The GT300/Fermi Thread

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Originally Posted by Teemax

And why exactly is that?
You do understand that even 1080p is a rather pathetic resolution for PC monitor? If you like coarse image quality (due to the enormouse pixel pitch), then yeah, go for it I guess.

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You do understand that pixel pitch isn't everything? Judging from your response, I see that you do not.

Let me remind you what ISF says about the most important aspects of picture quality (in order) and I believe that that they are a "little" more knowledgeable than you. ;)

1) contrast ratio
2) color saturation
3) color accuracy
4) resolution


But nevermind, go for it, buy 2560x1600 monitor (hell, why not try finding one of those 3,840 x 2,400 ones :ROTF:) and throw a grand+ in video cards. And you still won't have satisfactory perfomance in Crysis/Stalker on very high/beyond very high + MSAA + transparency AA + Vsync + TB. :up:

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Originally Posted by neliz

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...6&postcount=66


and:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...1&postcount=71

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Thanks! So, Bad Company 2 is DX11 game build on upgraded Frostbite gen1 framework.

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wtf has GT100 got to do with this? Oh.. I see what you did there. I was talking about the very limited availability of parts, Some people were already disappointed with AMD's "ten thousands" of cards.

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sorry GF100, aka GT300 aka Fermi... I admit I'm lost in all this mambo jumbo of code names...

anyhow, since people say you're in to this GPU market, do you have any solid info about GF100, that isn't related to sampling strategy of PR department?

Finally, we have some lil' leaks. Thx for guidance neliz, really appreciate :up:

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Originally Posted by Nedjo

anyhow, since people say you're in to this GPU market, do you have any solid info about GF100, that isn't related to sampling strategy of PR department?

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If I was in the industry, perhaps, I would be bound by multi-million dollar NDA's?

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Originally Posted by neliz

If I was in the industry, perhaps, I would be bound by multi-million dollar NDA's?

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Probably ;).

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Originally Posted by m.fox

You do understand that pixel pitch isn't everything? Judging from your response, I see that you do not.

Let me remind you what ISF says about the most important aspects of picture quality (in order) and I believe that that they are a "little" more knowledgeable than you. ;)

1) contrast ratio
2) color saturation
3) color accuracy
4) resolution

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Citation needed

Video from CES2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkI-ThRTrPY

the card looks nice :up:

can't wait to see some benches :D

So fast with tesselation On


http://www.furyblog.com/pics/coolface1.jpg

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Originally Posted by WeeMaan

Nice find! :D
It looks pretty big, about over 11 inch for sure.

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Geforce is supposed to be ~10.5in, Tesla PCB is ~9.5in.

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Originally Posted by Dezmen

Video from CES2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkI-ThRTrPY

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So a video showing the card running the standard Heaven loop with zero information regarding clock speeds, TDP, frame rates, etc. etc. etc. Fantastic :rolleyes:

*yawn*

Nvidia Press Conferenze CES 2010

http://ispss.istreamplanet.com/nvidia/

http://www.techpowerup.com/112242/NV...ng_at_CES.html


pics and video of gf100 running at CES

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Originally Posted by tbone8ty

http://www.techpowerup.com/112242/NV...ng_at_CES.html


pics and video of gf100 running at CES

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sweet, thx for the headsup! :toast:
i wish they would have shows a video of the CARD though and not the benchmark... which everybody can watch on their own rig :P

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Originally Posted by saaya

sweet, thx for the headsup! :toast:
i wish they would have shows a video of the CARD though and not the benchmark... which everybody can watch on their own rig :P

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Are you serious? If so I would really recommend to think that one through once more.

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Originally Posted by Tim

Are you serious? If so I would really recommend to think that one through once more.

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sorry, i dont get it... whats the point of recording a benchmark run?
it looks the same on all hardware...

if we could see the fps, sure, thatd be interesting... but its pretty obvious that they wont show any numbers, and if it would stutter and not run fluently they def would show it either...

Well, at least ATI wins with their cooler design so far! :D

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Originally Posted by Teemax

Citation needed

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http://carltonbale.com/1080p-does-matter

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

Geforce is supposed to be ~10.5in, Tesla PCB is ~9.5in.

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The Tesla card would use lower spec'ed part, right?

