Sure it works, with vcore on auto.. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
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Sure it works, with vcore on auto.. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
F4J has been completely solid for me, I'd recommend it any day. No worries about your english, your message is as clear as day :) :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kimi.Rk
I was using F4j for the X58-Extreme and that was solid for me. I tried the F4m and when I run everest, I keep locking up when it goes to read the L3 cache write part.
I've upped the voltages and same thing.
Does anyone have any similar experiences?
I'm going to re-install everest again and if it keeps happening, then I'll be forced to go back to F4J
I will probably never flash above J. My clocks are bang on, and when I add the liquids in the next couple of days, I expect even better results. Heat's my only challenge right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukee
I said stock, not auto :pQuote:
Originally Posted by jcool
I always put in main stock values manually. If it doesn't work for anyone does GB give a reason?
I'm still skeptical. .
can we use this pencil mod for the ud5 aswell ? or is it different for ud5 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by hicookie
Yes,this vomd works for EX58-UD5,UD4(P),and EXTREME.Quote:
Originally Posted by freshy
Its very easy to use pencil-mod, if you don't like it just remove it via using
a eraser.:)
Yes, i use my Olympus E1 and a cheap n old all manual OM len (50mm).Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Thanks! Then believe for the moment to stay with f3 because f4j not me peace much. Believed that with bios 4 l or 4 m had improved.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
F3 was actually fine for me, the only reason why I switched to F4J was because I wanted a locked turbo multi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kimi.Rk
What was your issue with F4J?
With f4j and system default every a lot of does sudden reset with f3 no! With f3 works evil the disturb turbo. I must try again f4j. . . :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
I think i might have been over-volting my memory before (1.75v), when i was trying 10x multi with 20x uncore, and it couldn't boot.
Now 1650mhz booted + priming with 1.68v.
I don't think this will turn out to be useful after all though, i just checked my memory bandwidth at this setting and i'm down to 13500 read!!! This is from 16000+ on the higher bclock with 8x memory multi. Obviously the lower uncore frequency is hampering my IMC's performance.
So anyone trying to run lower bclock with 10x memory 20x uncore, who can't get it to work, don't bother it's not worth trying :rolleyes:
you have a fan on those bad boys? Might be just heat holding you back, but I am positive that binning has taken a whole new direction with the i7 1.65v requirement. That will change as time rolls on of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
Not specifically, but they aren't getting that hot, not as hot as my previous kit for sure. They're in a pretty cool section of TJ07 with those 120mm intake/outtake fans in the corner.
The dimms will do 1660mhz at 1.68v, but 1670mhz is failing in under a minute even at up to 1.8v. I might just have some crap memory, but i'm sure they're the same samsung ic's i had before and they should be going higher than this. The worst thing is i don't even know how much voltage is really being put into memory, what program will tell you this?
I miss Aegis Panel on my blackops :D
Easytune will give you a read iirc. I've never used the Aegis Panel...Black Ops boards were none-existent in Canada when they released, to my dismay :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
But I do miss my Smart Guardian :)
Like I was saying; speed binning for memory took a huge turn for the worse as far as getting those golden sticks so if you're going to chase the high clocks, just go right to highest end that you can afford.
BobbyLite has some pretty interesting memory speed comparo's in his link, check that out before you put too much faith in memory speed. From what we've seen it has almost zero impact on benchmark performance, going from 1200 to 1600.
Well EIST with altered Vcore never did work with any Asus or Gigabyte mobo before, so I wouldn't expect it to work here ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
- What are the differences between UD5 and Extreme? It's just the cooling?
- Is Extreme just for watercooling, or can I just use it with the heatpipes? Is the waterblock removable or exchangeable, like BloodRage?
And finally, are this boards better than the ASUS X58?
