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Hi everyone
Iam new to the board been wacthing this thread for a bit now finaly got clear to post. If you all are getting crashing at idle or go into a 3d app. and crash a few mins into it but you can run AOD stress test and be on the net
and play musice all at the same time it a vista bug from a update that came
out after SP1 for vista .MY 9850 was crashing at idle or when i run 3dmark-06
so after a week of checking stuff thinking it was hardware i did a clean install of vista-64 got it up to date to SP1 than stop ran test not crashing at idle or running a game so if you are having trouble with crashing at idle mite want to do clean install of vista.
:welcome: I'm new myself, (not a n00b just new to the forum;). I've read that phenoms have documented problems running on x64, especially with AOD and overclocks...have you oc'ed yet? What version of Vista are you running (like it matters lol)? I'd love to run x64 but I'm leery of crashes and vista in general. My opinion is x64 needs more time to mature some but man when it does watch out! Thanks m8.
trust me stocius vista x64 runs like charm, it's rock stable! Only thing is that you'll definitely achieve lower OC results under x64 OS compared to 32bti. In case of Phenom we're talking about ~200 MHz lower OC on air
We tested 64bit os stabilty with B2's already.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=179058
This issue seems to be gone with B3's.
Crap, didn't know that.. that's weird
Thanks for the info m8s, I appreciate. Yep, I've got a lot of reading to do, thanks for the link Justapost.
Hmmm, I just noticed RAM OC's need some special attention. Assumed I could as well test 4-4-4 DDR800 while testing CPU OC's. But then core 1 failed, 0.025Vcore more made core 4 fail. Luckily without reason I decided to set manual settings for the RAM and nothing failed thus far.
It runs now at 0.1Vcore less. So Ill leave RAM for what it is now, will get back to it later but turns out you got to test everything for 110% and dont assume anything from previous OC results from a different system lol.
Is there any word about 4 DIMMs to use unganged vs ganged? I read Tony said you'd better use ganged when running 1066 mode, so I was wondering if 4 DIMMs at any speed needed some special treatment too?
Hi
iam using vista-64 it ran great until i down loaded one or two of the last vista up-date so reinstall vista-64 and update to SP1 one it runs great again no trouble.so i realy fell that it was a vista up that made the problems for me.
Something they did after SP1.
AMD 9850BE Phenom
DFI LandParty DK 790fx M2RS
2 HIS 3850 running in crossfire
2 WD 80gigs sata2 drive running raid-0
merkk1:
are you ocing your 9850? what's your setup like? i'm trying to decide whether i should get the dfi 790fx for my next build. i think we should set up an oc database on this 9850.
A few OC databases
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=183422
http://www.amdgeeks.net/overclockdatabase (no 9850 in here atm)
http://www.hwbot.org/quickSearch.do?hardwareId=CPU_1616
;)
I agree on so many levels with that very constructive statement you just made:up: None of us know or do not know if the Fix is in on Software favoritism as many can be persuaded at the drop of a dime regardless of morals and ethics if it means personal advancement and money:rolleyes: "QFT"
The whole Fanboy situation well......Lets just say that I prefer AMD over Intel because it feels more fluent and natural with its responsiveness for day to day use and just in general. Computers should be judged on a individual basis thats why they elected to coinn the Phrase "PC" which = Personal Computer which = Personal Computing Experience
Only people that have a bias would accept benchmarks results blindly without considering any other aspect of the system. (Or even consider what each benchmark is actually doing.)
I remember a thread on another forum where somebody basically was telling me I was an idiot for not blindly accepting the results of the benchmarks based on JUST the number of "wins" versus the number of "losses". (And yes... some of the results were within a percent or two.)
Some nice posts here:).
Reason why I chose AMD while Intel scores so much better? Well, I like to play so much around. AMD OCíng isn't like 'bump multi', 'bump HTT', 'hello new OC'. I really like to play around but it's often frustrating at the same time. But you'll have to live with it in the end.
Besides that, at the time I bought the AM2 stuff, parts for Intel were far from future proof and current chipsets all missed different features for me personally.
