the case, AMD would have been showing off a LOT more benchmarks that what we have seen).Quote:
Originally Posted by jarthel
We wont know until they officially launch and people here start pushing them
cant wait to see some phenoms at 3.0+:)
I'm sure that is the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by EniGmA1987
but somehow I have a feeling that phenom would lose when we are talking about performance/overclockability at a certain price point. like $250 phenom vs a $250 yorkfield
It's the latter. K10 is capable of running .5 multis. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by K404
whats special with half multis? i was able to use them with my 939 setup when i fooled around OCing it
yes, the first round of phenoms will be 2.2, 2.3 and 2.4, november 19th :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenom_(processor)
I think, after looking to these prices, that Phenom will be slower than Penryn :(
The question is how much, and how will it be the ratio price/perfomance of a system based on a Phenom+RD790+GPU
and one based on a Penryn+X38/48+GPU.
Another thing, from 2.2 to 2.3 GHz the TDP remains the same, but from 2.3 to 2.4 GHz we have a TDP increase of 30 W? Why? :confused:
Good prices, though... ;)
Probably because at 2.2, it is below 95W, at 2.3 it's around 95W but still below and at 2.4 it's just over 95W (=100W with basic mosfet power law):shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blasar
Keep in mind that tdp is only an indication of the good thermal solution :shrug:
These may be slower than Penryn, but according to Perkam the B2 stepping coming out in Feb will be "much MUCH faster". SO maybe those will be able to compete with Penryn :)
http://www.dailytech.com/Stumbling+i...rticle8804.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by EniGmA1987
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=3092Quote:
But why stop at BA or B1. The 2.5 GHz samples featured on AnandTech's second article are of the newest roadmapped spin; revision B2. When Shimpi made the inference that the 2.5 GHz Opterons would be the closest thing to Phenom, he was hardly exaggerating. AMD's current roadmaps peg the the B2 stepping launch for Opteron and Phenom as mid-Q4 2007.
:shrug: