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Originally Posted by Boschwanza
+1 :shrug:
Still no response...
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Originally Posted by Boschwanza
+1 :shrug:
Still no response...
I agree with you Lightman. The only workaround I could think of would be to run the Sam2008 Tweaker in the Windows INI file and hope that it sets the voltage before Windows gets to the point of locking up....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
On the down side, I haven't seen a whole lot of improvement in IMC speeds by raising the voltage (the highest I've gone is 1.312 though). It still seems to hit a wall around 1950mhz, and I know the chip was stable at 2Ghz on the MSI K9A2, so the board may actually have a lower limit (DS5 not DQ6).
Sorry Aussie, I was hoping for better too... Not done playing yet though. :D
On the bright side, I could lower the IMC all the way down to 1.125 and still keep it at 1950mhz, so I'm sure that would help chip life and temps. Ofcourse theres still the question of running high Memory V's with low IMC v's, forunately my memory will go all the way up to DDR2/1000 on only 2.0volts.
Heres a full SS, if they try to tell you the hardware is incapable of changing the NB/IMC settings.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...v_adjusted.jpg
BTW: XP32 was hassling me to do the WGA thing, so I switched to Vista32..:p:
Oh yeah, F4 final BIOS is now up on Gigabyte's site for the DS5 too.
Still waiting for an answer :shrug: .
Poor, very poor.
My latest qs to MSI, I got a good clear response in 3 days. My qs to Abit, I got 2 brilliant responses inside 18 hours. My qs to ASUS 2 weeks ago I have not had a response to. Now add your Gigabyte qs delay to tha tally.
Just an Update...
Changing the NB V's via MSR registers didn't seem to offer a whole lot of promise (as Lightman suggested). I'm still not sure if it was actually changing the voltages, or if HWMonitor was just reflecting what the registers were set at. After flashing the F4 final Bios from Gigabytes website I did get a pleasant surprise though... :D
Looks like they changed it so that it sets the NB/IMC to 1.25v by default (at least on the 96BE chips). Heres a ss of my current OC and it actually seems stable. :up:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...BestStable.jpg
250 HTT... :clap:
If this holds up as truly stable I'll be a happy camper. Hopefully I can finally make this my main rig and be confident with it. ;)
I agree Daveburt714!
F4 Final is way more stable HTT wise :)
I can't compare IMC clocking because of new CPU, but it looks promising :up: .
Lack of response from GBT is on the one hand worrying but on the other it might mean that they redirected our queries to right (lazy BIOS programmers:p: ) people.
Lets hope for the latter option :D .
http://www.firewallleaktester.com/removewga.htm should do the job in case you installed the WGA notification update by accident. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
Dave the NB VID changes volts just like your BIOS changes them, no different.
Sure it helps with stability but not under 2.1G NB in my experience. Sub that default volts should be good to go. But I never want sub 2.1G NB, it holds perf back in many things.
I just want 2ghz at the moment. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
I was going to get a BE but with B3 around the corner :sofa: I will wait for a couple of weeks.
Lightman I had that trouble with Gigabyte originally so I sent them a reminder and they would always get back to me within the hour after that.
I had no luck getting through to them regarding the bios though, the language barrier was too great :shrug: They had no idea what I was talking about.
I just tried to flash the F4 final bios and it didn't work. After playing around I found that the flashing utility that downloads with the bios is 32bit only. I'm using qflash and I have never had this problem before.:confused:
I refuse to use @bios as that has already killed my first motherboard.:mad:
Aussie, can you not hit 2G NB at stock volts stable?
If I get another Phenom I'm now going to try in both Vista x64 and x86 to try what is happening.
Justapost: Thanks for the Link! I'm sure that will come in Handy..:)
Yeah, I thought you had said that before. At least I know it's actually changing it now. ;) It was just too hard to get my machine to boot at anything over 10x NB so that I could set it in Windows.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Aussie: I agree with you on waiting for the 9850BE! I've already got 2 Phenoms though, think I'll wait to see some OC results from the new stepping before I buy another one. If you do get one BE SURE to keep us posted! :D
Well, my 250x10.5x8x8 turned out NOT to be stable. :(
I've tested it for a couple days trying to keep it in that range and the only thing that seemed to be a constant was when the CPU temp got above 48c instability issues started poping up.
I took the Zalman 9700 cooler off my main rig and put it on this one. So far temps haven't gone above 46c and it seems to be stable at the above settings... :D
I've got an old water cooling rig that I built (Mag/Pond Pump, 82 Chevette Heater Core, 12v relay to activate pump, Rabbit water bottle and misc parts. :rofl: ). It actually works quite well, but it's a PITA seeing as how it's all housed externally. I just need to figure out a clamping mechanism for the block.
Just to get an opinion do you folks think it would be worth the hassle or should I just get one of these?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835185062
They're huge with 12 heat pipes (looks like it might block 1st 2 ram slots), but I would think it offers better cooling than the Zalman.
Or just tell me I'm crazy either way.. :p:
I'm really starting to think heat is a major problem though, and either the chips are really sensitive to it, or none of the boards are reporting it accurately....
Daveburt- I almost bought the Zipang, but the performance of it seemed mediocre, especially for it's size and weight. http://www.frostytech.com/articlevie...id=2248&page=5. I always compare the hsf's @150w as an oc'd phenom is certainly in that range. Anyway, I went with the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835202005 and am pretty pleased with it. It cools well and is not overly large. If you have more room, consider the 120mm variants...
Quik: Thanks for the link to the Frostytech site. ;)
Looks like my Zalman 9700 is still one of the better coolers on the market. I'm kind of a stickler for noise though, I can already notice a difference.. :p:
Guess I'll have to pull the old water cooler back out and find some way to mount the block...