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Originally Posted by saaya

sorry, i dont get it... whats the point of recording a benchmark run?
it looks the same on all hardware...

if we could see the fps, sure, thatd be interesting... but its pretty obvious that they wont show any numbers, and if it would stutter and not run fluently they def would show it either...

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What's more important? Seeing a video of a card from every angle, or actually showing Fermi running something substantial to the public for the first time.

You want numbers on alpha drivers? And then all the ATi trolls and negative people, sorry to say, that includes you being negative in a lot of posts, bash it to hell?

I'm for once am glad to see Fermi in action and looking pretty good too whilst doing it. We've been waiting so long for benchmarks, we can wait a little while longer yet. I'm sure you'd agree. :)

Hopefully more info on the geforce variant will start creeping out now, still wanting to see what the final specs are.

Tim, why are you always so rude to everone, on topic it is great to see fermi finally running, cant wait to see what products we get

live from nvidia CES
http://ispss.istreamplanet.com/nvidia/

jensen: "you can't do a conference by not talking about geforce, nvidia is the geforce company after all. I am happy to tell you that it's in mass production"

Geforce is in Volume Production.

Meh, that was a huge disappointment as far as GF100 info goes, was expecting at least some exaggerated slides or something. But I really enjoyed seeing the UT demo (the game I love) running on the tablets tho. :)

Omfg they didnt show Fermi xD Epic Fail

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

jensen: "you can't do a conference by not talking about geforce, nvidia is the geforce company after all. I am happy to tell you that it's in mass production"

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That was the only mention of Geforce in the whole conference... looks almost like a last minute thought :shrug:

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Originally Posted by m.fox

http://carltonbale.com/1080p-does-matter

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What exactly is your point with that chart?
2560x1600 has twice the details as 1080p, and the article supported the benefits of higher resolution which was my point.

Are you lost?

I will need some weeks to understand that awesome amount of data :D

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Originally Posted by Dezmen

Omfg they didnt show Fermi xD Epic Fail

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They showed the card running a benchmark. What more can they show/say without actually getting into launch territory? And we all knew it wasn't launching at CES.

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

They showed the card running a benchmark. What more can they show/say without actually getting into launch territory? And we all knew it wasn't launching at CES.

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Showing ONE thing that it does that the HD5970 cannot. Like that 3D Vision thing.

Right now, they're just confirming that finally they have HW tessellation; which is honestly rather boring.

i think the lack of bragging about fermi is a bit of a sign that they are still figuring some things out. im not watching the feed, so i dont know how much they talked, but from what you guys are saying, its practically nothing.

if there was pic of epic fail i could use it right now they pretty much repeated last conference this time with unfinished product lol

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Originally Posted by Teemax

Showing ONE thing that it does that the HD5970 cannot. Like that 3D Vision thing.

Right now, they're just confirming that finally they have HW tessellation; which is honestly rather boring.

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They did show 3D vision, actually a huge chunk of the presentation was all about 3D stuff.

In terms of tessellation, it's a DX11 video card so why were you expecting to see something more than DX11? If they have any new features to brag about they will obviously will keep them close to their chest until launch. CES was not the launch event so they didn't have to show anything at all.

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Originally Posted by Bodkin

Tim, why are you always so rude to everone, on topic it is great to see fermi finally running, cant wait to see what products we get

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Always rude to everyone? I post once or twice a week, and nothing I'm aware of is rude to anyone or everyone. You must mistake me for someone else. Feel free to read through my post history. I might have been direct a long time ago when I was posting regulary, but never utterly disrespectful or rude.

And for the record, I'm not in the slightest being rude, the amount of negatism and trolling on this forum against nVidia is simply appalling. And wether you like it or not, a lot of posts by saaya are negative towards something or the other. If I wanted to be rude, the post would have been a LOT different.

you guys sound like women fighting over purses.

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Originally Posted by Dami3n

I will need some weeks to understand that awesome amount of data :D

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:ROTF:
:clap:

This keynote was so boring. Where can I get the minutes I lost back? Oh wait, I followed Palm's keynote as well and at least they delivered...

I would have at least expect GTX380-sli or something beating HD-5970. That would've been an awesome move and kicked AMD/ATI in teh balls. But meh... one can dream.

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

They did show 3D vision, actually a huge chunk of the presentation was all about 3D stuff.

In terms of tessellation, it's a DX11 video card so why were you expecting to see something more than DX11? If they have any new features to brag about they will obviously will keep them close to their chest until launch. CES was not the launch event so they didn't have to show anything at all.

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Indeed, I just finished the live blog.
6 million pixel, so I guess 3 1080p monitors? That isn't bad.

But NVIDIA claimed "first Bluray 3D hardware" is rather amusing. They don't even have a product out yet, and the market already has at least one Bluray 3D hardware: PS3 :)

this has tons of discrepancies, but still:

http://forum.amtech.com.vn/attachmen...cification.png

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

this has tons of discrepancies, but still:

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A1 revision was barely working, but it's still over the expected clocks at 720Mhz?

Looks like it's fabricated.

Tim you seem to be an nvidia fan so whats wrong with ATI fans? I understand that it is annoying when other people are putting down fermi, a product from which you seem to have great expectations/hope. Anyway as a consumer, i would welcome any sort of competition from nvidia but perhaps due to my inexperience, i am somewhat disappointed since i was expecting more data about fermi.

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Originally Posted by Teemax

Indeed, I just finished the live blog.
6 million pixel, so I guess 3 1080p monitors? That isn't bad.

But NVIDIA claimed "first Bluray 3D hardware" is rather amusing. They don't even have a product out yet, and the market already has at least one Bluray 3D hardware: PS3 :)

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RLY? Please list the entire hardware setup that lets you watch blue rays movies in 3d using a PS3. Nvidia has the hardware already in place with only blue ray authored DVDs needed to fall into place. I am on a 60" 1080p DLP as I type this . . . Several sets of Nvidia 3d glasses here as well.

This is a kid using my setup at an Intel LAN party

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5570/dsc012672579279.jpg

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Originally Posted by h0bbes

Tim you seem to be an nvidia fan so whats wrong with ATI fans? I understand that it is annoying when other people are putting down fermi, a product from which you seem to have great expectations/hope. Anyway as a consumer, i would welcome any sort of competition from nvidia but perhaps due to my inexperience, i am somewhat disappointed since i was expecting more data about fermi.

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I prefer certain brands to others like any other sane person, but I do have a big problem with people shouting all sorts of abuse at nVidia and that amount adds up to an incredible amount from the ATi fans, which in my humble opinion just gets to the point where it's enough is enough. Yes, Fermi is late, really late, but at least it's coming, and seems to have good performance from reports so far. Everybody knows Fermi is late, but c'mon, some people are really beating up a dead horse.

I was just as glad and had high hopes for ATi's current generation, just like I've got high hopes for Fermi. Nothing wrong with that.

I wanted to see a lot more information too, but if any other launch is anything to go by, proper leaks will soon come, and I'm quite happy to check back in now and then to watch the prelaunch speculation. At the moment, I'm quite happy seeing Fermi running something substantial.

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

this has tons of discrepancies, but still

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The architecture doesn't allow the core clock to be more that 0.5x the hot clock so those clocks look wrong.

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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis

RLY? Please list the entire hardware setup that lets you watch blue rays movies in 3d using a PS3. Nvidia has the hardware already in place with only blue ray authored DVDs needed to fall into place. I am on a 60" 1080p DLP as I type this . . . Several sets of Nvidia 3d glasses here as well.

This is a kid using my setup at an Intel LAN party

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5570/dsc012672579279.jpg

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You just need the one and only PS3 to play Bluray 3D, as confirmed by Sony...
How exactly do you play Bluray anyway with NVIDIA?

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Originally Posted by Tim

I prefer certain brands to others like any other sane person, but I do have a big problem with people shouting all sorts of abuse at nVidia and that amount adds up to an incredible amount from the ATi fans, which in my humble opinion just gets to the point where it's enough is enough. Yes, Fermi is late, really late, but at least it's coming, and seems to have good performance from reports so far. Everybody knows Fermi is late, but c'mon, some people are really beating up a dead horse.

I was just as glad and had high hopes for ATi's current generation, just like I've got high hopes for Fermi. Nothing wrong with that.

I wanted to see a lot more information too, but if any other launch is anything to go by, proper leaks will soon come, and I'm quite happy to check back in now and then to watch the prelaunch speculation. At the moment, I'm quite happy seeing Fermi running something substantial.

