my 64 bit vista ultimate went through without a hitch....
you did revert to stock before installing right?
my 64 bit vista ultimate went through without a hitch....
you did revert to stock before installing right?
Ace.....bad Vista DVD's are circulating around.....I will try vista in a week or 2 and let you know if I can get it to install
Im running Vista 32 ultimate system builder version with no problems. I am still running the bios the board shiped with and i have been running a 6750 at 450 fsb mem 1:1 for a week now with no problems. I havent got it stable over 450 yet but havent really been trying either.
i had problems with dissapering drives on the micron controller (ide), it stopped once i upper the sb voltage
Yeah over 450 I start having problems with my raid 1, and random crashing when i use the dvdrom. A bump in the sb volts would prolly fix that up but I plain on replacing this chip with the 8500 so I shouldnt need more then 450 anyway.
i guess it is the disc and the board bios...i have bumpred the SB and NB voltages way high...it's really weird...i can start doing tasks in vista desktop and bam, it just freezes...i haven't tried true stock speed but i will give that a shot...BUT...that ain't going to cut it if i am stopped from overclocking!
i might have to buy another OEM vista disc...we'll see....will let you know how stock speed works out.
the next thing i could try is running vista setup on my Areca card with two drives to see if i get the same thing...i can't wait for the excitement to start on that!!!:D...i spent all day yesterday trying to make this work...gave up just before midnight!
@Ace
Did you try vista without the areca contoller?
I am now running vista64 and 2 samsung f1's with the onboard raid controller.(raid0) Had bluescreen and lockup problems before with both areca and 3ware controllers.After a hussle with permanent hd activities on vista i am now satisfied. ( they came mainly from the vss service ). I have the gskills you have and running the machine q6600@9x400.
Bios is 12/18
Is the UT X38 for sale anywhere yet? What does it have to offer over the LT X38?
AFAIK it will never be for sale, only the LT version. the only difference is that the UT is orange and has a heatpipe
yes, it was the first thing i did; use the intel raid chipset...i tried all combinations...i guess i will buy an upgrade vista ultimate disc which comes with a 32 and 64 bit discs...do you know the trick on installing an upgrade disc on a hard drive that does not have any OS?:) ..i do!;)Quote:
Originally Posted by deckard
XP works flawlessly at 4400 mhz...can even install it at that mhz...it's the bios and OEM disc that is not compatible...the vista OEM disc works just fine on asus P5B and my Abit IP35 Pro.
the GSkill is a good buy for 8gb's...AND...you can overclock another 200+ points.
i think that i am going to dump this board and go back to the Pro....this board has worn me out.:(
hey guys, is it possible that if you increase the cpu vtt and nb voltage it becomes less stable?
I had it priming for 2hrs then it failed so i increased the vtt and nb voltage and now it fails in first 15mins.. why is this?
what voltage are u running, i have 1.5nb and 1.6vtt
I had mine as
CPU - 1.3
VTT - 1.4
NB - 1.36
Now that i lowered the vtt one notch its priming agian for 20mins and counting
Btw this is with cpu at 400x9
Just got a new quad and its amazing
Hello,
I'm owner of DFI LP P35 board and I think it was a good buy... Now I'm facing a new deal - I need to buy another mobo, when i bought the P35, the X38 one wasn't aviable, so now I'm facing the problem which to choose.
If this, I'm gonna choose HD3870s in cross, if P35, the GTS 512.
But - is it worth to buy this (more expensive) board? I read all the thread and haven't found any answer for this question...
I was thinking bout the Maximus Formula one, but I fell in love with DFI... :)
Thanx for replyes!
PS: Sorry, I'm not a native English speaker.
the maximus will give an easier oc the dfi will be a pain until u figure it out (looks like u have since u have the p35) and once u understand the boards issues it will give u a better oc in the end
u also get 3 pci-e16x slots (2 16x2.0 and 1 4x electrical) so u could run 3 cards when CCC 8.1 is out
At home, I have both DFI and ASUS boards - DFI P35, ASUS P965 (P5B Dlx) and P35 (Blitz Formula) so I know the BIOS structure and complexity.
But, do you think, the X38 is better than P35? Anyway I'm almost decided - X38 T2R...
x38 is better with multi gpu and the pci-e2 bandwidth and 2 fill pci-e2 16x slots hlp with that, but the p45 is out this month and it will have 2 pci-e2 8x slots and the ich10r SB so that might be what u want if price is a concern it will probly be $160-200
I don't care about the price.
