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06-13-2008, 09:42 AM
bedlamite

Well looks like AMD continues 38xx policy here.
Not satisfied with one card performance?
Buy secound or third...
For me thats ok.
06-13-2008, 09:46 AM
conzymaher

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Originally Posted by initialised

We have just put together a £600 system with a P5Q, E8400 and 4850. CPU will be clocked to ~4GHz. We'll be testing it on Monday.

Probably use 3DMark06, Vantage & Crysis any other requests?

Some Games people actually play :p

TF2, COD4 and UT3 maybe? At a typical enthusiast res like 1680*1050

Thanks!
06-13-2008, 09:55 AM
STaRGaZeR

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Originally Posted by perkam

Yea, it seems I was only thinking about the GPU :doh:

I'm assuming you can grab that a GPU-only block and use it on the 4850 ?

Perkam

Yes, as ATI has been using the same mounting holes in their lastest generations of cards. Even the gigantic R600 had this mounting holes. Every core only block out there will fit :)

BTW this threads about ATI are a bit... fast and confusing, aren't they? :eek:
06-13-2008, 09:56 AM
weeds

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Originally Posted by Unbornchild

What makes you think that's the idle temp? The guy just ran the 3DM06 benchmark, the card is just cooling down while he made the screenshot, or maybe he kept CCC open to show the load temp...

My 3870 is 37 celcius idle.

They do run those temps at idle.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=2382

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Rade...sted/5829.html
06-13-2008, 10:05 AM
003

Quote:

Originally Posted by initialised

We have just put together a £600 system with a P5Q, E8400 and 4850. CPU will be clocked to ~4GHz. We'll be testing it on Monday.

Probably use 3DMark06, Vantage & Crysis any other requests?

Another request? Yeah, please also include a Yorkfield clocked at a more realistic 3.4-3.6GHz for testing as well.
06-13-2008, 10:06 AM
fng77

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Originally Posted by weeds

They do run those temps at idle.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=2382

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Rade...sted/5829.html

Why are you so worried about the idle temp?
06-13-2008, 10:07 AM
mr2sw21

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Originally Posted by weeds

They do run those temps at idle.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=2382

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Rade...sted/5829.html

seem like it is just the same speed at the 3850. When I look at the result it is basically same score on me 3850 on the GC score. So 4850 seem a little disappointed
06-13-2008, 10:18 AM
initialised

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Originally Posted by golden_boy

A 4870 benching??
eheh, kidding :D
I know this is making some futurology but it will make sense changing a 8800gts 512mb for one HD4870? i miss the reds...:rofl:

regards

No, a 4850 on a P45 board. If the leaked benches are true then the 4870 will out strip a 9800GTX by 30-40% and if the above ATi marketting gumpf is right it will also wallop the next gen nVidia cards. From what I've seen with our 4850 the ~30-40% over the GT is about right and ATi have finally nailed the 4xAA bug with the 4800 series.

I've only had one recent nVidia card, G92 GTS and it done me proud, we used my OC settings for an SLi system that's had some good reviews. Given that the 4870 will retail for ~£150 and the cheapest GTS I can find is £156 then it might be a worthwhile upgrade provided that the leaks are true.
06-13-2008, 10:26 AM
initialised

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Originally Posted by 003

Another request? Yeah, please also include a Yorkfield clocked at a more realistic 3.4-3.6GHz for testing as well.

I doubt we'll have time to change the CPU, besides, 4.0GHz is realistic for an E8400 on an ASUS Intel board, but stock vs clocked is possible.
06-13-2008, 10:28 AM
drjunk

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Originally Posted by fng77

Why are you so worried about the idle temp?

Because its only supposed to burn about 10w at idle. Just doesnt make sense.:shrug:
06-13-2008, 10:30 AM
003

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Originally Posted by initialised

I doubt we'll have time to change the CPU, besides, 4.0GHz is realistic for an E8400 on an ASUS Intel board, but stock vs clocked is possible.

Yes, I know 4GHz is realistic for the E8400. But on a Yorkfield, it is most certainly not, unless you have a QX9850 or QX9770, which most people do not have.

I am dying for the card to be benched on a 3.6GHz yorkfield...
06-13-2008, 10:31 AM
fng77

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Originally Posted by mr2sw21

seem like it is just the same speed at the 3850. When I look at the result it is basically same score on me 3850 on the GC score. So 4850 seem a little disappointed

dispite that, I can asure you that that the 4850 will perform better than the 3850 ;)
06-13-2008, 10:37 AM
fng77

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Originally Posted by drjunk

Because its only supposed to burn about 10w at idle. Just doesnt make sense.:shrug:

Yes, youre right. jimmyz reported quite a high idle temp as well. Its hard to beleve that the core gets 60-70 degres with a consumtion of 10 watts. btw is this an official number, i mean 10w idle, sounds very low to me.
06-13-2008, 10:38 AM
Miwo

Historically, ATI Fan Profiles are set in a conservative way in that the fan will only spin up when it gets really hot. Most of the time it crosses this threshold in 3D only......even if that means idling at 60-70. The chips can withstand this heat no problem. I don't see what the big fuss is over temperatures anyways, most of us are just going to replace the cooler on Day 1 anyways, and you can always use a different fan profile via Rivatuner or Bios Editing once the tools get updated
06-13-2008, 10:42 AM
fng77

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I have my trusty old Accelero S1, just waiting to have a nice warm 4850 to cool. Acctually think I´m going to lap it to night, so its of to a good start.

Or is it worth the effort?
06-13-2008, 10:56 AM
spursindonesia

ATi HD 4850 has been sold since the beginning of this week in Indonesia, for 220 US$ price. Some people who has been using it say that it's matching or slightly faster compared to 9800 GTX @1280*1024, and the gap is getting wider as the display resolution and IQ setting scale up. From that price, i believe the launch price in USA shouldn't be any higher than 200 US$, since VGA card price in my country is always around 10-20% more expensive compared to north america MSRP.
06-13-2008, 11:16 AM
conzymaher

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Originally Posted by spursindonesia

ATi HD 4850 has been sold since the beginning of this week in Indonesia, for 220 US$ price. Some people who has been using it say that it's matching or slightly faster compared to 9800 GTX @1280*1024, and the gap is getting wider as the display resolution and IQ setting scale up. From that price, i believe the launch price in USA shouldn't be any higher than 200 US$, since VGA card price in my country is always around 10-20% more expensive compared to north america MSRP.

Thanks for the info

Just to clarify, when you say "and the gap is getting wider as the display resolution and IQ setting scale up" I hope you mean the 4850 is doing better than the 9800GTX as the resolution increases? :)
06-13-2008, 11:24 AM
eleeter

I don't know about anyone else, but it doesn't excite me much that a new generation card is beating a last generation, even accounting for the price points.

If Nvidia scales up performance by same amount for their next gen stuff, AMD will still be behind.
06-13-2008, 11:29 AM
fng77

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Originally Posted by eleeter

I don't know about anyone else, but it doesn't excite me much that a new generation card is beating a last generation, even accounting for the price points.

If Nvidia scales up performance by same amount for their next gen stuff, AMD will still be behind.

Noo, same here. I dont get excited at all. :rolleyes: Wish they would stop with this silly "develpoment" crap. Faster, cheaper, better, competing, with each other, Bah. However I love a good game of miss Pacman, like in the good old times.

:rofl:

Ok, I was being iroic, please dont hate me, but I do get exited about it :D
06-13-2008, 11:44 AM
MrHydes

i'm so happy with this confirmed news the strong pressure from ATI

and Seeing Nvidia in their nvidias for the first time in more than 2 years

awsome work ATI... congratulations :clap:
06-13-2008, 11:48 AM
jimmyz

Update on the teperature info, stock was 79c idle. I took off the cooler and cleaned it for photo's. when i re-installed it I used A.S. Ceramique and now idle is 54c the stock goop was way too thick I guess.
06-13-2008, 11:55 AM
spursindonesia

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Originally Posted by conzymaher

Thanks for the info

Just to clarify, when you say "and the gap is getting wider as the display resolution and IQ setting scale up" I hope you mean the 4850 is doing better than the 9800GTX as the resolution increases? :)

That's correct, but in games that nVidia G92 has a huge lead over ATi RV670 -Lost Planet for example- HD 4850 could only narrow the gap. OTOH, the impression from my colleagues in local IT forum that has been using the card for the past 2-3 days, the card feels much more consistent through out the game and pretty strong with cranked up IQ setting compared to RV670 cards -aka, it's no longer a benching card, a stigma that's been carried by R(V)6xx cards for quite sometime.

Ofcourse, take it with a healthy dose of salt, since this is not a first hand info right away, but the fact that the card is in distribution already in my country is very provable. :)
06-13-2008, 11:56 AM
fng77

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Originally Posted by jimmyz

Update on the teperature info, stock was 79c idle. I took off the cooler and cleaned it for photo's. when i re-installed it I used A.S. Ceramique and now idle is 54c the stock goop was way too thick I guess.

Good thinking. And nice temp. drop. Perhaps AMD should consider upgrading their tim for future batches.

How are those benches coming?
06-13-2008, 12:00 PM
Eastcoasthandle

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Originally Posted by MrHydes

i'm so happy with this confirmed news the strong pressure from ATI

and Seeing Nvidia in their nvidias for the first time in more than 2 years

awsome work ATI... congratulations :clap:

I didn't understand that part. :shrug:
06-13-2008, 12:02 PM
fng77

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Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

I didn't understand that part. :shrug:

That makes two of us

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