Fanboy or not, Im really pleased with AMD just for the fun with OCíng. If you're looking for max SuperPI, 3DMark etc, then Intel is rightfully the winer. But benchmarks for me personally are something to compare to equal systems and not to get huge e-peens:yepp:. And as I never owned an Intel system, I cant really say anything about the 'smoothness' in usage, but I heard a lot AMD is running smoother from people who do own them both. But I dont use that comment as long as I dont experience that my self.
Does anyone know if I got a 9850 and installed Vista x64 SP1 would it force the TLB patch on me like it does for the older chips or would it recognize the 9850 doesn't need it?
When I patched SP1 over Vista x64 with my Agena 9600 it forced the TLB fix on me and I could not get it to disable.
I would hope that it won't apply a TLB patch on the B3, that would suck as they have no need of the patch (heck even the B2 didn't need it in many cases for most people).
What do you suppose my odds of getting a B3 is replacement of my B2 when I send it in to AMD? (it has some major issues not related to TLB)
B3 has no need for any patch, vista has no issues with B3's
wonderful, good to know that. I was afraid that vista would just assume TLB patch on phenoms in general, not looking for a specific revision. Good news for sure :)
keithlm: Only people that have a bias would accept benchmarks results blindly without considering any other aspect of the system. (Or even consider what each benchmark is actually doing.)
I remember a thread on another forum where somebody basically was telling me I was an idiot for not blindly accepting the results of the benchmarks based on JUST the number of "wins" versus the number of "losses". (And yes... some of the results were within a percent or two.)That's one of the reasons I signed up on this forum:smile:
Rammsteiner: And as I never owned an Intel system, I cant really say anything about the 'smoothness' in usage, but I heard a lot AMD is running smoother from people who do own them both. But I dont use that comment as long as I dont experience that my self. I have, well at least the P4 v. Athlon Series, in my opinion AMD tends clock lower but really move. I've never owned a an intel quad but I've had 3 intel core 2 laptops and my current amd lappy wips them without a dedicated video card (I don't game on laptops, of course) I will never say this cpu is empirically better over that one beacause of all the variables that go into setups, I will however say that I prefer one cpu over another. I will also put on the record that I am not against building Intel, I just don't really want to nor do I have the resources to outfit 2 builds of higher end parts. Sorry for the confusing post I couldn't the multi-quote to work.
Hi
iam able to get 2.8 on air cool auto volts setting .I try to bummp it
more but will not stay stable . it mite be you realy need to be water cool for highter clocks speed but iam not as good a over clocker as other people
are on this board iam still learning over clocking . Now as the board gose i like the DFI LP DK board . I think it a mite more trouble free than the DFI LP UT
board it newer it also DFI sec time around making a 790fx board so i think they learn from the UT what they wanted to do and want not to do. There
is a con then using the DK board is when you use the on board sound the audio out port is right under your sec. video card when running crossfire so
you will not be able to run the wires from the port to your case jack also
the chips temp. for the north bright get up to the low 70c range when i play a game bough video cards are crank up to full speed . I my self had a X-Fi sound card already so it was no big deal for me . I would like to know if the UT guys can post what the chips set temp. run at under full load.
Anyone OCing a 9850 on a Asus M3A32-MVP MB?
I have reached 3 gigs, but was only stable enough for a screen shot.
At 2.8 it runs like a dream, but I would like to atleast run smooth at 3 gigs or better.
Hello everyone. First of all congrats to tony for hitting 3.5!! :D
i have been watchin this thread since it started waiting for my activation to come through. Took ages!
i have been trying to overclock my 9850 on the m3a32 mvp deluxe board.
i can get 2.8 stable at 1.3v
i have now set it to 15 x 200 running 3.0 stable so far (fingers crossed) @ 1.45v
however under water cooling its running 40 idle and bout 48 load. from a cold boot its about 30.
when i lower the voltage it bsod's saying clock interrupt on secondary proccessor... (thought this was only on the b2's) but think it has something to do with voltage..
would like to go for 3.2 but doesnt look like its gona happen..
Looks like my 9850 isn't going to be reasonable with voltage at 3.0. All the way up to 1.53V it refuses to do 3.0. 2.9 is doable with a modest vCore bump. Would it help to raise the voltages on the other stuff even when I'm only overclocking the CPU? It seems to last longer at 3.0 when I do, but that doesn't make any sense.
Cinebench 64 seems to scale well :D
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/464...nch3ye0.th.jpg
That is entirely the wrong attitude for an overclocker to have.
Possibly but maybe realistic as well. "Shrug" send the chip to the Electric chair:shocked: Being a Overclocker does not or is not permission to be a Fool on the same token either....think about it.
Working to get a higher overclock doesn't make you a fool. It just makes you a normal overclocker. If your method is to give up at the first sign of trouble, that's your prerogative of course. I don't think it entitles you to insult other overclockers who don't do the same, however.
Sorry man I guess I owe you a apology because reading it kinda suggests something other then intended. All I mean is that more is not better meaning voltage and I see most on this forum seem to think they need to ram rod the voltage to get what they want which is foolish and voltage should be the last thing any overclocker thats sensible should reach for as the last viable option of course/ Anyway that was not directed towards you specifically so sorry If you were offended and iI mean that really I do:)
Hey Brother:
We know.
Just don't fry it. It aint worth it.
Whats up Bruno:) Hey I mean well thats all that matters in the end right?;)
same here, and the "clock interrupt on secondary proccessor" is related to voltage i think
atleast after i :surf:'ed :google:
do you to have a memory settings bug?, like say if you set you memory timing in bios and then you have to reset bios to get it to boot?
mine @ 13.5x.2.7ghz/stockvolt/stockheatsink = idle 39-41.5c / 44.5-45.5c load / stable to :P
so i think everything under 45c is stable, if i oc it to 2.8 on stock volt it hangs for me, so then it gets hot if i push volt higher like 55-60c :(
I must be lucky too, my 9850 runs @3Ghz on stock voltage. I didn't change the multiplier though, I upped the bus speed to 240, didn't think it would run like that but it does.
I'm testing it at 3.1 right now (13x240), I had to bump up the CPU voltage one notch otherwise it blue screens after about 5 minutes of loading all 4 cores.
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8...reenca7.th.png
ok im up and running got prob with asus 790fx. with unknow device and onboard sound. it is shut off but hd audio keeps loading into DM. along with an unknown device.
but othere then that all good. 13,438 @ stock. :) 3dmark06
duno why my sig isnt coming up?
Looks like the 9850 has a pretty wide spread on what they are reaching. My initial testing indicated that 2.9 was probably solid but 3.0 would take some work. After fighting with 3.0 for a day, I re-targeted on verifying 2.9 to make sure it was solid. After extended loads, 2.9 would cause the machine to reboot. Even the max voltage I was willing to use (1.50) wasn't enough to ensure stability. I fell back to 2.8 and reset to stock voltage. It apparently isn't stable either. So now I'm stair-stepping the voltage to see if I can get 2.8 to play along, but either way it's a bit disappointing to be fighting for a 300MHz OC when other people can do 3.0 or 3.1 at stock voltage and others 3.4 or 3.5 at voltages under 1.5.
I have to wonder if I just have one really gimpy core. If I can find a stable voltage at 2.8, I'll start boosting cores individually and see if any will do 2.9 by themselves.
@ eleeter: How long have you ran prime loops at 3.1? I've had mine be stable for up to four hours before showing its instability via BSOD.
when i lower my nb multiplier it doesnt boot, any ideas?
Yeah, 32b to 64b does in most apps. That's 2400 (multi) more than I get in XP 32b at the same frequency.
Yep, but hard to get most stable at decent speeds.
Whenever I've seen it, it's been a BIOS limitation - with one of my 9600BE it was a CPU limtation though. :(
thats a pain because i think its limiting my overclock.. well i could probably use less volts if i could use a mix between fsb and multilpier instead of all multi..
This might be a BIOS issue Tony. MSI board had this with all earlier BIOSes but not for a few BIOSes now. I can hit 318xMHz using AOD from 1800MHz upwards.
The different settings loading issue may appear if your system crashed with AOD open though - its then the setup files.
Got some results from 3dmark06
what do you guys think?
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...ark-result.jpg
Ok, now I have it proven that cold is bad. 2.8ghz wouldn't boot up on my 9850 on the vapo unless it had like 1.4v. Windows boots up on 1.35 at 3ghz so far on my crosshair(XP-90c cooler), and the crosshair is still running on the first phenom bios which technically doesn't support the 9850 yet. I might have to get a water cooler this summer so I can ditch aircooling and just get new blocks when needed.
nb is running at 2000 and ram is running standard 400mhz dual channel.. might try bumping it up now :D
Does anyone know if the Phenom + 64 bit OS (Im on XP, although this counts for Vista too IMO) OC problems might get fixed by be it a better BIOS or Microsoft/AMD CPU driver?
Im at XP64 again and there's even upto 1.4Vcore no way to get it to run 2.8Ghz. On normal XP I could.
Am I just :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed now by prefering a 64bit OS or is this just a matter of bad BIOS/software programming?
I decided to try and run lower Volts over the Core and NB, Priming for that now at stock clocks. But I really prefer better clocks though...
Sorted why winrar scores were low:
Don't have ANYTHING plugged in USB while you are running the bench...
with stick drive 1.4 to 1.8
without 2.23 to 2.4
Ohh man
LOL
Could it have anything to do with Ready Boost?
thats wierd, does that include game controlers and my mouse?! i hope so :D
btw ive clocked my nb to 2400 which did require me to up the voltage to get it stable however my 3dmark score only increased by 70 mainly on the gfx card..
is there a way to clock the ram up without using the fsb? as when i touch the fsb things start to mess up
@Tony,.Could you please take you're DMM and read what the Vcore set in Bios is actual REAL on the DMM please? Just wish to cross Reference with Justapost DMM Reading on his Sapphire Mobo .
I am currently on 4/15/08 Beta
Installing vista64 with SP1. gonna be a while m8...got 2x3870X2's arriving tomorrow and have to post some results for Sapphire ;)
Why they did not send me their DFI clone to do this on I don't know ;)
Will look at it this week brother
Small update:
Setting 1.67V Vdimm bios on the DFI results in 1.805V on the board real, I was able to fully install vista and XP at this voltage with 8000 reaperX at 1066 5-6-6-24-30 195ns...
So, undervolting (bios values) may be worth experimenting with at this time..
Accuracy of the DMM in the 0.4-4V area is 1% ~0.014V
It's an EXTECH 330 http://www.extech.com/instrument/pro...pha/ex330.html
A little update.
Im priming now 13.5x200. Not for very long though but it seems stable thus far. This is on XP64 btw (no one knows whether there might be a BIOS/driver released which solves instability with Phenom OC's on 64 bit OS's?).
I also ran AOD, although the program doesnt make much sense IMO as it insta nukes your BIOS settings by applying its own Voltages etc. I ran the autoclock feature and I only got 207Mhz (found that when I restarted from the BSOD:shrug:).
Ill be trying to lower Vcore if 2.7Ghz is stable (it's 1.35V in BIOS). From lowest Vcore+101% Ill try to bump the HTT a little and see where it brings me.
Then Ill try to OC the NB, curious what that will give me. After that, especially with such a crap HTref, Ill try and get my RAM to run DDR800 3-3-3 or so.
Im just a bit disappointed really by the poor 64bit OS + Phenom results. I REALLY hope it's just a matter of crappy programming, be it by BIOS or eventual driver, but Im afraid not. Anyhow, Ill try and get the best out of it and wait for C1~C2 revision I guess (that's 45nm right?).
Things I might order soon are a 3Ware9650SE RAID controller, 2 GPU coolers (Ill pencil mod my GPU's) and MAYBE 2x2GB Crucial Red thingies. Although I dont think the latter addition would be really necesairy. AM2 RAM clocking is very depending on Drive Strenghts. I managed to boot up at DDR800 3-3-3 already so most likely it's a semi timing or Drive Strength issue before it runs stable. Only thing is, Drive Strengths won't really insta rape your RAM but in the longer run, especially with Micron IC's, they can catalyze Electron Migration.
Well its proven, vista 64 and winrar sucketh large compared to XP 32bit.
XP 2.32KB/s
Vista64 1.8ish KB/s
want to show off with winrar, do it in XP
Im on XP64, not Vista though.
Im not really after benchmark results, more why 2.8Ghz was running nicely on vanilla XP32 install, but after adding 0.1Vcore it still wouldn't run without freezing on XP64. Im just wondering why a 64bit OS lowers Phenom's OC results:shrug:. And if it's possible to get it fixed or not.
So, far, which board seems to be teh best for these OCs? I'm concerned about boards with 4-phase power as 1.45v Phenoms can draw much more than teh 125W TDP, say 200W+... Is this a concern with these boards?
Is the M3A32 comparable to the M2R?
The M3A is looking like my #1 Choice due to power management, though ASUS has a shaky past with me in regards to boards...
M2RS is only 4phase so :(.
considering i have 3.0-3.1 stable with no extra volts... i would think the m2rs is capable of doing the job :)
I wouldn't be so sure buddy... Let's see if the MOSFETS on your board are still alive after a couple months...
I remember a guy who tried to run a 6400+ BE on a K9A2 CF-F, the MOSFETS melted and the board fried after 2 days.
money isnt a problem for me :D :up:
Hi guys
i was running 2.8 at stock volts but had a bad crash it was stable for a wild
but when belly up on me. It took about a day and a half to get back up and running again the OS didnt want to going in for some reason. I got it running at 2.7 and it running good .I see some of you post 3dmark-06 score so here mind form the frist night i got it up and running 3dmark-06 score 14320 that with 2 litte 3850 (256) in crossfire it posted out at 3dmark if you want to look it up.
i work hard for my money :D
i own a computer repair shop :P :clap:
Like wise on PC Repair Business :) But Pass off any way:D
lol :D
get me to 3.5 and maybe :D
damn i thought i was stable @ 3ghz just got a bsod after the comp had been running for over 14 hours... i have changed the multiplier down to 14 and htt to 215 and it seems ok now.. still at 1.45 volts..
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Hi Tony.
Just wanted to congratulate you for your contribution with these insane overclocks on Phenom. Keep with the good work. :clap:
Maybe, what I'm about to say may sound weird, but using USB drives/sticks, etc., does strees in some point the CPU AND it also uses some unsane amounts of power (don't know if it's from the 5V or 12V line). I don't know if this is some weird driver issue on Microsoft's operating systems or something to the like.
I've being experiencing this weird issue whenever I plug a USB stick to my comp. Suddenly, my processor temp climbs to an astounding 40C (just with the USB drive) and when I unplug it, temps go down as low as 35C.
Damn that's weird but great that you tested and found out. This has to be related to the USB you use, right? Tried different USB attachments?
I've never had that with 5 USB peripherals to date as I mentioned, I've always ran 5 daily. They do increase MB powered draw though.
It's not necessarily the number of power phases you know, but actually depends on the quality of MOSFETs they decide to use as well as PSU and temps ;)
I was using rally drives and a M$ mouse, had to test the p5e3 all day with 1600EB's so no time for the Phenom but i will try to get back to it.
BTW I have 2x3870X2's in the Phenom platform now, we work close with Sapphire and i will be promoting these cards over the next week or so...stay tuned ;)
18K with Phenom at 3.4GHZ was quite easy 3D06 vista 64, so remember you would be seeing 19k maybe in XP, I will run most of my tests at 3GHZ CPU and 2.2GHZ NB as this seems where most end users are landing with Phenom 9850.
there is a wreid problem with USB and Power
i had a old hiper 580W wich made my PC not boot when i had a D-Link 802.11n USB Dongle in the USB port
and my HTPC with a Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H motherbord i get all the backpanel usb works but the front wont work right, only keyboard and mouse work on front wreid
if anyone want to see pictures of the motherboard here you go
http://picasaweb.google.com/tommarnk...yteGAMA78GMS2H
and btw the psu in my htpc is kinda ironic but well its a htpc and it wont be overclocked anyway
ok ive managed stable at 3.0 properly now htt 240 x 12.5 @ 1.36v nb and ht running at 2400 and ram @ 480x2. got 13070 on 3dmark06 now and ran prime for 5 hours without errors. i did however have to up the nb and ht voltage to 1.4 to get it to run without errors. I couldnt boot this fast at this voltage before... is there such a thing as running a processor in?! im going to try for 3.1 tomorrow then 3.2 my max temp under load is 48 and idle is 36
I just tried using AOD stress test, however I think it sets Vcore and Vnb back to default? So I quit it, restarted and didn't bother looking at it again lol. I could set Vcore back to what it was, but I can't adjust Vnb in AOD so it ruins everything:(.
I think Ive the latest version (got it from TPU). Not sure though, but I still I dont like it AOD resets V's at start up.