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Nvidia isn't getting flak from just ATI people, there's a pretty general consensus lately due to their marketing tactics, renaming, and fighting over PhysX, CUDA, etc. with others that has gone on for some time, and it's built up when their cards keep seemingly be delayed

There's no need to take it personally at all and get caught up over it. Your best bet is just to sit back and relax and wait..

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Originally Posted by zerazax

Nvidia isn't getting flak from just ATI people, there's a pretty general consensus lately due to their marketing tactics, renaming, and fighting over PhysX, CUDA, etc. with others that has gone on for some time, and it's built up when their cards keep seemingly be delayed

There's no need to take it personally at all and get caught up over it. Your best bet is just to sit back and relax and wait..

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You're probably right. I'm not here to offend anyone, or to think that I'm being rude, so apologies to anyone who did think my posts as being rude.

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Originally Posted by Teemax

You just need the one and only PS3 to play Bluray 3D, as confirmed by Sony...
How exactly do you play Bluray anyway with NVIDIA?

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On a PC equipped with a blue ray drive and an Nvdia GPU with 3d kit . . .
They have had their product out since last CES including short movies in 3d. They DID NOT say they would have a blue ray drive they said they has the first blue rad 3d hardware meaning the ability to handle the hardware and software part displaying 3d stereo images. That has nothing to do with the blue ray medium other than the capacity making it feasible.

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Originally Posted by m.fox

The Tesla card would use lower spec'ed part, right?

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In most cases, Telsa/Quadro cards seem to be higher/tighter bins due to very strict power/cooling/reliability requirements.

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

The architecture doesn't allow the core clock to be more that 0.5x the hot clock so those clocks look wrong.

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And...you know....the memory interface.

"He looks really cool with this glasses"

I'd really want to edit that pic a little but the text is in the way. :)

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Originally Posted by zerazax

There's no need to take it personally at all and get caught up over it. Your best bet is just to sit back and relax and wait..

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yea gt300 isnt going to be out for a long time (which is why i just upgraded my grafx)

they said 1. quarter 2010 :yepp:

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Originally Posted by IgoRR

they said 1. quarter 2010 :yepp:

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The first tuesday on the second week of March, right after CeBit.

(the second tuesday will have hell freeze over, be prepared!)

Come on i want some GT300 Farming !!!:eleph:

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Originally Posted by Cybercat

And...you know....the memory interface.

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Its January 2010.

Anybody here as disappointed as me with the so called "Fermi demo"?

What ever happened to the facebook photo of Fermi SLI setup - fake? Not ready yet?

Why did they only have 1 board to show at CES?

With some like me calling for aggressive short-sell/puts, certainly it wouldn't have hurt to show a dozen Fermi boards... ie prove really in production.

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Originally Posted by Tim

What's more important? Seeing a video of a card from every angle, or actually showing Fermi running something substantial to the public for the first time.

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the video doesnt show fermi running anything, it shows a display... :D
i would have liked to see the card from all angles, yes...

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Originally Posted by Tim

You want numbers on alpha drivers?

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is this a trick question? :D of course!

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Originally Posted by Tim

I'm for once am glad to see Fermi in action and looking pretty good too whilst doing it.

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they could have done a lot more to impress the audience if you ask me... but yeah, the demo showed that their drivers are doing pretty well i guess...

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Originally Posted by Tim

We've been waiting so long for benchmarks, we can wait a little while longer yet. I'm sure you'd agree. :)

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nah... i wish nvidia would have STFU about fermi and wouldnt have created any hype for it in q4 of last year... they are stretching it too much... and no real news... its boring...

hey nvidia, sup?
im gonna launch fermi real soon!
oh wow, neat...

next month:
hey nvidia, hows it goin?
im gonna launch fermi real soon!
oh, cool!

another month later:
yo nvidia, anything new?
im gonna launch fermi real soon!
hmmm... ok...

yet another month later:
hey nvidia, still launchin that fermi huh?
im gonna launch fermi real soon!
rofl... yeah yeah... whatever... :D

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Originally Posted by Tim

And wether you like it or not, a lot of posts by saaya are negative towards something or the other.

