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10-26-2007, 07:23 PM
Viper666

Quote:

Originally Posted by akaBruno

I doubt it will without some more juice pumpin. We're lookin at a NF4 here not a 790.

Kyosen and Stephen are owed a debt of gratitude. They've taken crap chips to a level we haven't seen yet. On crap boards, I might add...

As far as I know... these guys are the only ones on the internet that have given us a glimpse of the AMD future.

Thanks guys,

BRUNO

Hum mine are running quite well TY on SUSE 10.3
10-26-2007, 07:25 PM
Gothic

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

I think it only needs a single stage to find out that..... :D

Fresh water should do it. At least my opty coldbugs at 18c @ 363MHz HTT.
10-27-2007, 12:50 AM
KTE

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cronos

For dual-channel mode Spi 1M time was 38.968, and it is clear that overclocked results were taken with memory in dual-channel mode.
So, 38.968 / 32.672 = 1.1927 = 19.3% it is.

I don't want to dwell on this here especially out of respect for others, but I'd like to make it clear. My method was correct but I was in error when I forgot to normalize the values for decreasing number = increasing performance. The formula stays consistent but the math in this scenario becomes:-
((1/32.672 - 1/38.968) / 1/38.968) x 100
= ((0.0306072 - 0.0256621) / 0.0256621) x 100
= 19.27% performance gain with a 20% clock increase

Hope it helps. :)

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Com'on Kyosen-san, we are all waiting for some usual magic :D

... And for Stephen :stick:
10-27-2007, 01:27 AM
SOLDNER-MOFO64

Quote:

Originally Posted by akaBruno

. Kyosen and Stephen are owed a debt of gratitude. They've taken crap chips to a level we haven't seen yet. On crap boards, I might add...

As far as I know... these guys are the only ones on the internet that have given us a glimpse of the AMD future.

Thanks guys,

BRUNO

Excuse me, "CRAP CHIPS" ? Oh you mean the first revision of new chips which is obviously labelled as CRAP by the hardcore uber elite clockers like you?

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhilDoc

Imho, chipsets have always been a major problem for AMD and have hampered performance. Whether their own or other manufactures. The NF4 did happen to be one of the better though. Lets hope the new AMD 790 finally gives AMD users a great one.

Explain how Nforce 2,3,4,500,550,570,590 or AMD 690G chipsets had MAJOR problems and hampered performance?
10-27-2007, 02:08 AM
kyosen

Today, I got my own Barcelona, Opteron 2346 HE:)

Bulk, but BA stepping:)
http://222.151.153.254/c-board/file/...6_GE_BA_x2.jpg

BIOS screen shot...NorthBridge clock is 1.60GHz
http://222.151.153.254/c-board/file/...BA_BIOS_NB.jpg

AMD Power Monitor, Everest, and CPU-Z
http://222.151.153.254/c-board/file/...rMon_Evrst.png

Memory clock is showed differently between CPU-Z and Everest...
I have no idea which is correct or not...

Now I'm thinking Vcore & Vnb mod,
but yeah I should run several benchmark programs
before I broke this board by mistake:D
10-27-2007, 02:32 AM
SOLDNER-MOFO64

best of luck m8
10-27-2007, 04:24 AM
Lightman

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyosen

.....
Now I'm thinking Vcore & Vnb mod,
but yeah I should run several benchmark programs
before I broke this board by mistake:D

You're very wise man :yepp:
10-27-2007, 05:23 AM
PhilDoc

We'd have to highjack the entire thread, but an example would be the NF3 and other early 939 chipsets. If you gave it too much voltage on vdimm you couldn't boot at 200 fsb. Most thought the boards were all buggered until Misteroadster and myself figure out you had to boot around 230 ish. There's and entire sticky about problems with the dfi nf4.

Anyway, too me this is a plus for AMD. It means there's extra performance that can be gained with an excellent chipset, which so far it appears they have with the 790
10-27-2007, 06:27 AM
Sparky

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOLDNER-MOFO64

Explain how Nforce 2,3,4,500,550,570,590 or AMD 690G chipsets had MAJOR problems and hampered performance?

Add ATI RD580 to the good list.
10-27-2007, 09:35 AM
quadnad

This is certainly a thread to watch. I'd love to see how the scaling shows up in real-world apps.
10-27-2007, 09:34 PM
Charles Wirth

Following the thread Kyosen-san, waiting for you to make those chips fly.
I hope you dont mind me doing a quick compare at your Mhz.
Vista 32bit, all services running.

http://222.151.147.26/c-board/file/C...t2350_2.4G.png
http://fugger.netfirms.com/c3.jpg
10-27-2007, 09:55 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by FUGGER

Following the thread Kyosen-san, waiting for you to make those chips fly.
I hope you dont mind me doing a quick compare at your Mhz.
Vista 32bit, all services running.

Charles, it'd be nice if you would have done a comparison using hardware that's currently shipping :rolleyes: Last I checked, Newegg doesn't list any Yorkfield Qx9770's along with Corsair PC3-16000's (as well as an "unknown" mb) :p: Just wait a bit and a more fair comparison would be with b2 stepping barcelonas.

BTW, I'm surprised the Barcelona is even running that close to the Yorky @ 3.2....maybe there is hope for Phenom after all :yepp:
10-27-2007, 10:18 PM
Viper666

Lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

Charles, it'd be nice if you would have done a comparison using hardware that's currently shipping :rolleyes: Last I checked, Newegg doesn't list any Yorkfield Qx9770's along with Corsair PC3-16000's (as well as an "unknown" mb) :p: Just wait a bit and a more fair comparison would be with b2 stepping barcelonas.

BTW, I'm surprised the Barcelona is even running that close to the Yorky @ 3.2....maybe there is hope for Phenom after all :yepp:

"BTW, I'm surprised the Barcelona is even running that close to the Yorky @ 3.2....maybe there is hope for Phenom after all "

Come on S7 thats normal Intels $2500 processor always beats Amd's $400 one and its always the comparison that gets made. One thing for sure that Yorky cant beat Crays Red Storm(Powered BY K8 Opterons),Intel doesnt make anything that can Only IBM does

Yea I got this feeling in my gut that says,there gonna be a real big shocker comin soon

followed by major fanboy whinning and crying
10-27-2007, 10:23 PM
s7e9h3n

Oops...Or is the Yorky running @ 2.4? I say your cheating! :p: j/k
10-27-2007, 10:24 PM
mongoled

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viper666

"BTW, I'm surprised the Barcelona is even running that close to the Yorky @ 3.2....maybe there is hope for Phenom after all "

Come on S7 thats normal Intels $2500 processor always beats Amd's $400 one and its always the comparison that gets made. One thing for sure that Yorky cant beat Crays Red Storm(Powered BY K8 Opterons),Intel doesnt make anything that can Only IBM does

Yea I got this feeling in my gut that says,there gonna be a real big shocker comin soon

followed by major fanboy whinning and crying

Quote:

Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

Charles, it'd be nice if you would have done a comparison using hardware that's currently shipping :rolleyes: Last I checked, Newegg doesn't list any Yorkfield Qx9770's along with Corsair PC3-16000's (as well as an "unknown" mb) :p: Just wait a bit and a more fair comparison would be with b2 stepping barcelonas.

BTW, I'm surprised the Barcelona is even running that close to the Yorky @ 3.2....maybe there is hope for Phenom after all :yepp:

Well the Yorky is running at 2.4Ghz and looks like Charles is playing Devils advocate.......
10-27-2007, 10:40 PM
Charles Wirth

I clocked down, below the Q9450 with Vista 32bit.
Showing where things are now is interesting.
10-27-2007, 10:48 PM
hipro5

I think that what FUGGER is trying to say is that IF a person in the near future goes and buys TWO machines, one with Phenom at 2.4GHz and one with Yorkfield at 2.4GHz TOO (NOT expenssive at all) and compare them both, he'll get the above resaults...... Nothing more and nothing less....:)
10-27-2007, 10:51 PM
mongoled

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

I think that what FUGGER is trying to say is that IF a person in the near future goes and buys TWO machines, one with Phenom at 2.4GHz and one with Yorkfield at 2.4GHz TOO (NOT expenssive at all) and compare them both, he'll get the above resaults...... Nothing more and nothing less....:)

Yes but this is flawed

Since when did the HE chips == Phenom

:P

oh an come sum1 put the 600 points gap into perspective.

i.e. using a baseline system, how many more mhz would be required to achieve those xtra points?

-edit-

700 points....
10-27-2007, 10:51 PM
Viper666

sorry I dont know him ,and no disrespect but Ive already seen benches of that proc. and it didnt beat barcy at 2.5 by that much !
10-27-2007, 10:57 PM
mongoled

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viper666

sorry I dont know him ,and no disrespect but Ive already seen benches of that proc. and it didnt beat barcy at 2.5 by that much !

Sorry to newer members of the forum

Charles == Fugger

:p:

Looking forward to the Yorkie-Phenoms head to head

:yepp:
10-27-2007, 11:21 PM
accord99

Quote:

Originally Posted by mongoled

i.e. using a baseline system, how many more mhz would be required to achieve those xtra points?

-edit-

700 points....

Since Cinebench scales almost perfectly with clockspeed on other processor architectures, it will probably take a 3.2GHz Barcelona to match the single-threaded performance of Yorkfield in 32-bit Cinebench R10 and 3GHz to match it at 4 threads.
10-28-2007, 12:00 AM
Mad_Man

FUGGER, to be a fair comparison, would you mind to run your bench again with only ONE stick of ram. or two in single channel for that matter?
and ddr2 at 400mhz 5-5-5 would equal to your 800mhz DDR3 at what? 9-9-9?

i would really like to see such a comparison
10-28-2007, 12:56 AM
mongoled

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad_Man

FUGGER, to be a fair comparison, would you mind to run your bench again with only ONE stick of ram. or two in single channel for that matter?
and ddr2 at 400mhz 5-5-5 would equal to your 800mhz DDR3 at what? 9-9-9?

i would really like to see such a comparison

Looking forward to seeing this result

:D
10-28-2007, 12:56 AM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad_Man

FUGGER, to be a fair comparison, would you mind to run your bench again with only ONE stick of ram. or two in single channel for that matter?
and ddr2 at 400mhz 5-5-5 would equal to your 800mhz DDR3 at what? 9-9-9?

i would really like to see such a comparison

We have to "match" on BOTH systems the Memory Bandwidth if we have to do it as you say....How much Everest Mem Bandwidth have the Barchies and how much the York?.....Latencies too.....Because due to internal Mem controler of the Barchie, the Mem Bandwidth is high......So to be more "accurate", BOTH Mem Bandwidths/Latencies MUST be "matched" somehow.....;)
10-28-2007, 12:59 AM
alayashu

a 'fair' comparison would be with a BA (wont exist afaik) or B2 Phenom:)
and i smell some Phenom benches at the horizon in the very near future:)

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