hey grnfinger, did you ever rma your board and or got it back yet? ive been out of the country for the last month so im kinda out of the loop atm...
hey grnfinger, did you ever rma your board and or got it back yet? ive been out of the country for the last month so im kinda out of the loop atm...
Asus has the board, just waiting for the Email of no stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenEffect
Hopefully I can get a decent upgrade out of this.
says on the crucial site that my rams IS compatible http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/mpar...8620C6A5CA7304
my new ram turns up on monday. If i still get bsod's after that, its gotta be the board thats causing it.
My Raid0 setup is now saying one of the drives has an error again for the 2nd time (after replacing the previous drive which had an error)
Seems more FSB Term improves my Orthos time to 7 min average.Quote:
Originally Posted by RCG_Bex
Any new ideas where to adjust?
Try to put more dram voltage. My default dram voltage is 2.20 and i need 2.25 to get stable with rampage formulaQuote:
Hello all! Could someone give me some input over my settings?
CPU: 8400 VID-1.225 Water cooled
RAM: Mushkin 2x2 Gb 8500 (991599)
GPU: ATI Asus HD3870x2 WC no OC
MB: Asus Maximus Formula ( MOD Rampage Formula ) Bios 403
PSU: Thermaltake Quatro 850w
HDD: 2x Samsung 640Gb Raid 0
OS: Vista x64
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9.0
FSB Frequency : 450
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 105
DRAM Frequency: 1081
DRAM Command Rate : 2N
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A : Advance 250 or 300
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B : Advance 250 or 300
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6
Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual
Common Performance Level 7
Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
CPU Voltage : 1.45 - 1.432 CPU-z
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
North Bridge Voltage : 1.51
DRAM Voltage : 2.02
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.2
South Bridge Voltage : 1.05
South Bridge 1.5v Voltage: 1.50
Loadline Calibration : Enable
CPU GTL Reference : x.65 tried x.067
North Bridge GTL Reference : x.67
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2 Ref
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2 Ref
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2 Ref
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5
NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :
CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled
Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Enabled ..........??????
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled
Boots fine in Windows. Can run any benchmark, no problems. Can run any game for hours with no trouble at all. Tried relaxing the memory settings, no go. PLL is as high as i would go. FSB Term makes no difference. NB Volts also none.
Any stress test will fail after 5-30 sec: Orthos, OCCT, Prime 95.
Thank you!
guys anyone running crucial ballistix that is single sidded ram (ram chips are only on 1 side) this has N O T H I N G to do with the motherboard.
this is 100% the fault of the ram.
crucial ballistix single sided ram is known to be bad. period end of story, no arguing about it. there are TONS of threads here about this ram and every single person using it is going to get problems when overclocking the ram and some at stock.
the one and only cure is to try and rma it and hope crucial sends back double sided ram, or ebay the ram or throw it away and get something else.
again the issues with crucial ram IS NOT the mobo or compatability, it is the ram itself.
this is 100% fact and proven many times in this very forum.
lastly the ram DOES NOT LIKE VOLTAGE. period. anything above 2.0v is going to make the ram go freaky weird.
random blue screens, random occt failures, ramdom memtest errors. (1 time its ok, the next time it gives errors)
get rid of the ram and your problems will go away.
the 1066 ram cant even run at stock because of these issues.
Ok all you Formula x-perts, got a question for ya.
My MF board will not stay stable, even when running at total stock (auto) settings. Keeps reseting. At times won't even stay up long enough to change things in bios. Just resets. Sometimes it will even reset the bios to default. My question is: Could it be something other than the MB? CPU, GPU, a usb port? etc. or do I have another bad board... It's not the PS, tried one I'd trust with my life. It's not getting hot, everything is WC, and temps are great (everything less than 40c full load, GPU = 45c full load, room temps about 23c). Not audio, had onboard, x-fi, and nothing, still resets. Not ram, tried three different sets, slots, etc.
You need full specs I'll post them if you need em.
Please tell me I'm missing something really dumb... I really don't want to drain the cooling again...
sounds good, finally my pc will be stable again as of tommorow when i get my corsair dominator 8500. cheers grn and lestQuote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
Hey where can I get the latest 1207 bios, the asus site only has up to 1201 listed.
here you goQuote:
Originally Posted by Harvestor
ftp://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/s...rmula-1207.zip
Thank you
I hope you have better luck with that Q9550 than I did
the 1207 bios didnt help matters with the C1 revision 9550
Link is dead now?Quote:
Originally Posted by kwalker
Thats Asus site for youQuote:
Originally Posted by kup
I'll try to fix it:D
Site is swamped
try again later
heres the ftp ftp://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/s...ximus_Formula/
Here's as far as I could get on XP Pro bios revision 1004 which lasted a few days before Vista 64bit spit it out :mad:
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...8_19-28-23.png
the E7300 on the other hand just clocks:cool:
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...8_21-41-46.png
Put the LCD Poster on the board and see what it reads when its running through post cycles etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by M13
if you want, bend the USB port slot things out a bit so they wont touch the board and you have no chance of shorting something out.