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huh? what'd i do? :D

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Originally Posted by IgoRR

they said 1. quarter 2010 :yepp:

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they also said november... and christmas... :P

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Originally Posted by saaya

hey nvidia, sup?
im gonna launch fermi real soon!
oh wow, neat...

next month:
hey nvidia, hows it goin?
im gonna launch fermi real soon!
oh, cool!

another month later:
yo nvidia, anything new?
im gonna launch fermi real soon!
hmmm... ok...

yet another month later:
hey nvidia, still launchin that fermi huh?
im gonna launch fermi real soon!
rofl... yeah yeah... whatever... :D

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:rofl: You nailed it.Its been real boring and only hardcore NV fans seem to still care .ATi release was real fun .

Fermi Triple SLI watercooled.

http://www.hwupgrade.it/news/skvideo...oni_31216.html

http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/fermi_geforce_back.jpg

http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/fer...triple_sli.jpg

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Originally Posted by Gilgamesh

Fermi Triple SLI watercooled.

http://www.hwupgrade.it/news/skvideo...oni_31216.html

http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/fermi_geforce_back.jpg

http://www.hwupgrade.it/immagini/fer...triple_sli.jpg

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now THATS more like it :D
way to go for saving the day evga :toast:

those vents on the cards backs look very nice, should be good for some nice airflow and low noise... in idle at least :D

in the past nvidia locked tri and quad sli until they needed it...
if nvidia already supports tri sli of fermi, that kinda sounds like they will need 3 cards to beat 5970 xfire...
makes sense, that means a fermi will be faster than a 5870, but a 5890 might catch up...
interesting! :D

Woot they finally added Display Port output to their reference cards and got rid of that ridiculous S-Video output port! I'll be looking forward to hooking up DP to my monitor when I get one of these cards!

yeah... id really like to know who actually used those s-video ports... i used it like 10 years ago to hook up my tv to the card...
but tvs have dvi ports for a while now, so who actually still used the svideo ports? :D

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Originally Posted by ~CS~

:rofl: You nailed it.Its been real boring and only hardcore NV fans seem to still care .ATi release was real fun .

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Yeah, they had a BOAT!!!!

And like 40 rigs set up that people could ..you know. Watch and play with.

HAHAH Yeah i used s-video about 10-11 years ago too to hook up my tv to cards as well because back then it looked respectable. Even if they don't have DVI, you can still use DVI->HDMI converter so no problemos. I'm just interested in playing with Display Port cause it's new and it comes standard on the gf100! I've always wondered how tight the cables are, and whether they easily fall out like E-Sata do!

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Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides

Yeah, they had a BOAT!!!!

And like 40 rigs set up that people could ..you know. Watch and play with.

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No.But people cared and there was a much healthier discussion .

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Originally Posted by saaya

now THATS more like it :D
way to go for saving the day evga :toast:

those vents on the cards backs look very nice, should be good for some nice airflow and low noise... in idle at least :D

in the past nvidia locked tri and quad sli until they needed it...
if nvidia already supports tri sli of fermi, that kinda sounds like they will need 3 cards to beat 5970 xfire...
makes sense, that means a fermi will be faster than a 5870, but a 5890 might catch up...
interesting! :D

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Yep thats true but i dont like the thinness of the bars in the vent, i hope they are strong enough to take a small blow "Transporting safety"

I am sure that the GF100 will not be as fast as 5970 "With mature drivers" but seeing as how even my friends GTX295 beats 5870 its no surprise that GF100 can beat 5870 but by how much thats the real question.

Now since March is just too far off for me i'll have to buy the cheapest DX11 card i can find till that time or get a 5870 :(

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Originally Posted by saaya

in the past nvidia locked tri and quad sli until they needed it...
if nvidia already supports tri sli of fermi, that kinda sounds like they will need 3 cards to beat 5970 xfire...
makes sense, that means a fermi will be faster than a 5870, but a 5890 might catch up...

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It would be rather sad if even with a dual GPU card ATI couldn't catch NVidia's single GPU card.

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Originally Posted by kgk

It would be rather sad if even with a dual GPU card ATI couldn't catch NVidia's single GPU card.

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Nvidia is playing catch up now.

Hi,

French report about nVidia Fermi @ CES2010, some information about heat dissipation. PCWorld is in LasVegas during CES, lucky they are!

