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That's because Crysis 2 is a console sh*te. Crysis on the other hand will welcome that much power if you mod it enough... Good thing that the original Crysis is as advanced compared to what is coming out in the last 4 years...Quote:
Originally Posted by iddqd
agree,unless under MANDATORY WATERBLOCK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimitriman
So Nvidia's marketing department new instructions are: ''we are not faster, but we are quieter''?
That make sense. All the emphasis by some reviewers about the 6990 ''noise'' level (while Guru3d came to totally different results) is starting to look like Nvidia was preparing the field for what's coming march 22. Not faster but ''quieter''. The 6990 noise issue is totally exagerated and blownout of proportions, and you realize that with a 6990 in hands. But nvidia's marketing department is preparing the field carefully...
Food for thoughts.
... nice for air cooling ... but for those who want to water cool it ... man ... it's going to be a tight battle ... depends on overclocking potential ( that i really don't think it's going to be extraordinary ... 4+1 power phase for each gpu are as good as 570's vrm's ... same pcb won't give the same oc potential than a single gpu single pcb ... so ... meh ... let's see...
I know. I can't believe people will buy a 6990 or 590 and use the POS plastic air coolers on those cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Postmodum
But since reviewers REALLY insisted on the noise of th 6990, and since it's a non-issue since almost everyone will watercooled them, it looks suspicious to me... :shrug:
It sounds like a marketing department hard at work.
Just like it looks suspicious that every conclusion about the 6990 are: ''the 700$ 6990 is 10% under the 1000$ 580 SLI, so 580 SLI is a better buy''...
Why not do 1000$ against 1000$? Since when are we not doing $ against equal $ comparisons? So now we do 300$ against 600$ cards and we are surprised that the 600$ beats the 300$ cards? Doh.
Where are the 1000$ 6990+6970 Tri-Fire against 1000$ 580 SLI comparisons? Why the ''1000$ is better then 700$'' we can read everywhere. 2 cards against 2 cards, 2 PCIe slots against 2 PCIe slots, 1000$ against 1000$.
There is a BIOS switch on the 6990 to exactly meet the 6970 speed in 2 seconds for a reason. It's to go Tri-Fire in 2 seconds with a 6970. AMD did it intentionnally, it's not a coincidence! This is a genious idea! So why not a single word about that in ALL the reviews about the 6990? 6990+ 6970 = 1000$, just like 580 SLI.
We all know the Tri-Fire set-up will beat 580 SLI, but not a single reviewer out there did it. Why? There is a switch on the 6990 EXACTLY for this, but not a single word about it?
Looks suspicious to me. :)
Hardware.fr did it ! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Levesque
absolute massacre. possibly the best $1000 dollar setup out there. seems like with this setup all games become cpu bound even at high resolution. this is definatly an "eyefinity-only" rig.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
almost everyone will watercool them? thats just bull!Quote:
Originally Posted by Levesque
Thank you! And I'm french canadian! Thank you to my cousins! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
Crysis, 2560X1600 8aa, DOUBLE the framerate for the same price!!!! :eek:
580 SLI, 1000$, 32 fps. 6990+6970, 1000$, 59 fps!
Total ownage. A real massacre!
I second that. Water cooling isn't that widely used.Quote:
Originally Posted by dpa
The problem is not watercooling or not... this is a model reference, you have Sapphire, Asus, XFX + HIS who will have their own 6990 models, most stock 880-900mhz with their own cooling design.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kallenator
If really the sound of the cooler is a problem for one, use a third party air / water cooling or buy an AIB models is not a problem at all .. And again, i have myself got more infos about the noise, and try the card in a shop friend..
untill you mesure under Furmark load.... in games the level is absolutely normal ( well in a good ventiled case, so with some fans running ). Ofc as all card if you push the fan to 100%... good luck.
You have the Artic cooling solution who was alllready dealing 450W for the 5970 and a model is allready in line for the 6990 ( should be in stock soon ) ....
ofc this work too the other way for the 590...