Also, the CPU could possibly be throttling etc. maybe the waterblock is not mounted 100% ??
hi guys am having trouble getting my maximus formula stable with my ram.
am at 3.6ghz working my way up and 400x9 and 450x8 cpu passes prime 12 hrs but nothing i change will get the ram past 512k. th most it runs is 1hr 10minutes...
am using g-skill 1066 2x2gb kit @ 1066 and 1080 and no go so far. tried 1:1 divider and same thing happened. tried both rampage and mf bioses same results. reflashing to 0602 to see how it goes but if anyone has any tips specially fsb and fsbt please help.
had my previous MF + Q6600 rig @ 3.8 @ 1200mhz with a pair of crucials tracers but my current rig isnt playing nice. am either missing something or i got a bad board from rma!!!.... tried a pair of tracer instead of my g-skill and crapped out large fft's too.
Q6600
Maximus Formula SE
2x2gb g-skill 8500 @ 5-5-5-15
600w OCZ Xtreme
Swiftech 220 compact cooling(cpu+nb loop)
note cpu is stable but ram stressing juss wont play nice @ 3.6ghz
use a DMM to check for ram voltage fluctuations.Quote:
Originally Posted by nama
i would contact asus again also, they send out used/refurbed boards for rma unless its the 2nd or 3rd rma then they send you a new one.
just tell them that the same hardware and settings isnt stable anymore.
BUT
no 2 boards are the same, what you had before may not work now....
but if you cant even run your ram at stock then thats a good sign something is wrong.
thanks, noted. i will do some further testing and see how it turns out. the nb doesnt like anything past 1.6. reboots after a while.as to voltages i dont have a dmm but i will find one and test. i think i got a bad apple back from asus. @ stock eveything is fine but when oc'd thing get icky. will post back findings.
If you're not having any problems at stock then the problem is with your oc/timings/temps/voltages/strap.Quote:
Originally Posted by nama
not really, it could easily be the board given that asus send refurb boards for rma, or the ram itself could just not be very good overclocking.Quote:
Originally Posted by chawks2
set the strap down low so the ram runs at like 800mhz and then start raising the fsb.
this will determine if the ram is the problem or not. given that yes you do have the voltages setup properly.
you shouldnt need 1.6v on the NB until you get over 470mhz FSB on a Quad.
400-450 only needs stock voltage to 1.45v (for 450mhz) on a dual core you really dont need that much until maybe 500mhz fsb.
post your current settings and we can see if anything is wrong there.Quote:
Originally Posted by nama
I have the same gskill kit and they require 2.2volts for 1080 anything less and they randomly fail.
You will need to provide more information.Quote:
Originally Posted by M13
Hardware and bios setup please
vcore=1.425( 12hrs small fft stress)
nb=1.45 longest run stable for large fft, max i can set without reboot is 1.59(1.6v bios)
ram passes 12hrs memtest @ 1.98(2.0vbios but have it @ 2.1v) @ 5-5-5-15-3-52-6-3
fsbt=1.4 bios set is the most stable so far, anything else fails in minutes
cpu ppl is @ auto = 1.6 bios read
450x8 @ 3600 cpu stable ram the most i can get it is 512k large fft's ie 1hr 10 minutes almost. if the north bridge is set higher it reboots at this very point. lower juss gives a rounding error. ram is @ 1081mhz @ the timings above also 8hr memtest stable
400x9 @ 3600/1066 no go for ram either.
as to temps from the previous post. my cores never go above 63c, cpu is 50-54c, nb=41max, sb=38, watercooled cpu and nb loop. plus 120mm fans blowing over the ram and mosfets
if it helps am using xp64 and prime95 64bit
2x2gb g-skill 8500 ram
Maximus formula se mb(from rma)
600w xtreme psu
temps are quite good considering its summer rite now in toronto.
and to the guy before i dont think its my oc but i might be wrong coz the north bridge seem to have a mind of ts own. i hope am wrong coz i hate rma's takes to long to get junk back.
i tried 1:1 but i needs more volts at the nb juss to post which leads to a reboot when priming ram.
the gtl stuff didnt seem to help so i left it at auto as i have done on previous maximus boards. i love the ram but it doesnt scale too well though i dont mind as i wanna keep it +/-1100mhz as this system iam putting together is for my video editing for school so i want it stable for use over the next yr or less if i get more cash..