Link in french: Link in french
Link in english (google translation)

ThermalTake and CoolerMaster statement: Fermi is hot, hot, hot! ThermalTake will sell a specific case, Fermi-certified... because for SLI it seems you need an additional cooling module.... CoolerMaster also build a Fermi-certified case, under NDA for the moment. But... very very hot... and 300W for ... a single GPU ... how will they do for the dual GPU? Anyway hope this is interesting for you .

FERMI + WATERCOOLING FTW GUYS :D ! A new heat , power and overclocking challenge is coming soooon :explode2::cheer:

300W for a single GPU?! That's insane!

Fermi better be amazingly fast for it's power consumption or it might be NV's version of the 2900XT. :(

Doesn't sound very good to me..

I'm going to develop my own video card.

/me opens notepad.

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Originally Posted by Piotrsama

Nvidia is playing catch up now.

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Yes, thank you for that profound statement that has illuminated us all and yet has nothing to do with what I was referencing, which was whether Fermi would be able to beat an HD5970.

If you're looking to pick a fight with an NVidia fanboy you might want to look at the signature first. :rolleyes: I simply said it would be rather disappointing if ATI's dual GPU card doesn't beat out Fermi. That's all.

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Originally Posted by kgk

Yes, thank you for that profound statement that has illuminated us all and yet has nothing to do with what I was referencing, which was whether Fermi would be able to beat an HD5970.

If you're looking to pick a fight with an NVidia fanboy you might want to look at the signature first. :rolleyes: I simply said it would be rather disappointing if ATI's dual GPU card doesn't beat out Fermi. That's all.

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I hope that GF100 can compete against HD 5970, which would be quite a feast for NVIDIA. But there really isn't any indication that this would be the case except for some baseless rumours so far.


I don't like the news from the French article... you need a certified case to run Fermi SLI because it might emit 300w per card...

I don't beleave that one card needs 300W ...

If you want to see Fermi crashing - stay tuned till the end... :rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-1GM...ayer_embedded#

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Originally Posted by OliverM84

I don't beleave that one card needs 300W ...

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The one demo'ed at CES had one x6 and one x8 connector, so it probably breaks the 225w barrier. Will it get close to 300W is anyone's guess, but you shouldn't dismiss what ThermalTake and CoolerMaster stated just like that.

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Originally Posted by Shadov

If you want to see Fermi crashing - stay tuned till the end... :rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-1GM...ayer_embedded#

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Yes, i know that video from yesterday ... it's a three way sli fermi system.

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Originally Posted by OliverM84

Yes, i know that video from yesterday ... it's a three way sli fermi system.

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Makes you think no? AMD did all their demos at Computex on Juniper/Broadway ;)

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Originally Posted by Teemax

The one demo'ed at CES had one x6 and one x8 connector, so it probably breaks the 225w barrier. Will it get close to 300W is anyone's guess, but you shouldn't dismiss what ThermalTake and CoolerMaster stated just like that.

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+ 75W coming from the PCIe slot like the HD5970, it's 300W, like the 5970 with 2 gpu...

Maybe less power requirements in real life and final release , hope so. Maybe it's a FUD from both case manufacturers to increase the sales potential of their new cases ''designed for Fermi'', they are @ CES to push their products isn't it?

But anyway as for HD5970, Watercooling is a great thing for overclocking potential and quiet operation mode. 200W, 300W who cares if watercooled. The power supply maybe :D But they are talking about broken cards returned to nVidia after validation testing for case cooling design....

What does it mean probably: that the testing hardware delivered for case engineering was not the mature version, and probably not the final one. Check the HD5970 story, it was a nightmare before 9.12 driver and today some people still have hardware issues.... not only driver issues... Hope that the delay with Fermi is a good new, and that we can hope to receive mature and stable hardware with rc and not beta or alpha drivers and bios...

We have some demo hardware available months before official release in my company, and for example with servers, the internal design is not the final one, the case is clearly over weighted because it's custom made, the fans are running @100% speed because Bios is not final release and we want to make sure not burning some components, etc... we have some Nehalem EX based servers, looks horrible but it's engineering process, and certainly not the final version. That's why there are NDA's.... Otherwise you'll get a lot of FUDing on the market with non definitive specs, and issues that will not happen with the release candidates and the production model. We need demo hardware for some customers and some projects, but we would never sell these boxes because sometimes the specs are not final one.