One more question - will the heatpipe set from P35 board fit onto the X38 one?
the heatpipe is a downgrade but the transpiper for the PWM might help
pls could someone guess, what can i achieve with this board and 4x2Gb sticks on powerchip (like g.skill f2, ocz reaper x etc)?
Can someone confirm the compatibility of this mainboard with an Enzotech Ultra-X (concerning the NB-HS)?
comming from gigabyte p35 and owning a x38-dq6 for 3 weeksQuote:
Originally Posted by daniel.j
i can say i love the board
when i got the board p35 was only 40$ cheaper so was worth it for me
but i dont see any big advantage over the p35 for now
need some bios updates to get better
when i clocked 4 sticks 1200+ on this board it just showed me it has potential
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Originally Posted by deckard
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Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
my board (bios) stinks to high heaven!:down:
i wasted $250 to buy a new vista disc and it's the board and bios that is keeping me from having a stable vista...this sucks big time...NO MORE oscar wu...disappoint me only once and the bad mark last forever!
i got suspicious when Brother was selling bios chips...DFI users must have a high failure rate for whatever reasons...i took the battery out to clear cmos and then moved the RTC jumper to let it sit overnight for about 8 hours...put it all back together this morning and all my settings were gone from the CMOS Reload section..expected!...so...i played with some of the genie settings...it went out of parameters and i don't know why...it gave me the memory beep out of range but i didn't touch any memory settings...i powered down and then powered up and low and behold my CMOS RELOAD settings were all restored...how it do THAT!...i cleared all that stuff out overnight!!!
WELL...I GIVE UP with this DFI board...going to sell this baby at a good discount...it will be posted up soon in this forum...back to my IP 35 Pro board where stress free and hassle free is the nickname of the PRO board...AND...it runs vista without a hitch overclocked to its fullest!;)
I don't have the faintest idea why the Reloaded settings would have appeared to be gone after clearing the CMOS. The fact that your settings reappeared is what should always happen. The Reloaded settings are not stored in the BIOS chip. The utility required to wipe those settings is not available to the public. Once settings are stored the only thing the user can do is overwrite them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
but those settings were gone after resetting the 2 jumpers back to normal...they didn't come back until after i got the memory out of tolerance beeps...my reloaded settings were all gone...everything was blank and suddenly they are there after powering down from the beeping memory out of tolerance sound.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praz
tell me what the RTC is for on page 16 of the manual...it is right next (parallel) to the CMOS jumper...it reads like it resets those settings when the battery is out and jumper set just like you are clearing the cmos.
strange, very strange, WEIRD board!...could be the QX9650 causing it to act weird...the DTS temp readouts are defective, IMO...going to take a $200 hit to replace the CPU with clubit.com...the reason for the $200 hit is that i recycled the packaging...darn!...wish i wasn't so green!:D;)
EDIT:...thought you should know that intel won't honor their warranty when it comes to DTS readings...this tech support guy said, don't worry about the temps...no need to track them if you overheat...the board will shutdown automatically once it receives the signal from the processor...DO YOU BELIEVE THAT!
Well, got mine today, will not have time to throw in the quad till wednesday though...
Ace-a-Rue, your posts have been great, I am looking to do better than my 3.825 24/7 crunching on WCG cpu load @ 100%, which I have been, and am currently doing on my striker extreme. Hoping for the promised land of 4GHZ 24/7 stable. We shall see, as long as I can equal the 24/7 clocks I will be happy though, just to be done with the nvidia chipset.
good luck...is your new quad a QX9650?...if so, will be interested in hearing how it goes especially with vista install...XP SP2 was fine at 4400 mhz...vista was touch-n-go at stock speeds...it is either the bios or a combination of the bios and 9650 when it comes to installing and making vista work.
i am about ready to shutdown and pull the 9650 (to send back to clubit.com for replacement)...i think i will insert my Q6600 to see if that coooperates with the bios and vista...if it does, then i would lean more towards something is wrong with the 9650.
quick questions guys, between nb and vtt voltages, what is the more important factor in gettin a quad stable?
During prime if the prime95 program shuts off or computer reboots w/out a bsod it means it lacking voltages right?
:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by speedlimiter
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
No, Q6600, will probably grab QX9770 when they become available though. My first EE cpu, but the high fsb, low multi options of the other Yorkies do not leave much headroom for clocking, so given no choice it looks like.