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
i agree with the nb voltages. it just wont play nice tho. even at 1:1 once its past 400mhz fsb
I would suggest this for startsQuote:
Originally Posted by nama
Flash to Rampage bios 308.
for 450x8 on the 333 strap running 1080MHz ram
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Setting : 8
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
FSB Frequency : 450
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1080mhz
DRAM Command Rate : 2N
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A: Advanced 250ps
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B: Advanced 250ps
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 18
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6
3rd Information
WRITE to PRE Delay : 14
READ to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual
Performance Level 7
Set dram volts to 2.12 in bios this will give you 2.2 actual.
That should get the GSkills stable and also give you rather decent bandwidth.
If your still crapping out then your NB volts are 2 low for 4GBs 1.49/1.51 should be the sweet spot unless you have a crappy board.
post back your results
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
thanks, flashed to 308 last night after going through the thread and stressing 333 for 3ghz @ 1066mhz for the next 12hrs or so. when am done will try your suggested settings and post back. thanks again
ps.. any tips on fsbt? when i go past 400fsb it defaults to 1.55 at auto
Hey guys got a question about running 2X2GB of Corsair 8500. For the life of me I can't get it to run stable. Sometimes I get DET RAM sometimes I get to my desktop but it locks right when everything is loading. I've tried upping the voltage to 2.2 but no response. I tried adjusting DDR2 ref and someother things but no help either. I ran memtest on them and they passed no problem. I am running XP 32bit. I'm going to upgrade to a 64bit OS in a month. So what am I doing wrong? What am I missing? Need help guys.
Oh I did try a few different bios versions to with the same results. Tried RF308, 403, MF 1102 and 907
Here are my latest stable settings, I can not get my board to post past 440FSB no matter what I do, maybe someone has some suggestions? I get DET RAM of course, but no matter the PL setting, or multiplier on the CPU it will not post. These current settings will pass the intel burn test no problem.
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency : 425
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400
PCI-E Frequency: 105
DRAM Frequency: 1133
DRAM Command Rate : 2N
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A : 150
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B : 150
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 5
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 70
Write Recovery Time : 10
Read to Precharge Time : 5
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S) : 4
Write to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (D) : AUTO
Write to PRE Delay : 18
Read to PRE Delay : AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay : AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay : AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: DISABLED
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual
Common Performance Level 6
Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
CPU Voltage : 1.4875 - 1.440 CPU-z
CPU PLL Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge Voltage : 1.45
DRAM Voltage : 2.10
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.28
South Bridge Voltage : 1.05
South Bridge 1.5v Voltage: 1.50
Loadline Calibration : DISABLED
CPU GTL Reference : x.63
North Bridge GTL Reference : x.67
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2 Ref
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2 Ref
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2 Ref
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5
NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :OFF
CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled
Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : DISABLED
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2...5913fc3.th.jpg
thanks for your input
try less voltage on your ram/nb, i was having the same issues until i lowered voltages. I only need 2.1 set in the bios to get to 566mhz with these sticks. i imagine I could do more, but not at my current pl setting. try my settings above for 425FSB.Quote:
Originally Posted by By0T0xN
good luck. i was hoping for the same email, however, i got a pretty good maximus back instead. hope it works out well for you too :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
Hey Grn - I spotted you got 4.8GHz stable - nice job! :up: I had 4.8GHz kinda stable but it's went mental again :down:
New cooling kit should be coming soon though so I should be getting the temps and stuff down :D
Made it to 5GHz yet?
~Bex
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
yea so its still a no go, i think my board is a bad apple. rma'd it after some further trial. thanks
going to try for a 5.0GHz bench tonight or tomorrow, just got back form 6 days at the lake so I'm kinda tired.Quote:
Originally Posted by RCG_Bex
Still like the quad better so far, if I can hit 500x10 and run the ram at 1200MHz :D:D
Dont think its going to happen but I will certainly try. New motherboard bios options are alittle new and have yet to find the time to test each option fully.
Glad you'd a nice little trip. I'll have a go too!
Btw - Asus got back to me - I'm getting a 4870X2 as my replacement cause I told them to stick their non reference overclocked pile of pish right up their arse! Lol they were like "omg! No on turns that offer down! What do you want!?" - Well guys, it's my bday in 3 weeks and I've wasted 6 months of this pile of crap - how about a 4870X2? - "Ok, done. Will arrive with you in 2-3 weeks" :rofl:
~Bex
Figures they had to have 1 in stock at the California facility for me, a 4870X2 would be a sweet deal even if I had to buy another water block.Quote:
Originally Posted by RCG_Bex
My 10 day RMA wait was over today for my Maximus SE, no email.:shakes:
I hope to hell to get a nice upgrade but wont know till Monday now.
