Take a look at the PCB closely. They have the same PCB, which is different from the Ballistix. Gave a call to a buddy of mine who works for Crucial and he said he'll have to ask to make sure but he thought they were handpicked also.
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Take a look at the PCB closely. They have the same PCB, which is different from the Ballistix. Gave a call to a buddy of mine who works for Crucial and he said he'll have to ask to make sure but he thought they were handpicked also.
i own many sets of crucial ram and my 10th ann sticks are identical to ballistix, same levin pcb and everything. only difference is the heatspreader and the spd
http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggIma...148-144-01.jpg
Take a look at the very end of the rightside of the PCB, you'll notice the gold colored whatever that is there. Those are only found on the 10th Anniversary and the lanfest ram. It's also a limited time promotion through newegg, which is exactly what the 10th Anniversary were. They probably have left overs from the 10th Anniversary promotion that they stopped it awhile ago (as it's now their 11th Anniversary)
like i said it is on all my ballitix ram also.
Have a set of tracers and non tracer 6400s neither have it.
That is also on both my 6400s and my 8000s.Quote:
Take a look at the very end of the rightside of the PCB, you'll notice the gold colored whatever that is there
Just use a little logic here...why would Crucial make a special run of high-binned ram and only let Newegg in on it...don't you think that Mwave, Buy.com, ZipZoomFly and a host of other resellers would get all annoyed?
Not to mention that these "Special Modules" are being priced pretty much the same as the regular stuff. Does not make any sense that these are anything other than a Marketing Special.
Could there be some gems in the bunch? Sure, just like there are in almost all lines of high-end ram...and scattered among the Value Ram also.
i don't feel like pulling the sticks that are in my rig but here is the rest.
[IMG]http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/8373/1002703hw1.jpg[/IMG]
and like i said you can't see the others when they are installedbut i took a good pic so i figured i'd post it too.
[IMG]http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7...2708oa2.th.jpg[/IMG]
Neither set of my Ballistix has it. Have both the PC8000's non tracer and PC6400 tracer.
Reefa_Madness your comment made it clear that you haven't got a damn clue what you are talking about. Crucial has already done a special promotion once this year through newegg and only let newegg in on it. Buy.com/mwave.com/zipzoomfly.com ect DID NOT sell the Crucial 10th Anniversary edition ram. They were all, in fact, higher binned ram then anything any other store gets because every 10th Anniversary edition Kit had hand picked D9GMH ICs. Not even the Ballistix PC8500 is hand picked D9's. The price of the 10th Anniversary Kit when it came out was lower than any of the other Ballistix kits.
Jimmyz what are your other Ballistix kits? PC5300/PC6400/PC8000/PC8500?
10th anniversary -2gb ddr2 5300 , tracers: 2gb ddr2 8000, 3-1gb pairs of ddr2-6400.
any of them will do ddr2 1200.
My Ballistix 8500 have the gold writing on em.
70801P
Levin
Has nobody testet them ?
I thought the LANFest stuff had LEDs built into the PCB? Which makes them difference to 10th Anni stuff, unless the comparison was in performance?
No no, we're talking about the performance goodies, not the eye candy goodies.Quote:
Originally Posted by K404
The debate: They are Handpicked D9GMH just like the Crucial 10th anniversary kits or even better, handpicked D9GKX.
Hutch...you say:
andQuote:
Gave a call to a buddy of mine who works for Crucial and he said he'll have to ask to make sure but he thought they were handpicked also.
jimmyz says:Quote:
Take a look at the very end of the rightside of the PCB, you'll notice the gold colored whatever that is there. Those are only found on the 10th Anniversary and the lanfest ram.
LordEC911 says:Quote:
i own many sets of crucial ram and my 10th ann sticks are identical to ballistix, same levin pcb and everything. only difference is the heatspreader and the spd
I say:Quote:
My Ballistix 8500 have the gold writing on em.
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That is also on both my 6400s and my 8000s.
Hutch,
So much for your exclusive and "SPECIAL PCBs" as a means of proving that these are special binned D9GMH...at most you would have proven was different PCBs...nothing more...and you didn't prove that.
