Stock voltage isn't 1.1875.
Might have a good chip there.;)
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Stock voltage isn't 1.1875.
Might have a good chip there.;)
That is interesting, I noticed my non oced 9500 runs at 1.20V, it's rates 1.20V-1.25V.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
What I would like to know is why we can't drop the VCore in BIOS?
Edit; I just observed the same issue. I'm reading 1.225 in AOD and CoreTemp but 1.3 In CPUZ, HWMonitor.
I set my VID to 1.25v with the 9500.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlabamaCajun
I have a DQ6 and I can drop the voltage. Although I can't on my 780G, so it might be reserved for the top board, it's the only reason I can think of.
Cpuz has always been the most accurate in my experience.
Both my Gigabyte boards tend to overvolt slightly, which is a good thing.:up:
Anyone here with a DQ6 or DS5 using a 9850 BE hitting 3 ghz?
Wiak: I was actually talking about Vimc not Vcore.. ;)
Alabama Cajun: I agree with you, it would be nice to be able to set lower v's on the core, especially if you were going for a low power settup. Auto doesn't really set it to 1.25 though it's closer to 1.2, and from my experience anything under 1.2 is only good if you plan to underclock...
Aussie: I didn't feel too bad yesterday (I'm a Beer Pro :ROTF: ) Guess thats what happens when I go out and don't have to drive!
I finally got 1066 memory to work!:up: Guess I was pushing a little too much juice through it, the Reapers are rated at 2.0-2.3, so I started out at 2.1 thinking this would be a reasonable place to start.... Long story short, I got it to run at 1.9v's.
For some reason it still fails 4xPrime blend after a few hours (used to fail in minutes!), but I haven't had any crashes with daily use, gaming, encoding, surfing etc... May not be 100% stable, but this is good thing :D
At least until we get a new bios update...
By-Tor: I had a 9850, it wouldn't even run stable at stock speeds, so I RMA'd it. Just my luck to get a dud! I should have a replacement by next weekend so I'll keep ya posted.
Also RMA'd my K9A2 board. I'm a pretty gentle overclocker, it died during a bios flash, so we'll see if they replace it or not (they should!)...
I'll test the 9850 on both and post results.
Anyone having problems with 4GB memory with the Gigabyte MA790FX-DQ6?
I got these crappy ballistix and they never worked right. I RMA them but they said everything was OK and i was told to update my bios. So i did and it worked good, i think, until i put the other 2gb in. Memtest fails after 1min.
So, does Gigabyte MA790FX-DQ6 have issues with 4gb ram?
Daveburt714,
So far I have only been able to get 2.875 ghz stable but working on 2.9 right now.
Yes, I think I'm seeing the seeing the same thing. Auto drops below 1.25, somewhere like 1.235 or something but CPUZ says if 1.26. AOD reads lower like 1.2136. I'll stick a brisbane or something in this board next week to see what it does. If beotches the Phenom Black.
Just checked on NewEgg, and my RMA chip is on it's way...
I'm kinda scared now though, I was looking at this thread:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=183422
Seems like folks with the 0810 BPAW's are getting really good OC's out of them, and that's the stepping/batch I returned....
I worked that chip for about 5 Days, even reverted all the way back to the F3 & F4 Bios and couldn't get it stable even at stock!
If I get this new chip, have the same problems and find out it's a DS5 board/bios problem I'm gonna be pizzed... :mad:
Sure hope I didn't RMA a Golden Chip!
That's really not too shabby man! Phenoms are like women, it takes along time to figure them out and after a few months of petting her just right she might turn out to be better than you originally thought... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by By-Tor
Unlike Miss Piggy in your 'siggy'!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
I'm running 2x2G in my DS5 and I think it's the MOBO. It might have to do with 4G which sucks because I want 4G. I'll try the 2x1Gs before I pull the plug.
I ran both Phenoms and A64s in the GBT with 4G and only the A64 was somewhat stable at stock :cry: DFI arrives today :banana:.
I'm going to hook the 5600 back up with the DS5 board and 2G then see if OCing is an option. :yepp:
So anybody notice stability issues with the 9850 and the DS5/DQ6? The chip won't even run at stock speeds with 1.33v on the vCore without constant BSODs but runs just fine with my 9500 stock at 1.23v on the vCore.
Check the post just before yours. I've had nothing but trouble with both the 9500 and 9850. Got it on the DFI and so far so good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaivan
I noticed the same thing with the 2GB ram sticks too. I actually have the DFI 790FX-M2R but right now its being RMAed so i have to use the DS5 as my main comp and this board is still just as bad as it was when I got my DFI the BIOS didn't even change much and it can even run my ram at 1066 unlike the DFI which can.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlabamaCajun
Man, don't even say that (see msg #709)!! My 96BE actually runs pretty well on the DS5. I had the same problems with the 9850, it just wouldn't run stable period!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaivan
Oh well, my RMA'd 9850 will be here tommorow... I'll post my results with the new chip, but I can't help thinking I RMA'd a keeper... :down:
majmac: Ms. Piggy is Evil Incarnate... :p: I got divorced after 13 years and although I don't agree with Kermits tactics I thought the pic was funny.. ;)
Guess it's just because I love women, and Bacon sandwiches... :rofl:
The people with crashing systems due to RAM, do you run it in the 4th DIMM slot? So the most right red DIMM slot?
Cause if I plug any DIMM in there it hardly boots, if it does it BSOD's like hell. So incase you people indeed have a stick in the 4th DIMM slot, this might be a general issue (I thought I killed the DIMM slot cause I forced the 3rd and 4th slots a little out of each other in order to get 2x2GB OCZ ReaperX's to run next to each other lol). But even with normal sized DIMM it doesnt run:(
I'm thinking the problem is with the solder on the boards. My first DS5 lost channel 2 when I RMAed it. This second one behaves the same no matter what slots I used. I was forced to put the Corsairs in the B slots (red) due to the latches on my ninja blocking the first A slot. "Masts on those Pirate Ships would not fit under the bridge" :rofl: I need to get me some more OCZs to try in it when I get some time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
Well, I first had a OCZ Vendetta cooler and forced me to use those red slots with ReaperX's. As said this doesn't actually fit, but with a little pushing it did. The two slots were a little bit in a '\/' position with the slots installed. But hey, it worked.
Than I installed the Thermal Right Ultra Extreme. This caused the DIMM on the left not being able to bend a little to the left because the DIMM was already slightly pushing on the heatsink. With a lot of force the right DIMM got in, although now it looked more like '|/', but then the right one was even more to the outside. But once again, it worked (I shaved some off the heatspreaders though because I was afraid to brake either the DIMM slot or the DIMM).
Then I removed them and plugged in 4x normal DIMMs and it would only throw BSOD's. But there's nothing to see at the 4th DIMM slot (I know it had sustained a little force which is not good), but there was nothing to see anywhere. So your theory about bad solder might be very true.
That's rough having to bend sockets and alter stuff to fit. I've slightly angle forced dimms into 939 boards and none failed. I did not have to use any real force but it did have some resistance sliding under the Ninja clips at a 45deg angle going down into the socket.
About the solder, I've seen other reports about this on new egg reviews which is not the best source but this one stood out as someone with good technical knowledge. One of the factors is that lead (Pb) is reduced or no longer used in solder which is not formulated right can make the joint brittle. I applaud the RHOS efforts but it also means being more careful and doing more deep tests. GBT has a huge base of boards in the intel sector that are a lot similar to the DQ5,6 that are just solid to the tee. What happened to these AM2s, no one is talking.
Got my replacement chip...
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3..._9850_0811.jpg
At least this one runs at stock! Geez, I miss my K9A2, This DS5 is squirley...
Just installed it tonight, I'll post more info later for those interested.. ;)
Told you ya should have got a DQ6. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
What's the manufacture date on the new one?
ps. The pig deserved it. :ROTF:
My 9850BE 0811BPMW is working up to 2.7GHz in 64bit OS. I've also tried to boot up to 225HTT so far.