After all the hassle with my 3870X2 I will not be so damn nice:rofl:
Rofl unlucky - I'll need new water blocks etc but I don't mind too much. Hope you get something nice out of them :P
Btw - any advice on my maximus OC? I've got issues with my 4.8GHz not even being 3DMark06 stable, but I tried 500GHz for lolz na dwith a 333 strap, I get "Check CPU". On a 266 strap I get BSOD after the windows logo and startup sound with a ".DLL" error - so I don't think it's cpu voltages there....
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 10.0
FSB Frequency : 480 - 500
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333 / 266
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-11**mhz / 1200 / 1250
DRAM Command Rate : 2N
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 18
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : Auto (My ram likes 48?)
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6
3rd Information
WRITE to PRE Delay : 14
READ to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Auto
CPU Voltage : 1.45-1.55v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.56
North Bridge Voltage : 1.53
DRAM Voltage : 2.20v
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.4
South Bridge Voltage : 1.05
South Bridge 1.5v Voltage: 1.5
Loadline Calibration : Enable
CPU GTL Reference : 0.65
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2_Ref
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2_Ref
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2_Ref
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5
~Bex
I just got a Maximus Formula two days ago and it was a DOG, I could not get it past 400 FSB until I flashed tonight to Rampge 0308 BIOS now at 1:1 X9 I'm at 470 FSB at 4230 MHz man what a BIG Difference these BIOS made :D I will play with it more and see how far I can push my E 8400.
anyone done a MAximus bios with something like a Q9650 and then flashed with the Rampage bios and saw any better overclocking or performance ?
i really dont have any reason to change other than curiosity, plus the 1207 bios loves my OCZ PC9200 reapers, well,, under 1200mhz i mean. ;)
the main problem is no matter what i do i am pretty much maxed out at around 460mhz fSB... which sucks balls cuz i want to go higher lol.
i also for some reason can not hit 1200mhz dram. not with my gskill D9GMH or my PC9200 reapers. it jsut wont do it.
but my old P5N-E SLI can do 1200mhz easy, all day long.
I had no difference in clocks running my Q9550 on either bios, 425FSB was my max on any multi. Changing platforms was my best decison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
Rampage bios will problably get the 1200MHz stable tho.
Advance clock skew to 250ps / 300ps and relax timing a tad , I cant get my Mushkin ram stable on a regular Maximus bios not matter what I try but on rampage they will run at 1200mhz.
Try a tad more NB volts and see how it postsQuote:
Originally Posted by RCG_Bex
Anyone try the 0410 RF bios yet? Supposed to be better for memory.
I have read through most of this thread, as I was interested in getting a M2F. I am however seeing a scarily large amount of you with major issues, and what seem to be a large number of flakey boards. Also, when staying with the M2F bios, there seems to be less options than in my current P5Q-Deluxe bios - really important settings like PL (tRD), clock skew, memory channel delay/advance etc. The only way it seems like you can get these options on the M2F is to flash to the rampage bios, is this correct?
The M2F's also seem to be struggling hitting high FSB &/or running tight PL, have major strap issues, and have more ram problems than the P5Q-Deluxe's have. I can bench on my board at 570 - 590 FSB with only 1.26v vNB, but it seems the M2F could never pull that off. Most of you seem to be running vNB around 1.4v. There are also a few guys who have done 500 FSB on quads on the P5Q-D, whereas it seems the M2F can't do that. The whole reason I want to change boards is my current P5Q-D won't clock ram at 1200+ yet I have seen a few of you struggling to do that also.
What is the general consensus on this board? Are they worth the almost ludicrous price or are most of you regretting your purchase? I'd really like to know. Thanks in advance.
EDIT - Is it possible to set vPLL = 1.5 - 1.55v (real), and vFSB (Vtt) = 1.1 - 1.15v (real) on the M2F? I can do that on my current board and I don't want to run them above those voltage 24/7.
maybe reread the thread, there is no MIIF discussion hereQuote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
this is Maximus Formula / Rampage conversion discussion
The MIIF is a superior bios to the Rampage or Maximus, better GTL's NB and CPU clock skew and PL 8 / 7 is possible if you have good ram, my gkills run 1133MHz PL8 and damn near break 10,000 read write and copy in Everest
MIIF wont over volt like the Maximus and Rampage. If I set 1.50 PLL it reads 1.50 in everest, dimm volts are the same as well as NB /SB volts. CPU will slightly droop but nothing insanely serious
Could you point me to the "scarily large amount of you with major issues, and what seem to be a large number of flakey boards" you saw cause I must have missed that
Holy crap, that'll teach me to do my research on new boards late at night! (it's 3am here) Sorry about that mate and thanks for politely informing me of my blatant idiocy lol.