Now, lets talk about your "buddy that works at Crucial". If you are going to use an inside person as more proof, then at least give a clue as to his position so that others can determine the value of this inside information. If the guy is head of product development or a sales supervisor of some type, then his comments have value...if the guy works in the warehouse and has to ask his manager as to whether or not these are special ICs and his manager has to ask his boss and ....well, you get the picture, don't you? You've already stated that the guy had to ask...he doesn't know, which really means that you don't either. You won't even have second hand information, you'll have third or fourth at best.
And you call me clueless!
As far as these being "left overs" from the 10th Anniv Specials...well, guys are posting that they are receiving regular 5300s back as RMA replacements from Crucial instead of 10th Anniv Specials which would lead me to conclude that they don't have any left overs, so again, doubtful that these are anything but a promo for this (see any name you recognize in the list of sponsors?).
http://promotions.newegg.com/LANFEST2007/index.html
By the way...where did I post that Mwave, ZZF and others sold Annivery Specials? I don't know if they did or didn't, but my comment was about Crucial making a set of specially binned ram for newegg. Just in case you forgot, the 10th Anniversary Specials were not made for newegg...they were made for Crucial and sold by newegg. Big difference between having ram produced specifically for you versus being a reseller of a limited line of products. If I remember correctly, could you order them (the 10th A.S.) directly from Crucial? Can you order these Lanfest Specials directly from Crucial...not when I last checked two days ago.
And pricing...go back and pull up reviews on the 10th Anniversary Specials and you'll see that they did not sell for less than the regular stuff, as you indicated in the above quote. They sold at par or for more. Do you have any business experience or background? You don't sell your "best" at discounted prices to the detriment of the rest of your product line.Quote:
The price of the 10th Anniversary Kit when it came out was lower than any of the other Ballistix kits.
So far we have established that you would make a lousy attorney, as your conclusive evidence is far from it and we have established that you don't have much business accumen...I sure hope that your in different lines of work or study.
Pal, buy what ever the heck you want, but I'm entitled to offer my opinions, just as well as you are...and that is all you've offered...your opinions!
The next time you want to sound like you know something...be sure first that you actually do know something.
Thanks for that little obvious, but overlooked point.Quote:
Originally Posted by K404
Hutch now wants to take the attention away from the PCBs...now that the comparison to the 10th Anniv Specials is no longer valid, and concentrate on the ICs.
I guess at least there won't be anymore talk about "left over 10th Anniv Specials".
Now we are to believe that the higher priced D9GKX is being put on these cheaper modules.
I guess you can always dream. :D
so just because its a similar or the same pcb you think the chips are the same and binned the same as the 10th anniversary?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hutch
i mean i hope your right and those are binned nicely, the anniversary sticks were swesome, but i highly doubt theese are the same...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
The 10TH Anniversary kits were a special promotion through newegg. Newegg was the only place you could get them. When they first came out they were the cheapest 2x1GB kit that was guaranteed to be Micron D9's, nevermind handpicked D9GMH.
What is the Lanfest ram? The exact same thing. They are a special promotion through newegg and you can only get them through newegg. The 'Lanfest' is a competition being sponsored by newegg and crucial called Lanfest. The Lanfest competition is quite simple: Be one of the two fastest people to build a computer and get it up and running. The 2 winners get a pair of Lanfest ram and various other hardware.
Just like the Crucial 10th they are a limited time promotion and can only be purchased through newegg. They have a limit of 4 kits per customer maximum, which hints at the fact that they only have a limited quantity of these because they are specially binned/handpicked.
The whole issue with the RMA and getting back regular Ballistix with the 10th Anniversary kits was rather shady. Several times they went back in stock months after they stopped producing them and then quickly sold out.
I guess I was wrong about the PCB but that's not what I was going on anyways, it was just one more hint towards what they were I thought.
Catch my drift?
http://www.overclock.net/online-deal...-tracer-2.html
Check the last post, guy says he's running DDR2-1200 Cas 5 2.2V with these sticks. Neither of my Ballistix kits will do that and all my sticks are 512MB (And one of my kits will do 460mhz Cas 3 2.35V)
OMG! They dont say D9GMH!
http://www.importjdm.com/shipped/ballistix_010.JPG
I am going to post a pic of some Ballistix 8500 and make some speculations also! har har.
