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Again, not sure if it'd have worked using my Razer...used a Mionix NAOS 5000 this time with polling set to 1000MHz...and it was just easy as pie. I just plopped down in the chair, installed software, hit update firmware and was in business.Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
I haven't experienced problems with FW updates with Steelseries XAI or Sensei set to 1000hz polling rate either. Maybe because I ran them on a different USB hub from the AE5?
I haven't ever been able to update FW of my Aquaero LT when usb is connected to my main systems (Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD4 board) usb header and I don't even have any kind of gaming mouses etc. But when I connect usb cable to my other system ( Asus X58 Sabertooth) firmware update works just fine.
I have a question to owners AE5 and 2xDCC 12w (+ few 120mm fans).
Do AE5 work properly with optional Heatsink( 40mm fan on it).
And i can't get find nowhere data, how much power can get from AE5 (per channel/total) with:
1.optional heatsink( 40mm fan)
2. optional waterblock ?
I think I have seen 1.65 A / channel with waterblock mentioned as max rating, but all channels combined must still be under 60 W. I have never seen the numbers for heatsink cooling.
Yep, i seen this too.Quote:
Originally Posted by mm67
But what max power be with heatsink, no one can't tell :(
I don't want mess with waterblock. To me, it's too much ;)
I am currently running Aquasuite 2012 B9 on my AE5 XT with the 1018 Firmware and I cannot get my PA2 Ultras to show up in the suite.
I have the PAs daisy chained off each other and the first PA2 hooked up through the Aquabus 2 channel on the AE5 XT. The 4 pin molex power connectors are also plugged in and my DDC pumps are running but there is no panel in the suite for them.
Any ideas?
not sure if this will actually answer your question but it'll lead you in the right direction..Quote:
Originally Posted by ohms
I recall reading that the firmware on the PA itself has to be 1003 or something for it to work with the XT, also if you are using more then one PA, you need to plug it in one at a time and change it's ID (50-55), as default all their ID are the same..
Hey guys, one more question about AE5.
What are benefits aquero xt in front of aquero pro? Only equipment (heatsink+ir remote) and touch screеn ? Is this necessary option on this device ?
Can some one tell, me please, do i really need water block for 2xdcc (12w) or simple heatsink be ok?
And can i get control on 11 pwm fans from AE5 (simply connect power wires too PSU and tacho+pwm control wires in AE5) will it work fine?
Ah yes! I completely forgot about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by frank anderson
Now I just have to figure out how to get the Aquasuite 2012 to show the device once plugged in via USB.
Make sure you dont have the AquaBus connected at the same time. Just the PA to USB and power.Quote:
Originally Posted by ohms
I had it hooked up that way, and it gets detected in Windows but no panel on the Aqua Suite 2012.Quote:
Originally Posted by ximius
Ok look like I am going to drop $400 on the parts needed to run my system.
17 fans
D5 pumps x2
Flow meter
Temp meter x2
One aquaero 5 pro
Power adjust x2
Fan splitters
To run the d5 pumps are there any additional hard ware needed.
I also read there was some hardware conflicts if you were running certain items. Just wanted to know if there was any know conflicts with the G19 and G9x
Last any suggestions on install/setup to make things run smooth from the beginning. As there is no manual or anything I have found to read to get a head start.
hi ohms, just wondering if you got your PA's updated and running..? I have my XT and 6x PA's right now running off a test bed just to make sure they work, my next plan is to pull my cpu loop apart and add all this stuff inside.. just wondering if I need to plug them direct into the MB USB without the XT or? Thanks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ohms
If you have the tools to modify the D5 molex to a standard 3 pin header, then it's all good.. if you are getting the D5 with a tach sensor, you can route that too on the Aquaero..Quote:
Originally Posted by wetfit9
I read the same thing regarding the G19 (I'm using G19, G500 mouse and Cycorg Command Unit), all of which uses a high polling rate.. I should have my XT installed and running in the next day or so, need to do a leak test again, will let you know if I run into any issues.. In the latest firmware release, users has reported the polling issue has been resolved (keeping my fingers crossed)...
Yes, The PA comes with a german only manual and it took me forever to figure it out.. If you are getting the front panel also, DONT FORGET to use washers on all but the 2x holes on the furthest opposite ends of each other, the holes that attaches the side brackets only.. the rest requires 2x washers to even out.. as for connections, The top furthest right is for flow sensor, the bottom one next to the standard molex is the fan power out, the rest is self explanatory..
You might have to update the PA's first to get them to work with your Aquaero, please read the past few post as ohms and I was just talking about it.. :)
As for the Aquaero, I got the XT version but it's the same as yours plus a few extra gadgets, the manual is in both english and german, the unit itself has a sticker on it with everything labeled and telling you what plugs into what, so it should be pretty straight forward..
You are going to need a water block if you are attaching the pump to that Aquaero, I'm running fans only right now for testing and the PA's and Aquaero itself is pretty warm to the touch.. The lower the voltage these units uses, the warmer it gets is what I understand /shrugs.. I can't figure this one out either but that's what everyone is saying..
ummm that all I can figure out for now..
For proper operation you have to update the PA2 to the latest FW with Aquasuite 4.72.00. Then, connect them to the high speed Aquabus and run Aquasuite 2012.Quote:
Originally Posted by ohms
If you have the tools to modify the D5 molex to a standard 3 pin header, then it's all good.. if you are getting the D5 with a tach sensor, you can route that too on the Aquaero..
Hi,
I do have the D5 with the speed contoller on it alone with the Tach sensor. (Koolance). So you are saying I will have to mold the connection on the D5 or will I be able to use as is, cause I prefer not to mod.
nope, dont do anything with the D5, cut and strip a bit of wire on the molex, and crimp pins on to them that will fit the existing 3pin header, 2 of them should be empty.. If you don't have a crimp, a pair of needle nose pliers will work but it just wont look as good..Quote:
Originally Posted by wetfit9
If you don't have pins or crimp, you are going to have to go ghetto.. strip wires.. find a unused 3 pin fan and strip it at the center, twist and electric tape.. lol dont do this, it looks ugly as frack, You have nice gear, buy your self a crimp from mdpc.com, you wont regret it, best investment ever, every modders tool, You aint a modder unless you have a decent crimp..