Seeing as how you have one, do you like your M2F? Any major issues you're aware of?
Love the board much higher clocks with overall lower volts, board runs alot cooler than X38.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
It is worth the premium imo, MCW30 fits the NB with no modding if your cooling with water,
No issues so far, bios 701 or higher eliminates the ram compatability.
Now go to bed and get some rest:D
Cheers mate and yeah, I'm off to bed right now :p:
What version of everest are you using that correctly reads PLL NB etc? Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
4.50.1480 Beta.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
I also have the newest non beta 1488 I think and it also reports correct volts
I will confirm this shortly.
EVEREST Ultimate Edition 4.60 Build 1500 Final. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
Thanks, Had to spring $19.99 as my upgrades expired in July. Reads everything fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
Meh - I put it to 266 strap and upped the NB and no DLL or CPU errors. But it it BSOD's. So upped the termination voltage and it boots then black screen, no windows etc. :(
Might have another bash with 333 strap... too drunk n work in the morning though >.<
If not then maybe I'll just work on getting 4.8GHZ stable. It goes for a wee bit in prime but nothing spectacullar :(
~Bex
That's rather bizarre because I've been running my G.Skill @ 1088 with only 2.0v. In fact, it can run as fast as 1105 with just 2.0v, and the only aux cooling I have is the side 120mm fan adapted from my LL G70 case to my A77. If I place a fan on the memory it will go as high as 1115 with the same 2.0v. Adding more voltage only seems to produce more memtest86 errors. For testing I initially run memtest 5 for 10 passes then if it passes, I run the entire test overnight. I also run OCCT for an hour, Prime small fft for an hour, then Prime blend at least 12 hours. The memory has never failed once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
I built a system for my brother and he has the exact same G.Skill memory which behaves very similar to mine. He has an E8600 running @4400 with the ram at 1115, 2.0v.
Here's my system:
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h5...95smallFFT.jpg
Quote:
Originally Posted by NLight95
i have agree, g-skill ram hates high voltages, the moment you get past 2.25v you start getting more errors. am making progress on my initially posted stability problem with ram. been playing with nb and fsbt voltages. using occt for quicker error detection before i blast the system with prime. and right now they are @ 1080mhz @ 333 strap with 2v actual(higher voltages didnt help but add more heat. i hope am on a hunch here with the fsbt coz it beats having to rma the board. will post back my findings in a day. juss hope they cud 1200.
1200 might really be a stretch, but you can definitely get more out of the G.Skills by placing a 120mm fan to blow air on them. I find that mem coolers like the Corsair Airflow actually impede airflow to the CPU, unless you're using a blow down cooler like a Thermalright XP-120.Quote:
Originally Posted by nama
I forgot to mention that random instability sets in when I set AI Clock Twister to the strong or stronger setting. I keep it at moderate. You take a slight hit in mem performance but gain a lot more stability. And no need to set all the timings to manual (just more settings to remember). I only set what needs changing. If an Auto setting and my manual setting are one and the same (like my base mem timings), then I just leave them at Auto.
BTW, how hard was it to install the 220 Compact? I thought about picking one up but want to see what the upcoming Nehalem pricing is going to look like. I know my 8500 has more to go, it's that I've hit a temp ceiling with my Xig 1283 cooler.
the 220 compact is real easy to instal, can be done in a n evening (more like 2hrs)... i always had no trouble on my previous maximus when it came to memory subsystem. but this one is giving me hell fine tuning the memory subsystem. am learning from it tho. i have a 120cm fan blowing over the ram/nb area so temp wise am safe, maybe i need to reseat the entire stock heat pipe setup.
That's because the G. SKills are using psc chips which will run up to 1100MHz easily on 2.0v-2.1v. They also hate voltages. Anything over 2.1v-2.2v and they turn to crap. Trouble is there are two revisions of the psc chips. Rev A & B. One will do around 1130 2.0v the other requires 2.1v just to get 1066 stable and doesn't clock as high. There's an indeth review on 4GB kits being done over @ Andantech. This info came from the author. All the testing is not complete yet but he spoke highly of those G. SKill & a Patriot kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by NLight95
Hi forum addicts,
About the middle of Mar '08, I built a new system as follows:
Asus Maximus Formula SE
QX 9750 Extreme 3.0 45nm quad (origonal air cooler)
4 gig Corsair CM2X1024-8500C5D
Asus 3870X2
Raptor X 4 74'2 in Raid 0
WD 80 for backup and data
Audigy 2ZS platinum
Liteon DVD
Antec Modular 850 PSU
Housed in a Lian Li 101
The system has been used for gaming....although, like everyone, I thought I might .......
......anyway...never got there yet. I am in aussieland and went to the USA to visit family for 3 months...May to Aug.
I had never had a problem...it was easy to initially setup...flawless and very zippy compared to the last (AGP). Games like Eve Online and Age of Conan it loved.
Yesterday I turned it on for an evenings gaming......and it refused to go past Dram. I fiddled and fiddled, and found that I could start it (occasionally) with only one stick in.
Once I managed to get it past dram and it fired up..I immediately went to the BIOS. The date had reverted to 2002...the raid had changed to IDE etc etc.
Try as I might...including managing to upgrade the bios to the latest ....I cannot get it to boot easily...and certainly when it does boot...it is with only one stick. I have changed the sticks around...and it will start sometimes...with any of the 4...so I figure it's not the memory.
My gut feeling?.........think something has gone in the motherboard.....
Anyone else with any ideas?
Chnage CMOS battery, date loss is usually CMOS battery dying. Although - try increasing teh voltages to the RAM. Corsair seems to need voltages increased on nearly every build I do these days :down:
~Bex
Had all 4 memory sticks checked..........one is gone, gone, gone........
so I'm hoping thats all it is........got BIOS 1207 and working OK at this stage with just 2 gigs
boots up with no worries.....but I worked through the BIOS very slowly
Cheers
I see MIIF is treating you well. I got a dog for a cpu here; max prime stable so far is 4.4Ghz @ 1.440v! :shakes: Anyway, I've trimmed it down to 4.2Ghz 24/7. I'm running high fsb to compensate, 7.5x560, PL9. This is on the second rampage I got from newegg. I've had to rma the other board since the water incident. Both boards have done 600fsb easy. My 2x2GB G.Skills have been the bottleneck so far but still this board amazes me with what it is able to do at relatively low voltages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
Everything is completely stable, 7.5x560, PL9.
Edit: I'm on bios RF 0410.
I'm very pleased with my choice so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Seem to be having troubles tho posting past 500FSB , alot of new options to learn.
GTL's have a math calculation so you no longer just set 0.63x ect, its now + or - mv's to adjust wich only complicates.
My E8600 cannot beat my Q9550 in any bench so its going to ebay today or tomorrow,
I see your still have excellent results running Rampage, I hope to aquire one soon:up:
I hope Asus will be out of stock on my RMA on the SE board. Should have got my shipping email Friday ( actually Thursay but I like to add 1 day to wait time ) So Monday I will start my :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:in and chewin and carry on about the long delay with my 3870X2 and toss in a few remarks about jumping ship in hopes of a upgrade. I doubt it will happen but I will try.
Lol. Goodluck on that. Someone is offering me cherry picked Rampage Extreme for a very attractive price, it's got me very confused since I'll have to get DDR3 ram too. Choices, choices.... :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
I am also pleased with the Maximus II Formula :)
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8...ghz135vgs4.jpg
So it seems like the Rampage or the MIIF are really good for FSB.
Thing is, with the Rampage Extreme, you sure won't be bottlenecked by the RAM.
There is almost zero performance increase using DDR3 other than benchmarking. Most current chips cannot utilize the bandwith that DDR2 provides, when the big N is realeased, that will change but for now DDR3 is a waste.n Also if intel releases a 775 chip with a memory controller that could change things aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by zlojack
I hear you and agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by trt740
I just meant that when you oc the FSB, you get to a point where DDR2 can't go any higher.
How is the 8600 comming along? I have been through 2 of them so far and I'm not overly impressed with it. My E8400 did 4.4 as you well know and I was hoping a 8600 would yeild a 5.0GHz 24/7 system. Well my 2 chips wont.Quote:
Originally Posted by zlojack
If I can get a DDR3 board for an upgrade with Asus I will be a happy boy.
I have alot of ddr2 here that could be sold off for a ddr3 kit.
In reference to the MIIF vs the Maximus X38 regarding ram bottle neck.
GSkill PC8500 2X2GB sticks
Maximus X38 required 2.2volts for 1080MHz and would not go a drop higher without errors.
MIIF requires 2.1volts for 1103MHz and 1133Mhz with 2.2volts and they might go a tad higher with some timing tweaking.