But I think that the good information to keep in mind for people waiting for Fermi, is that they'll need a good power supply, and a good cooling architecture within their case. Who cares to buy only released PSU models referenced on the nVidia or ATI website? If you need a 1000W PSU, you need a 1000W PSU, not this particular one, ok there are some exceptions but... Who has a SLI and use the recommended case on the nVidia's website... probably not every nVidia user. I don't know if my TJ07 is ''certified'' by nVidia but I don't care. I think that there is behind that ''Fermi certified stuff'' some commercial agreements between case manufacturers and nVidia, because today's IT industry need business partnerships and alliances. That's the way big it companies stay alive. Mergers, takeovers, ...

Badly here when giving such information, TT and CM may put some fears, uncertainties ans doubts in our minds. :down:

They're on the same node, if 5970 uses 300W and Fermi will at least compete with 5970, it can't be less than say 225W... Unless Nvidia designed an unbelievably power efficient GPU which I doubt

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Yes, thank you for that profound statement that has illuminated us all and yet has nothing to do with what I was referencing, which was whether Fermi would be able to beat an HD5970.

If you're looking to pick a fight with an NVidia fanboy you might want to look at the signature first. :rolleyes: I simply said it would be rather disappointing if ATI's dual GPU card doesn't beat out Fermi. That's all.

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Calm down, and don't flame.

It would be sad IF ATI were releasing the 5970 after Nvidia's Fermi, which... is not the case. That's what I wanted to point out.
And no, a single Gpu Fermi card won't be faster than the 5970.
So yes, Nvidia is playing catch up. And their cards won't be here until 2 months (at least).

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Originally Posted by Shadov

If you want to see Fermi crashing - stay tuned till the end... :rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-1GM...ayer_embedded#

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Pathetic..

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yeah for a card which isn't ready for release for another 3 months....




hell, it's awesome... its obv all they ahve to do is spend time on drivers and such...

Yeah, it's pretty obvious that lots of full tower cases with correct ventilation are ready for SLI/Tri-SLI Fermi certification, although they may don't get it due to the manufacturers not feeling like paying the extra bill.

Silverstone TJ07/TJ09/TJ10, RV01/RV02, FT01/FT02
Cooler Master HAF 922/932, ATCS 840, Cosmos/Cosmos S, Stacker 830/831/832
Antec P183/P193/900/1200
Lian Li A70/A71/A77/B70/B71, P50/P60/P80, X500/X1000/X2000
NZXT Tempest/Khaos
Zalman GS1000/GT1000
Corsair Obsidian 800D
Among many others...

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yeah for a card which isn't ready for release for another 3 months....

hell, it's awesome... its obv all they ahve to do is spend time on drivers and such...

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Yeah, if it's not a heat issue ...

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Yeah, if it's not a heat issue ...

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It was under watercooling.

No, the system was running after a reboot again.

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Hi,

French report about nVidia Fermi @ CES2010, some information about heat dissipation. PCWorld is in LasVegas during CES, lucky they are!

Link in french: Link in french
Link in english (google translation)

ThermalTake and CoolerMaster statement: Fermi is hot, hot, hot! ThermalTake will sell a specific case, Fermi-certified... because for SLI it seems you need an additional cooling module.... CoolerMaster also build a Fermi-certified case, under NDA for the moment. But... very very hot... and 300W for ... a single GPU ... how will they do for the dual GPU? Anyway hope this is interesting for you .

FERMI + WATERCOOLING FTW GUYS :D ! A new heat , power and overclocking challenge is coming soooon :explode2::cheer:

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Very interesting read. :up:

What was most interesting was this:

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Il se susurre d’ailleurs que la plus puissante des Fermi égalerait une Radeon HD 5870 mais pas la 5970. Pour aller au-delà de la 5870, il faudrait augmenter les fréquences et… dépasser alors la limite des 300 watts

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Basicly he's secretly implying that the top Fermi part will be roughly equivalent to a hd5870 and not a 5970. To surpass the hd5870 Fermi would have to break the 300W limit.