Thanks! :up:
That's major suckage, it's a great feature once you have your final overclock down. No need to be pumping 1.45v 4.3ghz when browsing youtube!Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
If i knew about this, i probably would have went with the Bloodrage.. I guess i'll have to read up on this 'pencil mod'
Yeah i always knew i would probably end up below 1600mhz and just tuning timings, would have been nice to have another decent overclockable memory though. I've not given up yet. I can't find a review for my kit but i found some for other 1.65v kits, and the review i was reading (legit reviews kingston ram) they were scared to push past 1.65v so resorted to raising QPI instead. I'll try that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
Found the voltage reporting tab in Easytune, though it doesn't show QPI voltage unfortunately. Seems the board is undervolting my ram by .2v, still doesn't explain why i'm having trouble though :mad:
No one knows and the people that do i believe are not allowed to say :clap: Others will tell you one way or the other so there's little way to really know for sure :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Crow-
No you don't have to watercool the NB on the extreme - i tried and it leaked. I'm not sure if you can take the thing off without taking the whole cooling mount off with it, and i have no idea about the Asus.
I take it we can add Foxconn to the short list of mobos that can work EIST with any Vcore then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
So it's Abit (which is no more.. *cry*) DFI and Foxconn yet..
Good thing my personal X58 mobo is gonna be the DFI :wasntme:
Not that I ever idle of course (runninmg WCG 24/7). Just on principle :ROTF:
Well the blackops sure handled it no sweat. Been a few months but if i remember correctly it dropped to 1.35v for me, along with multi to 6x (OC was 9.5x and 1.45v) It got crazy BSOD on your ass if you tried to use sleep mode though :D Vdroop on that board was really not bad at all, it was pretty angelic actually compared to this. I guess you don't appreciate that stuff til you have a board that's not so good.. The big kicker is that i decided against the Bloodrage based pretty much on the pci-e slot placement, which wouldn't allow triple-SLI. Now i've decided to go for 2 GTX295's, so it would have been fine >.>Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
I didn't know this EIST with manual vcore was a big issue, only 2 companies have boards that can do this?!
P.s just done a fresh install of vista after trying to run 165bclk QPI 24x Uncore 24x corrupted one of the disks in my raid 0 array.
I thought these were supposed to max out @ 4ghz, not mess up your data, any thoughts?
As far as I can tell Extreme is same as UD5 except the extreme cooling. If that is case, I bought the Extreme and converted it into the UD5. But that being said, I really like the board.
You can remove the waterblock (4 screws, so should be able to replace as well) and not install the big ugly pcie slot cooling accessory (which decreased nb temps only 1-2c). My prime 12hr NB temps were 53-55C max (software) 46-47C (IR gun to bottom cooling block). I took the WB (empty) and the pcie cooling off and just put a spot fan on bare nb cooler (in pic I turned spotfan down out of way, usually is directly on top of NB sink), now max load NB temps 47C (software), and 40C IR gun to cooling block. Not that lowering temps would or did do anything for ocing anyways...just had the fans.
Hi
hi have this board whith F3 bios a 920 , dual channel corsair 1600, 4870 X2 and a sata DVD
i Can't install windows vista!
when he instalation come to expands file de software says can't copy necessary files!
no board errors no anything?
plase can help me? thanks
P:D i can't upodate bios with USB stick... Q-flash not chaek USB ports...
Help plase
So, if the extra cooling isn't that good, the best choice would be UD5?Quote:
Originally Posted by rge
Because, UD5 is like 50€ cheaper than extreme...
Cool thing is, you can add your own waterblock on the NB (threads FTW) and not have to mod anything else. Watercool NSB-1 fits perfectly, for example ;)
Can't do that on the UD5. So I'd say UD5 for air, Extreme for water...
