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ok , where's my whip?
Jaco -> :cord: <- Martijn
well said Jaco :)
Well, I got my stuff a couple of weeks ago. I've been pretty busy the last couple of weeks to do much with it, but I managed to get it assembled and do some testing with a livecd. The board came with a so-so amount of visible damage(it's ebay after all...), one of the 8x pci-e slots is somewhat broken(but the pins look all there and luckily not touching), a few bent capacitors(not to the extreme of breaking), and most concerning is the bottom of the board looks like it has rust on the solder areas or some unknown substance... Despite this the board seems to work just fine, stress tested it with linpack for a few hours and it didn't fail. Got the IPMI working as well after some futzing, one of the SMD capacitors on the module was half attached and needs to be re-soldered eventually.
I'm hoping to find some time over Christmas break to get it fully setup, need to pick up some of those 40mm fans as the one in the PSU is definitely too loud. Still debating on how to handle storage for it, tempted to go with solid state over a laptop drive. I'm thinking about doing some virtualization with it so I can run a firewall/router and separate linux partition.
:sofa:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaco
Just curious how exactly you handled the PSU fan, did you just unplug it and instead rely on one of those quieter ones as an intake?
What model deltas are those, along with CFM/dBA? Trying to decide how much flow to go for, as I know it shouldn't matter too much for the CPUs, but I just want to make sure the PSU stays in spec.
ok, here goes last attempt: does *anyone* know how to decypher the diagnostic LEDs on the Intel mobo? :(
also.. I'm gonna make a list of minimum things that need to be done/plugged in for this system to work, I want to do this so I can run it by u guys & see if I'm missing anything... ok here goes:
CPU power
mobo power
CPUs
RAM
CPU fans (using appropriate headers)
1 HDD
front panel - power button
is that it?
I take it your sausage-man rig won't post. Have you tried it with only one CPU?
he added a pci slot to the board maybe a short on one of the pins.
Added? As in soldered onto the unused pads? Risky business.
that would require a CPU blank according to IntelQuote:
Originally Posted by D_A
ya, he's got a thread on it somewhere, that where his avatar pic came from,lol.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=192842Quote:
Originally Posted by D_A
I *highly* doubt a short as I got power to the slot functioning - if there were a short, the LAN card I tested with wouldnt have lived ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by fart_plume
So what LED pattern are you getting on the diagnostics? (I'm looking at that page(s) in the manual now)
pic incoming :)Quote:
Originally Posted by D_A
ok so as per mobo manual - there is 3 diff combos per 'array' (pair) of LEDs: red, green, & red+green (referred to as amber in manual)....
http://fyew6q.bay.livefilestore.com/...012009222b.jpg
i'm getting green on LED pair #1
& amber on LED pair #3
Book sayd "Keyboard/Interface error". Do you have a keyboard plugged in?
thats the last thing I would have expected :-/Quote:
Originally Posted by D_A
in that pic - no, *but* I have had the same error code *every* time & on many occasions had a PS2 kb plugged in :(
Suggestion/guess/worth a shot ... pull the CMOS battery out, reset BIOS (with CPUs in) and try again with keyboard plugged in. Who knows.
Are you getting any beeps with that POST code?
ok. will try.Quote:
Originally Posted by D_A
btw, could I ask what page(s) were u looking at to figure the code thingy? I desperately want to learn! :yawn:
as a example, I'm looking here:
notice the page of manual doesnt correspond with what adobe says on the side :rolleyes:
http://fyew6q.bay.livefilestore.com/...sy%20pages.jpg
nope :-/Quote:
Originally Posted by D_A
The only reference I found in the manual to that hex code (the binary translates to 04Ch) is on page 128 of the manual (140 to your document reader).
done - still no go :(Quote:
Originally Posted by D_A
Just a thought ... try to boot with the keyboard attached but when it stops start pressing keys ... F1, Esc, Enter etc. The manual says something about waiting for you to press an "appropriate key" ... whatever that might be.
mm, ok will try.. btw: at no point does *anything* show on the monitor :(Quote:
Originally Posted by D_A
sooo i'm not too sure if it'll help much, pressing keys & such :shrug:
Uh, I got these differing results instead(see below), though I'm not sure what error it refers to...
The document is a little confusing if you read through it quick (I came up with 0x4C the first time as well), but if you read through it again you'll realize the green and red LED arrays each individually define a nibble(4 bits) of the code, versus each tri-color LED representing a pair of bits in the code.