We really need new BIOS with NB voltage adjustment!
Lightman I have the same chip. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
When I first got mine it clocked up to 2.9 on multis, however it didn't like the full multiplier i.e. 11,12,13. It was ok on 11.5,12.5 13.5 etc for whatever reason.:confused:
I can get my NB voltage as high as 1.55v using AOD 2.0.17, ;) although I still can't raise it with the bios. :down:
I haven't oc'ed it for ages because i'm folding with it now and I'm happy with it at 2.8 and it's very stable with the SMP client and the GPU2 client. :up:
How is that chip doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
The new chipo I got (0811) won't run at stock on the MA790FX-DS5. At stock BIOS (optimized) I can run some applications but it will reboot at awkward times. If I change the memory from the 1066 EPP to the 800 SPD it does not improve. (And using older DDR2-400 ram will allow it to work for longer but will still crash the Prime95.)
At stock with the 9850 it boots and will run Prime95 for 15-45 minutes.
With as many people that seem to have problems with the 9850 and the Gigabyte I'm betting it's a BIOS problem and not the CPU. If I underclock the CPU Core multiplier to 10 (So 2.0Ghz) then Prime95 will run for 4 hours or so.
I think (as you have posted) that the NB is clocked incorrectly at stock for the 9850 on the DS5 motherboard. However increasing the NV VID by setting the BIOS to the -0.05 value makes the system even more unstable... so perhaps there is more than one setting that needs to change for the 9580 to be stable? We need to change: NB VID and also <Insert something else here>
Gigabyte will probably have a new BIOS that will fix things eventually; but of course we need it NOW.
But in the meantime I'm just considering ordering a new DFI 790FX-M2R now that newegg has them in stock again. I'll just throw this board over into my "stuff that doesn't get used but is not really trash but is almost trash so I don't know if I really want to use it" pile of stuff.
Do it Keith!:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by keithlm
I'm tempted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
Besides... Murphy's law of system building says if I spend the money to get a new DFI because of the piddling problems with the Gigabyte then they will release a new BIOS while the DFI is in being delivered. (So it would be good for others.... I'm so altruistic.)
Luckily I have to go on a 2 week trip starting monday... so I won't be able to do anything for 3 weeks. By then we'll see if the bios is out. If not... who knows. But this "forces" me to be a bit more patient.
(But I know this memory works well on the DFI... and I really miss the power/reset button BIOS reset method.)
:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
Is your chip at 2.8GHz under x64 or x32 OS?
I'm going to dig up my HDD with 32bit OS later this week if time will allow ;)
BTW I'm sure BIOS still needs a lot of work. If my overclocked system crashes once then even after changing it to stock settings it will be unstable. Only solution is to unplug it from the socket for 30 seconds. Not a good thing to do.
PS. I'm not sure if everyone know this, but if your system can't boot because of some new too high settings in BIOS (HDD light flashing like mad) and you are going to CLEAR CMOS try first holding RESET button for 5-6 seconds. It always brings my system back ;) .
Well I thought I had it stable @ 225x12.5x9x9 (2.812 cpu / 2025 NB & HTT)
Of course after typing a 20 minute message it crashed right before I was ready to post it!!!! :mad: :mad: :brick:
I'll just make this short.
Aussie: 0811 BPJW... The pic is clickable... :D
Lightman: When your machine become unstable to the point that you have to reset CMOS. Go into Bios and select "Optimized Defaults" before changing any other settings. Seems to clear the DMI. Works pretty well for me.
Keithlm:I have the same problems with the NB/IMC volts. Not sure if it will help, but with the 9850 mine runs best between -0.1 and -0.15.
This damn thing ran stable for hours last night, even gamed on it for an hour or 2... Lowered HT to 8x and try again I guess... :shakes:
Ok, the important stuff is out of the way.. Just a little additional info.
I tested everything seperately over the weekend and came up with these results:
Max HT Ref = 258 (Memory 1032)
Max CPU = 2875 (1.3v higher didn't help)
Max NB = 2190 (1.2v higher didn't help (-0.10 Keithlm ;) ))
Max HT Link= 2050
These all ran stable as long as everything else was lowered, so I thought I had found the magic combination 239x12x9x8 (2868 cpu/2151 nb/1912 htt).
Did it work you ask? NOPE.... Imagine that! :p:
I still say Phenom = Rubics Cube... :yepp:
Looking at the congregated results here with DS5... I'd say GBT has a major BIOS problem. I know they had trouble with 1066 for a while, so before you decide what is stable or not, I'd try testing 800 mode, stock NB, stock HT and 1x2GB instead of more than 1x2GB if you use that. Many times moving HT 1MHz seems to make NB/CPU very unstable unless you add voltage to the NB - a trend with the 9850 unlike B2 :)
Also beware, DS5 I tested a long while back was overvolting especially under load - if stock was 1.25v then under load it overvolted to 1.280v. The feature carried over to the 780G and 740G offerings too.
Hows AOD compatibility coming along?
Anyone tried the AutoClock and Stability tests at/for high MHz?
I'd test some things on it but I don't have a DS5 here.
I think you're spot on with the bios there KTE. As I said to you last night mine is rock solid stable at 2.8. It's been running 100% on all cores for weeks now. :yepp:
I'm still running the F4 bios.
AOD compatibility is perfect and NO stability issues with AOD either. I'm really happy with that now. Using v 2.0.17.
Dave have you tried going back to F4?
Sure is Lightman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
I put my old 9500 on an XP pro x32 install and it oc's about the same as what it did on this Vista X64.
I found exactly the same thing with my reset button...count slowly to 5.
One thing I have found with this 9850 is the IMC is nowhere as good as my 9500 was. I'm now running my ram at 800. :eek: Must be something in my bit of silicon because it's on the same bios and I know the ram is good for 1150mhz.
I disagree with you: I don't think it is the 9850 IMC. I think it is the Gigabyte bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
This same memory worked great on the DFI board I had for a few days and I had no problems. (Up until I ran Sandra and it hosed everything. But I think that it just mangled something in the bios... who knows.) But when I say "no problems" I mean that Prime95 ran for hours with no readily apparent problems. I even ran 4xPrime95 and then kicked off the AOD stability test at the same time. I let those both run overnight at the same time with no problems.
It's either the Gigabyte BIOS or they (Gigabyte) have done something wrong in hardware.
(I'd prefer BIOS.)
===========================
ANYWAY:
This morning I did the following:
1. Reset optimized bios settings.
2. Reboot.
3. Reflashed the F3 bios. (I did this since the note on the Gigabyte website says that the F3 bios updates the "backup" bios.)
4. Optimized settings.
5. Reboot.
6. Reflashed F4.
7. Optimized settings.
8. Reboot.
9. Reset some BIOS things. (Turned off misc stuff.)
RESULTS:
1066 was very unstable. I could get windows to post, but if I started Prime95 it would reboot immediately. I lowered the memory speed to 800 and it still rebooted immediately if I ran Prime95.
I also noticed that with the F4 BIOS the CPU-VID and NB-VID both defaulted to 1.3Volts. (They defaulted to 1.2375V and 1.1375 in BIOS version F5)
But F4 was too unstable. So I reflashed F5 (optimized, save, reboot, etc.) and everything is back where it was. I can run PRIME95 and it won't immediately reboot the machine. Prime95 (blend) will fail after a few minutes... but at least it runs. (If I decrease speed to 800 Prime95 will run longer but still fail. If I put in some old DDR2-400 ram it will run for a few hours before failing.)
BTW: I think my "main problem" is the G.Skill 2x2Gb ram I have. (With the powerchip IC. They have really funky BIOS timings.) If I had a more normal RAM I think I'd be a lot more stable. (But not as stable as I'd like to be.) But even though that may be some or even most of the problem... I still suspect that the bios has some issues.
EDIT: I learned more than I wanted to know about Prime95 today. It seems that the "small FFS" test will test the cores and that the "blend" test the memory, core and communication between both. Since memtest86 runs fine on my machine for many passes... and Prime95 small ffs runs without problems for long periods of time... then that leaves the the NB. Which is what I guessed previously.)
Apparently they don't think so:Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Gigabyte's response to my question about problems with the current (DS-5 F5) BIOS. (I asked them when they'd have a fix):
So apparently we aren't having problems... it's all our imagination.Quote:
There are no known issue with the 9850 with the F5 bios, please check your memory and try testing with single module
To be honest: I had suspected I'd get a lame answer like that.
NEW RESULTS::: Lowered the NB speed and got stability.
Instead of playing with the different memory speeds... and timings... et al. ad nauseum. (I am now SICK and TIRED of memory timings.)
I didn't know how to lower the Northbridge speed:
In the AOD you have a setting called NB-VID... but it won't save if you attempt to change it. (You have to change it in bios. See DaveBurts post.) But increasing the NB-VID made my system VERY unstable.)
In AOD there is also a HT Multiplier which lowers the HT Link Speed but it doesn't touch the Northbridge speed. There is no Northbridge slider. Dang it.
NOW: In the BIOS there are two settings: Memory controller (9x, 10x, 11x etc.) and also HT Link Frequency (1.8, 2.0 etc.) Apparently BOTH of these must be changed at the same time. If you decrease the Memory controller lower than the HT Link frequency the BIOS will change it back when you reboot. But if you change the "Memory Controller" to 9x (1800) and the second to 1.8... and save it... the northbridge AND the HT Link Speed will be 1800.
Apparently the BIOS "memory controller" == AOD's Northbridge and the BIOS HT Link Frequency == AOD's HT Link Speed.
I had a scary close call. I decided to raise both to 2200 just to see how unstable it would be. Hey who knows... it might have been more stable. Anyway BOINK. SPLAT. I had to remove the Phenom and boot with an X2-4800+ before I could get the Phenom to boot again. SCARY STUFF.
OKAY YEAH!
Using 1800Mhz NB/HT I can run Prime95 (Blend) without getting errors at least in the first few hours. This is running the memory at the FULL DDR2-1066 speed. (Before even if I put in old DDR2-533 memory it ran longer but eventually rebooted. Using 1066 memory it would error after a few minutes.)
In addition, because I'm impatient:: while 4xPrime95 (blend) ran for about an hour I kicked off the Everest stability test. That worked okay but it really slowed down the Prime95's. Then I ran the NVidia "Cascades" demo which mostly uses the GPU. All of these ran together. (Actually I'll kick them all off together when I go to bed. Maybe run the AOD stability test at the same time. They'll ALL run slow if you run them all together... but they should run without errors and without rebooting.)
NOTE: If I try running multiple stability tests using the default 2Ghz Northbridge/HT the system WILL reboot after a few moments.
SO I THINK I HAVE FINALLY FOUND STABILITY.
Sure I don't like the lower 1.8Ghz NB/HT... but at least this system is now running stable with this CPU, this MB and this memory. NOW I have a "zero" point and can "play." I know there is no "unknown" something that makes the system completely unstable.
So why do I need a lower NB?
Possible Reasons:
1. A Bad CPU
2. The BIOS needs updates
3. G.Skill F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK memory doesn't play well with AMD
Oh... pretty... and BEATING the crud out of the system. (This is a dual monitor... doing a screenprint will show both screens as if it was one screen. OH NOES... only 11.2 FPS in the game... THE TRAVESTY!)
Oh wait... I need some HD Tach in there to test the RAID hardware card. :-)
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2...xuserr4.th.jpg
Thanks for that tip KTE! When I was testing individually I noticed the HT Link didn't like to go very high. I picked up some 1066 Reapers cheap, but I'm still having trouble running in that mode. I'm blaming it on the fact that I have to run them in slots 3&4 because of clearance, but I still think it's a bios problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Yep, they still do that... Only now (DS5/F5) undervolts a little at idle, and overvolts a little at load. IE: 1.275v bios = ~1.265 Idle / 1.285 LoadQuote:
Also beware, DS5 I tested a long while back was overvolting especially under load - if stock was 1.25v then under load it overvolted to 1.280v. The feature carried over to the 780G and 740G offerings too.
Keithlm: I wouldn't be too quick to blame your G.Skills. I thought the same thing, which is why I bought the Reapers.. Still had trouble with them too. Pretty sure your right it's a Bios Problem!
The worst thing for me from all of this is that I had a Stepping/Batch that looks to be awesome (0810 BPAW). I RMA'd it because of this crap, guess I'll never know for sure but I gave it 5 days tweeking and this one is only doing marginally better... :(
Aussie:Concerning F4 Bios... Yeah, I went all the way back to F3 on the this chip without any improvement in performance. I did just realize I still have a copy of the F4F though. It's the only one I haven't tried, guess I'll give it a shot tonight.
Yep... 1st Rule of Phenom. HT Link Spd can't be higher than NB Spd, it's actually a good thing that Bios won't let you do that.. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by keithlm
I really hope that stays stable for ya! Running the HT Link at 1800 is not that big a deal, but lowering you NB to 1800 will have a more detrimental effect... If all goes well and you want to get a little more out of it try raising your NB to 10x while leaving the HT@1800.
Can't do that.... it's unstable with the NB at 10X.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
But I agree that all of this is probably the BIOS and not the memory. They made some pretty drastic changes between F4 and F5 for the NB voltages... so I'm sure they have more tweaks in that area.
You know: actually I might lower both NB and HT to even further to 1600 so I can play with increasing the HT multipler (What was FSB) to as high as I can. At 230Mhz the CPU would be 2875 and the NB would be 1840Mhz. (I think the memory can handle handle that.)
That would be nice... because if I can do that with just the FSB then when Gigabyte actually gets around to fixing the BIOS... I might be able to up the CPU multiplier and get 3.2Ghz. (3.4Ghz???) Of course first they have to admit that there IS a problem. (Which right now they are denying... RIGHT.)
BTW: as you can see in the picture I posted above... while slamming the system with 3 programs that can EACH use 100% of all 4 cores... the CPU temp only went up to 46C-48C. The Zalman 9700 ROCKS.
Dave: clearance from the cooler?
I use the Xig in the 9850 build and its an impossible fit - I just push the RAM under it though. :D
There's trouble with 1066 RAM IMO, my 800 works flawless, no C1 and o dead Phenoms ;)
I know I spoke fairly highly of the DS5 when I bought it after the K9A2 crash KTE... And it actually worked pretty well using the 96BE.
But this thing has been a nightmare with the 9850! I seriously doubt it's a problem with the PMW section of the board. The website say's it supports the 9750 (which is also a 125w CPU)... So I'm pretty sure it's a Bios problem.
Hopefully MSI will RMA my K9A2, even though it died during a beta bios flash which isn't covered under warranty. They've had it for almost 2 weeks now though so I'm not sure. Guess they have every right to reject it...
BTW folks, the F4f bios seemed to do a little better on the NB clocks (booted at 2200) but it wasn't stable either...
What happens when you raise nb volts, does it give more stability?
There is something weird happening here. I have zero problems with 9850. The only difference. DQ6. :shrug:
Which I thought was DS5 but with 2 more 8x pcie slots. :confused:
When I give mine more NB-Volts it gos unstable. (I think I gave it more NB-VOlts but that I might also have needed to give it a little bit more HTR-Core voltage.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
About the Dq6 versus DS5 I think you are correct physically... they are the same. So it all comes down to BIOS.
What do CPU-VID, NV-VID, NB-CORE and HTT-CORE, HTR-CORE voltages default to on the DQ6 with the latest BIOS?
On the DS5 with BIOS F4 these values are are 1.3V,1.3V and (???),(???),(???)
versus the F5 Bios with 1.2375V, 1.1375V, 1.255, 1.165V, and 1.162 Volts.
I think that the NB-VID, NB-CORE, HTT-Core, HTT-Core, and the HTR-Core Voltages may be very important.
I'll bet with a non-9850 Phenom and the F5 bios... that the voltages are either okay OR they are higher values and that with the 9850 these values drop below what they should be. (I'm just guessing. But it's the only real differences I can see between the F4 and F5 bios. I'll test higher NB-VID along with a bump to HTR-Core later.)
(EDIT#2: Added the NB-Core Voltages and now also the HTT-Core. So we have 4 values for voltages that might affect the NB/HT. BIOS F4 had 1.3Volts on the first one... but I didn't record the values for the other three. The BIOS appears to allow you to change all 4 values: it calls them: Memory Controller Voltage, Chipset Voltage, HTT and HTR.)
Why HTT and HTR? (Transmit and receive I think. But why are there separate values on this MB when it is only one value on other MB?)
Keith.
you're correct with htt and htr - send and receive.
I'm using F4 bios so here's my voltages
CPU-VID 1.3, NB-VID 1.3, NB-CORE 1.165, and I have CPU-HT 1.162.
I did change my NB-VID from 1.25v to 1.3v for stability.
These are according to AOD 2.0.17.
We need to test the same chip in a different board. Did Dave say he was getting a K9A2?
I've got a Gigabyte 780G but that's useless really as it has no overclocking options. (HTT + CPU volts)
You can't actually raise the NB v's on the DS5 Aussie. What the F5 bios does is lower the NB v's when set to AUTO to 1.138v. Then all options from there are minus settings, but if you set it to minus it subtracts than number from the chips stock voltage (1.25 for 96BE/1.30 for 9850BE).Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
So for example, with a 9850 Auto = 1.138/NB, but setting it to -0.025 results in a NB voltage of 1.275.... Very confusing I know, but thats the way it works. :rolleyes:
In reality you can never even get the NB to run at stock v's using the F5 bios. Setting it to -0.025 (1.275) is the highest possible. I've never even been able to get my machine to post at the -.025 setting though, so there may be something screwy going on there.. :shrug:
If you wouldn't mind man, would you let us know what your stock voltages look like on the odd things like Chipset Voltage, HTT & HTR? I think Keithlm may be on to something there. :D
KTE:Sorry Bud, I missed your question about the RAM sticks.. Yeah, it's clearance with the Zalman 9700, the Reapers have than big heat pipe sticking out the top. No forcing those bad boys!! :D
Thanks for the list of F4 voltages. I'll try some changes tomorrow. I didn't want to reflash F4 on my board because F4 was very unstable when I flashed it last time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
I did find that With the NB set to 1800 it will run Prime95 blend for 4-6 hours and then reboot. I'm now testing to see what happens with the NB at 1600.
The system stability seems about the same at 1066 or 800 memory speeds.
Today I got a second response from Gigabyte. The first response was "We know of no problems." When I told them to just look at any hardware forum they did reply; they just asked me how to recreate the problem.
I think the real problem is a combination of a lot of things... BIOS, variations in the CPU, different memory. But it should still be completely stable at the defaults.
WEIRDNESS: I just ran 3DMark06 at NB:1600 and it was actually a few points HIGHER than when I ran it at NB:2000. (Everything else the same.) I'm re-running at NB:2000; I'll probably also try out Vantage.
Funny I can run NB @ 2.2GHZ @ STOCK VOLTAGE:yepp:
Sorry for the cross-post Aussie.. :p: Thanks for the voltage info Bud!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
As far as the K9A2 goes, it's up to MSI whether they accept the RMA or not, if they do I'll be sure to keep you guys up to date.. :D
Yeah I can upto 2380MHz NB at stock volts on the 9850, fully stable, no more though. No idea why people are getting B2 sorta NB problems.
But you're not running a Gigabutt with a faulty BIOS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
BTW: This chip seems to like overclocking just fine... I can hit 2.9 at stock volts. (And a nice low NB.)
:woot: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=354855 :woot:
That's for you Dave :up:
Your turn now.
XP pro x32 was the answer.
Downside, it took 1.375v.
I have to install AOD now and tweak it, as I'm not sure of stability. I had to get this screenie done first.
Priorities you know. :D
Everest reads the G.Skill F2-8500 ram I have and shows that it needs tWR 13 and tRC 48.
The F5 bios only allows max tWR of 8T and max tRC of 42T.
(And the BIOS appears to default to 127nm on the rRFC... not 195ns.)
I'm not sure if these timings would make the NB unstable... but the differences can't be helpful.
(But since I can't change the BIOS to those values... I can't test the timings that are part of the RAM's EPP profile.)
WooHoo!! Gratz on the 3Ghz mark Aussie :clap: :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
Hopefully you'll be able to get it stable in the ~2.9 range.
BTW, glad to see you have your priorities straight. :ROTF:
Well MSI accepted my RMA, got the UPS tracking number tonight so I should have the board by next weekend at the latest. I'm really curious to see the results with the K9A2.
Keithlm:
I have almost the same ram as you the 8000 version which also has the strange timings as well all I can say is that the "Gigabutt" DS5 just doesn't like them.
I remember using the F1 and F2 BIOSes with these and they wouldn't even post consistantly with a phenom 9500.
The later BIOSes seem to have fixed that with the 9500, but I still cannot get my 9850 to run stable with them @ DDR 800. Too bad I don't have another set or ram to test this out.
The same set of ram in my DFI 790FX M2R run perfectly stable @ DDR 1066 with both the 9500 and 9850.
I think the main difference is that the "Gigabutt" BIOS is really buggy compared to the DFI and that they don't really seem to care about sorting it out.
Oh BTW which OS are you using?
Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaivan
I am a bit "into my cups" right at the moment.
But I thank you for at least confirming my less than scientific observation.
This ram SUCKS in the DS5. It worked VERY well in the DFI board I had for "oh such a short period" of time. Before either the BIOS or the Phenom blew up. (I'd bet it was the BIOS.) I even overclocked with no problems up to about 3.0Ghz. But MEH... But it did seem to be MUCH more stable then what I have now.
I hate wasting money. I can hope that Gigabyte can figure it out. (They do seem to be large enough to have some resources. Hopefully enough.)
But I suspect when I get back from my 2 week business trip that I will have probably ordered and received a new DFI board. When I'm in a hotel... away from home... I get VERY impatient. Enough that I don't care about wasting a few hundred dollars.
I would like to wait for the next iteration... but I have no patience. So I will get a "new" DFI 790FX-M2R. Just because Gigabyte is not competent enough to keep me happy.
Of course I could be wrong. If they release a new BIOS during those 2 weeks... I will come home and try it.
Who knows.
Personally I can tell you that AT THE MOMENT I'd rather pay a few hundred dollars and NOT have to deal with this Gigabyte board. (Rather than have problems for... HOW LONG... until they figure it out???0
It seems, at least on these forums, that DFI is more responsive to our needs.
(Although I have no personal bias against Gigabyte. I would LOVE it if they figured it out sooner... but I don't have the patience. And I think that will cost me a few dollars. ON THE OTHER HAND... this DS5 board with a X2-4800+ will be a good database server.)
WHO KNOWS. It's only money. BUT THE DFI BOARD "FELT" stable. This board feels "mushy".
GIGABYTE... FIGURE IT OUT.
OH... I'm drunk. I need to go pass out.
(BTW: I might end up getting a "normal" set of ram to tryo out also. Yet more money. Oh well. I have a need to show off a bit to the INTEL "Mafia". I'm tired of hearing them.)
Actually... being drunk: I'll tell my story. I had a socket 939 with a 3500+. Then I decided to get a dual core X2. I had somebody tell me I was an idiot for not throwing away my motherboard and my 4x1Gb of 2CAS ram ($400.00 at the time) to get a new motherboard, ram and CPU for a 5% increase in CPU speed. That was the first impression of the "Intel" fanboy club. I immediately realized that they were full of garbage. Beside... for YEARS the chips from Intel mult-tasked like garbage. Like I was going to belive that they got smart? And all the recent changes they have made have proven my decision to be correct: They have still used "questionable" methods to gain speed and win benchmarks. I'd rather have a chip that uses "hammer and tongs" methods work rather than "tricks".