Make sure you follow which lead goes to which pin.. GND (black), +12V (yellow), RPM (whatever your rpm cable color is).. mixing these could lead you to a dead pump, dead AQ5 or both..
Man, this is a lot to get this to work. I have to buy the parts then buy more parts to get it to work. Come on man, I have decided to wait. Thanks for answering all of my questions guys.
If you're hesitant to make one yourself, you can also buy a female 4 pin molex to 3-pin fan connector lead. No soldering or whatever required. It just looks less elegant.
It will work out the box, you would still have to modify the 4 pin molex head, as the PA and AQ5 both only have 3 pin power outputs, you can attach the pump rpm sensor to the rpm input on either the AQ or PA..Quote:
Originally Posted by wetfit9
It's not as complicated as you think, water cooling requires work, unless you buy a H70|100 or a Omni for 580..
As cx-ray said, you can go that route, but as with most water cooling enthusiast, they want everything to look perfect, which requires a lot of work.. I have seen rigs that has a spaghetti bowl of wiring and tubing everywhere, this works for them.. If you are happy with this, please go ahead, it's your rig.. I was just offering advice on how to make the best airflow, minimal cabling and best "bling" factor.
:)
on a side note, got some questions of my own.. I posted this on AC forums also but seems they are slow on replies..
Just got it in, running tests on bench to make sure everything is working... Love this thing, and I just begin to "touch the tip of the ice berg"...
a few questions..
Can I plug fans into the "tacho signal" and "flow sensors" of the PA2? or I will need to use a 1 to 3 splitter on the "power output" ?
Will the unit auto adjust / detect what is connected?
Any difference in how I daisy chain my PA2? I have 6 of these..
ie; on Aquabus 1 and 2..
XT to PA2 bus 1, PA bus 2 to
next PA2 bus 1... repeat
or it does not matter?
I also purchased the RGB illumination module for aquaero 5, what exactly is this? I thought it was just for bling but apparently there is a usage for this..
If I don't plug anything into the XT, it lights up red, but with stuff attached, it lights blue.. I have it plugged into the RGB-LED on the XT.
according to the translated spec on the webshop..
Can someone give me the technical spec of the AQ5 and PA2 ? I need to know what's the max temp before it switches to safe mode, what is the max watt or amp?Quote:
Full-color lighting module for connection to the LED output of the fifth aquaero . The illumination module consists of an ultra-bright RGB LED in which all three primary colors can be controlled separately
A plexiglass rotating part for mounting in aquatube needs may be ordered separately (not included). Compatible with: aquaero 5 XT (Art. 53 089) aquaero 5 PRO (Art. 53 090) aquaero 5 LT (Art. xxxxx)
Thanks..
Quote:
oh nevermind, got a reply from shoggy, posting on here for reference or google food..
There is only one fan header on the poweradjust 2. All other connectors are for sensors etc. like you already mentioned yourself. If you want to connect several fans you will have to us y-adapters.
It does not matter how you connect them via aquabus. Since this is a real bus system they must be only connected in some way. If from one device to the other or by using y-adapters does not matter.
The RGB illumination LED can be connected to the aquaero. Its function depends on your configuration. You can use it as indicator for temperatures or optical signal for alarms etc..
You are so right, I will just have to do a little more research and get what I need and do it right. I will be back when I get everything I need.
Hey guys, I tried upgrading the firmware for my Aquero 5 PRO but it's not working. The moment I click on "Update firmware now", it just waits and never gets updated. It's currently on firmware 1010 and I'm on ASUS R3E. Any ideas how we can update the firmware manually perhaps?
Try read this topic, may it help.Quote:
Originally Posted by aoch88
that is amazing!
Hi could you send me a good location to get the tools needed to mod the cables on my pumps
As a long time M-Cubed owner, the product works but the software and support sucks with Windows 7x64 bit at least. I will be happy to trade for your LT
I got my crimp from a local electronics store, the pins and molex heads (green) are from my local computer DIY shop.. You can start there as I am sure you will save some $$$ on shipping.. Another is I think performance PC's and MDPC sells crimps, MDPC is renown for their quality so you wont be getting a cheap crimp (if you are planning to use it a lot), tho I think it's a bit expensive 37.64euro for a crimp..Quote:
Originally Posted by wetfit9
I paid around $14 USD for mine and worth every penny as I use it a lot for multiple rigs, let friends borrow it, etc.. and best of all, it's made in Germany..
I just cancelled an order for an LT, and I'm not sure whether to get one now.
Could someone please clarify the USB polling rate issue? is it a problem only during firmware updates, or does it affect general operation as well? I always use gaming mice (inc. Razer) at 500Hz or higher USB polling rates, so at the moment I don't have much confidence in the product or Aqua Computer's willingness to find a solution.
well I can't confirm razor..
But I did have the Logitech software installed and running when I updated the firmware on both my PA and AQ, not a problem... Also running now very smoothly and also not a problem.. My mouse is a G500 and polling rate can reach that of 1000mhz 5700DPI which is a bit insane when set to max, I usually use around 2200 to 2800 dpi and no problems I can tell..
sooooo Look's like AC fixed the problem..
Have a question if anyone can assist me that would be awesome.