Code:Upper Nibble (Red LED array): 0010 => 0x2
Lower Nibble (Green LED array): 1010 => 0xA
=> 0x2A Post Code
ok, did a keyboard 'mash' at power-up, no go still
Apparently there was a bug fixed in Build 0013: RC01.01 that caused a long delay with blank screen, have you tried just leaving it for a while?
I did actually - it just turned itself offQuote:
Originally Posted by D_A
& so this code means? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by rcofell
Hmmm ... you're right on the codes ... pity there's no string anywhere in the manual containing that hex code. Bummer.Quote:
Originally Posted by rcofell
Ok ... left field guess. If the fan on CPU2 plugged in properly?
Not sure :(Quote:
Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss
It's a port 80 POST code, but I don't know how much they vary from board to board...
For Intel's desktop boards it's supposed to refer to something having to do with the chipset/memory, at least that's what this page says, but I don't know if they switch it around for the servers boards or not.
Some of the other lists just have it as reserved, so it's even more unknown I guess.
hehe - see now ur gonna hate me...Quote:
Originally Posted by D_A
lemme go from the top: this is the 2nd stick of ram i have had - i RMA'd the first, as I got the exact same error code with the 1st stick - I thought the 1st stick was DOA :yawn:
now.. the same error code, diff/new DIMM...
with the new DIMM I have not plugged in any CPU fan (for either CPU1 or CPU2).. nor have I plugged in a HDD
*however* I did try the 'full monty' with the 1st DIMM I had - & I mean everything, CPU fanS, HDD, keyboard, monitor - the works.. it brought about no change when I was dealing with the 1st DIMM...
:shrug:
I would have thought you could still get to the BIOS without a HDD.
Which slot are you putting the RAM module in? The manual mentions a possible error if it's in 1b instead of 1a (for a single stick)
Not plugging in the fans shouldn't make a difference, these CPUs are meant to run fanless most of the time...
in the very top oneQuote:
Originally Posted by D_A
I tried all slots with 1st DIMM
Well, from I can tell those Intel boards use an AMI bios, so looking at their POST code document here returns:
So of course that PCI part stands out :-/Quote:
2A
Initialize different buses and perform the following functions: Reset, Detect, and Disable (function 0); Static Device Initialization (function 1); Boot Output Device Initialization (function 2). Function 0 disables all device nodes, PCI devices, and PnP ISA cards. It also assigns PCI bus numbers. Function 1 initializes all static devices that include manual configured onboard peripherals, memory and I/O decode windows in PCI-PCI bridges, and noncompliant PCI devices. Static resources are also reserved. Function 2 searches for and initializes any PnP, PCI, or AGP video devices.
EDIT: Would be nice to have one of those POST debug cards that displays all 16-bits of information (4 hex digits) so that you could tell what bus/area it is stuck on, as the upper byte is used to tell what sub-function it's on...
Try one below it. I believe I have got mine there as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss
development!
it now turns on, then straight off again :shakes:
I think.. we'll call it a day fellas :( thank u very very muchly for all ur help :bows: - I envy those who can 'decypher' the error codes :toast:
in my PCI slot mod thread I already have written this lil adventure of as a fail :rolleyes:
thank u all again, greatly appreciated! :up:
Perhaps try pulling the extra slots out (gently of course) and try booting again?
No problem :)
Now that means I can finally go to bed, as it's already after 5am. One of these days I'll finally get to bed before 2am...
You are using a PSU with the extra 8 pin plug aren't you?
:( sorry for keeping u up sir! :p: :D :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by rcofell
oh it involves far more than just 'pulling' i'm afraid :yawn:Quote:
Originally Posted by D_A
i'll just buy another mobo sometime soon seeing as I already have the ram, cpus & backplate :rolleyes:
:up:
:yepp: PCP&C 750W :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by D_A
More than covers the highest rating, too. :shakes:
Time for bed for me. I'll keep mulling over this now too, dammit.
many times over :DQuote:
Originally Posted by D_A
I think MM mentioned @ load max is 100W iirc :rolleyes:
dont, please.. I say we've covered about everything, which leaves us to one 'logical' conclusion:Quote:
Originally Posted by D_A
its that slot I added :yawn:
'night 'night! :up:
Time to whip out the solder sucker and un-mount it then. ;)
if I did that, & it works... I swear I'll be pissed.. very pissed.. cause imo, the slot, with nothing in it, is merely an 'extension' so-to-speak of the traces within the mobo. Its like putting in an extension cord into a power outlet - it shouldnt affect the main circuit.. u get where I'm coming from? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by D_A
Somthing is detecting the extra slot.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss
Either electronical or bios.
bios code is prolly turning off the board telling it has a current overdraw. It's possible that they drilled an extra pin hole in that slot that is not mean to get a pin, such as, how it knows which slot is which, whether that trace maybe part of a feedback loop feedback for a particular slot and by connecting all the pins you now have two slots saming they are the same one.
code 2a is in the manual on page 139.
it references dim codes on page 143.
exactly which sspec cpu do you have?
which board rev?
which bios rev?
did it work before the mod?