Mushkin XP2-8500
MIIF requires 2.1 volts for 1255MHz:shocked:
and I'm still trying to find the limit, this is running 5-5-5-15 dram static enabled and trans booster to stronger
Well, the first E8600 I had I returned because it clocked like crap and had stuck sensors. The one I have now is a bit better. I could never get 4.4GHz out of the E8400...it wouldn't get stable. I had 4.3 at 1.41v and on this E8600 I've got 4.4 at 1.34v so far, though I'm still tweaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
I'm curious to try out a new motherboard and see what it can do with this RAM and E8600, but at the same time, I'm not sure if it's worth dumping more money into a motherboard for a very minor difference in performance.
So, between a Maximus II Formula and Rampage Formula, what would the best overclocking choice be for an E8600? My Maximus Formula w/ Rampage Formula BIOS is very difficult to stabalize above 440 FSB, yet the chip is good for 4.4GHz with just 1.275V so I know it has got more in it and I think the motherboard is holding it back.
Both boards would be excellent choicesQuote:
Originally Posted by KRich
On the Maximus x38 my Q9550 would not post past 425FSB on any multi.
On the MIIF it will not only post but is benchable up to 501FSB on any multi.
I dont own the Rampage X48 but Zucker2k does and he also owns the E8600
on the 7.5 multi he runs a nice 560FSB
Thanks buddy :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
I guess then that overall, both would not hold the chip back, but the Rampage Formula would probably allow the maximum FSB using a lower multiplier.
The Maximus II Formula has got some nifty new stuff though and it looks like the BIOS has got more features too.
My PC hates me again. *sigh*
5GHz no more CPU ERROR on LCD but sometimes boots, other times not. 4.8GHz hates me as well now so on 4.6GHz atm but even that's went a bit funny..... :(
~Bex
Whats your GTL's at?Quote:
Originally Posted by RCG_Bex
I had 4.1GHz pass linpack 10 loop test twice then it would fail after that.
Adjusted GTL's only and it passing 20 loops 3 times, going to prime it now
Unless you live in an incredibly cold room and can maintain all your temps close to 10C, it'll be next to impossible to run that chip that high 24/7. 4.5Ghz is doable, but even that depends a ot on cooling.Quote:
Originally Posted by RCG_Bex
Hey Zucker2k, what was the max FSB you could run your Q9450 on the Rampage Formula? Still can't get 500FSB stable but this Maximus II is an early production board with the A2 chipset. I'll probably try the E8400 in it just to see where it tops out. I'm guess 550FSB.
It topped out at 495 for benches. Highest I've run a E8400 on MF is 6x560. Your particular chip and board should make all the difference. No reason why you shouldn't be able to run 580ish+ max.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Thanks, I guess I'll pass on the Rampage then. My chip topped out @ 495FSB for benching on the P5E VM HDMI & Maximus II. Kinda dissapointing since it does 3.8GHz @ 1.35v & can probably go lower.
.65 n .67Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
Back on 4.8GHz (still testing) but it needed more voltages than last time...
~Bex
RCG_Bex what are your vtt & pll voltages set at? Seems as though your cpu is degrading due to overvoltage in one of those area's.
Anybody have a bad or weird expeiience w/ flashing to new BIOS v1207? I did as usual via AFUDOS ES version and it booted once to ask for F1/F2 choice and of corse I chose F1 to enter and lookaround and load defaults and it never booted again. It is hanging on DET_ROM and sometimes displays ROM ERR. What happened.
Thankx!
EDIT: I had to use older rev OCZ Plats to get her going again and then drop my Crucials back in and set RAM spd and times manually as last time. So far, so good for now.
Oh yes, cause I know how hard it is for some to click the stand by button and check, I did it, I always do it, & it actually works again in BIOS v1207 in 1:1 and 1:2 as of now. I will test on my usual 5:6 tomorrow.
Looks as though the memory adjustments made to bios doesn't agree with your micron based memory. Do you have any other memory you can boot with? If not, you'll have to try with one stick. If not successful clr cmos remove battery and let it sit for awhile. It will boot after this but use one stick go into bios do not choose 400 strap, choose 333 or auto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs
That's exactly what I ended up doing from remembering of last time. I had to leave battery out for over 10mins and used my older OCZ Platinums w/ different ic's and it let me get the F1 for set up and I was good to go. I didn't have to touch voltages, I just fixed DRAM spd and rimings to defaults, manually.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
Thankx.
That asside, it already feels like a better BIOS then my previous BETA v1004. S3 "Stand By" (Sleep) actuallly works in at least 1:1 or 1:2. Anybody else have good results to share? I will try to get some time to test in the days to come.
My Crucial Ballistix Tracer 8500's don't like this MB at all, I'm back to my OCZ 8500's and it works great. If I put the Crucial Ballistix back in I get Det Error everytime now with the new Rampage BIOS, so I just run it with the OCZ and it seems to work great.