So to recap: Fermi is ½ year late, about equal to a 5870, consumes as much as a 5970 and it's much more expensive to produce. :down: Nvidia is about to enter a world of pain I'm afraid....

Well... it's only a speculative thought. nVidia = no official statement about final specs, from their side we have only such a commitment for availability, and some tiny clues, just enough to allow users to their fantasies, just enough to maintain a pseudo suspense and keep the attention of potential targeted customers... It looks like Stev Job's strategy. Nothing filters before official launch (theoritically) and apple fanboys are speculating, sometimes with very good ideas...

But nVidia is not Apple.

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Calm down, and don't flame.

It would be sad IF ATI were releasing the 5970 after Nvidia's Fermi, which... is not the case. That's what I wanted to point out.
And no, a single Gpu Fermi card won't be faster than the 5970.
So yes, Nvidia is playing catch up. And their cards won't be here until 2 months (at least).

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That was not flaming, and I would highly suggest you take your own advice :D

I never said Nvidia was not playing catch up. Who was ahead of who wasn't anywhere in my post. You're trying to create an argument where there is none for the sole purpose of flaming this thread.

All I said was that I would be sorely dissapointed if Fermi beat the HD5970. Me personally. That's it. If you want to imagine some non-existent anti-ATI undertone despite my owning multiple ATI cards and there being no such tone, have at it. But you can debate that with yourself.

End of discussion.

You would be disappointed if Fermi beat the 5970? But the 5970 is already here. Which means that you will be disappointed is Fermi is an awesome card. Which means that you wouldn't like Fermi to be a fast card. Which doesn't make sense unless you're an ATI fanboy, and you're being blamed otherwise.

I don't get it. :D

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You would be disappointed if Fermi beat the 5970? But the 5970 is already here. Which means that you will be disappointed is Fermi is an awesome card. Which means that you wouldn't like Fermi to be a fast card. Which doesn't make sense unless you're an ATI fanboy, and you're being blamed otherwise.

I don't get it. :D

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id be happy

ati would HAVE TO drop their prices.. lol :) :up:

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id be happy

ati would HAVE TO drop their prices.. lol :) :up:

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Whatever makes you think that nvidia would be happy to sell their cards for anything less than $500/600/700?

If Fermi performs as expected (faster than 5870, slower than 5970) its reasonable price would be in the $500's. Lower than $500 and higher than $600 wouldn't make sense.

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You would be disappointed if Fermi beat the 5970? But the 5970 is already here. Which means that you will be disappointed is Fermi is an awesome card. Which means that you wouldn't like Fermi to be a fast card. Which doesn't make sense unless you're an ATI fanboy, and you're being blamed otherwise.

I don't get it. :D

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I would be disappointed because it would allow NV to price gouge even more, and ATI wouldn't be able to offer anything to beat or match it. When two manufacturers offer a product with similar performance levels you get better competition in terms of pricing. Some people think ATI would drop prices, but if you wind up having to buy two of them (and nearly equaling or exceeding the cost of the single faster card) a lot of people don't find it worth the investment. Plus then you're at the mercy of drivers when it comes to scaling.

If one blows the other out of the water, they can charge whatever they want. Remember the $800 8800 Ultras?

Never said it was likely to happen, just that if it did, it would be disappointing. Everyone is so anxious to throw more gas on the fanboy flamewars after the mods spent so much time extinguishing them. And I'm not even a dedicated fan of either company :(

I'm just anxious to see hard data on Fermi and some side by side benchmarks with ATI's offerings. Enough of this PR wharrgarbl.

prices are much higher than they should be. video cards have been going up about 10% since summer 09. if things were normal, a 5870 should be under 300$ by now. if fermi comes out for 400$ then we may see a solid 30% price drop by ati, or if fermi comes out for 500$, ati might just drop prices to force nvidia to do the same.

If the top Fermi card comes out with 400$ price tag then hell will freeze over.

GeForce 380 has huge :) power consumption, but performance is only few percent under HD 5970 and far away from HD 5870 perf. Trust me, will see next week on many servers, when NDA for info lifts!

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GeForce 380 has huge :) power consumption, but performance is only few percent under HD 5970 and far away from HD 5870 perf. Trust me, will see next week on many servers, when NDA for info lifts!

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The numbers NV distributed so far are really "best case scenarios."