Currently getting the following:
Aquaero XT 5
Poweradjust Ultra x 3
Flowmeter x 2
~8 temp sensors (some inline, some not)
Aquaero Waterblock
Multiswitch LT
What i'm planning to plug into it:
2xD5 pumps
6-9 Fans(3x140mm,1x120mm,2x200mm) (9 fans would be a extra 3x140mm)
8 LEDs using the multiswitch for a idea i have
Would what i have be enough for what i'm planning on running? (pretty sure it is just want to make sure)
I wired 4 fans in parallel to connect to a power adjust 2, what do you do with the 3rd PMW wire coming off the fans? Do you connect that in parallel as well or do you just connect the wire from one fan in the chain?
Don't worry about the polling rate problem as the newest firmware seems to have fixed mine...I am actually quite pleased with the whole package now...but plan on purchasing either the aluminum HS or the waterblock as the vrms need help with cooling. I have the passive HS installed with a 60mm fan blowing directly onto it...with this I am able to run 4 pairs of 140mm Aerocool Shark fans as low as 4vdc and as high as 12vdc...the VRMs only ever get to 72c.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanM
Is there a fool proof way of flashing the AE5 and PA2 without bricking them ? Mine is still on firmware 1010, and the Aquasuite is totally unusable.
Mine was that way for a while...and I made a very angry post about it at the time. My LT is buried very deeply into a mid-tower, so I was not happy to learn I had to dig it out in order to "reset" it. I can't remember the specific temp-probe numbers, but there is a procedure for jumpering two of them, powering off, then on, then re-accomplishing flashing. It worked...but I did no risk doing it on the same PC (Sandy Bridge Z68)...I did it on my standby rig (AMD system). Then I reassembled everything only to discover there still was no "curve controller"...so I waited a while, and a new software / firmware version came out as promised. I gritted my teeth (different mouse this time...the old one was a Razer Death Adder, the new one is a Mionix NAOS 5000 set at 1500MHz polling)...drumroll....and somehow everything just magically worked. Since it's doing what I want now, I'm not going to do that ever again:)Quote:
Originally Posted by gmat
Good luck...try surfing the English Aquacomputer forum for those jumper numbers.
Josh
P.S. I wish AIDA64 supported this product like it does the for the T-Balancer. That would be the icing on the cake.
I cant access the jumpers, mine is mounted on a MM pedestal under a fully loaded MM UFO cube. I'm not redoing all my cable management and refilling everything just to flash the firmware.
So there is no other way to flash it than unmounting it and putting jumpers on (which were not sold with the unit, and i dont have any left since the 1980's) ? I didnt flash yet, and the unit is working by itself (i can access the UI since it's a Pro version) - its just the Aquasuite which is unusable.
I wish i had known this before i assembled everything.
Ditto! Hey, can you access the data cable? Maybe you could try plugging it into a laptop...it's worth a shot. Also...try flicking the PSU off completely for a bit...to ensure the unit is OFF off. And again...try the polling rate thing...use different peripherals next attempt.Quote:
Originally Posted by gmat
Good luck man
Yeah i'm getting an internal->external USB cable adapter, so i'll plug them into a laptop (i can access the data cable easily).
The Aquaero comes with 4x temperature sensors (not inline), the items you selected is more then enough to power the stuff you listed, I suggest figuring something to have air flow pointing at the PA, mine gets above 60c when running at 7.4V 0.45A...Quote:
Originally Posted by tca120
one idea is what phayboy did, he used a corsair airflow (that ram fan unit that comes with all dominator kits) pointing directly at his PA units..
Another is what I did since I can't fit a corsair airflow unit as my tubings and res are in the way, I got a Antec Spotcool that I plan to install in the near future..
or you can go ghetto and zip tie a 80-120mm fan...
You only need to connect 1 fan pwm cable to the aquaero, I have mine daisy chained like this.. 2 (ground and power) > 2 (ground and power) > 3 (ground, power and pwm) > aquaero or power adjust.. You don't want to connect all the pwm cables together from all the fans, the read out will be all over the place..Quote:
Originally Posted by Tolem
I have a similar problem accessing the back panel, I use a non-magnetic pair of tweezers and a flash light, it's been a god send so far..Quote:
Originally Posted by gmat
:)
one option for the jumper is to hook up 2 wires to it and a switch, taking the wires from an old case, reset or HD led and putting a switch on it.
this would make it more accessable... once you go through the the hassel of getting to the device.
hi, i just bought 2 FM17N , will this the same? slot into pin 1 and 3 on 3pin connector?? thank in advance....Quote:
Originally Posted by Phatboy69
Well no luck with Aquasuite 2012. I have Logitech mouse & keyboard, run the "dimr" tool to confirm polling rate is 125Hz, so no problem here.
If i load up the old Aquasuite 4.72 and i plug my Poweradjust 2 on USB, it's working perfectly. I can see the flow monitor properly (which my AE5 cannot, on firmware 1010 - i have one flow sensor plugged on my PA2) and fan rpm monitoring is correct. My PA2 is on firmware 1003 so i uninstalled AS 4.72 and moved on to AS 2012 beta 9. Unplugged the PA2 from USB, plugged the AE5....
Then i launch AS 2012. It sees my AE5, good. If i go to "system" page my AE5 pro shows as "aquaero 5 lt" which it is not, it's a pro version (with the LCD). Firmware is 1010, if i try to flash it holds and doesnt even start flashing at all. Nothing happen on the device either.
Now what do i have to do ?
try this .....
1.) Turn off the PC and remove the standby power if you are using it.
2.) Remove all sensors from the aquaero.
3.) Place four jumpers on the temperature sensor connectors 5 to 8.
4.) Power on the system and after a few seconds you should see a recovery mode screen in the aquaero display.
6.) Turn the PC off and remove the jumpers from the aquaero.
7.) Start the PC and use the latest aquasuite 2012 software to flash the firmware onto the aquaero. It should perform a restart afterwards so you should see the regular screens now.
8.) Turn off the PC, connect all sensors etc. again and start the PC.
- from shogy
i do flash succesfully...
Quote:
Originally Posted by gmat
Well i hoped i would have to dismantle everything... o well.
Ok so i did dismantle everything, scrounged 4 jumpers and did the recovery mode trick.
Flashed the unit to 1018, ok. Aquasuite told me something in german then exited. The AE5 rebooted, and now half the screen (left) is working, the other half is blank. Note that before that it was working perfectly, only change is the firmware... Trying another round of recovery, i'll be back.
(edit) got it sorted by re-flashing the 1018 one more time. Wheh.. Now to redo my cable management again :(
noob question!
if I buy a aquaero 5 LT, to connect 6 fans, 4 ccf, 2 pumps, need some more accessories? or just aquaero 5 LT sufficient?
Now that I'm all learnt up (lol) I'm impressed enough with the product I'll be buying another LT for my next build...but...I'm going to install a permanent "jumper" momentary derlin switch, kinda like having a dedicated CLRCMOS button. I hope this'll overcome any firmware drama...all I really need to sense is water temp anyway....and BTW, gratz on finally getting r done!Quote:
Originally Posted by gmat
Josh
Yeah i'm going crazy with the curve controllers now. Tried the PID but i'm not sure what is the control variable (integer ? % as in 10% = 0.1 ? is it relative to fan minimum or absolute 0-100 ?), and not sure what is the 4th variable (the delay for D ? is it a sample time in order to avoid peaks ?). Went through a square impulse measurement (thats a good one hour experiment here for just one impulse) and applied some known PID recipes, but ended up with too slow response and oscillation...
Here's how I have my LT set upQuote:
Originally Posted by gmat
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/b...i/Overview.png
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/b...sa-si/Temp.png
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/b...Controller.png
I used a progressive curve too first but that leads to oscillations, and the fans i use (gentle typhoons) have resonant frequencies, that's quite unpleasant. I went to a stepped curve instead, it works rather well, no more fan speed oscillation and they dont dwell over resonant frequencies (i adjusted each step so the fan speed results in a smooth noise):
http://gmat.free.fr/pix/curve.jpg
Is the aquaero able to monitor CPU temps and adjust fan speeds according to that yet?
Im trying to figure out the fanspeed/watertemp ratio i want and its getting a little annoying. Would be muhc easier to say
if cpu temp 80 then fans = 100
etc etc..
Not sure if there's a way, but I don't see the point if you're cooling other items as well. Regardless of load, your CPU temp will always rise relative to water temperature anyway. How about this...place your fans on max and game for an hour...see how hot your water gets. Then try them at 90%...then 80% and so on. What most people want is quiet during a typical gaming session...so...this is entirely up to you. I'd suggest playing around with your fan speeds, figure out the max noise you can stand & set your curve accordingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by barfastic
Good luck.
Josh
Hi! have been readin long time here now but not posted enything so my first post here. And sorry for my bad english :)
So im not 100% sure what is best way to connect my D5 pump and 7 fans to A5 LT and PA2. So i decided to ask it from you guys.
Thanks!
Hi! have been readin long time here now but not posted enything so my first post here. And sorry for my bad english :)
So im not 100% sure what is best way to connect my D5 pump and 7 fans to A5 LT and PA2. So i decided to ask it from you guys.
Thanks!
Do some one use this thermal sensors (http://www.aquatuning.de/product_inf...read-G1-4.html) with AE5 ? How they fit to AE? Will it normally show the water temperature?
I dont want use AC therm. sersors because internal diametr is about 8-8,5 mm. Phobya is standart 10mm
This may do the loop more restrictive.
New beta version of Aquasuite2012 can now read temperatures from Aida64, SpeedFan and Open Hardware Monitor.Quote:
Originally Posted by barfastic
I have both Phobya and AC sensors mixed up in my loop, both show similar temperatures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shteud
Hey Guys,
I'm finally getting around to hooking this baby up and starting in on a guide/review:up:. There is obviously a ton of information through this thread I'll be reviewing and I've been doing the web research as well.
Any pointers before I get too far into this (Should I flash right away, etc?)
I also noticed my sample XT has a larger aluminum colored heatsink?
http://martinsliquidlab.files.wordpr...uaero5-021.jpg
That's a much bigger heatsink than the black one shown here:
http://forum.aquacomputer.de/images-...rueckseite.jpg
Which one is the current standard?
Also any special requests for this guide review?
I've got a lot to learn about this complex unit, and hope to develop a pretty good guide out of the effort. I also plan to do some testing on the fan channels using both the heatsink and waterblock, etc. In the end I think it will be more guide than review, but I'm looking forward to working through it.
Cheers!
Martin
mm67
Thanks!
Martinm210
Silver radiator now standart for XT. For Lt/Pro its optional.
It been great, to have a good guide on AE. AC dont have nothing similar. AC give only thin broshure.
Martin, you should flash the firmware right away, and probably use the "jumper method". Once the unit is connected you'll have to unplug everything in order to re-flash...
Martinm210: IIRC Shoggy wrote that new one is more effective (and it looks like such, as less/higher fins should be more effective in cramped bay space with little air flow, vertical fin direction also might help a little), and it looks cheaper to make :).
Whatever you do, please test with a bit more scientific approach maximum total and per channel wattage with no heatsink (like LT)/passive heatsink (mounted in actual bays with "normal"(=limited) airflow over)/heatsink + fan/waterblock, before protection kicks in @90C, also with different loads in channels placed nearby or further from each other. + With several popular fans/pumps combo. Eg. how much power is left for fans if one runs one DDC/two DDC/one D5/two D5 from it. Maybe also how much power for fans is left if pumps are not toned down till lowest possible voltage. And also how well it's 4th, PWM, channel is effective in regulating MCP35X. Also .. if you can, also test real world max wattage/regulation capabilities of Power Adjust 2 connected to AA5.
I wonder why AC still has not done that themselves with posting charts of wattages/temps lines and tables with several popular pumping solutions in product description page on their site. :shrug: Imho all of the AA5 users or potential buyers would greatly benefit from availability of such data. Not all potential users frequent forums like this, imho info should be first and foremost at vendor's site.
Couple of questions in regard to the Aquaero 5 XT.
(1) Can you plug just the RPM wire from a Koolance pump (e.g., 450S) into the XT to monitor just the RPM? If so, where does it attach? I don't want to power the pump from the XT.
(2) If you use a 3-pin Y-splitter for fans (e.g., two fans per XT port) you won't be able to mintor RPM correct?
(3) Do they make extension cables for included temperature sensors, etc.? I have some serious wire routing in front of me and I don't think the included sensors will reach.
Thank you.
Sounds good. I tried flashing without the jumper and getting sort of a reboot occurring on the AQ5 when I click on the settings button under the new AS2012. The AQ5 reboots itself then the flash to 1019 button shows up, but clicking that seems to hang the program. I'll try the jumper thing next. I do have a logitech mouse, but using the polling software, I'm at 125Hz. Maybe I'll try another mouse too..Quote:
Originally Posted by gmat
Good ideas, I'll use those as a list of goals to work on, but admitted I'm very much in figuring out how it works mode. I've got a ways to go before I feel like I know what I'm doing and capable of testing. I was pretty happy to just get the fan to turn down today..:)Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
1) I'm sure you could use one of the four fan channels, but you may need both RPM and ground wires.Quote:
Originally Posted by D749
2) You would need to cut the RPM wire from the series so only one of the string of fans is feeding an RPM signal. Some cables may already be setup that way but I always make my own... I just know you only want one RPM signal and some sensors need both the RPM and ground to work. I'd leave the power wire out.
3) Not sure on the extension cables, but I would think you could fabricate your own and simply recalibrate the sensor for the added resistance of the wire extension. I'd probably use an Iced and stirred glass of water to calibrate all the sensors together. The calibration features seem pretty easy to use. I noticed today that the flow sensor didn't jive with my king flow meter and it's pretty easy to simply adjust the pulses per liter to correct it up. The temperature sensors have a temperature offset option in the firmware and I presume the new 2012 aquasuite may even have more advanced options. The older AS software provided an option to develop complex curves for sensors, but the offset method would probably serve most users needs.
Any idea on whether the problems with the CH V mobo working with this has been fixed?
Martin: the logitech mouse will be fine. I belive the old firmwares just cannot be flashed properly. Putting the unit in recovery mode solves the problem.
I found a lot of these under the brand Phobya. Helped a lot reaching places in my huge Mountain Mods case...Quote:
Originally Posted by D749
Nice! Up and running with the latest 1019 firmware now..thanks for the tips!Quote:
Originally Posted by gmat
I swapped mice and that didn't help, then I did the jumper trick to recovery mode. First time I left the jumpers in through the flash process and it gave me an error. The second time I removed the jumpers before flashing and it worked! So I think the process is:
1)Turn off computer and switch off power supply
2)Remove all sensors from AQ5 except power molex and USB
3)Install jumpers across sensors 5, 6, 7, 8
4)Turn on computer & PSU (AQ5 will beep and a "Recovery Mode" screen will turn on.
5)Remove jumpers
6)Using Aquasuite 2012 click on AQ5 settings and proceed with flashing firmware. When successful, the AQ5 will beep and the recovery mode will dissappear. It will also give you some message in German, not sure what it says...but it's good as long as the AQ5 screen comes back
7)Turn off computer and PSU
8)Reconnect Sensors
9)Turn on computer and PSU
10)Drink a cold one..:)
The RGB LED seems to be working now as well as the aquastream XT information coming through the aquabus high port.
Aquasuite2012 also seems to be rolling as well..the firmware update using the jumper method was a must:up:
So far I'm liking everything although using aquasuite to configure seems to be a lot quicker and more user friendly than the layers of menus configuring at the unit.
I think I'll start by creating some sort of menu tree guide, there is so much stuff in there I'm getting lost and need a map!
Few days ago flash AE5 LT (firm. 1014) last firmware. All that need been to do is down usb frequence in mouse driver (razer death adder) from 1000 hz to 125 hz. After that Aquero easy flash and work really fine. Before that AE5 dont work properly (but see it in system properties). Maybe it helps some one.
the system is been:
i7-875K
asus p55 sabertooth
580gtx
logitech g15(v1) keyb.
razer deathadder mice
aquero5 lt
Just a update on those who are on the sidelines waiting to purchase a Aquaero (XT | Pro | LT)... I purchased mine recently, well I purchased it a about two months ago but it took a while for AC to have everything I ordered in stock (mainly the AquagraFX blocks), I have have had it up and running for a few weeks now... any-hoot...
I did not have to do the jumper reset, I just plugged in the XT only and installed the Aquasuite 2012, did a firmware update... successfully...
downloaded the "aquasuite_setup_4.72.00" and named the channels on all my Power Adjust 2 to 50, 51 > 55 respectively, 1 per PA2 and each channel must be unique or Aquaero 5 will not recognize all of the attached PA2, this requires each PA2 to be connected to the USB port on the MB individually.. This step is only valid for those who purchased more than one PA2...
Plugged everything in and ran the Aquasuite 2012 Beta 9 and set everything up.. I had it up and running in about a hour or so...
Just a screenshot of the overview page, this thing is "butter"... !!!
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/...AQ3_121501.jpg
Try playing with charts yet ? These are niceQuote:
Originally Posted by frank anderson
http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/z...67/prime95.png
Ooooh tempting!
But I have a question.
I would like to know if the sensors(Temp, Fan Speed etc) can be read by "Open Hardware Monitor" ?