Levesque, you really like those slides where the 580s are crippled by VRAM limit don't you. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Levesque
I wish these hardware sites would use the 3GB 580s that are widely available to do their comparisons. :D
Vega... by that thinking, then, they are comparing reference cards vs reference cards ... :) so it's a valid comparison :)
well believe it because I can assure you that 95% of people who buy the 6990 or GTX 590 will use the stock cooler.... I can also assure you that at least 70% (i would say closer to 90%) of the people who buy 6990 will not flip the bios switch or even think about OCing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Levesque
however this is XS so most of those thing don't apply. it will all come down to OCed performance for any of us... and if any other Fermi chip has been a representation.... this card will OC like a total champ.... stock at 612mhz.... who cares.... OC to 850mhz (or more)... now we are talking...
Who is selling these suckers? If the egg aint got it cant be widely lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Callsign_Vega
not to mention the 3gb is like $630 and the 1.5gb is $500..making the price comparison not comparable for that presentation.
We are talking about $700 video cards here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kallenator
Your average Joe isn't buying a $700 video card either. I would venture to say that a fair amount of people buying 6990 will be using aftermarket cooling. I doubt that someone spending that kind of money will tolerate that kind of noise for a 24/7 gaming rig.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650
Palit in Europe/Asia. And once every full-moon, you get one card showing on Newegg or Amazon. Or you have to import them from England or Europe. Good luck with the warranty. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by \/icious
Widely available. LOL! :rofl:
Since Nvidia is taking a beating by AMD 2Gb 6xxx serie, EVGA just announced they will make a 3GB 580 to save Nvidia's honor.
Gainward (in Europe/Asia again) was suppose to do one also. But the crickets are still chirping about that one.
The "widely available" was italicized to impart sarcasm. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Levesque
Gainward is just a sub-company of Palit. The Gainward 3GB 580s have sold quite a few in the UK but both it and the Palit are now out of stock. Gainward doesn't sell cards in the US as far as I know, just Palit.
you would be really surprised. I'm not talking about average Joe best buy shopper I'm talking about the average gamer who is dangerous enough to cobble together their own system and get it running. and the only thing they know about overclocking is that is voids warranties and "damages" your hardware. they run stock CPU coolers to boot.... these are the people who most often buy these dual GPU cards.... any enthusiast with half a brain gets a pair of cards for SLI or CFX... and I'm not just making this up... these are real trends that I have noticed from experience.... we never hear about these people on XS because these people don't belong to forums like XS....Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
You are probably right. I forgot about OCN or the the Intel QX on a Dell consumer.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650
Since it's weakness, and a free planet, why shouldn't I?Quote:
Originally Posted by Callsign_Vega
I'm not paid to hide that fact...
People should applaud AMD. it's Crysis for god sakes, and we get DOUBLE the fps at 2560X1600 4XAA compared to 580 SLI, and for the SAME price.
Same thing with Stalker COP and Metro 2033 at 2560X1600 4XAA. Almost double the fps! 3 of the most demanding games out there. And since it was with early pre-released 11.4 drivers, the other games in that review where not optimized yet, and not giving the same results. They explain it in the review.
But we are talking about Crysis, Stalker COP and Metro 2033! Double the fps for the same price!
We shouldn't be arguing. We shoud be applauding.
I'm sure a 3way 570 would beat two 580's in SLI as well at the same price point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Levesque
It's really not that big of a deal to be applauded about...
Yes, but with DOUBLE the fps? 3X 570 against 2X580? Would beat it with DOUBLE the fps in Crysis? Are you sure? Fermi is not scaling that well. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
I'm talking 2 cards against 2 cards. And DOUBLE the fps in Crysis, Stalker COP and Metro 2033, at 2560X1600 4XAA. Not 3 cards against 2.
Would like to see a review 3X570 against 2X580 with those settings. Someone can point me to it? Would like to see those fps doubling.
actually were im from 3 pre OCed 570's is only just over $900 so cheaper then all of them... but the 1.28GB is a little shy for my liking. Or you could get 3 6950's 2GB's for $270 a pop and be even cheaper. Unlock them to 6970's and your faster and cheaper still.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
Like I said before the majority of people who buy dual cards are not informed like we are or need it for a special application (I saw a guys system with a 5970 stuffed into a mITX box before...)
You're carrying on about 3 gpu's against 2 gpus relative to pricing, it should obviously have more performance potential.Quote:
=Levesque;U4783594
I'm talking 2 cards against 2 cards. Not 3 against 2.
3 570's fit into the same price and performance segment appealing to the same buyers.
Who cares as long as performance is still there. At that point its already a crossfire or sli setup so its not like comparing a crossfire setup to a single gpu solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
That was my original point more or less, 6990+6970 outperforms two 580 at the same price point but so does 3 570's at the same price point.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
It's not a big deal really.
Somebody ask W1zzard about this :shocked:
If that turns out to be true, then we have a winner :clap:
Nice find, hope it's true, that is almost fully clocked 580s. If SLI on a card is more efficient than normal SLI then it could be faster than x2 580's.Quote:
Originally Posted by japamd
I can't believe real specs and photos have not leaked yet, this is one of the most anticipated cards ever.
hmm 2 days delay
xfastest
@levesque
one thing your forgetting , the card actually has to work.
Last 6 months 4 ati cards and every one had problems, half of the problems screen flicker etc are across the all cards and driver related.
same setup switched to nvidia 570 sli and no problems.
Sent from my X10a using Tapatalk
oh well.... if that is true then it will be faster then a 6990 no question about it.... I would be surprised tho to see clocks so high on a card with the full 512 shaders though...Quote:
Originally Posted by japamd
maybe thats GTX590's version of HD6990's "switch", making the card run above 375W
You meant above 575W? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by -Sweeper_
as long as they can keep it cool and not as loud as a turbine, I'm ok :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by SQjay
I don`t think that the 590 will be able to be as quiet as it's said to be if NV wants to beat the 6990. And if what TechPowerUp posted about its clocks is true, then there is no way it will be quiet.(then again this could be a GTX480 scenario all over again with temperatures resembling those of the Sun's surface)
http://www.expc.ca/i-17979-ASUS_ENGTX590_3DIS_3GD5.html
http://i6.aijaa.com/b/00581/7711528.jpg
Picture, just in case they pull it. :)
They have gone batty if they want to charge 799 for something with 612 mhz specs and what will likely perform worse than the competition.
its even more expensive than the 6990 :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthShader
It's not the first time shops list cards before they go out for increase their traffic, so don't jump on this now thanks ( for price and spec )... even if it look... huum official ?
I will make a bad joke, but you have heard the fanboy: " yes it's but it's quieter of the 6990 !!!!! "Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
Put it under water and how does it clock?
And the pre-launch price could easily be inflated (if it is even real). :shrug:
What did you guys think it was going to be $500 bucks? You know Nvidia wants this to beat the 6990 but you have to realize that can't beat there own cards in SLI as well. This card will be between two GTX570's & the GTX580's in SLI in performance I bet..
If we cant beat them in performance we will beat them in price instead :p:
Who has the most pricey card... MEMEMEMEME!
:D
Here I'm hoping they would drop the prices...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lu(ky
I know, but a guy's gotta dream. :rofl:
$799.9999999 + tax + shipping?
bahahaha
"it's more expensive, and I paid more, so it *must* be better"
sooo not worth it, my 2 cents
It's 612MHz so I am pretty sure it will be slower than 6990, albeit at ranges of 5-10%. What I heard puts it miles ahead of 6990 when it comes to noise, however.
If it was similarly priced to 6990 it could be a choice that's as good as the 6990, but anything more expensive is quite dumb.
The 6990 by itself isn't a very good buy either. So I'd say keep clear of dual-GPUs this generation, and if you need something faster than a 6970 or 580 (can't guess why you would, if you're not running multiple monitors), go with 6950CF or 6970CF.
Unless you plan on putting the cards on water. That is what I love about dual GPU cards. first of all it's one less water block. It's a lot cheaper than getting 2 cards and 2 waterblocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by hurrdurr
honestly... you know what...
whoever considers a 6990 OR 590 wont mind 100$ more or less...
like i said before, i think having a polished off product that is quiet, cool, looks nice is more important than speed...
so what, a is 10% faster than b... but its noisier, runs hot, has worse support in games, looks worse...
get what i mean?
if i had the dough and were to choose... and both get the job done, and hey we are talking dual monster gpus here so YEAH, both easily get anything done you throw at them... then a few percentage points more or less in performance wont impress me, but whichever looks better, sounds better, is running cooler, has better support in drivers with frequent updates and good dual gpu support... thats the one im going to get...
but thats for gaming... for benching perf is all that matters, and for many perf under water or ln2 will be all that matters... :D
i think in the latter nvidia probably has an advantage, cause if they use dual 580 gpus and cooling and power is taken out of the equation by enthusiasts, then they should clearly beat dual 6970s...
for gaming, we will see...
Yes, we get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
The excuses and spins are already starting, even before the card is officialy out and none really knows about it's real performance, temperatures and noise levels. :rolleyes:
In regards of overclocking, while I can see that the potential is there with so much downclocked cores, I would be worried about cooling them with a non-stock cooling solution, be it air, water or ln2, due to the close proximity of power supply plugs and the second GPU core.
Yeah, the AMD/ATI fanboys are having a fit aren't they. I find it funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthShader
Hmm, I didn't know Nvidia's CFO resigned. And a few days before the 590 release.
I made a newz on it but not a really great success :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
Same old, same old... I'm running a 6990+6970 in Tri-Fire with 11.4 preview BETA drivers and everything is fine for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Played 4 hours of Dragon Age II yesterday, everything maxed out with PC high-texture pack, Metro 2033, Crysis, Stalker COP, every settings maxed-out with 4AA/8AA. Played all night long. Slept only 3 hours. :) Smooth fps all along.
Not a single bug/freeze/crash/BSOD all night! And with BETA drivers!
Mobo didn't melt, the noise was not bad, didn't wake my wife or my children, even my neighbor was snoring more loudly then my cards! And my room was not warmer after all those hours playing...
AMD cleaned the house recently, and 11.4 is a good signs of what's coming for them in the next months
I know I know. ''Yes, but I had a 3xxx serie ATI cards 8 years ago and it was a POS AMD drivers are so much FAIL''... blah blah blah.
It's not true anymore. :up:
Levesque, why do you keep copy and pasting this same post all over the net? This is like the third forum you've spam'd this on. No one cares that you played Dragon Age II yesterday on your 6990. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Levesque
It says he's stepped down for personal reasons and will be working until May 31, so what does that have to do with the 590's release exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
Yeah, OCN, XS, HARDCOP ... and he keeps pasting the posts ... And he calls fanboys to others ... jeez ... take a second to look at the mirror mate ...
As for Nvidia CFO ... the same with the AMD CFO ... it's some kind of a state of mind with CFO's :P
It's like a broken record isn't it, too bad kill filter only works when you're logged in eh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callsign_Vega
I think he needs his own blog site or twitter...
True. But when people say that AMD drivers are FAIL, when Nvidia cards are having problems with Dragon Age II right now, then it's totally relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callsign_Vega
So, a really recent/popular game is running better with beta AMD drivers then official Nvidia drivers. That's all. So much ''fail'', huh?
Not important for you, but for others, it is. And the ''AMD drivers are FAIL'' is getting long in the tooth. Same old, same old...
Don't start in here. You could have some posts deleted. Be careful. :)
Highoctane and Postmodum. Shoot the message, not the messanger. Personnal attacks. Same old, same old.
Guess what ? It's an AMD official game and AMD used the games for the HD6990 teasing. Fortunately, it works great on AMD :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Levesque
?!?! ohhhh man ... this so beyond my comprehension ...
Levesque, the fact ... and it's a fact, is that Radeon drivers have been kind of ... bad ... I have a 5850 and when installed the 11.2 everything went bad! I had to do a fresh install in order to make the damn thing work ...
So, i know that for the 6990 release, they had a team "refresh" in order to make these 11.4 a worthy release and i think they made it ... but, either way ... the present is drawn by past actions ... so no one can really forget how bad the drivers were.
I have AMD & Nvidia cards and i've been using both company's drivers for a long time ... and i can say that Nvidia drivers always were much more stable ...
But hey ... i'm a fanboy ... one of those fanboys that want the best performance / best product ... either it's green or red colored ;)
OK, how about posting on topic, your message has nothing to do with 590, you're only instigating/trolling at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Levesque
Quote:
Originally Posted by Levesque
Oh you mean the post where some guy asked for wattage usage numbers of Quad-XFire 6990 and I simply posted videos showing wattage usage of Quad-Xfire 6990? Man, that was some huge flaming. :shrug:
I can't help it if the videos also contained 3x 580s "massacring" as you like to put it, 2x 6990s in Quad-SLI. :cool:
Oh by the way, I talked to the mod about why my post got deleted. He said it was to get you guys to stop pestering him about "ruining" your 6990 "club thread". :D
Ok. Because YOU had a problem with 1 card, 1 install, automatically all the cards from tha tmanufactuer on the planet are like that, and everyone on the planet is having the same problem? So it's a ''FACT'' because of 1 installation that went bad?Quote:
Originally Posted by Postmodum
Are you Bill Gates on a pseudo or something? Sorry Mister President.
The planet is not turning around your keyboard and your belly-button.
For 1 really vocal whiner on the net, you have 1000 satisfied users who don't post. AMD drivers are fine. Learn to install. PEBKAC.
people have been saying things like this for years. oh yeah, ati drivers are good now. just use the beta drivers. right. the deja vu I get from your post makes me feel like hurlingQuote:
Originally Posted by Levesque
LoL you like that quote huh ? You've posted everywhere " Shoot the message not the messenger " ... oh well
But, talking about the GTX590 i'm feeling that at this point, this damn card is a so well kept secret that everyone gets pissed for not knowing s**t about it! ehehhee
I remember that HARDOCP had the 6990 a week before it was launched ... and they teased it ...
This is not happening with the 590 ...
So, maybe reviewers don't have access to it yet ... or the damn NDA is so tight that they can't even sneeze "we have a GTX590 in house " ... ehehhe
P.S. Sure... i'm the only guy saying that Radeon drivers haven't been good ... wake up to reality ...
P.S.2. Please, don't make this thread all about 6990, you have a specific thread for that you know ...
Someone posted that AMD drivers are FAIL. I was following the topic. Do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
Ok ok. I'm the only one on the planet, on the 20-30 millions of card AMD sold, that is not having problems with the drivers.
It's a FACT, since Postmodum had problem when trying to install drivers once. So I should go in a cave and stop posting, since it's a FACT.
Sigh.
Mine work fine.
Nvidia GTX59x is what I'm trying to follow, info relative to the thread topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Levesque
Why don't you start your own thread in wamps where you can continue your rants.
I don't want enter this driver troll war, but for be honest and fair, i have build 3 PC for 2 friends and my brother ( twin ), i get 3 phones / week for solve the problem they get in one games or another or video playback ( ofttly just cause they are dumb to search too for be fair ).. I have choose for them the 460 1go for the price perf / resolution they was aim at and as they was Nvidia user for don't let them lost and in the unknow of a new control panel, thinking like this i will be quiet... nice error from me ( it's the last time i do this for friends ). And no, driver from AMD are not perfect, but Nvidia drivers aren't too..
About DA2, i don't know if it's a backfire from AMD to the Hawx2 and LP2 situation ( maybe who know, they are in right to do it. ), but it's clear Nvidia got serious problem for make run the game with DX11 settings...
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/review...gon-age-2.html
GTX 580 = 24fps
GTX580 SLI = 53fps
HD6990 = 117fps
Since Nvidia designed the 590 only because AMD first talked about the 6990, and because the 5970 was faster (and still is) then the 580, it's totally relevant to talk about the direct competition of the product on topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
The 590 exist only because the 6990 exist.
You're talking semantics now....Quote:
Originally Posted by Levesque
Dual gpu cards have been around for years now, lets not set time lines for the reason brand x or brand z have one today or who was first, second and third with the technology.
If you want multi-gpu performance you can build an SLI or crossfire system and not even care about a single card multi-gpu solution.
Dragon Age II bug fix patch in the worksQuote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
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BioWare's epic fantasy romp Dragon Age II arrives today and there are bugs - "two biggies", lead designer Mike Laidlaw told Eurogamer.
His team is "aggressively patching" these and hopes to offer fixes "as soon as humanly possible".
"There's been a few minor [bugs] and a few technical hiccups on PC. The two biggies that I'm aware of - that we're looking at aggressively right now - are on PC there seems to be some compatibility issues with DirectX 11," said Laidlaw.