Did you notice any improvement in your OC when you went to the Vendetta?
As much as I like the conviniece of Air cooling I can't see the point in buying either one of those...
If I'm gonna stay on air I might as well stick with the Zalman....
You saved me $40~60, thanks man!! :up:
I've got the stock HSFs, Zalman 9500, 9700, TT120 and Xigmatek HDT-S1283 here, all tested. There's no difference in oc/stability they give me after 9700 and the 9700 is only 2-4 degrees off the Xigmatek with a Q6600 and two of my last Phenoms even at 1.5V 4000MHz/2900MHz. Xigmatek performs better than TRUE though. I just use the stock HSF, gives me the same results although temps be a little higher with it but I run all of them at the lowest fanspeed anyway... :)
KTE 2034mhz is the max nb speed I can get with my system.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
I tried both the 11x and 10x multiplier to take the cpu cores out of the equation and both times it quit @228 htt.
This is a 9500 with nb volts @1.250v and cpu @1.25v.
I can't remember the manufacturing date but it was a first batch Phenom 0743 IIRC. So it should be one of the better Phenom clockers.
It's strange because at nb speed of 2034 it's as stable as a rock yet it locks immediately I try 2052mhz. The 18mhz jump is caused by AOD not having a selection at 227htt.
The BIOS affects NB oc/stability very much.
I didn't pay attention to it thinking 1.13B for the MSI was good enough, but above 2083MHz 1.25VID NB it would become unstable after 3-8 hours gaming. So I dropped it down thinking it's a CPU limit. You know, when you test and already find the limit of your CPU, you don't tend to push to it repeatedly, believing that is the actual limit. Hence I always stuck below 2080MHz 1.25VID.
Until, I had the chance to test BIOS P0J. I was at 201HT, so I just changed multiplier up to 11x and... P0J turned out to be 100% stable at even 2211MHz 1.25VID. I did not try more at stock VID.
http://picsorban.com/upload/nb22-stock.thumb.png
I know 2375MHz required 1.300VID, so anywhere from 2211-2370 may be possible yet at 1.25VID. Just goes to show the difference between the quality of the BIOS. ;)
That's not AOD actually, that'll be a BIOS limitation. AOD can only move and pickup what your BIOS allows.Quote:
It's strange because at nb speed of 2034 it's as stable as a rock yet it locks immediately I try 2052mhz. The 18mhz jump is caused by AOD not having a selection at 227htt.
I notice a few here are saying that F4 final is ocing better. I tried to install it but the installation app is written for 32bit only. :( I have emailed Gigabyte and am waiting to hear back.
BTW I did get 233htt once but that was using 1.25VID + 0.05v
New record :), 275 HTT on the 770 DS3 :cool: . Will test a bit, later.
Aussie, are you using Q-Flash? AFIK, it never even goes into the OS so I don't see how running 64bit would be a problem. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
All I had to do was put the bios file on a flash drive (USB), and hit END while it was posting. Looked to me like Q-Flash was actually a function of bios itself...
Daveburt, my initial phenom oc'ing ended before the Vendetta was even installed so I can't comment on any increase in oc headroom. However, the noise level and load temps dropped considerably compared to the http://www.frostytech.com/articlevie...id=1962&page=1 that it replaced.
Boschwanza, most impressive! Are you still on f3?
Is there a clockgen for this motherboard or ?
I am using F4 Bios, i run 275 the last day with no freezes and perfect stable.
Some news about IMC Voltage regulation: Just got an answer from gigabyte telling me that my request has been redirected to the gigabyte hardware team. So at least there is something in progress.
Thanks for getting back to me on this Dave. It's got me cause I can't see how 64bit would be an issue either, but I can't get qflash to find the bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
I downloaded the file from GB extracted it to my usb stick, restarted, then opened qflash and it just says there is no bios file. I then started looking at things and on the usb drive there is the F4 file and an app called flash895. I tried to open flash895 and it says it's a 32bit prog. so no go.
I'm not sure what flash895 is but I assume it's just a flashing app, anyway I deleted that from the usb stick so there was just the f4 file there. I tried that again with qflash and still no go. So I'm assuming there is some problem with this flash895 app.
EDIT: Flash895 is a DOS file, so I don't think I need it when using qflash.
AussieFX: You tried making a floppy image with drdos for example? LINK:http://www.biosflash.com/e/bios-boot-cd.htm
Thanks for your help Likmark and Dave but stupid me.....Quote:
Originally Posted by LIKMARK
The only excuse is I'm on lots of prescription medication atm.
What happened is; I must have done a clr cmos since my last flash.
Qflash was not seeing my drive (usb stick) so I was thinking it's not seeing the bios file. The usb stick was being seen in windows as I was copying the file to it. Anyway I thought if it's not seeing the drive it must be a bios issue, so sure enough I went into Integrated Peripherals and the Legacy USB Detect option was set to disabled, so I enabled it and went back to Qflash and bingo the file was there. So I now have F4 final on my system and it's time to do some overclocking again :up:
If only my brain had of thought of that in the first place.:shrug: :ROTF:
Thanks again for your help it's much appreciated :up:
LOL, nice that it worked out for you :)
I'm still bravely using @BIOS from GBT :p:
No problems so far.
Need some time to get everything from my new BE before B3 will arrive ;) . For next two days I'm too busy covering mine and another person duties...