It only works the other way, at least now. Aquasuite can read temps from Open Hardware Monitor but OHM can't read values from Aquasuite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avathar77
I had the same issue flashing. The key is the jumper but I'm not sure why since my unit is brand new. I was about to throw my XT in the garbage until I stumbled on that piece of information. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
Sorry, what do you mean "you may need both RPM and ground wires?" The 450S has a 2-pin molex (yellow & black) for power and a 1-pin molex (blue) for RPM (http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...mp-450s_p0.jpg). The 2-pin molex will be going to another device to power the pump. Can the 1-pin blue wire simply be attached to a XT fan header?Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
So there is no way for the XT to understasnd multiple RPM wires coming from different fans when connected to a single XT fan header via a Y-splitter correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
I installed Open Hardware Monitor, but the Aquasuite wont pick any software sensor. Is there a trick to do it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by mm67
You need modified version of OHM from this thread : http://forum.aquacomputer.de/berwach...nsoren-alpha1/ . I myself use Aida64 but that version of OHM should work too.Quote:
Originally Posted by gmat
I would try just the blue wire connector as is, it should work if it's all grounded to the same PSU, but in testing I've used various power supplies and some times you have to add the ground to complete the pulsing circuit.Quote:
Originally Posted by D749
To get more RPM monitoring channels you would have to expand, I believe you could create up to 10 channels with extras but I haven't dug enough enough to completely understand the options there yet. Every fan controller and MB header is only capable of measuring one fan per series string. It measure "pulses per unit of time", so adding more pulses to that wire would screw up the signal and you get weird readings. There is no way to really fix that other than get more channels or make sure all the fans on that one channel are the same so you assume they are all about that one RPM.
Gotcha. Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
This is a taste of the menu tree format I'm working on.
Only scratched the surface at this point, but it's helping me at least. I just can't remember settings 6 levels deep without a visual guide to go with it.
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/3215/menusample1.png
And here is that scary but necessary recovery mode feature for flashing older firmware:
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7453/aquaero507.jpg
Yep, I tried that.. I did not like it much, nothings wrong with it, just personal preference.. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mm67
I recall reading somewhere a while back (forgot exactly where, here, OC or AC forums) when I was doing my research on this product before buying.. it was not supported, however; with the customize screen that is built into the Aquasuite 2012, you should not need it as it looks a lot better, It would be nice if Aida 64 and Logitech G19 works with it, now that's wishful thinking...Quote:
Originally Posted by Avathar77
You can daisy chain fans, that's my method.. connect power/ground/rpm from XT to first fan, then power/ground only to next fan, so on, so forth.. if you connect rpm from multiple fans, it'll still work but your reading will be way off..Quote:
Originally Posted by D749
Regarding the pump, you can just plug the power directly to a power source and rpm to the Aquaero, that will work too.. The only thing is I don't recall seeing a rpm connector only on the XT (dont confuse the tacho sensor on the AQ or the PA2, I believe that is designed to shut down or send out a speed signal to the MB incase of a alarm action), so this will technically take up one output header on the XT.. The other option is you can connect the fan power/ground to the header and the rpm from the pump to the same header, you would have to make note of this in the "overview" page of the Aquasuite 2012", modify power output of fans but name the RPM to "pump RPM" as a example...
That is correct Martin, max support fan header is 10, 4 on the Aquaero and 6 from Power Adjust 2 upgrades...Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
Fan header 2 on the Aquaero can be changed to a flow sensor via the menu, Power Adjust 2 includes 1 of each (Fan Header aka power output, Flow Sensor, Tach sensor, Temperature sensor).. The english menu was kinda bland, but everything was pretty straight forward since I've been tinkering with this hobby for years.. It's definitely a toy for advanced to intermediate users, novice might have some problem setting it up (which you are definitely not)..
I'm loving the menu layout, it will definitely help.. Have you tinker'd with the Aquasuite beta 2012 yet? I have set that up and have yet look at the screen, I think the buttons and interface becomes just a "bling" factor once you have the Aquasuite 2012 up and running..Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
The only issue I ran into was when attempting to modify the flow sensor calibrations off the Aquasuite 2012, it did not work.. as I am using the latest "high flow" flow sensors directly from Aqua Computers, the default calibration is value (calibration value 256, minimum 0, maximum 0.7), in the AQ5 menu, there is a option to choose which AC flow sensor you are using, once you select the high flow version, the value changes to (calibration value 169, min 0, max 1.3)..
The cool thing is the Aquaero 5 can literally function off the usb 5v standy power on board, not sure how accurate this is as my MB model supports high powered usb devices and was designed to charge iphones/ipads while the system is off or in S3/S1 suspend mode, I have tried this when testing and the AQ5 was able to still read the flow/temp sensors off the AQ5 panel interface.. very cool indeed.. Imagine what I can do with this device in my test bed environment.. :clap:
Also since you have the Aqua pump, can you show a screenshot of the pump setup menu please? much appreciated and Thanks.. I'm curious if it will be worth switching over from my dual D5 to the Aquapump just for the sake of ease of use and the customize features..
Yeah, I figured I'd get familiar with the unit interface and menus first, then the Aquasuite, and finally sort out what if any settings are specific to one or the other. The Aquasuite is definitely the easier way to go for the basic settings, but I can't seem to figure out how to create a logging chart in there yet.
Played a little bit with the pump screens in both, but all I can figure out is how to manually control the pump speed and it doesn't appear the aquabus is picking up RPM. Guessing you have to run the RPM out on the pump and use up one of the channels to read that. I also can not find where you can dynamically control the pump via controls. I would have figured you could plot a curve for speed in Hz relative to water temp, but I'm not seeing that option yet.
Here are a few screens I could capture:
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/6874/aquaero512.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6890/aquaero510.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8422/aquaero509.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8859/aquaero511.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9656/aquaero508.jpg
Maybe there is more I haven't found yet...still figuring out where things are at and have a ways to go.
Hello,
Initially, it was stated (if I'm not mistaken) that it would eventually be possible to use software sensors (coretemp etc) through Aquasuite to control units attached to the aquaero. Has this feature been implemented yet?
There was also talk of possibly being able to link two Aquaero 5 LTs in order to boost the number of fan channels available. Has this also come to fruition yet?
Thanks,
Odai.
First alpha version with that kind of possibilities was just released : http://forum.aquacomputer.de/berwach...nsoren-alpha1/Quote:
Originally Posted by Odai
Nice! Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by mm67
Seems to work ok, although you are limited to four sensors and it needs both programs running continuously (speedfan + AC software sensor tool) in order to communicate down to the AQ5.
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3907/aquaero513.jpg
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/1161/aquaero514.jpg
I don't think you can control the aquastream pump speed via "Controls" though. It picks up the temp sensor and speed in Hz, but no means to control via a curve.
I feel like a kid with the cookie jar. I finally see how you can create charts on your own page...:up:
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1374/aquaero515.jpg
Have you tried virtual sensors yet, I prefer using air-water delta as "control" value since temperature in my room changes all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/z...67/virtual.png
I also don't think that you can use any automatic speed control with Aquastream XT.
No, I hadn't tried the virtual sensor piece yet, I wasn't quite sure what it would even be used for, but now I do..:) Thanks!
(1) What exactly is "Fan 1 Amp Temp?" What do you have hooked up to that sensor?Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
(2) How are you measuring air temperature ("Air Sensor 1")? What type of sensor are you using?
(3) What type of sensor are you using to measure water temperatures ("Water Sensor 1")?
Thanks.
1) That's just the built in AQ5 sensor they normally call "Fan power amplifier", I just renamed it. It has one for each of the four fan channels and also an aquaero CPU temp sensor already built into the unit.
2) I just used one of the included flat style temperature sensors. It's hanging freely in the air, so I called it air. In actual use I could see running a few of these out to the radiator inlet "Air In" side and maybe using another to measure case temp, etc.
3) That's the built in water sensor on the aquastream XT, it comes through with the aquabus connection.
I'm still just tinkering with a demo type setup on my work bench. It's just a small simple loop with the pump/flow sensor/king flow meter and a couple of fans just sitting there. The software sensors (CPU,GPU,MB,HD) are coming from my normal test PC through the USB, but I don't actually have the AQ5 mounted yet...just tinkering so the actual charts are not going to make much sense with the demo setup I'm playing with.
I like the idea of using one of the temperature sensors as an air temp sensor. :up: I'm going to borrow that idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
In regard to point (1) the temperature one sees when connecting a fan to each of the fan channels is actually the temperature on the AQ5 side? At first I thought the AQ5 was somehow reading a temperature from the fan which made no sense to me. Also, what do you mean by "aquaero CPU temp sensor already built into the unit?" Is the AQ5 reading the temperature of the AQ5 processor?
Thanks.
Yeah, I could be wrong, but I'm seeing 5 temp sensor's built into the unit, one for each fan amp and one for the AQ5 CPU. I'm currently only using 2 fan channels and I can clearly see the higher temp of those two amps vs the last two. I don't think it has anything to do with the fan, it's just the heat being dissipated based on the current and reduced voltage setting.
These little fan amp temperatures are what I figured will be the limiting factor in how much fan you can string together and how well the heatsink or waterblock works. I'm not sure the AQ5 CPU temperature is ever a limiting factor, but I haven't really watched it as it's loaded. Perhaps logging all the channels possible, etc might start raising temps...not sure.
That makes sense. Thanks for answering my battery of questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
You bet!
I've got several questions brewing also if anyone knows:
1) What is the "Tacho" port for? I read something about it being used as an "Output", but I can't make sense of where I would use that.
2)High vs Low "Aquabus", I see that High works fine for the Aquastream XT, and the manual said something about low for older devices, what device would need "Low"
3)12V PWM ports, general info on what people are using these for?
4)Standby. I understand it can be used for standby power from a powersupply, but where would you need that when the USB provides standby power?
5)Softouch Buttons stopped working. Not sure what I did, but the remote works fine, just the unit keys stopped working. Not sure when that happened. Anyone else experience that?
1) and 2) from the manual :Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
4.6. Connector “aquabus 1/2”
Connectors for communication with other devices from Aqua Computer. The aquaero 5 features one „low speed“ (aquabus 1) and one „high speed“ (aquabus 2) port.
Products compatible to the “low speed” port:
– multiswitch USB
– tubemeter USB
Products compatible to the “high speed” port:
– aquastream XT
– poweradjust 2 USB (Firmware 1003 or higher)
4.7. Connector „Tacho“
Depending on configuration, the aquaero 5 can generate a speed signal which is available for processing through this connector. This speed signal can for example be configured to cease function upon alarm events and thereby relay the alarm status to a fan connector of your motherboard. Functionality of the speed signal can be configured using the menu entries “Alarm” and “Timer”. For details on how to configure your motherboard to process the speed signal, please refer to the manual of your motherboard.
@Martinm210:
3: These could be used for lighting, such as LED Strips. leds react better to PWM dimming than variable voltage.
4. On the AE4, the standby power adapter was needed for the relay-based emergency shutdown. i have no idea if the ae5 supports emergency shutdown via USB standby power...
Hey Martin, Let me try to give you a quick run down..
1) What is the "Tacho" port for? I read something about it being used as an "Output", but I can't make sense of where I would use that.
This basically sends out a "artificial" speed signal to your motherboard, works like a fan signal, then you can program the MB bios if it reads below a certain number, commence auto shutdown..
2)High vs Low "Aquabus", I see that High works fine for the Aquastream XT, and the manual said something about low for older devices, what device would need "Low"
Pretty much what mm67 said..
3)12V PWM ports, general info on what people are using these for?
max output 1amp, used for low powered devices like LED's, cold cathodes, or anything low powered..
4)Standby. I understand it can be used for standby power from a powersupply, but where would you need that when the USB provides standby power?