But I digress. (And I'm still drunk. Oh well. At least I'm not making a 3 page post on Tom's. I have been known to do that when I'm drunk.) But then those long posts usually die out fast. Perhaps because I'm an idiot. Or perhaps because I post things that they don't want to attempt to debate. I'd bet more on the idiot viewpoint. But on the other hand... I've forgotten more about computers than many of them are old enough to have learned...
Keith, that was a nice post. :up: I wish I could type like that when I'm pissed hell I can't even do it sober.
Anyway the pertinant point of all that is that, you've forgotten more than they're old enough to have learned. I love it. :rofl:
It's not so tough being okd is it? Although turning 40 was a haze...:ROTF:
But I digress.........
Aye.. sorry. I get that way sometimes when I'm drunk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
BUT: back to this board.
I hate that if I use "optimized defaults" it boots but is not totally stable. It is good that if I lower the NB and the Memory bus to 1800 that it is much more stable.
WHAT really makes my head crazy is this: Theoretically I should be able to go in and set the voltages and/or speeds of either the NB or the memory and have it be the same that the AUTO settings use.
But in reality I can NOT. If I change some settings such as memory timings... the system is completely unstable.
I've also tried everything at the default except for the NB voltage... I was trying to manually set it to the same value that it automatically gets set to.
BUT I can not do it. My guess is that when you use AUTO on some of the settings that other things that you can not see get set. But if you manually set those values... then the unseen or "hidden" settings do not get set.
(Just a guess. I could be wrong.)
I've been thinking about this every since I read it Keith....Quote:
Originally Posted by keithlm
I think the simple answer would be.
1) Install a 9850 on the DS5 using the F5 Bios
2) Boot into Windows
3) Do a 4x run of Prime 95 Blend
4) If it doesn't fail on it's own within 10 minutes, Open a Web page... :rolleyes:
I tried corresponding with them too but after about 6 rounds of them asking me questions that I had already explained in previous messages I gave up..:(
I can understand a language barrier, but to be honest it sounds like they don't give a :banana::banana::banana::banana:...
This was my 1st GBT board, I bought a 2nd the 780G S2H for my HTPC. I even had to lower the HT Link to 1400 to get it to run stable which is not a big deal because of it's application. Needless to say though, I'll never buy another Gigabutt product!! :mad:
Seeing as how this has turned into a DS5 thread. heh..
What timings/settings/voltages (detailed) did you GSkill 2x2gig guys use to get 1066MHz? I can boot but I get lots of Memtest86+ errors.
This is my first Gigabyte mobo too- been having plenty of similiar problems as you guys as well. Unless they fix this BIOS soon this will definately be my last Gigabyte mobo- if not the last already. Sooo tempted to pick up a DFI board- and further deseminate the facts about Gigabyte's bad Phenom support.
I just use the auto options for the timings/settings/voltages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fulgore0rb
If I try to set anything by hand... the system ends up being less stable.
I ran memtest86+ with no errors for about 8 or passes. (everything at bios "optimized default".)
I can also run Prime95 - small FFS with no errors using all the sytem's defaults. But I have to slow the NB down to 1800 to run Prime95 blend. Other than the NB/HT settings in the BIOS... I don't change anything else.
To the guys with instability problems, you have disabled CPU Xpress tweak right?
No... I take it that you mean to say that its a Gigabyte "feature" for "unstableness". Should I be disabling all of the Xpress tweaks?Quote:
Originally Posted by Schneider
What is your "Row Cycle Time" (tRC) running at? I have a 9600BE so I wonder if yours will be running different auto timings. The memory claims it needs 48 but the BIOS won't allow anything above 42 (and does 33 on auto!?!) And do you have them ganged?Quote:
Originally Posted by keithlm
That points directly to ram. I notice most of the complaints are with GSkill.Quote:
Originally Posted by keithlm
I'm using Team (micron) others using Crucial (micron) don't appear to have this problem, so maybe that's the deal. It still doesn't excuse GBT one bit. :down:
It's probably been mentioned so excuse me if it has, but have you ramped up the drivestrengths?
Don't apologise for that post ^^ I loved it. :up:
I wish we could get DFI boards here, I'm seriously thinking of quad 3870's. I already have 2 but they won't fit over the Sata connectors on the DQ6. It was even a hack job to get 2 cards in. :confused::shrug:
It will be long time until someone imports them (DFI) again after the 590 debacle.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fulgore0rb
Anyway here are my settings: (Using "AUTO" in the bios.)
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/9...efaultsvx0.jpg
NOTE: What shows in the "AUTO" column while you are actually in the bios are not necessarily the values used when the memory itself is set to "AUTO".
This memory is in dual mode un-ganged.
Currently at this time everything other than the NB and HT all settings are at what the bios puts them at when you select "OPTIMIZED". (The NB/HT are at 1.8Ghz.)
I have run it with the Extreme "Tweak" stuff enabled and disable with no real change in stability. I have also tried with HPET enable and disabled. I have used both ganged versus un-ganged. 1 stick of ram instead of 2. I have also tried setting the row refresh cycle to 195ns. None of those things helped.
It could be the memory. But even if I change the speed to DDR2-400 it still has the same instability. Or I should say it MIGHT have the same instability. It takes MUCH longer to have problems. (And if I put in old DDR2-400 sticks... they have the same problem.)
It could be the CPU... and I would be much more tempted to RMA this if others did not have the same problems.
Perhaps I have two different stability problems. One that shows up at 2.0Gb NB immediately if the ram is at DDR2-1066... and another problem that shows up later regardless of the NB.
AUSSIE: When you say "ramp up drivestrenth" which ones? To what value? There appears to be 6 of them.
(I have attempted to play with them a little... but either I didn't notice too much or it immediately rebooted. But I'll try some more.)
ODT?
The DFI boards seem to show ODT (Cpu On-Die Termination) at 300 ohms.
This board appears to use 75 ohms?
This might be very important in isolating IMC problems?
I don't know.... I'll keep researching. (And I have to go on a lunch date. Sigh... women. Like they don't have their priorities right. Stability or lunch....)
been reading this thread awhile so figured Id put in my results with my 9850be. Overall im pretty happy with it it out benches my 6400+be and i have got it about 90% stable at 3.0G and 100% stable at 2.9. unfortunatly i have the Gskill 2x2gig ram and have run into the same problem as others with the DQ6 in that it does not acomadate the timings needed for the ram so im stuck runing at 800Mhz. With a little research i found that the gskill ram was designed to run on intell chipsets only. Anyways here are some screenshots of my overclocks. Oh and by the way i can run 3DMark at 3.1G but i get a crash everytime i try to take a screenshot. I also made a 3DMark run with the ram unganged at 1066 and scored 17,012 but again to unstable to take a Screenshot afterwords. This is on vista 64bit so I dont realy buy into the vista being bad for overclocking, I had my 6400+ at 3.65 as full time use for 3 months.
Im not afraid of high voltages so long as proper cooling can be maintained and on this setup its all air, Zalman 9700 on the 9850 at 3.0Ghz @1.5vots never went above 57 deg. under full stresstest.
EDIT: just relised that this screenshot put me in the top 5 3DMark06 AMD score thread. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=185979
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...427-193600.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...427-203549.jpg
:up: Good clocks Goldbrick.
I'm having the same problem at 3ghz at the moment, I can do most things but when I take a screenie - crash. 2.9 is completely stable though.
I'm getting much better clocks on XP. I couldn't even get close to 3ghz on Vista x64. Have you tried XP?
This ram thing is turning into a pattern. I wonder if the DFI guys are having the same trouble. -Campbell??
Keithlm.
I'm not sure about all those drivestrength settings either, so I would just play and see what gives. Don't push them too hard though,because it's a bit like overvolting. (laymans term) :)
It pushes the data through the ram harder/faster and can help with stability.
What resolution are you using? I had to scroll a long way to see the end of your post and I've got a 24".
Depends on how much you've had to drink.....Quote:
Sigh... women. Like they don't have their priorities right. Stability or lunch....)
The GSkill ram is clearly made for intel chipsets only as you can see on there product page here http://newgskill.web-bi.net/bbs/view...=g_ddr2&no=115. With intel's mem controllers on the chipset vs AMD's on the cpu die it makes sence that the timings for one or the other would differ.
I just grabbed some 1066 dominator ram and gonna give it a try. Hopfully i can get good results.
Like i posted above my 3dmark score went from 15,704 to 17,012 just by going from 800Mhz to 1066Mhz.
Ill post my results with this and my 9850@3.0 as soon as i get time to work at it.
I have also sence my last post got my 3.0G overclock completely 100% stable @ 1.558 volts and still only would hit 57deg. max on the core's and the cpu as the whole unit temp only reached 48 deg.
Edit. To answer you question Aussie FX, I have not tryed the phenom on xp however with my 6400+be i got the same Stable OC of 3.65Ghz on xp as I have on Vista64.
Yeah Schneider, I've tried it on&off, same with the EPP mem timings and manual adjustments...Quote:
Originally Posted by Schneider
I'm on my 3rd Phenom and 3rd Mobo and they all actually act pretty much the same reguardless of settings. I see these guys with 3.x Ghz benchies and can't help but think they are all just Suicide Shots, benchable but not stable...:(
I've been OC'ing AMD's since the K6/400's and I've never seen a chip as unpredictable as the Phenoms, it will run stable for hours, then the next time you boot it crashes for no apparent reason...
That being said, I finally found a stable setting with my gear (see Sig) 245x11x8x6 - Vcpu 1.275, Vimc 1.15, Vmem 2.0. Yep, 2.7Ghz, with an IMC slightly under 2Ghz and a seriously degraded HTT (1470).... But it has proven stable for the last few days and actually it doesn't perform all that bad. But not nearly what I expected...:(
G0ldBr1ck:I had the same thoughts, blameing it on the G.Skills, so I bought some OCZ Reapers (1066/Micron D9's). I wish you luck, but in reality I don't think you'll see any benefit.
Take it for what it's worth, but running your CPU or IMC over 1.35v's will just cause your chip to degrade very quickly (talking weeks here!)....
Wish you luck, and hope you prove me wrong.. ;)
Dave, yeah it exists with Phenom not the board, it'll happen on any board.
Just figured mine out with extensive testing by individual core clocking -- its when one core is weak which causes the freezing ;)
No more freezing for me :D
Still stock volts.
Well hopefully the SB750 will help with the htt clocking as I think thats the biggest problem when it comes to boards booting.
I can confirm my 3.2+ ss are just bench stable, but I'm not fussed with lower clocks, I can't tell the difference between 2.75Ghz Phenom, Phenom 3+ and my e8400 @ 4Ghz except in benchies.
Phenom 2.75-3.25 is bout 1500 3D Marks in 06 and finally starts nippin at the e8400's heels :)
Exactly, the more I compare my Phenom with a q6600 in particular and C2D's in general the more I think intel have made them to win benches and that's all.:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Schneider
In real world usage my Phenom is certainly smoother. Even my 9500 @ 2.4ghz. They just don't hesitate.
Would I do that? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
2.9ghz is completely stable though.
Daveburt714: I have read plenty of reports of the chip degrading and im willing to test this out. I have been overvolting mine for almost 2 weeks now and have not yet had a problem with degrading. Also your theory on the suicide screenshots may be correct in allot of cases but i have been running everything i have including allot of gaming (Crysis) and benchmarks for a couple days now at 3.0Ghz@1.56v and have only had a couple crashes and they were from the display adapter drivers crashing (ATI) wich i have happen when im not CPU overclocked most likely do to the high overclocking I have on my 3 cards. Maybe i just have a very lucky CPU, maybe i have a lucky DQ6 board or chipset who knows.
What sucks is i can only get stable with multi. cant get a decent OC at all with HT bus.
Im just happy realy that im finely getting near the 3dmark scores that Intel chips have been easily hitting. hopefully with the die shrink they will get the clocks up and maybe just maybe the phenom will finely bench like an Intel.
Edit: I have installed my 6400+be in my wifes DS5 board and cant get as high of a stable OC as I had on the DQ6 for 3 months. 3.425 seems to be max on the DS5, had 3.65 on DQ6. Im a little confused with this?
Another issue i could use some advise on is how to keep the bios from reverting back to F2 anytime there is a checksum error and the backup bios wrights to the primary? This is a massive pain in the arss! have to put in a old dual core to post then update back to F4.
Read the notes for the BIOS. For BIOS "F3" the last change was:Quote:
Originally Posted by G0ldBr1ck
"Added bootblock checksum support (The back up bios will be updated)"
SO if your board had F2 when you got it... and you immediately put F4 onto it... anytime there is a flashback it will go back to F2.
But if you flash F3... and THEN you flash F4... if there is a need to revert... hopefully it will go back to F3. (I'm assuming when they say "back up bios" they mean the "Dual BIOS". But I have never seen the BIOS revert... so I can't say either way.)
EDIT: Just got another answer from Gigabyte. Apparently since Prime95 wasn't written for Vista... they don't seem to consider instability of that application a problem; they want to know what else has problems. Okay... how about the Vista OS itself. It reboots itself with nothing else running while using the Gigabyte DS5 motherboard at default settings. I'd say that was a "slightly bad" thing.
I am SO getting fed up with their responses.
Ah, thanks i shall try that. On my DQ6 just about everytime i try to set manual timings on the ram it creates a checksum error and reverts to backup bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by keithlm
@Keithlm: If your running that memory at 1066 still I'd suggest you try running Memtest86+ for 10 passes on just Test#5.Quote:
Originally Posted by keithlm
Now that I'm not running 64bit Seti@home I haven't had a crash- something with 64bit is jamming up the works- I'll blame Gigabyte since my CPU has been tested on an ASUS board with 64bit PC Mark Vantage. 32bit Seti@home is just fine.
You making fun of me man... :rolleyes: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Guess I was a little disgruntled that night....
Anyway, I got my K9A2 back today, a day early even! Thanks UPS and MSI...:clap:
I'm gonna pull the chip in a few minutes and put the 96BE back in the DS5 so I can do some testing with the K9A2 and the 9850....
I'm sure it's gonna hit 3.5 stable!!! :rofl:
I'll let ya folks know my results, and hopefully at least give you a clue as to how many of my problems (if any) were related to the DS5 itself...
Ok Folks... It's like 3 hours, and 6 beers later.. :D
Maybe it's because I was weened on the K9A2 w/Phenom, but this board just feels SO MUCH BETTER... Granted this is an early evaluation, and I'm not sure where it's going to end up, but I can tell you that it makes alot more sense than the DS5 ever did with the 9850!!
Marginally better on the CPU clock (2.8 seemed stable) and substantialy better on the NB clock, 2400 seems doable! I couldn't even get Stock 2000 on the DS5... :down:
I'm using the 1.4 Bios, that came installed on my RMA'd board... The one wierd thing is that reguardless of what I set my Mem V's at it cranks them up to 2.16v's, higher than I would like, but if your running a DS5 turning up Mem V's might help stability...
Oh well, it's frikin late, guess I need to go to bed... Early evaluation though is that DS5 Bios definetly has problems! ;)
Nay, I would never do that. Did you click my links? ;)
Basically, what I'm point to is: my CPU is not a great one, infact its below average. 2756MHz is max fully stable on all 4 cores at once at <any voltage>
But, individually clocked, I can run 3000/2900/2700/2800 at stock volts perfectly fine ;)
Granted I'm on a board that allows no more than 1.38v maximum.
Also, I'm testing 210HT at the above multis now and its running fine, 1.38v. Don't know how long it'll last.
Keep in mind, max stable is 3055 1.35v on all cores in stability testers.
I beleive yours is better ;)
:gay:Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
Dave, you should have had 12 beers then you might have got to 3.5. :toast2:
You need a DQ6 for that. :sofa:Quote:
I'm sure it's gonna hit 3.5 stable!!!
:buddies:
Back to the Gigabyte MA790FX-DS5, the Phenom x4 9850, and 1066 RAM for a moment. I have had my system for almost a month. Yet to get any real use out of it.:mad:
It passed diagnostics but the PC was not stable from day 1. Ready boost was immediately jettisoned. Power supply was temporarily exchanged with a larger unit from another pc -- no difference. Found the 1066 settings in the bios too limiting for anything other than automatic with unganged 4 modules, which was subpar compared to the memory specs (memory vendor gave up – now there is a notation on some memory sites that 1066 memory support is limited to one channel – shouldn’t unganged get around this?:confused:). Processor died a slow death over 2 weeks, finally registering error on diagnostic tests – exchanged :down:. Have also had some other crazy problems. Now I have it so it only crashes every couple of days. I have to remove the battery to get it to restart after it freezes. :shrug: Gigabyte had me test it with a “supported” processor. I will likely exchange the motherboard and reload the OS.
I have done some tests with overclocking the CPU and graphics, but I must get it stable first. I think most of the difficulties in this thread are due to multiple issues, which definitely includes the bios.
*** I was told by gigabyte earlier today that a bios update to support phenom 9850 could be released in a week or two. :clap:
>>> What 1066 memory do people have working in a stable system using 4 modules? Is anyone getting full memory spec speeds? :shakes:
P.S.: My failed processor was not overvolted. It did run 10 degrees Celsius hotter than the replacement. My system temps are in the 30’s.
I finely got around to pulling out my crappy G.Skill 2x2g ram and puting in 4 sticks of CORSAIR Dominator DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) and this solved all my problems with the ram finely. No stability problems at all at 1120Mhz 5.5.5.15 22 2t. Im so very happy at last! Now I just hope i can get a refund on the G.Skill ram. I havent tryed to OC the dominator's anymore at all yet. this was just the first settings i booted with and havent messed with it sence.Quote:
Originally Posted by dyeager
seems to be the perfect ram for the phenom and DQ6. I would assume the DS5 as well.
Funny, I asked gigabyte support about if they had plans to add 9850 support and they said "The 9850 shouldn't be an issue with the latest BIOS [F5]"Quote:
Originally Posted by dyeager
HAHA you'd be surprised- I bet this thing has a self-destruct built into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by G0ldBr1ck
On another note: I have two different half-way 'decent' dialogs going with Gigabyte support (decent meaning they actually seem to be comprehending more than 10% of what I say and respond in something higher than pidgin english- which is rather sad since they require the question to be in english in the first place).
Dialog 1: Phenom support is flawed- and I can proove it with a 64bit application that runs fine with a non-phenom but freezes a Phenom everytime on the DS5. -They insist I use a non-phenom on my board before they investigate. Honestly WE are doing every bit of troubleshooting for these guys....
Dialog 2: Maximum tRC setting in the BIOS is 42 @1066... And I HAVE TO PROOVE IT WITH A SCREENSHOT before they acknowledge my request to increase the supported rating... WTF do these guys really not know anything about their own BIOS?!?
I think that certainly finalizes it- This is DEFINATELY the first and LAST Gigabyte motherboard I'll ever own... 'Tech support' shouldn't be this ignorant and stuborn to provide tech support.
Fulgore0rb: The Dominator ram I spoke of only needs 22 tRC for EPP. all other timings are correctly set as well.
Ditch the G.Skill you wont regret it. It was made to run on Intel chipsets only. with completly diffrent timings then the on die Mem controllers are capable of.
Even if you got the G.Skill runings with a bios fix at the correct EPP Timings. its only gonna be performing to the Intel mem controller performance lvl. Almost completly defeating the advantage of the IMC's.
This is my logical deduction anyway. with 9850be@3.0ghz and the same G.skill ram you have at 800mhz my 3d score was 15704. then i changed the ram out to the Dominators and changed nothing else at all just ran the dominators at 800mhz with its correct timings 5.5.5.15-22 t2. And my 3d score went to 15815.
I then set it to 1066 with small oc to 1120 And not a single problem.
Actually that ram is "optimized" for Intel. It does not mean that it is "intel only".Quote:
Originally Posted by G0ldBr1ck
For me the RAM ran with no problems on the DFI 790FX-M2R board. It can't run worth a darn on the Gigabyte 790FX-DS5. (And as your 3dMark06 scores show... there is not much of a difference.)
If (and hopefully when) Gigabyte actually fixes their bios... this ram should be just fine. It might be possible that Micron ram could run a bit faster... but not really enough to matter. (100 points in 3dMark06 is not enough to count.)
EDIT: Bios timings are not an exact science. They did not design and create this memory "just for Intel". They created the memory and discovered that it works at such and such timing; which may favor Intel. But that doesn't mean that if you change something else... like tRFC=195ns... that many of the requirements for the other timings might change enough to work. It also doesn't mean that it is "Intel ONLY".
Hi All,
Bios F5C for DQ6 is available for download from
Gigabyte site.
keithlm: Yes, I completly understand all that. But the fact that G.Skill has the ram listed for use with intel chipsets means that Gigabyte has no obligation to acomodate this ram and probly wont. The G.Skill just did not like running outside of its EPP timings at all and these boards cannot offer the timings needed. Therefore its usless to me at least for now with this setup.
Just a quick update Folks... Here are my current useable settings after only 2 days with the K9A2 (I won't say stable yet, not enough testing):
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3..._K9A2_9850.jpg
Keep in mind the best I could get on the DS5 with this chip was 2.7 with a 1980 NB, and a 1500 HTT!!
Aussie:I know it's not 3Ghz, but it's a helluva lot better than what was getting with the DS5.. :D I get the feeling that there are alot more differences between DQ6 & DS5 than we initially thought!
KTE:I didn't realize your smilies were links. ;) I'm assuming you used AOD for testing, do you have a system for core clocking? Just wishful thinking... I'm sure it's just turn one core up at a time and wait to see if it crashes (sigh...) :rolleyes:
Keithlm:I agree with you, I don't think there is anything wrong with the G.Skill kits. If anything it's the fact that the DS5 just doesn't handle 2x2Gb very well...
:rofl::yepp: This was my first experience with GBT too. Needless to say, I'm not too impressed either....Quote:
Originally Posted by Fulgore0rb
Apparently the DS5 does not support the 9850.
I just received this from Gigabye: (oops spelled it wrong. But then maybe NOT.)
I'm looking very closely at the Nvidia offerings now. But I'm still partial to the DFI.Quote:
The 9850 processor is currently still being validated by our testing department. Please revert back to an different processor for now until the validation is complete and whether if passes all tested, if so the processor will be updated and listed on our support list
Gigabyte doesn't appear to be very receptive to supporting the "premium" AM2+ CPU on their middle of the line AM2+ motherboard.
Luckily I am not poor... so I can write them off and move on and buy something from a company that appears to actually want to support the AM2+ CPU and get rid of this obvious nightmare.
I am actually almost to the point of NOT CARING even if they DO come out with a new bios in the next few days... by then I will be so fed up that I will DEFINITELY not care.
BTW: DO NOT BUY A GIGABYTE MOTHERBOARD. IT IS GARBAGE. I'm not usually this vocal... but this is BEYOND unacceptable. It is a travesty.
Very sad considering they list support for the 9850 on the DS4 and the DQ6. Apparently they may not support the 9850 on their "premium" garbage that they are currently selling as something that is "in between" their other two motherboards that DO support the 9850.
(Which makes no sense since it is BETTER than the DS4. But so be it. That is ENOUGH FOR ME. I hate writing off $180.00... but I'd rather write it off NOW rather than have to deal with these jokers.)
So... now it comes down to DFI... or a new Nvidia chipset. I have until about Tuesday of next week to decide if I want it when I get back home from this business trip. But I know that the DFI board I had for a short time had no problems at 2.9Ghz and this memory. (And I think 3.0Ghz would have been easy.) But then.. I don't overclock.. I always go back to "stock". But I'd STILL rather have something that was actually reliable. Based on Gigabytes response... I can NEVER count on them being "reliable".