GREAT News Bosch, hopefully we'll get a NB voltage option soon. Awesome OC on your NB/IMC btw! :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Boschwanza
Some Benchie/Screens would be nice.. ;)
Glad you got it figured out man. F4 definitly helped my HT Ref clock speeds, play with it again! The wall on my machine went from 230htt to ~250+... I'm still messing with it, but 252x10.5x8x7 seems VERY stable! WooHoo... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Aussie
I did have to lower the HT bus though (7x), it didn't seem to like going over 2Ghz... I think I need your Meds bud... :rofl:
Personally, I haven't tried anything other than AOD Nos. Version 2.0.14 seems to work pretty well. I tried the newest version (17) but had problems, it's probably a Vista thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nosfer@tu
KTE: The Zalman cooler did settle down my OC, and actually got me another 21mhz on the processor. I'm sure your right, and I seriously doubt there is much more left in my chip (~2.65Ghz) but I'm on vacation next week, so I'll probably hook the water cooler up just to see for myself...
Doubting Thomas that I am... ;)
BTW, since I have the extra Phenom and my HTPC needed an upgrade I went ahead an ordered the Gigabyte 780G board for it. Not sure what I'm gonna do with the 1950GT though. Too bad HybridX won't work with that card...:(
You can always send it me to test... :D
Got my 9500 today, up to 2750mhz on my DQ6 with little mucking around. Can't seem to get my board over 255mhz on a lower multi though, no matter what i do.
Can one of you dudes hitting ~277mhz post up your Overclocking page settings from your BIOS? Pwetty pwease...
This is just to odd, i have seen so much Phenom stucking at 2.75G on gigabyte Boards, including mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by pablo NZ
Yip, rather frustrating. I'm convinced that it's the board/chipset's fault more than the CPU, which is a pity really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boschwanza
update: booting into windows (and posting this :p) @ 2.86GHz, 1.5v...
havent stability tested yet.
looks promising....
and still stable after 10 mins of orthos on all four cores. Damn I wish I could get higher than 260MHz on my board >_<
My old DFI AM2 board would do 400MHz, why can't this POS even get to 300?!?
They can do 300 easily. Mine has done 450 with a 6400.Quote:
Originally Posted by pablo NZ
It's the cpu for whatever reason.
I see. Oh well, 2863MHz ain't too bad for now I guess.
This board also refuses to work in dual channel mode with my transcend axeram (with micron chips). I'm gonna try and get some ProMOS and try again.
If you are basing that decision on Overdrive then don't. It always reads mine as running as single channel, even with every slot populated.Quote:
Originally Posted by pablo NZ
Check the cpuz memory tab, that one is accurate.
No it won't even boot with two DIMMS in a dual channel arrangement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
update (if anyone cares) : I swapped out the pc6400 transcend axeram kit for a pc6400 2gbpk g.skill kit, and it still wouldn't boot in dual channel mode, but I went into BIOS on one stick and upped the ddr voltage to +0.30 (which came out to be 2.22v) and now it boots fine in dual channel mode, and can drive the sticks to DDR2-980 @ 4-4-4-12-2T which is quite decent :)
Well, Well.....
Gigabyte has put up the F5 Bios (at least for the DS5) and guess what...
It actually has NB Voltage control!! :up: :clap: :clap: :clap:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...29_F5_Bios.jpg
I haven't had time to test it yet, and I have no idea why it shows it as minus voltages but I did do enough to know that it IS adding V's to the IMC/NB....
Very good news! Thanks for pestering them Bosch... ;)
:clap: jeeehhhaaa ;D
Cannot wait for a bios update (MA770)
I just downloaded that bios from Gigabyte and it shows up as a RAR file and when I tried to uncompress it nothing happened. But I can't just copy that compressed file onto my flash drive can I? What gives?
I have yet to flash a bios on this board.
never mind. I went to the folder where I downloaded it and saw the bios file. I am not sure what the RAR file is.
Great news! :}
I'm running downstairs to my Phenom rig check if they released BIOS for DQ6 as well :D
flash went fine except qflash didn't recognize my newest flashdrive even though it says FAT system. Maybe I need to format it. But the computer reads it fine?
Can't get this RAM to overclock much at all, while a friend of mine has overclocked it quite a bit without upping the voltage at all.
No F5 for DQ6 yet...
Oh well I can wait a bit more :)
Guys remember HTT overclocking is not as important on Phenom as long as you buy a CPU with a high enough multi ;) Also remember NB multi is unlocked on BE's and you do need to balance NB speed along with CPU speed, in many cases a lower CPU and higher NB speed Vs outright CPU and lower NB is better...its all a balance ;)
Go back to the previous page and look what happened to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by nate39
I think you have the same problem.
Hi, I didn't find any info about your cpu temps.
I'm running 2643(12x) with ht@220, NB@1760, HTT@1540 and I've just hit 60C with Prime's small FFT. I have Thermalright 128i and I wonder if it's ok for Phenom 9600BE.
What are your temps?
Ps. F5 rocks for me :clap:
Thanks, Aussie, I used my old flash drive and it worked fine. I guess my new Corsair falls under legacy usb but I haven't been back into bios to see how mine is set yet. Right now I am using F5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
Does anyone know if the settings under autoexpress have any value with a 5000BE? thanks
No, it doesn't make any noticable difference with Phenom either.Quote:
Originally Posted by nate39
You can try it, you won't hurt anything.
Just an Update on the DS5 F5 Bios..
First off I was wrong about the "Memory Controller Volt" option raising the voltage on the IMC/NB. It was an honest mistake :p: , looks like what they did was raise the base NB v's, so when I changed it from AUTO to "-.00xxx" it lowered the V's from 1.138, which was still higher than what it gave me with the F4 bios default, confused yet? :D
To make a long story short, changing the IMC volt option from AUTO (Now 1.138v's) to the "-x.xxxx" numbers it shows actually does lower the voltage by that amount from 1.138.. Moral of the story, leave it at AUTO. :up:
This bios has actually given me a very good boost in NB performance, I could barely get it stable at 1930Mhz with F4. Here's a SS of my new OC using the F5 version.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...330_F5Bios.jpg
The higher NB helped overall performance quite a bit! I don't have a really strong 96BE, and this is the best stable OC I've ever gotten out of it, so I'm fairly happy. Now they just need to give us some PLUS voltage options for the NB/IMC... :D
nate39: I agree with Aussie. I played with the autoexpress feature too to no effect using a Phenom processor. But it didn't cause any problems either.
Carath, I have 2 Phenoms and both of them run better with lower voltages (~1.25v's). I could squeeze a little more out of them by raising the CPU v's, but it ussually wasn't much and generated a lot of heat that lead to serious instability. I realize no 2 chips are the same, but at least with mine anything over 50c was shakey (see SS above).Quote:
Originally Posted by Carath
If your not running high CPU v's, you may want to check your HSF and make sure it's seated well. ;)
Thanks Dave.
Why would they consider the option of lowering the NB volts :shrug:
I gave up on my support guy, I told him the language barrier was too great, which it was. It wouldn't surprise me if that happened here.
I saw you were contemplating putting your Phenom under water, I got mine out the other day and it has dropped temps by 15deg. :up:
Well Aussie, at least they raised the base NB v's to 1.138. It's a step in the right direction. :yepp: I totally agree with you though, you should be able to take it up to 1.25 at the very least!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
I was, but I got lazy... Hey I was on vacation! :rofl:Quote:
I saw you were contemplating putting your Phenom under water, I got mine out the other day and it has dropped temps by 15deg. :up:
Anyway, it's over now, back to work tommorow.
Just curious as to whether the lower temps helped your OC?
Dave, Amd power monitor reports my cpu NB at 1.25v. :confused:
As for my overclock :mad: my pc is going downhill fast since I installed SP1. I used to be able to get a 2.5ghz stable overclock and now I am at 2.4ghz :down: I upped the voltage to 1.3 to try and keep it there.
Could it be that the chip is degrading, or are you sure it is the SP1?
Yeah the chip could be degrading although I would be surprised because it has always run at 1.25v except for the occasional increase to try for the last bit of an oc. But it has never gone over 1.375 and it was only ever that high for about 5 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majmac
I'm frustrated with SP1 that's for sure.
Thanks Dave, now I see the problem. I just can't make my cpu fan go faster then 1100 rpm! My vendor sold me xthermal BTF 120 Pro and it's obviously not a good choice... :shrug: What do you recommend for my cpu that has a good balance between quiet and performance (and it's 120 mm of course)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
Sorry to hear about your OC problems bud... I finally ditched Vista 64 for the 32 bit version because I was having alot of OC problems myself. Vista32 just seems to run a whole lot smoother and gives a better OC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
I wasn't real happy with the SP1 install of Vista32 either, the fact that it had the TLB fix built in was a pain, but Sam's patch fixed that problem and it's pretty painless once you set it to run at loggon.
SP1 for Vista32 didn't have any effects on my OC though... :up:
I flashed back to the F4 bios tonight just to check the base v's of the NB and you are right it was 1.25v's... And it still won't do 2100Mhz on the NB! :shrug: No idea what they did in the F5 version, but I get better NB speeds with lower v's, so what ever they did.... It's better! :D
Carath: Heres a good site for HSF information:
http://www.frostytech.com/articlevie...id=2244&page=4
Normally 120mm fans don't run at really high speeds. 1100 RPM sounds about right for a 120 to me. Lot's of info at Frostytech though!
Aussie FX: what voltage do you need for 2.4G stable now and what did you need when you first managed it stable?
Just keep my two Phenom deaths and one of Achims in mind...
KTE, I've been keeping your problems in mind with my overclock, that's why I rarely go over 1.25v unless I have been going for max overclock which I haven't done for ages.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Right now I'm running 2360mhz @ 1.264v (1.25v in bios) When I get a bsod I have been ratcheting down the frequency and keeping voltage stable. I have run the voltage up to 1.35 to try and keep stability but it doesn't want to play.
If the chip dies, then it dies there are plenty more where that came from but it's frustrating watching the thing degrading. I don't know the reason, that's what is frustrating. It started happening since I installed SP1 (probably just coincidence) but I have never given it a hard time voltage wise.
Now it's watercooled it's running smp F@H 100% on all cores at 35deg. On air it hit 52deg max.
To answer your first question, I could get 2550 stable with 1.25v, this chip never needed any more as the NB always crapped out on me at ~2050.
Since then I have just been lowering the frequency and keeping cpu volts at 1.25.
I didn't realise you lost yours, I thought they came back to you over time?
Now you can join Cooper in finding out the best way to get the lid off.:)
*At first, I could run high MHz (+2700), low volts, stable, and you'll know what I mean by stable is every test I can throw at it for a week incl. 24hrs P95 with high and low fanspeed. First dead one reached 2750 1.24v stable and the last one reached 2754 1.28v stable.
*At the start with both, one benched 2914 max small apps and 287x and one screened 3000 and benched fully around 2830 max in all short and long benches. That needed 1.4v, nothing higher would change this.
*After 3-5 weeks in use at my stable settings and only lower, both degraded. I needed higher volts: first needed 1.36v 2700 now and second needed 1.38v 2700 for stable. Max MHz was much lower, max bench was also lower.
*So I worked downwards in finding what was low volts stable, 1.28v was personal my limit. I reached running 2.64G 1.24v, 1.1-1.25v IMC, 2.1-2.2v DDR for the first one and 2.69G 1.28v, 1.1-1.25v IMC and 2.1-2.2v DDR for the second one as perfectly stable again.
*I dropped settings to 2.64G 1.25v for both and ran that.
*After 2-3 more weeks, both died. They died suddenly, one day, never to boot, under no load, just idling mostly. The problems started appearing early on after 6 week mark, as when you cleared CMOS, they would not start up again at default volts, but luckily. The last time when I cleared CMOS or switched them off totally, they failed to start again on 3 boards in 14 days. IMC died, not the cores, same error.
Some people often chant "CPU temps are not important!!", well they ignore the obvious that temps *are* important for this exact reason; for us to troubleshoot and understand CPU happenings. Here I have no idea what the real temps of the cores/nb was at any time because we had no way to find out, so I can't tell if that was a possible cause or how to avoid it and to what extent.
KTE: Hope you know I totally respect your observations! And I agree with you on the heat factor, temps have ALWAYS been a serious consideration when overclocking. I'm not sure Phenom/MB's do a good job of reporting temps properly. Really when you think about it, you would expect that 4 cores on 1 die @ 65nm would produce alot of heat.
But man, I hope your not projecting a problem that all B2 Phenom oveclockers will face. I've had this 96BE for at least 8 weeks and so far I haven't experienced any degredation (Knock on Wood)!
Aussie: I wouldn't be so quick to ignore the Vista64 SP1 factor. The reason I say that, is that I have 2 9600's, one BE and one Std. They both acted exactly the same under Vista64, to the point that they could have been the same chips! When I switched to a 32 bit OS the OC and especially stability got much better...
If you have an extra drive and a 32 bit OS, it may be worth your while to pull your 64bit drive (so you don't lose your current settup), and try doing a fresh install on the new drive using a 32bit OS.
I could be wrong, but if you have the parts it would be worth a try.. ;)
Well... I may have a 9600BE going to the Glue factory.......It did 2600mhz at one time....Then 2590mhz then 2550mhz then 2500mhz then 2430mhz maybe the max and will still get a ramdom reboot here and there....
""It just wont stay stable and it now likes MORE VOLTS Hmmmmm"",...Funny that my temps from what they showed on STOCK HS and Water never went above 45c at full load...It works fine in Ganged and UnGanged too.
Im testing this chip untill Sunday and if it seems like its getting worse ill have to drive to AMD and drop it off:yepp: ...To think i started under 64bit XP Pro then slowly got worse,Then read how crummy the doo on X64bit ,,I experianced it..So i grabbed Vista32bit and XP32bit. Currently using 32bit XP Sp3 and max is barely 2400mhz stable no matter what i set NB/HT or Volts(kepping them resonable or Stock)...Ive had two Random Reboots @ 2300mhz but i had the FSB too 270+... waiting for the chip to Honestly roll over and play D_-E-_@-D ..Before i send it on its way to RMA-.
Chips Age young,,Im only on 8th week of CPU Life too! 0747 MPMW stepping was pretty common...
Note:My X2 6000+ @ 3.5mhz priceless in the same mobo...I like Phenom but B2's are just plain painfull.
P.S. Does formica/particle board count as wood...
I'm not sure what's going on here, I'm going to be away for a few days so I will just switch it off and leave for it a while.
I have flogged some chips in my day, I have a FX-53 right in front of me that I have given 2.1v and it's still as strong as the day I bought it. This Phenom has been treated like a baby, so I'm confident it's still ok.
Daveburt you are right and that's what I will do when I get back. :)
Also I will be getting a 9850 when they come so it will be an interesting test with this install.
KTE, it sounds like yours were delivered to the gods in the name of science :D
Put it this way. I received a 9600 BE replacememt 22nd March and put it on sale the day before that without even opening, testing or overclocking it. That's how much I feared it dying out of the blue and that's how much I didn't bother having the hassle again. It is too unpredictable and I don't know why, so I avoided it altogether. That's 2x 9600 BE in a row for me.
The difference between what I and Achim did with those dead chips from what you guys are doing is: heavy benching, heavy stress testing, higher voltage, lower voltage, higher [relative] temperatures.
So, assume nothing, plan wisely. ;)
^Absolutely. It's the same with any component really. I chewed through 3 straight sets of Microns by leaving them to stress overnight. There's no way in hell that I would leave anything stressing for 24 hours. Very few people need that kind of stability.
**edit** Nevermind i figured it out.
OK... I finally figured out what is actually going on with the IMC/NB voltage in the F5 Bios for the DS5 Mobo. I know it's still not released for the DQ6 yet, but if they implement it in the same way at least you'll have a heads up!
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...29_F5_Bios.jpg
Setting this option to "Auto" results in the IMC being set at 1.138v's. From there on setting it to the negative numbers it shows are correct, but they are subtracting the numbers from a 1.25v IMC! How wierd!! :shrug:
Here's a partial table, you can calculate the rest yourself, the pattern stays the same:
Setting / Actual (per AMD Power Monitor)
AUTO = 1.138v
-0.0125 = 1.238 (1.25 - .0125, rounding in effect)
-0.0250 = 1.225
-0.0375 = 1.213
-0.0500 = 1.200
-0.0625 = 1.188 Etc....
Geez, no wonder I was confused! :shakes:
If you want the highest possible IMC v's with this Bios, don't use Auto, just set it to 1 click down (-0.0125) and you will have the highest NB/IMC v's available.
Thanks Dave for heads-up!!
I can't wait for this BIOS!
Just dropped my 9850 in.
I thought I had reset the htt in bios to 200. Anyway she booted up straight away at 2.7ghz. So I'm currently at 12.5 divider at 215htt with 1.3v.
All cores at 100% gives me 50deg load temps.
It's a week 11 build.
More to come....
Does anyone know what's up with AOD?
I was using it perfectly with my 9850 then I restarted the PC and it no longer detects my cpu.
Any ideas?
I have reinstalled it and I'm using v 2.0.0.17
I had a feeling this might happen as it's only logical, but the bloody bios workaround for the TLB that MICROSOFT PUT IN SP1 IS STILL THERE FOR B3 chips.:mad: :confused: :shrug: :down:
So guys if your using xx50 Phenoms you will need AOD to get around it or Sam2008's fix.
Bloody Microsoft.:shrug:
Started playing around with my 9850 + 790FX DS5. My board or chip seems to disagree with changing the NB volts, i get the feeling my max NB vid is 1.138v as even AOD can't change it.
Are you getting decent NB clocks aussie? I'm topping out around 2.3Ghz which is hardly better than my old 9500.
Hmmm, just checked this thread out again as I own a 790FX-DQ6 too. However the 4th RAM slot is broken (BSOD's when I put any stick in there), still have to RMA it but maybe Im glad I didnt do that yet. But this degradation of the CPU worries me...
Why you might wonder?
Well, Ive the feeling or my motherboard (DFI 790FX M2R) or CPU is degrading? Although i never heard of Athlon X2's doing that, it looks like it's doing so.
First, both on the DFI and Gigabyte, I could run 14x251Mhz max. Any higher, no matter what Voltage, crashed sooner or later. All fine, I was happy with 3.51Ghz. A week or 5 ago I guess, my PC started to crash while playing a game, but rarely also while browsing the internet. I use to play music like 24/7, also while gaming, so I suspected the soundcard. But it wasnt. As it happened while gaming, I thought the GPU's, but they weren't it either.
As Im running 4x 1GB sticks of D9GMH, I feared it was the well known electron migration thingy. I tested 12x251Mhz same settings (so dropped the multi by 2), and ran Memtest... turned out it was all fine:shrug: .
But 14x251/16x219/whatever setting which resulted in 3.51Ghz, crashed. Then after a week of messing around, being pissed and confused, I ran 14x249 and it was stable. I still thought this was utterly stupid but well, I was just done with it. I gamed and gamed. Then as of monday or there abouts I got a crash again! Tuesday 2 and a BSOD (the crashes were just freeze and eventually a blackscreen).
So I thought it might be the D9 dieing this time as I ran 12x249 and I got an error in all 5 Memtest's which I ran. To be 100% sure of my case I threw in one stick of OCZ ReaperX PC6400 (two doesnt fit:ROTF: ), and tried 14x251 right away; BSOD. Well, ok then, tried 14x249, BSOD again. Although I dont understand why the D9's errored earlier, I think it might be the IMC on the CPU degrading maybe?
I mean, the IMC is linked to the CPU and RAM. So if the IMC isnt stable at the CPU's speed it corrupts data coming trough. And since 12x249 errored, but the single OCZ stick BSOD as well, I can only think of a dieing IMC?
Any idea's if my thoughts might be right? Or could it be my motherboard as well? I'd like to switch just quickly to the Gigabyte to see how the CPU does there, but my dad was really really mad I didnt clean my room for 7 weeks now lol, and I said Im very busy with school at this moment (which I am truely). But it might be strange if I had time I would like make even more mess by changing out all hardware.
Just one little strange thing to note about the motherboard: it makes a little sound, when under load it becomes more silent, idle makes more noise. But after all I had this in the past with GPU's and other motherboards too. I searched on google for this and it can happen and isn't effecting anything. But as I type this, it comes from near the CPU (I think), maybe it's the CPU its self?
dude please rename this thread, to Gigabyte 790FX Series
hehe more logical when DS5 and DQ6 is nearly identical
:wub:
some photos of Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DS5 and Phenom 9850 Blacky Edition
Lovely, Boxes :p
http://img.techpowerup.org/080408/ph...90FX-DS5_5.jpg
Motherboard packed out
http://img.techpowerup.org/080408/ph...90FX-DS5_4.jpg
Motherboard
http://img.techpowerup.org/080408/ph...90FX-DS5_3.jpg
Stock Cooler upsidedown
http://img.techpowerup.org/080408/ph...90FX-DS5_2.jpg
Phenom 9850 Blacky Edition with Arctic Cooling MX-2 Thermalpaste
http://img.techpowerup.org/080407/phenom_800479.jpg
Cooler in place
http://img.techpowerup.org/080408/phenom_790FX-DS5.jpg
Everything in case, bling bling ;-)
http://img.techpowerup.org/080408/ph...90FX-DS5_6.jpg
ps: will be changing psu soon
Schneider: See my message a few back concerning NB V's (#670) and see if that helps your problems...Quote:
Originally Posted by Schneider
Aussie: Gratz on your 9850! Keep us posted, mine should be here tommorow... :)
Could someone please comment about the top post I made on this page? Thx. Im not impatient or so, just want to make sure it doesn't get overlooked by other things because I really want to know how and what is happening.
Also, I bought this X2 as a temponary thing for Phenom. Now B3's are released and get higher clocks as well. Im thinking I might order a 9850 in case my CPU is indeed dieing. Before I RMA it Ill have the Phenom then so Im not PC-less for the duration of the RMA.
However I remember these things about Phenom:
1) Too high Vdimm (above 2.2V IIRC), kills Phenom sooner or later.
2) When idle, Phenom might freeze but not while under load.
3) IMC degradation.
Is any of these still excistent in newer B3's? And what are the fixes for these problems? I can think of the solution for the first one, simply staying at 2.2Vdimm or below. But what about the other two, if they're still there that is?
Thx in advance guys.
Rammsteiner, clean your room first.:)
Schneider, I think I'm having ram issues so I will get back to you on NB speeds. Mine is currently running at 2150 and is stable as a rock.
I could lift my NB voltage, I just used AOD and up she went, CPU VID can also be changed upwards now. I'm using 2.0.17v of AOD. Try changing it with that.
Daveburt, Thanks mate I'm reasonably happy with it but I got a bsod at 2.9 with stock volts but I think it's ram not the cpu as F@H keeps crashing constantly at 2.6ghz. I have to look into this one.
Now I have to put my 9500 into my shiny new Gigabyte 780G motherboard that came today.:) I can't wait to try overclocking that GPU.:ROTF:
Yea I've tried doing that with AOD, sadly no change is registered after applying. It seems like I'm stuck on 1.13v.
Daveburt, I went back and tried setting it as the first setting below auto. Board just doesn't boot up, I'm stuck with auto volts for northbridge.
Well after a day of tweaking I've managed a 275 Htt clock, 2.2Ghz NB with 1100Mhz RAM :) . Left the CPU clocks around ~2.7. I do know this chip can boot at 3.0Ghz+ with stock volts and complete a run of 3DMark 06.
Only thing that worries me is BIOS reports the CPU temp as ~50 C. AOD reads each core as ~35 C on idle and whatever Temp 2 is as the ~50 C. Anyone know what the Temp 2 is in AOD? (btw chips being cooled by Big Typhoon)
I'll post ss of results a little later
Hey that's not too shabby Bud, there's NO WAY my 96BE would even think about 2.9! :p: And you can always give it a little bump in V's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
Mine will be here tommorow, maybe I'll get lucky and get a Week 10 they seem to be smoking, but it sounds like your's will do 3Ghz with a little tweeking... That's all I ask, 3Ghz at reasonable v's, Is that so much to ask. :D
Man, you are following almost the exact same path as me! I have a GBT 780G board that I put in my HTPC with my 9600Std. If it gives you problems posting (like mine did!) lower the HTT Link speed to 1400Mhz. That was the only way I could get it stable, it still plays BluRay and HD-DVD without stutters/skipping though and actually looks pretty good on my 50" Hiatchi 720p. CnQ works really well on it too, even when playing Hi-Def the CPU stays around 25%, @ 1.05v's.
Oh and Yeah, OC that IGP... :rofl:
That thing runs HOT to begin with! You might want to pull the heatsinks and make sure they're making good contact before you close the case, especially the SB, mine wasn't even making contact...
That sucks Schnider, maybe they implemented it a different way on the DS4.. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Schneider
Might be worth your while to back everything down to stock and use AMD Power Monitor to see what effect it has on your NB/IMC v's. Just to take everythnig else out of the equation.
On the DS5 mine seems to run best @ -0.0375 (1.212v's), but I'm not looking for Max, just stability with a decent OC...
I'd be interested to see your results.. ;)
One initial impression I have is that the memory controller isn't as good as my 9500 as far as voltages go. I used to be able to run 1066 with 1.8v with the 9500. With the 9850 I'm struggling to get 1066 with 2.1v.
Is anyone else noticing this?
heh I should update my siggy. I haven't had that system in a while
My 9850 won't boot with the 1066 divider with my Crucials yet they run happily on the 800 divider at 1100 with 2.1v. Gskill RAM i got in hopes of better ocs are even worse :(
Edit: Posted a few results on hwbot should ppl be waiting for some results
3DMark 06 score 15277
Hey Man, How did you manage to get your HTRef. clock so high?Quote:
Originally Posted by Schneider
I was going to ask you in Tony's thread, but it seemed a little off topic. :)
Even with lowered CPU and NB multi's I have a hard time getting over 230 on the HTTRef clock. :shrug:
Did you change HTT Voltage control or something? If it's not too much to ask what do you have your alternate V's set at (Chipset/HTT etc.). If you could post a pic of your M.I.T. Bios screen, that would be helpful.. ;)
Thanks. Dave
Dave have you managed to lift your imc volts in AOD yet?
Just playing with mine and I can lift it all the way to 1.55v.
Beats editing msr registers.
Not sure these pics will help, htt volts are all normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
Side note, I've had no luck increasing NB clocks even with volts :down:, temps aren't great though. Hoping that this board n chip can handle sub-zero as a new cooler should be on its way soon :D
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/2...0263fe9.th.jpghttp://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4...0264hh8.th.jpg
BTW: I'm a Gigabyte MA790FX-DS5 owner now.
(I just have to wait for Newegg to RMA my 9850 before I can enjoy quadness.)
Sadly I found out the local "enthusiast" store had them in stock on release day. If I'd have bought this Gigabyte AND the 9850 there instead of on Newegg... I'd be up and running. (They were only $5.00 more than Newegg on price.)
Hi,Quote:
Originally Posted by keithlm
I have to laugh cause I'm in the same situation as you are. I followed your posts with interest. :yepp:
My DFI M2R and 9850BE went TU after I ran lm-sensors (Linux mobo monitoring utility). I thought it was the DFI board, so I RMAd it, and am still waiting for that to resolve. I was dying to run the 9850, so I ordered the lesser DFI mobo(M2RS) from Newegg. Then I found, courtesy of a friend and an available computer to test, that the 9850BE was dead. It's now winging it's way to Whittier CA for RMA review. Quadaciousness is at least a week away.
I almost went with the Gigabye DS5, but decided to stick with DFI . The M2RS reviews at Newegg don't mention a C1 error. Interesting that the M2RS uses all solid capacitors like the Gigabye Ultra Durable series.
Good luck with your DS5.
vext
Thanks for the pics Bud, I don't have time to mess with it tonight, but the weekends coming up.. :D You are running the F5 bios right? The Mem Clock just displays a little differently than mine. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Schneider
Seems like each of these chips have their own personality, but just for reference the sweet spot for my IMC seems to be around 1.15v when set in bios.
Haven't seen you around in awhile stranger.. :D Hope your vacation went well!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
Yeah, I can get much better clocks using AOD and the voltage control, but when it crashes, IT CRASHES HARD at least on my machine. Seems like it almost corrupts Vista, sometimes I'll have to wait 5 minutes for it to boot into the OS on restart. :shocked:
How's that 9850 treating you? Got SS's? :D
Keithlm: Gratz on the DS5 purchase! Now when you figure out how to get it OC the same way twice let me know.... :rofl:
J/K, welcome to the GBT club man. :up:
Ok..... I have that board :eek:
Can anybody tell me how to install RAID"0" in Vista 32bit
It's driving me MAD!
Sooo much to do so little time. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
AOD is definitely the way to go when overclocking mine.
I struggle to get over 2.7 when overclocking through the bios, volts don't help. :shrug:
I know what you mean about the crashes although I don't get anywhere near corruption. What I have found when trying to restart it is, hold the reset button down for 10 seconds and she should come straight back up.
I still haven't oc'ed mine hard yet, I'm currently running it at 2750 1.3v, 12.5 multi, and 220htt (NB 2200)
There is 3ghz in this cpu but just not through the multis, as soon as I try, CRASH. Although I have seen others say they can only overclock well with the .5 muti
My temps are in line with my 9500 :D She doesn't go over 50c after 100% on all cores for days even with ambients as high as 35c. It is watercooled though. ;)
How are you finding that new bios? I have been so busy I haven't even looked to see if it's available for DQ6 yet.:eek:
I will give you a SS when I hit 3.2 :D
Vext :welcome: Good to see you here mate :up: and let us know when your new chip arrives. You should have bought a Gigabyte though. Best for Phenom IMO. We haven't seen any :explode: yet....
It's good to see more Gigabyte owners showing up, although I notice a few have come over from other motherboards.
EDIT:DAVE, the 780G is rocking. Didn't have any dramas with the setup, although stupid me ordered 1x2gb stick of DDR2-800 instead of 2x1gb anyway it didn't complain. The 9500 is running strong at 2550. I haven't seen any sign of the degradation?? I was having in the DQ6, in fact it's running as fast as it ever had. I have installed a 3870 in it now.
Keith, let us know how that board overclocks your K8.Quote:
Originally Posted by keithlm
When I got my DQ-6 it came out before Phenom so I had a good play with it and it was a mad overclocker with a 6400 in it. In fact it was the best K8 board I ever owned, and I have had a few....
I was getting HTT speeds in excess of 450. Easily....:ROTF:
Thrasher I haven't set up raid on this board, but I imagine it's just the usual. Copy the Raid files from the motherboard disc onto a floppy or usb stick and load it when installing Windows. That should do it.
Just don't select AHCI mode. Set it up as an IDE raid.
I will try some overclocking after enjoying a pain free system for a few days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
The entire "blown up Phenom" fiasco has me battle shy at the moment.
OBSERVATION:
My old system was a Nforce4 939 X2-4800+ with 3-3-3-8 DDR ram. (2x1Gb at 1T or 4x1Gb at 2T.) So this new system is "theoretically" about the same.
My opinion:
It loaded Vista slower. I got worried. But now that it's loaded... it is a LOT smoother and more responsive than my old system. Like in a MAJOR way. I was running a MMORPG game (WoW) and had 2xPrime95 running without the game being affected. My old system even though supposedly "the same" couldn't do that. I could get the NVidia Cascades demo running on the old system with 2xPrime95... but that is because that demo uses only the GPU.
I attribute this to the 790FX chipset of this motherboard. Although it could all be the Placebo affect at this time. (The "newness" factor.) Sure these are not things you can benchmark with Super-Pi. But these things are VERY real. (And why I bought a Phenom after waiting for the B3 stepping.)
BTW: I'm not even using my hardware RAID-0 on 2xRaptorX yet... this is all on a single 34Gb raptor at this time. (It is hooked up to the SB. Which is why Vista loaded slower... I read that there is a known Vista/SB600 issue with AHCI... I wonder if that issue is still there when using "Native-IDE" to a lesser degree.)
EDIT: Wow... I just realized I'm getting about 30fps MORE in World of Warcraft at STOCK speeds for everything when I run only the game. (I was getting "about the same" FPS as the other motherboard last night... but that was when I ran it WITH the 2xPrime95 running....)
I'm getting more and more impressed by the 790FX chipset.
I have two WD 74gb RaptorsQuote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
So I should use a Floppy or a USB stick with the RAID drivers on them when installing Vista 32bit OS.
**WARNING** Just got home from the bar, so if I say something stoopid please excuse me. BTW, Visual Kaos ROCKS!! If ya like R&R Check'em out at http://www.vk-rocks.com/music.cfm
A good friend of mine plays drums for the band. :D Always a good time!!
Aussie, you know I kinda miss my MSI K9A2 Board... Don't know what it is about the DS5 that just seems a little squirley. I think it's the Dual Bios thing that actually tries to look to the HD for old bios..
I'll just shaddup now, My MSI board did die, and this one hasn't. So I guess that kinda proves your point.. :D
Geez, I should definetly shaddup... OK, I'm done.. :p:
I actually did get better results for the K9A2 though. :)
If you have a floppy installed in your system you can use that, if not just use a usb stick.Quote:
Originally Posted by THRASHER2
It doesn't matter which one, just whatever is available. :)
Keep us informed because I haven't setup Raid yet and will be interested if there are any dramas.
Dave Have a good night at the pub did we.:yepp:
How's the head feeling now...:ROTF:
I agree the K9A2 is faster, but where is it...........:smoke:
Anybody here from Wiak, bought all them shinny new parts and no results yet. I'm worried that his DS5 is where mine is, unstable. Hope his works better.
new psu
http://lh3.ggpht.com/tommarnk/SAd8F7...JPG?imgmax=912
it works alot better now, it has 600W on all +12v rails :P
my run stable 2.7 with stock voltQuote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
http://img.techpowerup.org/080420/Capture007.jpg