Your mainboard would have to support this, most high end enthusiast MB does support USB 5v standby while the system is off or in suspend mode. It actually does not power off the power supply when it is off, I have 2 PSU and 1 is connected to MB/GPUs while the other is connected to the Aquaero/Pumps.. I pulled the plug on the AQ power supply and the unit was still working, so pretty sure it just powers off the USB 5v standby power..
5)Softouch Buttons stopped working. Not sure what I did, but the remote works fine, just the unit keys stopped working. Not sure when that happened. Anyone else experience that?
I have read this before on the AC forum, I believe the person ended up having to RMA the unit.. The other thing is to check to make sure you did not turn them off in the menu, or have the sensitivity setting set too low.. I had to reset to manufacturer default a few times when I first started with this thing, broke a few settings here and there, quite easy to mess things up..
Are the lights lit up? the person mentioned there were no lights.. If all else fails, you can try pulling it apart and putting it back together and making sure the front face plate contacts are pressed against the PCB snuggly.. That or ping Shoggy :)
As for the power outputs and how many fans you put in, I asked shoggy before what were the limits and this was his reply..
Simply put.. I have this in a txt file for reference :yepp:Quote:
Shoggy wrote:
---------------------------------
I don't know the exact temperatures. Somewhere around 85°C it set the power to 100% and somewhere around 95°C it should turn off.
Each channel on the aquaero can take a load of 19,8W @ 12V while the overall power combined can not exceed 60W. The poweradjust 2 can take 25W at 12V. Of course it does not count in for the aquaero since it uses its own power supply and cooling.
---------------------------------
Sincerely,
Your Aqua Computer Forum Team
Aquearo
1-4 channel
19.8W / 1.65A per channel
combined 60w / 5A
Power Adjust 2
5-10 channel
25w / 2.08A per channel
Temperature Threshold: 85c - 95c
Hope this helps... oh yes, and the less volts you run thru it, the hotter it gets, best to use a water block on the AQ unit, I have a Antec Spot Cool pointing at my Power Adjusts.. highest I see it go now is about low 50's.. if set to 100% max voltage output, the unit does not heat above 35c..
Thanks!
I'll add that into my review/guide as a placeholder although I'll see what I get in testing too..:) The good news is you could target the amp temp sensors and create a smart cooling fan to help with that. There is also the waterblock. That will be the better part of the "Test" portion I'll be working on though.
BTW, I found a bug. I didn't quite understand the whole PC vs Aquareo remote control thing until I started typing on the screen with the remote!
Pretty cool being able to surf the web and type via the remote control.
But... the "y" and "z" are backwards only in PC mode. They are mapped correctly in Aquaero mode, but PC mode is backwards.
Anyhow, after playing with it for a couple of days, I am starting to feel more comfortable with the overall operation...it's just a lot more advanced than I thought and more features/settings than I expected.
Definitely a cool tinkering toy for those that want control over everything...:)
Would anyone answer me?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeandroJVarini
thks!
Not enough detail in the question. If it were 2 ea 6 watt pumps or aquastream pumps and 1 watt fans, then no problem, but there is a huge range of powers in pumps/fans out there. You need to research your particular parts and figure out how much current draw each one will take.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeandroJVarini
Frank listed the 12V fan channel numbers:
I haven't started any testing on my unit yet, but I know for sure that the limit of power is going to depend on how much you lower voltage and the heatsink or waterblock solution used. The fan amps on the AQ5 share the same heatsink or waterblock, so the heat limiting will be the combined of all channels.Quote:
Aquearo
1-4 channel
19.8W / 1.65A per channel
combined 60w / 5A
Power Adjust 2
5-10 channel
25w / 2.08A per channel
There are also options such as using PWM pumps such as the MCP35X and only using the fan channel 4 to feed PWM signal. These PWM pumps don't draw power from that connection, it's just speed control so no load issue there. The aquastream pump also doesn't draw power from the controller, it just needs an aquabus connector to control the pump.
So...it really depends on what pumps and what fans...you need to figure out the current draw.
I would probably plan on a PA2 if planning to control the power of a typical DDC/D5 type pump myself, but a fan channel would probably handle a 12W DDC3.15 type DDC or a D5basic (Setting 4) model on a channel using those suggested amperage limits. Each of those pumps only draws around 12-14 watts. The higher speed flavors however could be drawing upwards of 22 watts which exceeds the 19W AQ5 limit and would be much more fitting of the 25 watt PA2 limit. Of coarse with pumps it also depends on restriction level.
A D5 setting 5 could be anywhere from 18watts under high restriction conditions clear to 22 watts under very low restriction conditions:
http://martinsliquidlab.files.wordpr...-pqsummary.png
One more good review of aquero 5 xt from hw-lab. In russian, but you can use google translate(for example). Much info about setting aquasiute 2012. May some on it be usefull. enjoy :)
link:http://ru.hw-lab.com/aquaero-5-xt-review.html
Martinm210: that's why i want to see real test with high load pumps included, as by specs AA5 shouldn't be handling D5 pumps, but read this thread through .. IIRC there was one guy with AA5+LC block regulating even two D5, with little juice left for few fans. Just that pumps use fixed amount of power at preset speeds, so maybe for nice charts (W on channel/AA temps) some artificial regulatable load maybe of better use to get full range of AA5 capabilities even below and above what pumps provide (and what specs tell :)).
BTW, imho one rather important point of article linked above is how close is active air cooling vs lc block for AA5.
Yeah it was a good detailed review. I learned several things reading through that.looks like they pushed it to around 4A even with the passive heatsink without hitting any thermal limiters although 90C is pretty darn toasty.
I have about three D5varios and half a dozen different DDCs that should make pretty good loading tools with the vario feature. I also have about 50-60 fans sitting in a box doing nothing..:)
Only problem with the D5's as test subjects it their rather high minimum voltage being around 8 volts and most high speed fans are similarly low volt unfriendly. I'll figure out a good set of test conditions, but I'm not going to be happy until I see the full 5A or a limiter kick in..:D