Hutch, it is pointless posting speculation. Same PCB used on most other ballistix (some ballistix uses brainpower PCB, most ballistix use Levin PCB).
All these are = ballistix tracers with no top LED's/ XLINX LED activity controller
Get a grip man.
mine do, so what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hutch
At any rate... I will test against ballistix 8500/8000 and this stuff. My lanfest "uber" sticks arrive thursday.
So be prepared. E6850 on a p5b deluxe plus 3 sets of ballistix.
Oh hell, ill throw in some corsair dominator ram into the mix as well.... maybe some other stuff.
Anything to end a thread that isnt adding value! Stay tuned.
Funny isn't it...how not everyone agrees with that statement. It certainly appears per this review that Crucial sold their own ram, too.Quote:
The 10TH Anniversary kits were a special promotion through newegg. Newegg was the only place you could get them.
"I conclude that the Crucial DDR2-667 10th Anniversary RAM module is good, but perhaps a little overpriced. Curiously, I was able to find the same RAM at considerably more competitive prices at third-party online resellers like Newegg. I don't understand why the Crucial Web site offers the same module for over $80 more, but I suspect there was some sort of mistake in pricing."
Source:
http://www.hardwareinreview.com/cms/content/view/51/
and...
Given that the following quote is how you start this thread, I find it interesting that you now discount, in the quote above from post # 17, the value of the very point which you based this thread on.Quote:
I guess I was wrong about the PCB but that's not what I was going on anyways, it was just one more hint towards what they were I thought.
lastly...Quote:
Take a look at the PCB closely. They have the same PCB, which is different from the Ballistix.
Then again, did you consider perhaps it only hints at the fact that they have a limited quantity of "Lanfest" heatspreaders? I bet that they have a bunch more Micron chips than Lanfest spreaders.Quote:
Just like the Crucial 10th they are a limited time promotion and can only be purchased through newegg. They have a limit of 4 kits per customer maximum, which hints at the fact that they only have a limited quantity of these because they are specially binned/handpicked.
I'm really having a fun time playing this "what if" game with you, but now I think I'll get back to the real world. Enjoy your Lanfest.
lets all calm down and not argue over this, hutch, just get a kit and try it out.
i dont understand what all the hype is about
I've always found this approach to be a terrible way to start a friendly discussion...don't know why, but I guess its just one of my many quirks.Quote:
Reefa_Madness your comment made it clear that you haven't got a damn clue what you are talking about
Don't these have flashing LED's on top?
no, those are the tracers you're talking about.
I've been reading the debate on the Lanfest RAM. I created the thread at overclock.net and I have to say, these modules really impressed me. Upon request from other members, I ran 5 passes of memtest at DDR2 1240 speeds at 2.15v with 5-5-5-15 2T timings. Whatever the debate is over, the point still remains, these modules are awesome overclockers. I'm picking up another pair to see if they match the my current modules, or if the pair I got was just luck. I'll post an update then.
ericeod
edit: Added link to OCN thread.
SS please.
Wouldn't mind it being CPU-Z validated.
voltage doesnt show on screenshots, and even if it does its often read wrong, show us the max the mem can do :D
Here is a screenshot. DDR2 1200 @ 2.15v 5-5-5-15 2T 3 Hrs Memtest and 1 Hr Orthos!
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j2...d/DDR21200.jpg
edit: Bios set to 2.15v, Everest Ultimate showing 2.16v:
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j2...verestramv.jpg
Update: I just ordered a second pair (Oct 04, 07) to test for everyone. If they overclock the same, I am either extremely lucky, or they are in fact higher binned modules!