"What I would say there is if you fire up the game and and it's running particularly slow or stuttery, move the renderer in visual options down to DirectX 9 for now. We're working with NVIDIA/AMD to make sure patches are coming out, because some if it is actually in the driver compatibility. We'll make sure that's rectified and resolved
Let's hope this will be sorted soon ..
Thanks for the enlightenment cold2010 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cold2010
http://www.expc.ca/i-17979-ASUS_ENGTX590_3DIS_3GD5.html
A bit too expensive...
E: posted before already... soz
This thread has degraded into a half assed flame war, so I'll give a different view.
I think this generation of dual-GPU cards is a joke. Seriously. In the past, when we've gotten dual GPU cards such as the 7950GX2, GTX 295, HD 4870x2, HD 5970, etc., these cards have always been fully within spec of PCI-express power limitations. It's also always been done in a way that pushes the envelope. However, while all of the solutions listed have been "extreme", not one of them has had major compromises. They're all power hungry, they all have beefy coolers, and they all use specialized bridge chips to communicate between GPUs. It's stuff that we've come to expect.
Now, this generation, it looks like we're going to get 2 flavors of dual GPU solutions. Either quiet and less powerful (GTX 590) or very loud and more powerful (HD 6990). It's sort of like choosing between the Republican and Democrat parties; both are fighting for your votes but on different topics and platforms. I, for one, hate it. Why? Because by the sound of it, the competition is no longer about who can build the "best card", but it's about who can build the "best solution". This market has now approached a point where the technology is pushed to such insane levels that we have to choose which wave of "insanity" you wish to pursue, and each one of them has severe compromises. What a joke.
If this is where the future of GPUs is going, I'll be retiring from PC gaming at the end of my system's life. I want no part of it. 375-watts from a video card?!?!?!? My big LCD CCFL monitor uses less energy and gives off less heat, and it's more useful. Both manufacturers have lost their way, and if they don't change quickly, I have a feeling that this market will begin shrinking. Nobody wants to pay for a dustbuster, and nobody wants to pay for a sub-par "top end" video card either. When single GPU variants are approaching the 300-watt cap, you can't make a dual GPU solution without giving something up. I welcome the advent of vapor chambers as the successor to large heatpipe solutions. That's wonderful. Does that mean we can now build GPUs that are quieter? Or can we just build GPUs that use more power and give off more heat?
Nvidia and AMD... you both lose. :down:
Nobody is forcing you to buy it.
I kind of feel like graphics are going nowhere in the past 3 years, its mainly because of consoles holding back games. GPU's today are preety dissapointing, from nvidia and amd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Pistol
No, they're not, but as somebody that loves to play PC games, I must keep up with current technology with periodic upgrades every 3 to 4 years. Each time I've upgraded, the GPUs have given off a little more heat and used a little more power. A couple of the times, the coolers actually got quieter, so I thought they were headed in the right direction. When I saw the cooler on the 8800 GTX for the first time, I was like :shocked: . Now, that style of cooler is the norm on virtually all cards from about $130 up.Quote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy
This was a high-end GPU from 2002:
Geforce 4 Ti 4600
http://www.activewin.com/reviews/har...i4600board.jpg
This is a low-end GPU today:
Geforce GT 430 low-profile
http://www.takesontech.com/wp-conten...gt430-lg11.jpg
So what's the big deal? The cooling solution on the GT 430 is bigger, and I bet anything that the GT 430 draws more power than the Ti 4600 did 9 years ago. This is a $70 card we're talking about.
I mean, CPU's still only require very small HSF solutions to actually run. We put larger ones on by choice. What's Nvidia's and AMD's excuse?
GPUs have advanced many times more than CPUs in the same time period so that's not a fair comparison. If you make a personal choice to only purchase products with a given price or power envelope you would still see significant gains in performance each generation. It really shouldn't matter if the fastest products get hotter or louder as long as there is a wide range of products to choose from. Just pick the one that matches your needs!