I am flashing with usb key and think all others are too, you must see it but need be fat 32, if formatted ntfs q-flash cant see the partitionQuote:
Originally Posted by AcUaViVa
Yep, what Jcool said. If you want to watercool NB then extreme, otherwise UD5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crow-
With NB temps 47C with spot fan and IMC on cpu, Im not going to bother with wc NB. On other hand extreme was only $30 more when I purchased, not that much diff. in price here.
just got the GTZ installed, now maybe I can open this beeyotch up :)
since your not using turbo why are you hiding the 4th thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
Hiding? give me an effing break lol. And what does turbo have to do with it? Are you implying core3 was failed?Quote:
Originally Posted by safan80
hey guys, i got a question, first i got 4ghz 14 hours prime stable with 1.375v vcore , qpi/vtt 1.315v
then i flashed to f4n and i needed more vcore so i flashed back to f4k and i still needed more vcore so i ended up doing 21 hours of prime @ 4ghz @ 1.395v vcore
anyway i was folding with 2 smp clients and when i got up this morning the pc had crashed, but when it crashes it doesnt just restart , it kinda just hangs and my gpu fan revs flat out until i push the restart button,
anyone else getting that when it crashes ?
and why is it crashing after 21 hours of prime small ftt, i also ran memtest86 ver 2.10 to test memory and that was ok :shrug:
It looks like you were trying to show load temp with prime. If you want to show cpu load temps with prime run Small FFts.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
Also enable all 8 threads, as it puts more load onto the cpu.Quote:
Originally Posted by safan80
dudes, it was the first minute that I fired it up, just comparing my temps from air. Jesus lol.
Blend gives hotter temps on the i7...at least what I've tested so far.
lol why are u giving him a hard timeQuote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
btw if you do want to test for highest temps with prime smallFFT is the hardest usually
its in fat32... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghigo
any suguestion?
Dinos,Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
usually SmallFFT gives the highest temps all right, but I noticed something different with i7 as well.
Like I said in a previous post, I ran prime blend for 53 hours on a customer rig and started off with around 50C on all cores after 30 minutes.
At the end, it stabilized at around 60C, while watertemp didn't change that much (was with 8 threads enabled though). Strangely I saw that high temp on a larger FFT (4096k I think it was) than smallFFT :shrug:
Just format your usb flash drive to fat32, That's what i did.Quote:
Originally Posted by AcUaViVa
yeah if you prime for longer than an hour any test will have roughly the same tempsQuote:
Originally Posted by jcool
initial start...first say half hour SmallFFT and LargeFFT tend to be hotter
Given the i7's IMC I guess a higher VTT could well make prime blend hotter than just small or larger ffts.
Sounds like a solid enough theory to me.
Running 12GB of ram, 170BCLK and 1,45V QPI/VTT like I said...
Well remember the description for small FFT "data fits into l2 cache, not much ram used", so i'd assume that means it doesn't go into the l3 cache either, which is the largest cache. Blend will put load on the uncore aswell so not surprising to see temps higher.
Quote:
Originally Posted by fornowagain
Exactly. Different architecture different test methods.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
I was always a small fft guy with previous l2 cache dependent cpu's, but with the i7 I found blend gave the hottest temps the fastest because it is working that IMC.
http://users.telenet.be/nils-marleen/3837B.jpg
This is my 24/7 setting for so far. 2 hrs prime stable is more than enough for me. I did it with Bios F4r and the following bios settings:
http://users.telenet.be/nils-marleen/BEST
Now i want to push it a little further to 4.2 Ghz also with HT On but prime 95 fails in 2 minutes, even with 1.392 Vcore. I also tried some additional cooling to the north bridge but nothing helps. Can someone plz give me a tip how to achieve 4.2 24/7 stable?
Thanks.
CPU Batch is 3837B194
Still priming, but most likely my 24/7 settings minus HT becase well...I'm a gamer and HT doesn't give me anything but heat.
Nilos, I have the identical cpu batch as you. I'm using 1.4 in bios, which gives 1.376 idle and returns with 1.344v load. QPI/VTT is at 1.335. To keep these levels air isn't going to cut it. I was capped at 200x20 on air.
killer rev! what is vcore in bios, as well as your qpi and pll? 4.2 w/HT sick
more voltage... 4ghz is just the wall for most Ci7s. After that frequency voltage requierments to get the rig stable make big jumps.
Thats a pretty sweet improvement in temps and OC from air to water, can you list difference in vcore needed on air vs water per any OC when you find difference. Interested to see for example if need notch or two less vcore at same OC or if just requires same with water vs air.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
Thanks man. So far voltages are identical, but I'll confirm that after a few more tests.Quote:
Originally Posted by rge
haha, you know this ;) Vcore in bios is 1.4v qpi is 1.335v and pll is 1.3v.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobbylite
I wouldn't think different cooling would make a difference to volts needed for stable clocks, unless you were temp-bound ie reaching tjmax and experiencing throttle.
Does the pencil mod work for anyone? I applied it but still seeing the same vdroop. Is it supposed to cut it out altogether or reduce it? I'm still setting for example 1.462v, getting 1.44v, and dropping to 1.42v under load.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
Yeah, just wishful thinking on my part, when i take my rig outside, drop temps 20-25C, I need less vcore for a given mhz to load windows...and can go 90mhz higher for max clock....just did not know if get maybe 1 notch lower for smaller drop in C:p:
physics is a beeyotch ;) Less heat, less resistance.Quote:
Originally Posted by rge
Could you save your bios and post it here plz? Thanks...Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
last time I tried that Nilos, I lost my RAID arrays :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nilos
Cant see anything on the link you posted, any special program to view that file or website?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nilos
thats a bios setting you can load in your bios...
Bios F4m. All good here.
4Ghz/211x19/Qpi 36x/Uncore 16x/Ram 8x 1688 8-8-8-24/HT off/Turbo off/Loadline On
100+ Linpack 32bits stable
Vcore: 1.38125 in Bios (1.360 idle - 1.344 load in EasyTune6)
Qpi/Vtt: 1.36 in Bios
Vdimm: 1.66 in Bios (1.648 in EasyTune6)
IOH Core: 1.16000
Everything else in default
who here uses the stock water cooling block on the extreme?
I wouldnt trust it plus the barbs are too small for my liking
QPI pll 1.3v right?Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nilos
how?please....
onto a fat32 flash drive then load which is f12 or f11 while in bios
thanks, bobbylite.... i tried and it loaded successfully...
while this BIOS not suits for me..... still can't run at 195*20....
Quote:
Originally Posted by vega22
Thanks for thoses settings, works well on my rig for some reason the 20x is not stable,but the 19x is!
Mines too, after they leaked 3 times with 3 different sets of tubing + jubilee clips. The barbs are a joke!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobbylite
Nahhh...nine hours of Linpack 32bit -> FREEZE :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by mearle73
I reboot and go into BIOS-> BIOS FREEZE :mad:
This Bios F4m has been frozen twice since I installed that.
Return to F4j...
F4m was bad here as well. I had to revert back to f4j as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by vega22
you guys change bios' like under-wear.
Only once in the past month? :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
:p:
lol...I am still using F4m, but looks like main non cosmetic differences is in secondary timings of RAM, wonder if that is what is causing stability problems in some. They also changed the round trip latency. But no real reason to change to it either. My OCZ (rma'ed from dead stick, now using corsair dom) did not like RAM timings on one of the beta bioses, it was unstable until I manually changed them to another bios settings that was stable. F4j left, F4m right
Very interesting, rge, had not seen this thing. I returned to F4j not so much for stability (it could have gone up a notch to QPI and continue testing), but for those cursed frozen ...
Did you use the same "perfromance" setting, cause when you change the it from standard to turbo or extreme the subtimings change. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rge
Yep, all settings exactly same including performance turbo on both (have always been on perf. turbo), just bios different... several beta bioses in F4 have altered mem subtimings, and different from F3 as well.
k, well seems they are still tweaking the bios, which isn't a bad thing. :up:
Where can i download the f4j bios for the ex-58 extreme as this seems to be the best most stable bios atm from what i've read?
Cant see it any where
Phil
i presume that the bios is in english?
Phil
final settings.
how much better or what is better from f3 to f4j bios?
and the same question phill asked if its in english
Damn if I could only get Easytune working on Vista64
F4j gave the free turbo cpu multi permanently. Aside from that, not much difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by bench2die
yesQuote:
Originally Posted by PHILIP1193
Did you try right clicking and running it XP compatibility mode?Quote:
Originally Posted by fornowagain
How stable is your cpu? I cant get it prime stable at 4200 everything ON.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
Could you share your bios file with me?
Figured it was about time i did one of these fancy pics...
This was a quick OC tonight, no tuning done on voltages to find out what i actually need, memory timings not touched, etc, far from final!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...estar/bnch.jpg
Thanks, yeah I'd tried that. Even tried SP2, no luck. Which os are you using?Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
Quote:
Originally Posted by fornowagain
yep , easytune doesnt work here neither (Vista 64bit)
regards
It doesn't matter what os your using easy tune with ati card = crash. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by fornowagain
It wouldn't work with a nasty old GeForce 6200 and no graphics drivers at all.
Working fine here, ati card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
It's completely stable and unfortunately I'm not sharing my file with you :wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nilos
Vista Prem 32b.Quote:
Originally Posted by fornowagain
what cat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
i never got it to work,not even on win xp sp3.
Cause it always crashed when dedecting the Videocard. :yepp:
XFX GTX260 BE and HD4870X2 here and doesnt work neither with Nvidia or ATiQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
:up:
I´m using Windows 7 32bits + Ati 4870 and EasyTune works just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
EasyTune works for me on Vista 64bit w/ 2x 4870x2 in CFX using Catalyst 8.12.
I spent most of last night reading all 30+ pages of this thread because I have the Extreme board and cannot resume from S3 sleep. At least one or two others in this thread have had the same problem - has anyone figured out what the cause is and how to fix it?
I had my first board replaced b/c two of the SATA ports went bad . . . but on BOTH boards, I could not get S3 sleep to work properly. Any ideas?
I'm using ex58-ud5, i7 920, and F4R BIOS, with 180*20, cpu 1.28v, qpi 1.28v, cpu/pll 1.84v, vdimm 1.58v,turbo on, ht on. all else default....
it runs well, prim95 also fine. memtest wen 2000% ok. but one small problem occurs when I was watching movies with this PC. After watching about one hour or so, the sound would suddenly went very small, and then came back normal. It last a few seconds. And this occured several times during the movie show. and then, it's fine again.
so should I increase some other voltages, say ioh, or some others?
BTW, should I test if the integreated sound card is stable or not, is there any specific test that I should run?
easy tune 6 doesnt work here either, thats with a 4870 1gb 32 bit vista, i tried to get it going last night again,
ive noticed there is a big difference in voltages needed between 1 hour prime , 5 hours prime 10 hours prime even 20 hours prime, and then even after 20 hours or more of prime , it still isnt stable enough to run 2 smp clients folding and ive tried small ftt and blend tests, thats with HT on and turbo on
Hey Freshy ..Quote:
Originally Posted by freshy
I think you were onto something with these settings ..
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=657
I used exactly these settings & been priming for 90mins + now which is farthest I've ever got at at 4Ghz CPU clock .. lowest temps too ..
But I'm confused about your Vcore .. your later posts here are saying you had to up the Vcore to ~1.39V after BIOS updates ..
But then the link in your sig to 4Ghz settings show Vcore of only 1.328V (CPU-Z) .. back on 12-10-2008 ..
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=761
So what were you using for that test ? QPI/Vtt volts etc ?
Same here.Quote:
Originally Posted by X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE
Same here never got easytune or des working and tested every version possible, SP1 /SP2 but never got problems with S3 :D
It works for me, then again I have User Accounts disabled.Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras