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So far I noticed something, I did a minor change to my settings to "test" the new BIOS, and when I went to "Save and Exit" it froze on me when I clicked ENTER. I turned it OFF and ON and made another change and it did not get stuck at the "Save and Exit" screen. << Crossing fingers >>
Hopefully this revision will allow me to kick my CPU up a notch or two, and finally let me to run 450FSB stable. << Double crossing fingers >>
Do you have a link please?Quote:
Originally Posted by nick2006
Still on bios 0401, fsb450/mem900, prime95 9h+ OK.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6...miumec2.th.jpg
I have about 1k less memory read bandwidth compared to 790i, but with X48 I am finally stable and not corrupting data all over the place anymore !
I would love to tighten timings or increase FSB, but my Cellshocks won't allow me to go to cas 7 or increase fsb, even by a few MHz (1840MHz and I get memtest errors).
Same for my QX9650 that refuses to go 4GHz unless I put vcore to 1.45 !!!
Why do I always get the worst possible parts? I can't even return anything because it works ok at stock...
My settings:
CPU Ratio: x8
FSB Strap: Auto
FSB Freq: 450
DRAM Freq: 1801MHz
DRAM Timing: Manual 8-7-6-21 2T, all the rest on Auto
CPU Vcore: 1.35
CPU GTL Vref 0/2: 0.65
CPU GTL Vref 1/3: 0.65
CPU PLL: 1.60
FSB: 1.28
DRAM Vdimm: 2.00
NB: 1.51
rest on Auto
LLC: Performance
I have left fsb strap, ai clock twister and ai transaction booster to [Auto] since I have no clue how to tune them.
Can anyone provide information / link so that we can all understand these settings and be able to tweak them?
Does that CPU need that much to at least do 3.8GHz? I noticed a few voltages kinda high for whaty I'm used to, Is that also what it took to keep it stable? like the PLL of 1.8v I thought 45nm was senisitive to PLL over 1.65v. I never went over 1.712v on my 65nm Quad. How much actual overvoltage is the actual used voltages?Quote:
Originally Posted by loonym
And what exacyly does the clock overcharge adjust? I dont have this option in Maximus.
The straps are diffrent internal timings on the mobo... 333 are most common, performs well, 266 are good if it works, but have difficulties at higher fsb.
requires more vMCH to.
Ai Clock twister are what it seems, and what i have noticed on memset, tREF changes when i change this setting, but it cant only be that.. but that is what i've noticed it does.
transaction booster are easy, it affects Performance level, soo 6 are PL6 and so on.
and Pull ins are some more further developed PL, but doesnt change in same way, may help to get PL7 performance at PL8 setting if you pull in those channels, tried it before to keep PL7 and pulled those in, got the same performance as if i were on PL6.
Thanks Infa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Infa
But that just sounds so opaque ;-)
Asus guys love to rename a simple setting (tRef) with an obscure name starting with "AI" lol.
FSB strap seems to be a way to loosen ram timings when going for higher fsb.
What I don't really get is why they have also an impact on the dividers between cpu/ram fsb.
No problemo :)
yeah, as a saying here in swe, dear child has many names hehe...translated.
but im not sure what more changed, perhaps its more that we cant see with the eye, some more internals settings maybe, couse the board is shutting down upon this setting when its saved, and it doesnt seem that only tREF needs a complete restart of the system, or maybe it think it does.. ah well, it gains pretty much bandwith just by putting it from stronger to strong looses about 200mb in read...so it DOES something atleast.. but a more longer stability needs little lighter settings maybe.. im keeping it at strong 24/7.
im keeping a pretty tight setting 24/7 , as tight and fast as it gets without overvolting it to much...
Those voltage numbers and timings all seem to need to go up quickly after 3.8ghz with my cpu. At 3.8 I can run stable much tighter timings and less voltages all around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs
Damn I have terrible performance issues with ASUS P5E3 premium and 9800GX2.
Framerates in Crysis or CoH benchmarks are way below what they should be (up to twice less performing compared to what can be found with those games in 9800GX2 reviews):
- CoH DX10 settings ultra/high, 1920x1200: 50fps in place of the 80+fps in most reviews
- Crysis DX9 high settings 1920x1200: 25fps instead of ~50fps
Also I have poor 3dmark06 score:
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7...0gx2bd1.th.jpg
Especially the Canyon Flight test is very low. I have not seen any 9800 GX2 in futuremark ORB that performs so BAD.
OS is windows vista x64 SP1, tried drivers: 174.74 & 175.16.
BIOS 0401 for the P5E3 premium.
Anyone equipped with a 9800GX2 cares to share his detailed 3dmark06 results?
Apparently I am not the only one: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=186501
Check the second post from the top..Quote:
Originally Posted by metro.cl
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us
Thanks, it would be great to know his parameters of stabilityQuote:
Originally Posted by nick2006
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I'm running BIOS 0402 and it is definitely more stable than 0401 but it's not 100% stable yet
Weird huh? more stable at stock? more stable in memory? more stable in hifh FSB? more stable at high cpu MHz?
I hate the bios releases they wont say really what is fixed or improoved for real,
When you removed the first driver, did you use Driver Cleaner by any chance? I had an issue trying to run my HD2900XT in Xfire and I didn't have Driver Cleaner on it since it is a new PC. Once I removed all the ATI drivers and laid down the new one after a reboot it worked like a charm.Quote:
Originally Posted by MateoTTR
The first time I did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Telo
Then I suspected the drivers were not properly installed over each other: so I uninstalled nvidia drivers, used driver cleaner, and reinstalled, but it did not change anything...
Some interesting notes and results in my CPU magazine regarding the Asus Striker II Extreme by Dave Altavilla.
I like the ASUS P5E3 because it comes with three PCI-2 2.0 slots. But for gaming, I'd rather get an Ultra SLI mobo for gaming, like the EVGA or XFX mobo and save $70+. It's obvious Asus still has more tweaking to do in their bios, it's over priced and overrated.Quote:
Although it "officially" only supports DDR3 speeds up to 1,333MHz, the 790i SLI should easily handle date rates up to 2GHz, depending on the motherboard manufacturer
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Performance-wise, Nvidia's new DDR3-infused chipset competes favorably with Intel's X48. It was on par and even slightly ahead in some of our tests, such as PCMark Vantage's Overall score (5853).
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Asus Striker Extreme II 790i Ultra SLI
PCMark Vantage
Overall - 5853
Productivity - 5475
Communications - 4992
Music - 5862
Gaming - 5862
TV and Movies - 4402
Memories - 5131
Cinebench 10
Multithreaded - 10801
POV-Ray (pixels per second) - 2628
Sony Vegas (lower is better) - 192
3DMark06 CPU - 4309
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Intel X48 Express
PCMark Vantage
Overall - 5576
Productivity - 5124
Communications - 4854
Music - 5482
Gaming - 5482
TV and Movies - 4229
Memories - 4819
Cinebench 10
Multithreaded - 10911
POV-Ray (pixels per second) - 2636
Sony Vegas (lower is better) - 191
3DMark06 CPU - 4376
After the fourth day I saw a large drop in xfireX performance with 2-3850x2. Completely uninstalling, driver cleaner, swapping cards, even a complete os reinstall wouldn't fix it. The score remained 50k in 3dm01 with either 1 or 2 cards no matter what cpu oc I had and no matter if the vid card clocks were stock or 900/1000 didn't matter. The board went back today.
Just want to share my exp. about performance issues with the combo P5E3 premium + 9800GX2.
I remounted my rig and decided to move the 9800 GX2 from the blue slot 2 to the blue slot 1 (closest to the CPU) so that it can better benefit from the airflow in my case.
And surprise the performance issues seem to have vanished, I gained roughly 1.5k points in 3dmark06, especially in HDR tests that now go 15-20 fps faster.
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8...lot2js1.th.jpg
green = slot1, red=slot2
Moreover the slot2 test was with slightly higher CPU clock !
Anyway I am not sure it would work for everyone, but slot2 seems to have bandwith issues with my board.
Of course the 2 blue slots are supposed to be x16.
UPDATE
I'm running the system at 425FSB, with the RAM underclocked to 1361Mhz @ 6-6-6-18 2T [this board really hates my RAM running above 1600Mhz]. Been doing a Prime95 for the last 75 minutes and still going strong.
QUESTION
Where can I get the Cell Shock RAM from? I only got two options, either get the RAM that is supported at 1800MHZ, or drop this board altogether and get the BlackOps; any thoughts?
tankguysQuote:
Originally Posted by Telo
Hey Telo, It would be a shame for you to have to drop a boatload of $$$ on 4GB of Cellshock ram at this point. You would definately take a hit after you sell your OCZ. Cellshock certainly seems to be more compatible with this board but I think that we should be able to get the OCZ more stable with appropriate settings. I believe that we should be able to tweak things in order to get things more stable. Clock skew is making a difference with OCZ ram. With a NB 1.41 and skew delay 100 I am prime95 stable over 8 hours but games (3D) crashes. With a delay of 250 I am completely stable. This is where I am currently at and I plan on pushing things further. I, like you thought about the same thing and dumping this ram and going with the other, but that is a lot of $$$ and a bit of a gamble too in my opinion. With some patience, others posting their expierences, and of course better BIOS updates, I think we can make it work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Telo
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P5E3 premium -- QX9770 -- 4X1GB OCZ platinum DDR3-1800
Thing is, this is now getting old. First, no Express Gate, not that it matters much since I disable it anyways, but if that was missing who knows what else was missing. Second, the forth memory slot [2nd black one] had a short or something, which would just stop the system from booting at all. Now, this one is just getting me aggrevated because I got to hit the power switch 1-3 times everytime I make a substantial BIOS change [frequency, RAM timings].
I honestly went with this board because I already owned 2x RADEON HD2900XT 1GB cards and there weren't many X48 boards out and this one offered the most; if I didn't own them or just owned one, I doubt I would have got this board. But the thing that p!sses me off the most is, that when I first heard of this board was when I was searching for the RAM for my new system, and guess what? Driver Heaven had a review in which they used this board and our RAM, and not only did they run benchmarks at 1800Mhz, they even tighten up the timings and what is even more aggrevating, they kicked it all the way up to 2010Mhz. Which leads me to believe 1 of 2 things happened there, either ASUS sent them a super rock solid board, or they lied; I'm leaning towards ASUS sending them a better board that what they are selling to us.
It's like they say, third time is the charm; this was my third board, and I know it sounds like I messed them up, but how could I? I never went passed any voltage that would damage neither my CPU nor my RAM. I never messed with a setting I didn't know jack about. I know the stabilty issues are caused by the RAM incompatabilty, I get that and quite honestly I can live with that, but the random little issues that I have discovered while trying to reach a more stable 400FSB just flat out made me hate this board. Like you said Razmatazz, the CellShock RAM option is nearly out of the question, I paid nearly $500 for the 4GBs of OCZ, yet 2GB of CellShock are $364-465, not to mention I would prolly have to bite the bullet and unload my OCZs for a lot less that what I paid for them. Then there is the ever present what if???; what if adding a RAM that seems to work for other people does not fix my issues because something else might be the root. I need to cut my loses, and just ditch the board and get one that supports the RAM that I already own. I'm really eager for tomorrow to come, just so that I can talk to the people that I got the motherboard from, and to call up Foxconn tech support and make sure the BlackOps supports my RAM to at least 1800Mhz.
UPDATE:
I'm currently running the system at 450FSB/1350Mhz RAM w/ 400Mhz FSB strap; CPU @ 1.36v, RAM 6-6-6-15-2T @ 1.98v, PLL @ 1.78v, VTT @ 1.30v, NB @ 1.41v, SB @ 1.20v. Seems pretty stable, did Super PI 4M and 32M [I usually do 4M first because 9/10 times it will freeze if the settings aren't right, meanwhile 32M can be almost finished before it spots an error]; Prime95 was stable for a couple of hours until I stopped it.
The only way i could get this board stable was set everything on auto except cpu voltage. NB voltage and Dimm voltage. Start from there.
Well, it's finally put together.
Now I could use a little help with some settings.
This is what I got - QX9770 3.2 running 3.6 stable.
- P5E3 Prem w/Wi-Fi Bios 0402
- 4 x 1g CellShock (Blue Kits) 1866mhz running 1600mhz all 4 slots.
Set up went without a hitch & everything paired up nicely (Knock on wood...lol). All Bios settings are normal (AUTO) except FSB & Multiplier.
Any help reaching a rock solid stable 4.0 - CPU w/2000mhz ram would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
P.S.- Any help getting both PCIx16 (Blue slots) running full out would be appreciated too. Bottom one running twice as fast as the top. Already tried flipping cards to no avail.
Are using Xfire? Did you set both card to the same GPU and RAM settings? For me, the only difference is that the card actually connected to the monitor runs a little warmer than the non populated one. I think you should use 1 card at time and test each in both slots to see if the performance is the same (that will show you what part is causing your issue).
Did all that & the cards & slots work perfectly on their own. I'll try running them at the same speed. there was just a minor diff higher on the slave (bottom).Quote:
Originally Posted by Telo
Thought it might be a bois setting somewhere.
What are your 3dmark06 results? I'm around 18500.
well I must admit this board is very strange . still not have it stable for just 3.6 ghz . not piece of cake like my P5K premium even with more volts on chip :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by voodo
Hope I will , cos it would be a pity not to o/c it !
edit : get stability under occt , several instabilities with prime/orthos make me think there is something weird with that mobo ( bios 402 beta ) as my chip was easily stable under P5K premium
http://pix.nofrag.com/d/4/0/167e62aa...d30e6f716t.jpg
http://pix.nofrag.com/5/4/9/2e2a008d...4276aca06a.png
Fo those interrested starting with ( bios 402 beta ) here are my settings
3.6 ghz ( 9 x 400 )
have to test 4 ghz later same wayQuote:
AI Overclocking: Manual
CPU Ratio Control: manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
STRAP: auto
FSB Frequency: 400
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1600
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency: 7
RAS# to CAS# Delay: 6
RAS# Precharge: 6
RAS# Activate to Precharge: 18
TWR: AUTO
TRFC: AUTO
TWTR: AUTO
TRRD: AUTO
TRTP: AUTO
tous les parametres SKEW ( settings fins de DRAM - ? ) auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Transaction Booster: manual
Level performance:6
Load line calibration:performance ( correspond à enabled )
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Voltage: 1.13
CPU GTL (0/2) Reference: AUTO
CPU GTL (1/3) Reference: AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.56
DRAM Voltage: 1.84
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.30
North Bridge Voltage: 1.45
North Bridge Voltage Reference: AUTO
South Bridge Voltage: AUTO
Clock Over-Charging Mode: AUTO ou 0.7 ( min )
Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Control: Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled
games ( crysis / COD4 WIC high esolution 1680 x 1050 no crash nor bsod ) I don't trust prime this time on my rig as even raising some volts it always failed whatever I did ( very random issues after 1h30 sometimes , 30 min , 5 min , with no change in settings )
This mobo seems to work fine with lot of settings auto