That's what I wondered... :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
Used to be 1.5v v-core (1.48v real), 1.56v PLL (1.65v real) - I tried to get it stable but it wouldn't or went funny, so I just jumped back down to running at 4.5GHz which it's fine at. No degrading there as far as I know.
What I have noticed though is that it's running hotter... ~3c more lately without a higher ambient
~Bex
[EDIT] Just jumped back over to 266 strap, took my PLL back to 1.5, v-core down to 1.48v, nb 1.49, termination 1.4, 0.63x and 0.67x. Booted at 4.7GHz alot happier but I get fatal errors in prime :(
My CPU / board seems to have this funny thing that if there's a tiny but too much over it freaks out - so I'll try tweaking from here again
What PL do you run for 1255?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
I've got a q9650 and maximus formula.
I have tried all the maximus formula and rampage formula bios' trying to find one that will let me get higher then 435FSB, but no luck , regardless of my settings or voltage (tried upto 1.75v nb)
Any tricks to 45nm quads? My q6600 g0 did 460 48 hours prime95 with this same board.
I've gone though any suggestions I could find in this thread incase it would help. Is it normal to get stuck so low on a 45nm quad? Think I'd run into same issue with an actual rampage formula?
x38's and most P35's top out @ 435-450 for 45nm quads. I've used several boards from different chipsets same results. Some boards couldn't reach 475 to bench others were prime stable @ 475. If your after a certain clock speed and aren't benching memory bandwith intensive stuff go P45. If you are go x48 but you may top out @ 450-480FSB with 45nm quad. X38 I wouldn't pair with a quad, and most p35 boards were terrible except abit IP35 Pro.Quote:
Originally Posted by MGreg
:D thanks, glad the rampage should allow me to get higher speeds, really want 4Ghz :ROTF: and the 16x 16x will help so I can add another 4870x2.
Now to find a rampage extreme in canada
I had the same problem, 425FSB was max on Maximus X38 bought a MIIF and hit 500FSB easyQuote:
Originally Posted by MGreg
My board is not liking high FSB even on a dual. I'm getting the urge for something different after almost a year with this board.
~490-500ish then good luck even getting into Windows...
I'm thinking I'm going to either grab a real Rampage Formula, a MIIF or splurge and go for a RE. But I also want to get a 4870 X2, so sticking with DDR2 might be a better move.
Zucker, what's your Rampage good for 24/7 on FSB?
I'm running two setups interchangeably; 7.5x560 (4.2Ghz) and 8x550 (4.4Ghz).Quote:
Originally Posted by zlojack
What bios version are you running? I've found that setting A/B skews to +300, DRAM Static Control = Disabled, and Clock Twister to AUTO can help a lot. You may want to give that a shot. Also, leave cpupll at 1.50v.
I'm running bios 410 (just installed today, actually) after finding 0408 to be fussy.
550 x 8 sounds like a pretty nice setup, as does 560x7.5
My board would not like that FSB, for sure. It won't even post past the SETUP with FSB higher than 510, never mind for 24/7 operation.
I think you need a new board :bounces:Quote:
Originally Posted by zlojack
You know you want one, Canada Computers has a MIIF in stock atm:yepp:
Now the Rampage Xtreme is a nice board if you have a spare kindney in exchange.
JUMP JUMP JUMP
Grn leave jack alone... hehe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
Gonna get an E0 8400 this week and then I tell u guys..
I hear ya... I'm back and forth on it. I really think the RE is a bit much, especially given the fact I'd have to spring for RAM as well, but it sure is tempting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
As for the MIIF, it's pretty awesome, but I want to see a few more results on the whole 16x vs. 8x PCIE issue (other than TweakTown), especially since I'll probably end up with 2 4870 X2's in there are some point.
Hehe... peer pressure :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Hmmm wonder if this will work on MFII. My Maximus -> Rampage is back in box for the moment. The MFII wouldn't prime @ 488FSB but when I set everything to auto it primed for a half hour. I stopped it because auto set the PLL to 1.78v. When I get home from work I'll try this and see if I can get 488FSB to pass a few hours of prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
I'm trying to see what kinda bandwidth these G.Skill sticks are capable of... DDR2 1160 (1:1), 8x580, PL9.
Ok I think I have a problem here. My CPU kept getting 1 core stuck at 100% - took it back down to 4GHz and I've noticed it likes to hover at ~50-60% on each core now constantly. Im guessing its the CPU that's fecked but any chance that it's my board? Also hows the new BIOS?
~Bex
Sounds more like your operating system freaked out.Quote:
Originally Posted by RCG_Bex
Probably scrambled the swap file and windows is looking for everything :D
hope the cpu didnt freek out