Gigabyte. I thought you made nice stuff... I had a VERY good 6800 video card from them years ago... heat pipe stuff. But they are no longer acceptable.
Revert back to an older CPU and forget about the DS5 if it does not pass their tests? AS IF. GOODBYE GIGABYTE. You are becoming the JOKE of the motherboard market.
(Hey... I'm drunk. But I'm now mad enough that a few hundred dollars means NOTHING. And as I said... even if they came out with a new BIOS TOMORROW that suddenly solved all the 9850 problems.. I might still take this motherboard and break it into small pieces to make sure NOBODY could EVER get screwed into thinking it was worth using.)
Actually I just sent them this response:
(Yeah... maybe a bit too much. But I don't get this mad normally.)Quote:
Thank you for your response.
I have had enough. Now I am angry.
I am now in the process of posting to several "enthusiast" forums to make sure that everybody understands that they should AVOID BUYING anything from your company AT ALL COSTS. Maybe I won't stop everybody from buying from your company... but I suspect that I can at least stop a few hundred people from buying anything from your company.
Have a nice day. I hope you all die in a fire.
Geez Keith... You seem like such a nice guy!! :D
"Have a nice day. I hope you all die in a fire.", MAY have been a bit much though... :rofl:
If ya go the Nvidia route, I'd like to hear your opinions... :D
DQ6 is a much better board than the DS5 - less problems and erratic behavior. They haven't priced them differently for no reason :p:
Nm, nice going there. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
I'm using Sams Phenom MSR Tool to change multis - still testing, my Plat is dead and the Abit 770 has problems with max voltage being ~1.35v. I don't have another 790FX board here yet.
Full stability, i.e. 2 day minimum - just multi changing.
core 0-1-2-3
3000/2900/2700/2800 stock volts
3000/3000/2800/2800 1.38v which shuts down after 18-26 hours (PWM)
3000/3000/2700/2800 1.36v same as above
3000/3000/2700/2800 1.35v same as above
3000/3000/2700/2800 1.344v unstable core1
3000/2900/2700/2800 1.344v max stable so far
Testing 1.344v to see if it does eventually shutdown - just had a shutdwon after 33 hours uptime due to MB PWM cutting the power suddenly.
Keith :rofl:
I think u cannot generalize like that,saying that the whole company and their entire line of motherboards and products not related to motherboards are crap is just nonsense.They made a fluke with the DS5 or its BIOS obviously and thats it.
Phew,thank god i didnt go with the DS5 :D I was in a big dillema,first i almost went for ds4,then ds5 but eventually i took DQ6 and Im not regreting it one bit :yepp:
A question for DQ6 owners: Im on the stock F2 bios,must I flash first F3 then F4 and then F5 or can I immediatly flash to F5?
What are those symptoms like when your PC shuts down? My PC sometimes restarts for no reason me thinking the CPU is unstable (when testing). But if it's caused by overheated PWM's (my G15 makes my PC restart if I normally shut down. I need to shut down by PSU switch).Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Or an uber lock up where even power/reset buttons dont work anymore. Also happens sometimes to me. But I do have a 70mm AMD fan pointed at PWMs, also a 60mm exhausting air from behind the motherboard I/O plate. So Ive no clue what cooling it else would need.
You mean you can restart the system with the G15 normally but not in this case? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
If it shuts down like that, my system needs to be left off using the PSU switch which'll clear CMOS and then restarted again [not instant].
Many times my USB keyboard/mouse also fail to work at boot.
Basically, I choose to run stock volts, all is fine for days.
But when I choose to run anything above 1.344v at a stable setting to leave it running for more than 18 hours; between the 20-32 hour mark, it just cuts power and shuts down randomly :shakes:
Never happens before that, I mean I game it many times, Crysis, Fear, UT and stability test/bench it - nothing.
PWM temps are 30-60°C idle/load, which is well within range for them. Most of the time it happens mostly idling too, like maybe using explorer or switching Fx tabs, etc.
I haven't had it before with Phenom :shrug:
Yeah... I know. They shouldn't let me drive a keyboard after I've gone out for beer.Quote:
Originally Posted by -= rtz =-
But I CAN generalize like that. If this is the support we get with the 9850 on the DS5 board which is a fairly new release and not something that is EOL, then what can owners of Gigabyte equipment expect when AMD releases their 45nm chips? More of this same "quality" treatment?
This does not make me want to own ANY Gigabyte in the future; regardless of whether the DQ6 is a "better" board or not.
And at this point I say: It doesn't matter whether they "decide" to support the 9850 or they "decide" not to support it. Of course that would not be an acceptable path; not supporting a 125W chip on the cheap 770G motherboards is one issue... not supporting it on one of your "premium" boards is a completely different issue. Especially when you support it on the next step DOWN in your lineup.
I just wish I had read something like this post before I bought Gigabyte, it would have steered me clear of Gigabyte at all costs. I originaly had the the opinion that this was a "middle of the road" quality. Now I have updated my opinion. You do not want to buy Gigabyte unless you have absolutely NO OTHER CHOICE.
Sure, it was the only choice I had at the time I bought it. It was in stock at a local store and I didn't want to wait; I had just waited 5 days for my DFI board to get shipped back to Newgg. I didnt want to wait another 3 or 4 days.
But buying the Gigabyte brand is going to be the equivalent of taking 2 hundred dollar bills out of my pocket and burning them in the trashcan. Only burning money like that would probably provide some enjoyment.
Some good news - BIOS F5C for DQ6 released!!
Took them some time to add INB voltage adjustment :p:. Now if they only can add to that and allow overvolting (another 2 months maybe :rofl:)!
Keithlm You sure have my sympathy, Gigabyte have treated you like sh*t. I don't deal with their support anymore. If they can't get anyone there who speaks English :shrug: It's only the most common language in the world afterall.....
However as KTE pointed out, you haven't got the top of the line motherboard so overclocking shouldn't be as good. I would have been angry if a DS5 outperformed mine for $100 less.
Dave Only poking fun mate. :up:
Lightman How's the new bios.
rtz Yes you can go straight to F5 although I would recommend going to F3 first as it reflashes the backup bios for you too. :up:
Got a another reply. I guess they either ignored my last comment... or didn't really understand it. (Which is much more likely.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
Originally when they said to revert to an older supported CPU... what they REALLY meant to say was that I should revert to an older supported CPU and test to see if my motherboard itself is stable and has no apparent problems requiring an RMA. (And YES it works fine with zero problems when used with a 4800+ and the same memory. I can even overclock it... but I didn't really bother.)
Although their insinuation when they said: "if we decide to support the 9850 we will post it on the website" kind of made me... ANGRY ENOUGH TO CHEW NAILS. (Or rather I would break all the molecular bonds with my ANGERVISION® and the nails would just fall into powder.) :mad:
If they can support the 9750@125W but can not support the 9850@125W then they have some major problems that goes beyond the BIOS.
(If I underclock the 9850 to the 9750 speeds... it is STILL unstable; although it does take longer to crash/reboot. Actually I would bet that the "supported" 9750@125W is just as unstable... but I haven't seen anyone with a 9750@125W on this motherboard.)
BTW, just to let everybody know, it seems the correct translation of the word Gigabyte is: Ggthxbye :shakes:
(Being stuck in a hotel in Ohio doesn't make me any more patient. I want to GO HOME. NOW. I hate business trips.)
I agree with Keith. Their website was too slow around the time I ordered so I took the "Phenom Supported" notation at it word. You are also buying for future upgrade capability, which lack of 9850 support also brings into question. This upgradeability was the main reason for purchasing this over a q9450. Lack of 1066 support for 4 modules at close to full memory specs is also puzzling.
My quest for stability on this system... its getting easier to say what I have not replaced yet: Motherboard (RMAing now), video card, disks, os (reloading). I try to think of alternate uses for this motherboard and the Phenom 9850. No good choices.
More experience with SPD editing and debuggers than I would like. Had hoped to be pushing the system to higher limits.