It's for resetting the Real Time Clock which is part of the Southbridge in case of battery removal. I've never needed to do that though so not sure what circumstances warrant it's use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
The only way Intel will do anything is to run the CPU on one of their boards so you would be able to monitor temps with their software.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
I'll be loading both 32 and 64 Bit Vista this weekend with a Q6600. Will post any issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
Kind of like asking winch is more important, food or water. The right amount of both are required to clock the processor. VTT has a large effect on processor speed as it is the setpoint for the GTL swings. The NB voltage is influenced quite a bit by memory speed and timings.Quote:
Originally Posted by lazy
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Originally Posted by Praz
Very much looking forward to your results with Q6600, saw your post with settings for 3.6 with moderate voltage changes. If you have a chance would like to see some settings for 425-450x9 3.825-4.05ghz would be great. Curious if it is possible to get that 24/7 stable on this board.
That's really more dependent on the processor then the board. Q6600 processors as a group normally require the voltages pushed too far for true 24/7 stability at those speeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by linflas
Quote:
Originally Posted by Praz
Im not too concerned about memory right now, just want to get my quad stable.
So VTT has an larger affect, thank you
Yeah, I realize that those are pretty CPU dependent speeds, I am currently 3.825 24/7 stable crunching @ 100% cpu on WCG on a Striker Extreme. 1.47V on the cpu, was hoping for 4GHZ on the DFI @ ~1.55V, we shall see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praz
I am impatient to get started with this board, but want to wait for my graphics cards to arrive, not till Wednesday for those. So going to have to live vicariously through the rest of you.
Any help or suggestions you might be willing to give regarding setting up the bios on this board would be appreciated. It has been a long while since I have had a DFI board, and that one was AMD, so all new, and all fun this time around.
from my experience with the q6600 on this board I would say the 1.55 range is correct for 4ghz on this board, however I think your pwm and nb voltages for that clock (@current bios version) will be very high. It's worth a shot, I'm betting you will see a gain at the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by linflas
Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
Thanks for the input snipe, any chance you wanna post some of your bios settings, and what you have accomplished.
All the help I can get to make this a smooth transition would be appreciated.
Thanks
OK!...back up with the DFI board and my 'good' Q6600...booted into windows XP and Vista 32 OEM at 3960 mhz....as far as i can tell, the board and this processor are working fine...SO...what i think what went wrong was the QX9650 was defective and freaking intel tech support guy wouldn't listen.
anyway, i need to know who has a 9650 on this board and can boot into vista 32 or 64 overclocking the heck out of the cpu?...tell me your mhz and what bit version of vista.
So how are these boards treating you guys?
im liking it, other than vista sp1 tweaking it out with loosing usb drives ive had no problems. im going 4.2ghz hopefully with my new enzotech
u guys need to stop changing avatars it freaking me out
Good with a e6850. I just installed a q6600 in last night,, bench's today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
I hope dfi comes out with a bios to support the Wolfdales and Yorkfields,the ones with the ".5" multiplier, before the chip does..
i thought they would do that strait off the bat?Quote:
Originally Posted by OnDborder
i get mine sometime next week :D
The support will be there. The highlighted entry is for half multipliers.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnDborder
http://www.edgeofstability.com/images/x38lt/misc/n2.jpg
the last bios they took off their website has point '5' multi support.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnDborder
anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
Is anyone connecting the floppy power connectors when running 2 Graphics cards. I just saw them in the manual, and it asks they be plugged in for multiple gpu support. I will be running two 3870's using an OP1000 PSU, is this really necessary, as some modification to my PSU will be necessary, as only one floppy connector is available on the PSU.
I do.. Haven't tried without though.
Thanks for the response on the .5 question.
the mcw30 seems like it is too small to cover the whole northbridge ..... do you think it will be adequate?
Works fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2000army
is anyone using any 3rd party memory coolers on this board with the stock heatsink? i.e. the thermalright hr-07's?
looking at the pics it doesnt look like there would be enough room for them?
if you put the low hr-07 duo next to the nb HS then you will be ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
to address the floppy power on the board, I found an adapter that came with my hx620 that had 2 floppy power from one 4 pin molex, I used this (see pics in build log in sig) it works perfect with minimal clutter
are the two parts that ive ringed in red the connectors for the floppy power?
no, there is one by each of the 16x pci-e slot, you have only one circled.
the circle by the sb hs is not a floppy connector
ah i see the 2nd one now.
bit silly if you ask me, makes running cables a mess but ill see how i like it when mine arrives
I just made these today to deal with it, from an old PSU that blew, I cut and kept the wiring, should work out OK, I am not a cable management kind of guy, so will work for me.