:-)
I have a pair. I have a Quad so high FSB testing is out, but I will try how high I can get with 4/4/4/12 timings.
just use your memory dividers in bios. ie 400 at 2/3 is 600, 300 at 1/2 600..etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by vengance_01
does anyone know what the warranty are on these. it does not say on newegg's site and I couldnt find them on crucials site, probably cause they are a newegg exclusive. they are a little bit more expensive than the regular ballistix, but sounds like its worth the extra cost to get better ram
according to the newegg reviews, they overclock better than the regular ballistix line
gonna bet it is lifetime. all the crucial i have is lifetime warranty.
new egg reveiws are about as trustworth as Britney Spears
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyz
Careful, EOD (ericeod) might take offense to that post. :)
ericeod
Tech Level: high
Ownership: 1 day to 1 week 10/2/2007 9:36:25 PM
Pros: I bought these to replace 2 GB of ProMos based RAM. I've now got these running DDR2 1200 at 5-5-5-15-2T 2.15v. These are the best RAM I've ever seen. Great job Crucial!
Cons: none
Other Thoughts: These are paired with an EVGA 680i A1 board and an E6600 CPU. This makes for a killer combination at 3.7GHz, 411 FSB DDR2 1200.
Damn, if I understand it right,
newegg doesn't ship to Germany :(
These Lanfest seem to be as well as the 8500 BallistiX for OC'ing :clap:
Yes, that's correct. Unfortunately they don't ship to international buyers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saturas
Bad, they would be perfect for my memory-changing project.
The ballistiX 8500 are too expensive in germany.
Let's hope that the Teamgroup Xtreem 1066 CL5 DIMMs go as far as the Ballistix.
Come on not that expensive, 137 euro @ HPM-computer.de, but just 96 euro for the Pc6400, nothing can beat that price is true:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Saturas
On which did u runned your modules? I know some board tend to overvolt. I got mine @1167 5-5-4-9 with 2.05v, and for sure a very nice o/c with low volts:)Quote:
Originally Posted by EOD
Sorry, I forgot to input my system specs, I updated it. These modules are running in my EVGA 680i board.
aith nice :)
Ok, nforce is always better for RAM-OC'ing...
Teamgroup Xtreem 1066 Kit CL5: 111€ @ Abtron Computer Systems - and no, it's not the Xtreem Dark Edition ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by mc2k
Crucial BallistiX 1066Kit CL5: 139€ @ Cyberport
But BTT.
;)
hehe go with the team then :P,Quote:
Originally Posted by Saturas
Sometimes even bright people look stupid next to someone who knows what they're talking about. This thread is a dud at best with maybe a slim chance of irev210 saving it......... :shakes:
Speaking of irev210...
A quick down & dirty review of his LanFest modules is posted here.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=161864
I received the following reply to a PM sent over at Overclock.net...first my question, followed by his reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by EOD
Re: Crucial LanFest Kit #2
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
Hey there,
Just curious as to how your second set is working out for you.
Have you posted results in a thread?
Reefa
Reply from EOD/ericeod:
"The second pair would only go up to 1120 at 2.15v. I have my computer apart as I am switching cases and upgradeing the pump and tubeing. I'll do some more benches when it is finished."
My take on all of this...
I'm sure that with add'l voltage they will scale, but by all appearances, certainly not the results you would associate with "hand picked" modules...in other words, a typical, good performing set of Crucial Ballistix, but with a different set of heatspreaders on them.
i like the black spreaders better then the yellow/orange anyway. :D
But they do say -18F, which means it's binned at 533MHz (PC2-8500). :DQuote:
Originally Posted by irev210
r00n,
Did you happen to miss what he posted under the pic?
I believe that the pic is of his 8500, not the Lanfest sticks because later, in post #20, he posts that he expects his sticks to ARRIVE on Thursday...clearly he doesn't have them yet, therefore, couldn't have taken a pic of them.Quote:
I am going to post a pic of some Ballistix 8500 and make some speculations also! har har.
Quote:
At any rate... I will test against ballistix 8500/8000 and this stuff. My lanfest "uber" sticks arrive thursday.