I was searching for "02a" :shakes:
It's looking like that extra slot might be a bad thing after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by manual
Bios can't handle the extra slot maybe?
No idea how the bios is programmed , but it could just simply fail if it detects something unusual like the extra pci slot.
Might be as simple as not having enough pci addresses in the pool to cover everything, so it craps out.
the chips are essentially pentium-M's not prescotts..Quote:
Originally Posted by gongo
they are Yonahs, a dual core pentium M, sucessor to the Dothans..
Well, PNI stands for "Prescott New Instructions" and is SSE3, much like SSE was originally KNI (Katmai New Instructions). :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gongo
The reason it's probably picking the Prescott for your mtune is because the instruction set matches with it, as beyond that I don't think the compiler care all that much. I assume it's just trying to optimize around the available instruction set and not really assuming too much about the cpu's organization, but I may be wrong to a degree on that latter part, who knows.
I would suggest maybe trying "-mtune=pentium-m" with "-msse3" to see if there are any advantages, though I'm not sure how much it takes advantage of SIMD instructions unless you use "-ftree-vectorize" as well.
Personally, I don't really expect very big gains out of compiler optimizations(beyond "-O2" or "-O3"), unless you change to a completely different compiler, as from my experience it didn't really help on something like GNUradio (a signal processing framework), where implementing a routine in assembly using SIMD instructions made a night and day difference between any attempts with compiler optimizations.
I putting it down as a 'bricked' mobo.. so I'm going to have to buy another once I get some spare cash :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by gongo
... and if those aren't as rare as rocking horse ... shavings ;) ... I don't know what is!
when ppl were BSEL modding their C2D's, they were modding the ones that had a lower FSB, yet same amount of cache etc as another C2D model in the Intel model line-up.. with these Yonah CPUs, there is no higher FSB than 667 - maybe thats why BSEL modding aint working? - if there were 800FSB Yonah, then it might work.. anyone follow me? :shrug:
BTW, where the hell is the info, esp stepping for that ultra rare 2.13Ghz CPU?
All sossaman systems are rare... I bellieve my CPU stepping wasn't even to be found on the Intel CPU finder.
EDIT: Just checked, none of them are.
AFAIK, the important thing is that the NB have support for 800 in this case. But I'm not sure if there are working BSEL pins for that on this mobo.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss
You're right about the corresponding mobile chipsets, the 945 series, they run at either 533 or 667.
Be sure to let us know when you get there :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by gongo
Now thats a Sammy spelled SAMMY!:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by gongo
Sorry to hear this but my Thanks for making the effort!:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by gongo
From memory this is a 7520 chipset, the same as on my old Dual xeon Irwindale(3600/2mb/800) so in theory 800FSB is supported but I asked Franck(CPU-Z) back 2 years ago about it and he said the Supermicro board had 2 PLL's to back each other up so no go on making changes. Then I tried the pin mod to 200 and it just did 166..
It's there, somewhere, just have to find it..:shrug:
OOPs, just checked, chipset on my Irwindale rig was a 7525 not 7520 so there is a difference.
Tried to change that Crystal next to that pll chip?Quote:
Originally Posted by gongo
If you change it little faster it should raise the FSB :]
Hell guys,Quote:
Originally Posted by gongo
Alot of you might not know me but some old and evil people do.
can you ALL
Please check on your boards and confirm if the clockgen is
ics932s208
or
CK409
lol i can get that info for you when i get home.Quote:
Originally Posted by ibby
Whats the easiest way to check for it? I havent touched a clockgen since Pentium 1 days.
ibby is one sharp dude when it comes to this stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by gongo
he and I started talking about this last year but then he moved and it sort of got forgotten.
I spoke with him tonight, he has chips but no board.
my thinking is I send him 2 boards,mem and heatsinks.
He pays for all but one of the boards.
That one is on me for him to try mods on.
Make sense to you guys?
Just a question to those guys wanting to OC with a clockgen--why won't physically breaking one or even two of those clockgens work? As I understand, the entire purpose of redundant clockgens is to ensure that if one dies, there's another one to make sure it keeps running. And heck--most of us have a desktop with a single clockgen--and it's rare that one of those die.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_1113.jpg
BRB i'll go take a look at what those numbers say.
The white sticker says FBB_07
i have no idea what the other chips say because i stupidly put an enzo over it for the hell of it. And i cant peal them off.
:T
My sammy is definitely the blingist out of them all. Ask dave. :X
Quote:
Originally Posted by gongo
Quote:
Originally Posted by gongo
No need to apologies you have made some very good points and are miles infront of me:up:
Hello guys,
I’ve been looking at datasheets and acquired some advise and help from an proper guru persivore.
These are my findings
To reach the magic 200 MHZ maybe a lot harder then I initially anticipated.
But here goes!
FS_A = 0
FS_B = 0
And
B6b5 = 1
0 = Ground
1 = some voltage of some sort with a value
Lets talk about this value B6b5
Me and my guru came to a conclusion that this value is acquired either from the BIOS or PLL.
So unless some one can reprogram the PLL, I don’t think applying extra voltage to any of the pins, FS_A or FS_B will give us the desired results we needed.
From my previous experiences with ViL ViH, it made very little difference apart from sometimes increasing stability and lowering cpu life.
Admittedly the easiest solution would be to use clock gen, but I think the BIOS is also playing a roll in not letting you get to 200FSB.
Can some one give me a link to the current BIOS, and tell me what version / revision and what brand it is?
are these award ?
or phonix ?
thanks
For those of you running sossaman rigs who want to pin mod their CPU's to 200FSB take a look at this from our very own forum: Link here
I own a couple of socket M (479) motherboards so I am very interested in this particular tech.
I just wonder if one of these sossamans will go into an AOpen i975xa-ydg motherboard! If they can I may have to set a WR!
ibby im having dave send you a extra board to monkey with.
i know what your capable of with bioses...
:up:
any one got a BIOS saviour ?
What ever you have heard its all wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
different pinout than the yonahs, I tried a yonah in the Intel board and no go..Wouldn't post..and I have two T2300's that I tried together..Quote:
Originally Posted by Anarki
Opps, forgot.. Ordered 3 Intel boards last night.. two for Ibby and one more for me to have..:)
So they have the same pin layout as socket M (479) Yonahs/Merons, but have a different pinout?Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Did Intel do this to prevent dual Yonah/Meron setups? Or do the sossamans have a particular code that allow SMP? I mean they aren't even 64bit capable!
Crazy weird CPU's these sossamans! If I could get some for cheap here in the UK put me down for a dual sossaman setup on that cheap ass $19 Intel board you all have!
hey dave, you seem to know quite a bit about sausage man rigs, is there a board with quad sockets? :rofl:
I don't know why they did it but yes, same socket put different pinout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anarki
A shame.. Think of a couple top Meroms in one of these boards.
ibby is getting two boards from me but I bought three.
If you want one of those I could send him the three and you two can work out shipping one to you.
He's also in the UK..
They just shipped from california today so you have a few days to think about this and talk with him.
If there was it would be here..:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by just a noob
Perfect PSU for Sammy:
http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx
$49.99..with a $20.00 MIR..
24 and 8 pin power..
I dont mind helping him out :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
but remmber to sell him the rear cpu plates and heatsinks! :up:
Thanks for reminding me, I'll order a couple of the cpu plates. The heatsinks I can drive down to get..19 miles from here.Quote:
Originally Posted by ibby
The actuall brackets supplied with the board are not wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
they are made for case stand offs.
Can you tell me,
Does the board post with one cpu ?
or do both need to be plugged in ?
no, two cpu's needed to post OR there is a dummy available, like they used to need with the old dual P3 xeons..Quote:
Originally Posted by ibby
can you do me a favour please
see if you can aqure me a dummy processor!
I dont want to remove to hs to get to the socket every time!
Trust me, the easiest one you ever worked on..Quote:
Originally Posted by ibby
cake as we say here..white cake and plenty of room even in a case..and you can test without fans..:rofl:
at 100% load and no fans it's 68C.. With a 80mm cheapo fan it's 34c..
Idles app 21c in a 72F room..:rofl:
You don't want to close it all up in a case without fans though. The first time I did that my CPUs were at 100C :shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Placed a 120mm 700rpm fan over it and they're now at 40Cs loaded.
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Originally Posted by Movieman
Yes but it makes my life easier to wiremod one socket and try :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
So where are you guys finding these Sossaman CPU's for sale? Preferably the 2GHz ones :yepp:
send a PM to Movieman :up:
I urgently need BIOS Screen pictures of the CPU config page
and any selectable options
Thanks
That I can do..BUT since I never learned how to capture on it will have to be camera pics of the screen..Is that ok?
THats fine please :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Ok, off to get them..Quote:
Originally Posted by ibby
I think you have fallen asleep :rofl::ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman