AMD Radeon HD 2900 XTX pushed to Q3

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...d=661&Itemid=1

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Radeon HD 2900 XTX pushed to Q3
Written by Fuad Abazovic
Tuesday, 24 April 2007 07:22



Radeon late edition saga continues


R600XTX, the 1024 MB GDDR 4 card, has been pushed to the next quarter. This is just one in a series of ATI's failures, but of course DAAMIT will call this a strategic decision. R600XTX won't see the face of retail / etail stores till Q3 2007.

We know that something went wrong with the samples and that the there were some severe performance problems with the latest batch of GDDR 4 cards. Basically 512 MB DDR3 version with 1600 MHz memory was beating the GDDR4 version with 1024 MB of GDDR 4 memory clocked at 2200 MHz.

That cannot be good as the GDDR4 card is much more expensive to build or sell. The worst part is that there is no any big performance difference between 512 GDDR 3 card and 1024 MB GDDR. The trouble is that 1 GB of GDDR 4 at 2200 MHz costs you a lot of money, so ATI at least wants to save some money. It will launch this card after Geforce 8800 Ultra but remember, don’t expect too much.

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http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20070423PD213.html
AMD R600 to be available in May

The sources pointed out that AMD will skip the 80nm process
and make the R600 at 65nm. The R610 and R630, which will also adopt
a 65nm process, will also be released in June, the sources added.

:eek: :stick: :slapass: youd think they would have seen that in the lab? wow thats incredible if its true.

I'm not surprised. I was really wanting the XTX too, I hate buyers remorse from not getting the best off the bat. Will I wait till July-September for it however? Not sure. If the XT is more or less faster than a GTX, even if only slightly I will probably opt for that due to sooner availability and a decent price. The 512mb of ram part bothers me though, would have liked more especially if they are giving the option for 24x AA. The extra memory would definitely come in handy. If the XTX will be guaranteed to be better I may wait and save the difference in money over the wait period and get the best off the bat. My X1900XTX is still going pretty strong for over a year now so an X2900XTX should last me at least the same.

Still no Tunis release show?

Geez, Nvidia just gets more time in the market to themselves. Strategic? hahah. Was the X850 strategic? Was the 5950 or the 5800? We aren't that dumb ATI.

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R650 to fight G90
Written by Fuad Abazovic
Tuesday, 24 April 2007 07:18

ATI's 65 nanometre part codenamed R650 is here to fight Nvidia next generation chip called G90. Nvidia will shrink its G90 and plans to make the same marchitecture faster and this is exactly what ATI plans to do.

At 65 nanometre ATI can go much faster and it will solve the thermal dissipation and power problems. G80 is a very strong and effective marchitecture and at higher clock will be a tough competition.

R650 as far as we know will just be faster version of R600 chip without any major marchitectural changes. Both of these chips are expected by the end of the year, sometimes in Q4 but don’t be so naïve and trust ATI on its deadline. It traditionally messed up the launch date of every chip in the last eighteen months.

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Worth waiting for R650 in Q4 2007???? Or is this an ATI version of Q4 (In other words in Q2/3 of 2008)

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Still no Tunis release show?

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YES, only XT version!

but what the "1024MB" cards would be ??

fake Pics ??

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AMD Radeon HD 2900XT 1024MB 512bit GDDR4 @ default
Conroe E6600 @ 2.7GHz
WinXP Pro
Ca 8.351 beta driver
3DMark06 Default
【SM2.0】　　4589 Marks
【HDR/SM3.0】5160 Marks
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6240/2900xtxu3.jpg


AMD Radeon HD 2900XT 1024MB 512bit GDDR4 @ default
Conroe E6600 @ 2.4 GHz
Windows Vista Ultimate
Ca 8.351 beta driver
3DMark06 Default
【SM2.0】　　4376 Marks
【HDR/SM3.0】4807 Marks
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5533/2900xl1ro8.jpg

(1600x1200 4xAA 8xAF)
http://img2.zol.com.cn/product/11/155/cee8K3qkRDQeo.jpg

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I am I the only one sceptical of Fudzilla as a reliable source? :)

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Originally Posted by perry_78

I am I the only one sceptical of Fudzilla as a reliable source? :)

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Hahha..no :D

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Originally Posted by OBR

YES, only XT version!

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But when? Wasn´t it to happen yesterday? And if not then..today?

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Originally Posted by perry_78

I am I the only one sceptical of Fudzilla as a reliable source? :)

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no :D

On many servers was info about launch about only XT version. XTX version with DDR4 was postponed long time ago ... it is not NEW information ...

I have Tunis visa now, i am invited ...

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Originally Posted by Shintai

But when? Wasn´t it to happen yesterday? And if not then..today?

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I think it was today wernt it?

Wasnt there only meant to be non-working samples and a load of them got caught up in Tunisian Customs for something?

I'm sick of details and delays, always getting pushed as if ATi is a pregnant women and AMD shouts: PUSSHHH!, and their secrecy is ridiculous, as if this cards are a secret project from Zone 51 (or 52 since is moved), build by green people (get it GREEN) and since those aliens are light years away from our planet we can't wait for a long time.

Where are the @#$%& reviews? :slapass:

NDA ends at 14th of May, so we have to wait till then or hope someone leak infos ;)

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Originally Posted by Nanometer

Geez, Nvidia just gets more time in the market to themselves. Strategic? hahah. Was the X850 strategic? Was the 5950 or the 5800? We aren't that dumb ATI.

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I would say the x850 was quite successful.. overclockers/modders #1 ocing card as well.

LOL. So glad i got a GTX, this is pathetic.

If there's no XTX mid may I'm going back to nVidia..... I've had enough of all the bs and excuses....

??? Why are all you people surprised?

We've known for some time that the whole reason the HD2900XT is coming out, is because ATI will wait to see what the Ultra will do in terms of performance...

You gentlemen surprise me at times 0_o

Perkam

I wonder where fudzila gets these informations? Almost sure they have their own dreaming world. Is there anyone that believes in fairy tales? if so thanks for your time.

Ya know with all of this crap going on no wonder why AMD is in trouble,
I am starting to think that maybe it wasn't such a great idea they bought ATI as all they seem to be doing is dragging them into the dirt!
I am sorry but I can tell everyone right off the bat they need to fire all of the people codeing drivers first and foremost, if it were my company I would sh@t can the lot of them!

This is not hard to believe given the fact that R600 was supposed to be out by Febuary wether it be fact or fiction I still don't see a card and I doubt it will be here in May given the recent track record of excuses,

Strategic planning my Ass!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Metroid

I wonder where fudzila gets these informations? Almost sure they have their own dreaming world. Is there anyone that believes in fairy tales? if so thanks for your time.

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I'm afraid this story is about right from what I've seen and heard so far...

Perkam

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Originally Posted by perkam

??? Why are all you people surprised?

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I'm surprised because we've heard nothing but the fact that ATi wants to release a complete line up based on the new chip.... now we're getting the end of the stick cause they can't get their flagship up and running..
Now you can try and explain that...

7 months after buying my $450.00 ATI card and not even a set of decent drivers produced to date and you or anyone else is suprised?

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Originally Posted by NightCrawler™

I'm surprised because we've heard nothing but the fact that ATi wants to release a complete line up based on the new chip.... now we're getting the end of the stick cause they can't get their flagship up and running..
Now you can try and explain that...

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lollers...then you've been reading the headlines and not the articles...we've known since the name HD 2900XT first came about (or at least I've known :p ) that the XTX will not launch until later.

Why on earth would you think there wasn't a single mention of an XTX card...seriously...its like you guys went back in time and erased all of that and come back today to say "WTF is going on ?!?!?"

For those that didn't know...its understandable to feel this way...but it won't change ATI's plans to take the performance lead.

Esau. This thread isn't about drivers...

Perkam

I know Perkam I know ......but I would say thats a major problem for any hardware company especially if it deters pottencial or existing customers from buying their product more so if they are bad shape finacially!

My self I don't care what they make if they don't pull the hooks out of their asses with this driver issue they will not see another ducket one from me!

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Originally Posted by perkam

lollers...then you've been reading the headlines and not the articles...

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I've read the articles and I've read DAAMIT representatives claiming they will launch the complete lineup and nothing less... I don't care when they mentioned whether or not the XTX will be launched at the same time...
The point is those executives talk to much and deliver the opposite... The deadline is coming near and all I'm seeing, reading and hearing is the opposite of the claims those people made in the first place...
I don't know about you but as an ATi consumer this feels like those in charge their don't know [censored] about anything... which makes me wonder if my current X1900XTX gets replaced by another ATi product...

excuse me if i'm wrong,but wasn't this already known?About the XTX pushed back?

I just wish they'd get their act together. This is pathetic.

I find digitimes to be more reliable than fudzilla, but can someone confirm that R600, HD 2900 XT specifically, will be 65nm and not 80nm....

i'm lost here...first it was 80nm,then 65nm,then 80nm again,and now again 65???

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Originally Posted by bloodbanger

i'm lost here...first it was 80nm,then 65nm,then 80nm again,and now again 65???

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R600 is 80nm, RV630 and 10 is 65nm.

R650 will be 65nm for the highend.

The 2900XT is 80nm. It's RV630 and RV610 that are 65nm. R650 (to come later this year) will be 65nm for the high end part.

so supposedly 2900XTX=R650=65nm?

correcto.

hmmm god sake, so it looks like I'm waiting on R650...... *sigh*
No way can I accept second best, just not in my nature unless of course I can overclock the graphics card to 65nm and more RAM/faster RAM

This actually works out for me. Should have my house remodelled by then so I could spend a bit more time with the pc, or the chick.

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Originally Posted by eXceededgoku

hmmm god sake, so it looks like I'm waiting on R650...... *sigh*
No way can I accept second best, just not in my nature unless of course I can overclock the graphics card to 65nm and more RAM/faster RAM

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I'm just looking forward to the power consumption of it, 65n means 20 to 40% of saving in the bill. So calculating it, in a year you can buy the second card for crossfire just saving in the electricity bill.

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Originally Posted by bloodbanger

so supposedly 2900XTX=R650=65nm?

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That's not what Fuad is saying FWIW.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...d=660&Itemid=1

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ATI's 65 nanometre part codenamed R650 is here to fight Nvidia next generation chip called G90.

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R650 as far as we know will just be faster version of R600 chip without any major marchitectural changes. Both of these chips are expected by the end of the year, sometimes in Q4 but don’t be so naïve and trust ATI on its deadline. It traditionally messed up the launch date of every chip in the last eighteen months.

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Originally Posted by Brother Esau

7 months after buying my $450.00 ATI card and not even a set of decent drivers produced to date and you or anyone else is suprised?

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I think you are mixing up nvidia and ATI there ;) nvidia has the driver issues, ATI's drivers for the most part have been fine. 6.5 was fine, 6.10 was fine, now 7.4..... I have the X1950XT and no problem driver-wise.

Remember guys, this IS fudzilla we are talking about, aren't they about on the same level as the inq? Maybe there is a reason for them being called FUDzilla. Guess we'll wait and see.

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Originally Posted by SparkyJJO

I think you are mixing up nvidia and ATI there ;) nvidia has the driver issues, ATI's drivers for the most part have been fine. 6.5 was fine, 6.10 was fine, now 7.4..... I have the X1950XT and no problem driver-wise.

Remember guys, this IS fudzilla we are talking about, aren't they about on the same level as the inq? Maybe there is a reason for them being called FUDzilla. Guess we'll wait and see.

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Inquirer is much better than Fudzilla by many times. Do you know how many years Fudzilla is in the IT market? See we can not compare the Inquirer x Fudzilla. I just think no one needs to use aggressive tactics to raise in the IT market publishing fairy tales..

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Originally Posted by Metroid

I'm just looking forward to the power consumption of it, 65n means 20 to 40% of saving in the bill. So calculating it, in a year you can buy the second card for crossfire just saving in the electricity bill.

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Really and you'll be running at full power to eat up that extra 48-96W on the 80nm is not going to add up to another card in a year.

In my area its 8 cents a kilowatt, relatively cheap. Heres a big if, but IF you get a 40% savings on the card saying the card is 240W stock and some how manage to run it 24/7, 365 days a year that extra 96W of power you'd be using comes up to $67 a year. Unless its going to be sucking that much power doing folding for a full year straight no power interruptions and no down time you will not come even close to a card price if lucky maybe 1/3rd of the price in a years time. As well doubt it really hits that mark in power usage, the 8800GTX doesn't even hit its TDP.

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Originally Posted by Brother Esau

7 months after buying my $450.00 ATI card and not even a set of decent drivers produced to date and you or anyone else is suprised?

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Don't know what your issue is with the card but I've yet to have any major issues with the drivers since the 9800 series came out.

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Originally Posted by Periander6

That's not what Fuad is saying FWIW.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...d=660&Itemid=1

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Yes it is. You conveniently left out the interim paragraph:

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At 65 nanometre ATI can go much faster and it will solve the thermal dissipation and power problems.

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So what they're saying is R600-R650 is just a die shrink, which will allow higher clocks, less heat, and less power. They will make no marchitectural change in the shrink.

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Originally Posted by deathman20

Really and you'll be running at full power to eat up that extra 48-96W on the 80nm is not going to add up to another card in a year.

In my area its 8 cents a kilowatt, relatively cheap. Heres a big if, but IF you get a 40% savings on the card saying the card is 240W stock and some how manage to run it 24/7, 365 days a year that extra 96W of power you'd be using comes up to $67 a year. Unless its going to be sucking that much power doing folding for a full year straight no power interruptions and no down time you will not come even close to a card price if lucky maybe 1/3rd of the price in a years time. As well doubt it really hits that mark in power usage, the 8800GTX doesn't even hit its TDP.

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I play games a lot and I know the price I pay for it :fact:

Well let's say you buy a high end card = £400. So every month I spend in it £20. So in a year will be £240, after 1 year the price will drop to £240 and you just buy another card to make crossfire.;)

The Inquirer is better now that Fuad left. He was the one posting a lot of the B.S. before. FUDzilla is now mostly his stuff so overall it should be MUCH worse than The Inquirer. I frankly don't trust anything he writes, but it is some interesting speculation.

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Originally Posted by deathman20

Don't know what your issue is with the card but I've yet to have any major issues with the drivers since the 9800 series came out.

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Actually...

I can't remember if it was 3.8 or 3.9, but they messed up the shadows in GT3 of 3dmark03 on the 9800pro/xt, as well as in the indoor sections of far cry. They were literally little boxes put together to form shadows.

The first few drivers for the x800xt/xtpe/pro also only allowed the card to use 128mb of it's 256mb. It was cat 3.9 or 4.0 that fixed that issue. It may have been 4.1, I can't remember off the top of my head.

There's still been driver issues for both camps.

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Originally Posted by xenolith

Yes it is. You conveniently left out the interim paragraph:



So what they're saying is R600-R650 is just a die shrink, which will allow higher clocks, less heat, and less power. They will make no marchitectural change in the shrink.

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What I was referring to was the supposition that the 2900XTX was going to be a 65nm R650. Fuad (credibility aside) is saying the R650 won't be out till Q4. The XTX is a R600 part. The R600 is 80nm.

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Originally Posted by Periander6

What I was referring to was the supposition that the 2900XTX was going to be a 65nm R650. Fuad (credibility aside) is saying the R650 won't be out till Q4. The XTX is a R600 part. The R600 is 80nm.

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I see. Looks like Fuad's credibility is in question.

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Originally Posted by perry_78

I am I the only one sceptical of Fudzilla as a reliable source? :)

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lol add me to that club :p:

All I know is that I am glad I bought 2x 8800GTX SLI running them 685/2200 (water) and that I did not wait back there for a February release of the ATI cards and then the March one and so on.

So I had my cards since release and made my HP 30" Display happy all this time.

For me its better to buy some products soon after release rather than waiting for the competitors next big thing! Especially when we are talking about AMD. They just don't have the resources to handle themselves no wonder they are screwing ATI now. And mind you I was on an Athlon FX before Core 2.

I just hope they finally make it or else we are all screwed if left in a Market with Nvidia and Intel only. And now it only takes AMD to fail for this to happen.

It did? Looks like that got discounted pretty quickly.... :)

http://r800.blogspot.com/2007/04/rad...anandtech.html

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Originally Posted by jas420221

It did? Looks like that got discounted pretty quickly.... :)

http://r800.blogspot.com/2007/04/rad...anandtech.html

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The review is up and its an xt model.

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Originally Posted by xenolith

I see. Looks like Fuad's credibility is in question.

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fuad is rumored to be ex Inquirer. So be prepared for rumors without preface as such. I think its like those rags that say elvis was an alien; only for tech.
though id read fuad before the inquirer.

I think he at least does mention the rumors as rumors sometimes.

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Originally Posted by verndewd

The review is up and its an xt model.

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Links please...

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Originally Posted by jas420221

Links please...

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http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardw...ict233991.html

:cool: :p:

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Originally Posted by verndewd

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardw...ict233991.html

:cool: :p:

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:toast: Not ever denying it, just wanted a link to see. :)

EDIT: but actually, the date on this is 4/25. The date on that was early (4AM) 4/24.. You sure its the same thing? (now im doubting your voracity (sp?) )

lol the longer ati waits. The more 8800 series cards NZilla will sell & control market.

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Originally Posted by Natalia

lol add me to that club :p:

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Sorry for OT, but what the hell are you doing in overclocking forums? I mean, why such beautiful lady are so interested in computer tech?

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Originally Posted by jas420221

:toast: Not ever denying it, just wanted a link to see. :)

EDIT: but actually, the date on this is 4/25. The date on that was early (4AM) 4/24.. You sure its the same thing? (now im doubting your voracity (sp?) )

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Rumor has it the xtx is delayed.

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Originally Posted by verndewd

Rumor has it the xtx is delayed.

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ok right, I heard that and saw the thread.

The article I posted was dated TODAY 4/25.

The review you posted was EARLY 4/24 (4AM).

Are you sure that particular bench was supposed to be for the XTX? If so, how is that possible as they JUST stated 'it will arrive in 2 hours' TODAY???

http://www.dailytech.com/Overclockin...rticle7044.htm

Guy at DT just tested an XT.. but claims he has an XTX on his hands too.

Biggest question now.. is it 65nm?

Ok cool Someguy...

Vern you are killing me man....Put your ducks in a row first!!! :)

Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I won't be upgrading again till december so I'll have my pick when it comes to graphics cards. Some people need to chill out. If you want a graphics card now, buy what is available now(screw any notions of brand loyalty you may have. As always in computing if you want to keep waiting for the next big thing then you will never buy anything ever.

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Originally Posted by jas420221

Ok cool Someguy...

Vern you are killing me man....Put your ducks in a row first!!! :)

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on one hand we have fuad saying its delayed and the next available info is DT saying next up; tough bieng jonny on the spot for free here.:D

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Originally Posted by verndewd

:eek: :stick: :slapass: youd think they would have seen that in the lab? wow thats incredible if its true.

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You'd be surprised. CPU upgrade cards for macs (which are oddly similar in construction to videocards) have a dud/instability or overheating rate of atleast %50 at the top end... Yet these idiot in the lab swear up and down they thoroughly stress test every example that ends up in retail.

I've always wondered how most videocard partners manage to keep what must be a +95% perfection rate in all their cards.