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6800/floppysu5.jpg
Nice.. Thanks for the idea. I'll think I'll copy that. I was going to buy one but I know I've got some dead/obsolete psu's laying around.
I've finally had time to play with my replacement board, but it looks like the crazy voltage issues I had before are still there. Maybe it's the BIOS, but certain settings have unexpected results. I'm pretty sure that's what killed my last board as at one point all my voltages were reading at 2.03. On this new board, I found that both 1.543 and 1.555 on the NB are broken. When I chose it, the one time I was able to get into the BIOS my NB voltage read at 1.8 and the jump in temps reflected the change. I should have taken a pic when I saw it, but didn't. I'm pretty sure it's not a fluke as a fully stable system will not boot when I change from 1.530 to either 1.543 or 1.555. So be careful choosing voltages, double check in the BIOS or with a multimeter after each change. Hopefully it's just a BIOS problem.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark79
well, that is a bit nervewracking, thanks for the heads up.
Unable to reproduce the voltage issue. If anything the board slightly undervolts at these settings.
http://edgeofstability.com/images/x38lt/misc/1_530.jpg
http://edgeofstability.com/images/x38lt/misc/1_543.jpg
http://edgeofstability.com/images/x38lt/misc/1_555.jpg
Thanks for the follow up praz, nice to know it may be just a glitch.
Boy I am impatient to get on this board, I should have not been such a cheapskate with shipping on my video cards.
hey guys,
can anyone confirm if this board has problems booting with ballistix strait away? or do you need some el-cheapo ram to set he bios first?
i heard lots of comments abt this board loves crucial 8500...i wonder how does team xtreem 8500 do on this board also the team xtreem 6400
Praz, what BIOS are you using? I'm on the 12/18 (same as the last board).Quote:
Originally Posted by Praz
No problems with 4x1GB 8500 Tracers here. Will boot with all 4 sticks in at stock BIOS values.Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
12/28Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark79
Updated BIOS and still getting the problem. Was finally able to boot it to get the snapshot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praz
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...9/voltage1.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...9/voltage2.jpg
1.530 and 1.579 work. Everything in between gives me weird values. Also, the GTL setting for the NB always reverts to 110 (it was at 115 with the others before I rebooted)
Most likely sensor error although there could be issues with the divider circuit. You will have to take a voltage reading to know for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark79
I'm not so sure it's just a sensor error as the first screen with my 24/7 voltages won't boot if I select 1.555 but will if I choose 1.579. I think I'll just avoid those settings :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Praz
Also, have you checked the other voltage readings? Just wondering how much of a difference between BIOS setting and actual there is. I don't have a working one or I'd check myself.
Is anyone here running a Q6600 at 4GHz? if they are mind sharin your bios template?
Also i have a set of Tracers 8500 and it doesnt want to boot at its stock speeds (1066MHz @ 2.19v)
Does this mean i got a bad set?
what size fan does the notrhbridge heatsink take? is it 60 or 70mm?
4ghz is what killed my dominator, or at least the pursuit of 4ghz...
I'm at 3.681 24/7 stable with my new ram (1gb ballistix 6400 x 4)
in my case it is confirmed that in x64 os 4 sticks is more stable than 2 at FSB = 460
EDIT: i use an 80 on the NB, 60 is too small, doesn't cool sufficiently
interesting where's the vcore, NB, vdimm, sb/cpu pll, and cpu vtt read points on DFI LT X38 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Praz
I made up a few of these Y-connectors quite a while ago. They come in handy for any board that haver one or two floppy connectors for additional power.
http://www.edgeofstability.com/images/y_connector.jpg
Can use the same points I posted for the P35. CPU GTL components and traces have been rerouted but the MOSFETs are on the same area of the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
yup those Y connectors are useful. Corsair PSUs come with one of these.
Anyway I just bought the motherboard on hpm computers, it should arrive in about 2 weeks then I can start testing :)
that's where i just got mine from :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Den Leiw
does anybody know where i can get one of these in the UK? the only place i can find that stocks dfi mobo's is ebuyer & they don't have the x38.
ive never found it this hard to get hold of a newly relesed board :shrug:
i've had mine imported from https://www.hpm-computer.de/Quote:
Originally Posted by deadman'sclick
@George.........are you having any issues with you're QX9650 on the D.F.I X38?Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
JimmyZ seems to be having issues with his when changing Bios settings and the only way he can get it to boot without a 88 error code is by putting in his E6600 booting then removing it and installing the QX9650:confused:
Well Praz where can I get one of those and what are there function in the DFI X38? EDIT: I got them on eBay...
Mine is running 2 x ATI HD3870 in Crossfire with them disconnected till I find the connector (all online stores only sell them as 4pin Molex to only 1 FDD).
Thanks!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Praz
Get it from Here.........http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16812101106
I made mine. The link Campbell posted is the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
Great guys thanks!
But how can my mobo work without those?
What are their real function?
thanks for that link, Bro!:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
Cheaper here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWN:IT&ih=019
i had issues with my qx9650 on this DFi board with vista...XP was fine!...i'm waiting for a new 9650 (a week wait)...my original cpu had a locked DTS core #0 temp...it actually would go up only after overclocking and running wprime 1024M bench...at stock speed, it never budged.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
so...it is either a crappy bios with vista for the 9650 or it was a defective 9650...i will know in a week...i currently have my Q6600 in and it's working very nicely both in XP and vista overclocking at 3960 mhz...vista even installed at that frequency...couldn't even come close to doing that with vista and the 9650.
^ that's very weird :\
Update on those trying to buy this mobo in US or CA:
Motherboardpro's are out of the DFI x38. Next batch coming from Taiwan arrive on Friday 01/11/08.
Look's like Alternate.de or at have them also I'm still wating on mine but hope this week it'll arrive and I can start UP with it :D
Thanks Jor3lBR. Any ideas on whether other etailers will get this board on or about that time frame? Also, looking through thread now, but does TRUE fit w/ NB fan cooler?
i agree...i won't bad mouth this board any longer until i pinned down this odd behavior with my old 9650..actually, truth be known, it is working nicely with my Q6600 in vista and xp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
does this really help get the board stable?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
This has always been my thought concerning boards that provide this option. Providing multiple voltage supply points will never hurt stability and is actually easier on the traces so why not use them. The one possible exception to this is power supply rail mismatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by lazy
thanks origin_unknown ,i'll have to order 1 tomorrow :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
i was going to order tonight but the online payment looks a pain unless uve got a paypal account which i hav'nt.
how long did ure board take to ship over & did u use UPS shipping?
thanks again :up:
deadman's
The Power connectors are there for a reason guys........To be used, so you should use them.
So is no one using this board and a q6600 clocked higher then 3.6?!?
Quote:
Originally Posted by deadman'sclick
I'm not sure yet, only ordered it on sat :rofl:
yeah, i decided to get the better shipping to be fair, with it having to come from abroad i'd prefer better tracking
haven't tried my QX9650 on this board yet... so not sure.. IIRC there was a beta bios for DFI X38 for QX9770 only allowed 400FSB Strap and 1:1 to work.. other dividers didn't work... so has he tried sticking to only 1:1 divider for QX9650 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
Ah found those points seem all points won't allow using a test probe clip for hands free DMM measurement though ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Praz
Looks like my second board is dead now too. Worked fine last night, but then shut down abruptly. I booted into the BIOS and the PWM temp was reading 86C I rebooted to make sure it wasn't a sensor glitch but it stayed the same. So I shut it down and went to bed. Came back to it this morning and it won't post. Just shows a couple lines on the error LEDs just like the last board. I think I'm giving up on this board and going with an Asus. For me these X38-T2Rs have voltage issues that keep killing the boards.
Hands free can be a little tricky. This is the setup I use. It's a Quick Probe SMD testing device made by AG Devices. With 3 or 4 of them and a multi-channel scope can go through the measurements pretty quick once setup is done.Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
http://www.agdevices.com/graphics/qp_old_new_use.jpg
I tried everything. three bios's, swapped boards and chips so many times I lost count. 9650 will work for 1 boot then 88 code, or no l.e.d., tried the new beta for the 9770 even. so far in 96 hours of owning this board I have only had the yorkfield running for about five hours.never even got a boot on the p-35. very dissapointing.Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
despite my love of dfi I am buying a board that will support my processor. I plan to hold on to this board (I already insulated it for phase:( ). if dfi does not come through with a stable bios by ther end of january I will not buy any more dfi products.
clearly they know about the problems, they have not addressed them and continue to advertise that it is compatible, which it is not.
all the performance in the world is worthless if it will not boot....:shakes:
jimmyz those are some strong words! hopefully the get it sorted as i've just bought one and i want a q9450