No, I didn't. Actually, because he said "I am going to post a pic of some Ballistix 8500" after posting a pic I assumed it wasn't from his PC2-8500. If it was it would've made more sense for him to say "Here, a picture of my Ballistix PC2-8500". But you're right about the Thursday thing. Must have missed that. I saw his review in the other thread which was from the 11th of October, so I assumed (again wrongfully) that he already had them on the 10th.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
Anyway, most likely the chips on these Lanfest modules will have -25F written on them.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...2&postcount=24Quote:
Anyway, most likely the chips on these Lanfest modules will have -25F written on them.
Yep, that's exactly what his pics show "0734-25F".
But that photo was posted on October 5th. Didn't we just come to the conclusion he got the sticks on the 11th?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
Doesn't really matter though; the URL says Ballistix Lanparty, so that's pretty obvious.
Ballistix Lanparty has -25F chips (binned at 400MHz), as I expected. I've added them to my RAM List.
Quote:
Originally Posted by r00n
Actually, it was you that came to the conclusion he got the sticks on the 11th, which is a Thursday, but a full week after he had already gotten them. We didn't come to that conclusion. :)Quote:
But you're right about the Thursday thing. Must have missed that. I saw his review in the other thread which was from the 11th of October, so I assumed (again wrongfully) that he already had them on the 10th.
I started to reply last night and clarify the dates, just so as to not confuse anyone else, but got caught up with family stuff.
Based on the date stamps on the posts, the comment that he expected his sticks on Thursday (the 4th), along with the pic of the 8500s was posted on 10/02. That was in this same thread.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...9&postcount=19
The pic of the -25, along with the comment that he received them "yesterday", was posted on the 5th. He states that he will start testing them on that day. That post was in the "On-line Deals" thread.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...2&postcount=24
On the 8th he posts that he is still testing. This was from in the On-line Deals thread.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&postcount=35
And here on the 10th he started his quick comparison thread.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&postcount=35
By the way, thanks for adding the ICs to your list. That is a great resource. I know that I've used it many times and have often linked it for others when questions were asked about what ICs were being used by certain modules.
As I said, it doesn't really matter. Haven't been following the threads in a while. I should've been more thorough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
Thanks for the clarification, nevertheless. :)
Thank you.Quote:
By the way, thanks for adding the ICs to your list. That is a great resource.
roon, sorry for any confusion.
-18 photo was 8500's, i was just upset at the OP for speculation.
-25 photo was the lanfest sticks
hope that helps, both are newer version obviously which have the real ballistix logo on the IC.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
It turns out my second memory bank was faulty. I never knew it before because I never used them. Anyway I RMAed the board and the RAM (just to be sure they were not faulty as well).
The replacements from newegg are running 5-5-5-15 2T at 1200 @ 2.1v, in the known good memory banks. I will have some screen shots up soon, I'm just waiting to swap the cross-shipped board into my new case with new WC setup.
Thanks for that update. Hope you get your new stuff up and running soon.
I don't think mine are handpicked...
I was was running 5-5-4-10 at 1110MHz at 2.13V and it failed after 15 minutes or so. At 5-5-5-15 it was stable. I have to say though I did tweak the rest of my timings... so I'm getting 9050MB/s - 9100MB/s memory read at that speed.
EOD what are your your memory bench results at 1200MHz with your settings?
EOD, that's not the first time i've heard that same problem with the evga A1 boards... i think it was slot 3 for the last person too. odd.
Yeah, I've seen this a lot too. In fact, this is my 3rd board I'm RMAing. I dont even run my vdimm above 2.15v. I also replaced all the TIM with AS5 and use water cooling on the NB. I think it was always faulty, but I never used the banks until now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSamurai
i try and test everything out when i first get it (each slot of everything i can lol), just to make sure.
Back on sale. New deal is $100 + $5 S&H, less $35 MIR for a net cost of $65.
I've got yesterday a pair of these Lanfest kit, and tested is fast..
600mhz 5-5-5-15 @ 2.2-2.25v stable
692mhz valid 5-5-5-15 @ 2.50v and here is my P5K's limit in dual ch
so this memo's are based on the 8500 Ballistix ic's, not on the 10th Anniversary liked gmh's I'm sure.. more to come later :)
i've got all four at 850mhz 4-4-4-12 @ 2.02 (according to asus probe).