So why is it that there is it that a $230 CPU can accept virtually any multi-GPU configuration and offer virtually no bottlenecks in gameplay? The Sandy Bridge i5/i7's are very powerful and offer up extremely high framerates if the GPU is fast enough to keep up with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy
Sorry, but I think GPUs are holding back current CPUs, and those CPUs are on dinky coolers too. In essence, a 300+ watt GPU is holding back a 95-watt CPU from reaching its full potential... something is wrong with that picture.
EDIT: Also, I'm aware of a GPUs compute capabilities. They are far greater than that of a CPU. Until more programs come out that actually use the power of a GPU in a useful way (folding and GRID is neat, but that's about it) it's really not a good example of how GPUs are being used.
607 mhz?
Translated link:Quote:
Originally Posted by cold2010
http://translate.google.com/translat...590gtx-p3d3gd5
:shocked:Quote:
Support performance improvement over 38% of the voltage function
In addition to basic fan speed control and burn-in testing, MSI N590GTX-P3D3GD5 supports Afterburner super voltage function, pressurized by a 607MHz core clock setting raised to 840MHz, an increase of up to 38% overclocking potential, and then with the advanced graphics technology game , gives players more smooth gaming experience.
Taking a different view (i.e. gamesplayers = beta-testers for numeric co-processors),
these rumoured clocks are faster than used in Tesla Fermis. So for all us cuda.elves,
this card may be an interesting upgrade for our fleets of dusty 295's.
:shrug:
Nvidia to launch GeForce GTX 590
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Nvidia will release its GeForce GTX 590 graphics chip on March 22 to take on AMD's recently released AMD Radeon HD 6990, according to industry sources. The AMD Radeon HD 6990 is priced at US$699.
Facing competition from Nvidia, AMD has begun to cut prices by 20-30% for a number of older models, including Radeon HD6870/6850/5870 and 5850. Nvidia followed suit, lowering prices for its GT220, GTS450, GTX460/465 also in a range of 20-30%.
Consequently, Asustek Computer has lowered the price of its Radeon HD5870 graphics card to NT$6,000 (US$203) recently from NT$14,000 in 2010.
huum digitmes live in the past or ? 5870-5850 are completely EOL, GTX465 is no more produced, same for other Nvidia cards listed..
Fermi's don't have full DP support.Quote:
Originally Posted by nnunn
That would make the GTX550 officialy pointless, as long as 460's are available.Quote:
Nvidia followed suit, lowering prices for its GT220, GTS450, GTX460/465 also in a range of 20-30%.
So again Fermi cards scream and OC like demons. Fastest card (dual gpu) is a given.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Pistol
840Mhz? Not bad. Considering an over clocked 6990 doesn't match the performance of stock clocked 580's in SLI in 95% of benchmarks, the GTX590 might turn out to be faster after all.
... when overclocked and volted properly. Not suprising when it's downclocked that much from the start, is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Callsign_Vega
Why isn't it launched with higher clocks from the start if it clocks so well? :rolleyes:
Would be very eager to see: 6990 + 6970 VS GTX 590 + GTX 580.
I think nvidia will winQuote:
Originally Posted by CedricFP
You cannot do GTX590+GTX580. Its dual SLI (1 590) or Quad SLI (2 590) only.
Wrong. Full Fermi consumer chips like GF110 have full DP support. It's just that performance is artificially limited to 1/4 of a similar Tesla chip. DP performance is still much faster than with the older Nvidia chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthShader
DP isn't practically ever used in games and not even used in GPGPU apps like Folding@Home. I'm actually considering putting 2-4 of these GTX590's to my folding rig :cool:
590 OC ability depends on the cooling and how much power you can draw from the pci-e connectors and how well the circuitry handles it. With stock cooling it's going to be hard to keep the overvolted card cool even if it could draw enough power from the psu. And the PSU 12V rails need to be quite beefy if the amperage exceeds the limits considerably.
So, Fermi does not have full DP support.... :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ahu
If you are able to devote 1600-3200$ towards humanity's good then awesome! Just hurry up with the orders, rumours has it there won't be a big supply of those... :rolleyes:Quote:
I'm actually considering putting 2-4 of these GTX590's to my folding rig :cool:
You mean Desktop cards based on Fermi architecture, because Tesla cards based on Fermi architecture DO have full DP support.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthShader