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09-11-2009, 07:36 PM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by cegras

Cost / deskspace - I don't see how this would be too much of an issue. People who can accord luxuries will buy into this, people who won't will still be buying budget cards with 15" LCDs.

F#%K all people who before Eyefinity became available and were happy on one monitor will now be buying 3 monitors.

Just because there will be some tiny percent who do, doesn't mean that pointing out how irrelevant Eyefinity will be to 99% of users is not accurate.

Also your strange attempt to segment the market into Eyefinity multi-monitor buyers and 15 LCD buyers is ridiculous.

If the 5870 offers the same price/performance benefit over the GT300 that the 4870 did to the GT200, then that is likely my next card, but no way in hell will I be wasting my time on that marketing gimmick now known as Eyefinity.

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Power consumption: Seriously?

3 monitors vs 1, yep.

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Bezel space: You choose an odd x odd grid of monitors so your center piece is a monitor and not a bezel. Simple enough?

LOL. No. I don't waste my money to be slave to the technology. It has to be compelling to me, not the other way around.
09-11-2009, 07:48 PM
purefun65

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Boga

F#%K all people who before Eyefinity became available and were happy on one monitor will now be buying 3 monitors.

Just because there will be some tiny percent who do, doesn't mean that pointing out how irrelevant Eyefinity will be to 99% of users is not accurate.

Also your strange attempt to segment the market into Eyefinity multi-monitor buyers and 15 LCD buyers is ridiculous.

If the 5870 offers the same price/performance benefit over the GT300 that the 4870 did to the GT200, then that is likely my next card, but no way in hell will I be wasting my time on that marketing gimmick now known as Eyefinity.

3 monitors vs 1, yep. LOL. No. I don't waste my money to be slave to the technology. It has to be compelling to me, not the other way around.

You need to take a time out! THIS IS NOT STRICTLY FOR GAMING!
09-11-2009, 07:51 PM
cegras

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Boga

F#%K all people who before Eyefinity became available and were happy on one monitor will now be buying 3 monitors.

Just because there will be some tiny percent who do, doesn't mean that pointing out how irrelevant Eyefinity will be to 99% of users is not accurate.

Also your strange attempt to segment the market into Eyefinity multi-monitor buyers and 15 LCD buyers is ridiculous.

If the 5870 offers the same price/performance benefit over the GT300 that the 4870 did to the GT200, then that is likely my next card, but no way in hell will I be wasting my time on that marketing gimmick now known as Eyefinity.

3 monitors vs 1, yep.

LOL. No. I don't waste my money to be slave to the technology. It has to be compelling to me, not the other way around.

We can speculate all we want. All I can do is point out the possibility that the judgement you're so sure of is wrong.

However, knowing your history, it would be pointless of me to try and debate semantics with you, as arguments with you frequently degenerate to.
09-11-2009, 07:52 PM
zerazax

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Boga

F#%K all people who before Eyefinity became available and were happy on one monitor will now be buying 3 monitors.

Just because there will be some tiny percent who do, doesn't mean that pointing out how irrelevant Eyefinity will be to 99% of users is not accurate.

Also your strange attempt to segment the market into Eyefinity multi-monitor buyers and 15 LCD buyers is ridiculous.

If the 5870 offers the same price/performance benefit over the GT300 that the 4870 did to the GT200, then that is likely my next card, but no way in hell will I be wasting my time on that marketing gimmick now known as Eyefinity.

3 monitors vs 1, yep.

LOL. No. I don't waste my money to be slave to the technology. It has to be compelling to me, not the other way around.

I can't believe it. People here are actually MAD about a technology that is OPTIONAL for them? It's an added bonus that you dont have to worry one damn bit about

Some people seriously take their technology too personally :rolleyes:
09-11-2009, 08:00 PM
annihilat0r

Some of you are really pathetic. This is a nice technology, a bonus, that makes you be able to play games on 3 combined monitors. Why do you have to go mad about this as if AMD is basing their entire 5xxx marketing upon Eyefinity? It was announced just f'king YESTERDAY and here you are talking about "marketing gimmick" when AMD didn't even have any time to be really marketing this technology.

It enables you to play at 3 monitors at amazing resolutions. It's something cool. Nobody forces you to buy 3 or 6 monitors if you want a 5xxx card which INCIDENTALLY will probably be amazingly fast one. Now shut the hell up.
09-11-2009, 08:01 PM
Oberon

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Originally Posted by Chad Boga

Well perhaps we can appoint you as Mr Eyefinity and you can let us all know when issues like cost, deskspace, power consumption, minimum framerates, 20 to 30mm combined bezel space, driver issues are no longer things we need to worry about and that Eyefinity will stop being a near worthless gimmick for 99% of users.

Perhaps you should spend a bit of time rereading what you post?

I suspect there are more nobel crusade's one could dedicate themselves to.

Can you go crap on some other thread? Thanks.

I for one think the technology is really cool, even if I can't personally afford it (yet :D). It's also a good way to show off the raw power of the silicon in lieu of any really demanding software that average joe can actually get his hands on.
09-11-2009, 08:11 PM
cegras

Just to quote some 'facts' (since I'm sure people will question the validity):

Eyefinity transparently handles the combinations of monitors as one virtual monitor.

They allow economical stacking of monitors instead of paying exponentially for more space. The human eye is more responsive to horizontal versus vertical change, and if using an odd x odd grid of monitors, bezels at the edge of your vision will vanish with play, as it has been proven that static objects at your periphery disappear over time.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article746-page3.html

A 19" monitor consumes under 30 watts. Adding two more will make the total consumption ~90W. I'm not sure how this is significant. A 30" Dell consumes:

http://support.dell.com/support/edoc...P/EN/about.htm

147 W.

HM.

Also, let us not forget progress towards LED backlit LCDs as well as OLEDs.

Furthermore, there is no reason to enable AA / AF at such high resolutions. If I recall the rationale correctly, the higher the resolution you go, the less image smoothing you need. This is why Left4Dead is playable at 11 megapixels.
09-11-2009, 08:14 PM
purefun65

@ chad boga I believe you need a vacation from this thread! member since 2004 and you are the first I reported! Lived through nnstep and some others but time for you to go!
09-11-2009, 08:21 PM
To(V)bo Co(V)bo

I agree, Its not like you get to use only 500 shaders per monitor, but if you use two monitors you get 1000 to use. 1600 shaders only for full eyefinity users, sorry guys.

If eyefinity bothers you so much, how about you just wait for ATI to make you a 5870 without it?

Guys I really think its a waste to use newer 5gbs GDDR5, we should tell them to put back the 4gbs GDDR5 ram back on it because it works just as good.:rofl:

We now have options for multi displays weve never had, shure its new, but Im shure its gonna catch on sooner than later. Now we just need some cheap bezel less monitors. You can always upgrade in baby steps, buying monitors when you can. You dont have to go buy three right away. You can grab 3 acer 23" 1080 monitors for what 450$ now.

Whats really nice about these new cards is all the horsepower. Just think of all the physics processing these can do without hurting FPS performance. It is now possible to add major effects that can all be used with only a single gpu. All we need to do is burn physx, and embrace DX compute or openCL. Im sure there is plenty of power for phyisics and wicked fast frames.
09-11-2009, 08:28 PM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by purefun65

@ chad boga I believe you need a vacation from this thread! member since 2004 and you are the first I reported! Lived through nnstep and some others but time for you to go!

And what have you reported me for? Being unimpressed by Eyefinity and thinking it is a gimmick?

Oh my, what a crime. :rolleyes:

I forgot that everytime a company introduces a new feature, we need to bow down before it and proclaim it as the greatest thing since sliced bread.
09-11-2009, 08:29 PM
LC_Nab

All we need to pray now for game makers for them not to encode the game specially for nvidia , since Ive seen so many tittles that are nvida enconded and some games dont support Ati's Anti- Aliasing . So lets pray they are enlighten xD .

And chad man cool off ,its a forum to exchange ideas with peace and intellect . I mean come on .
09-11-2009, 08:32 PM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by LC_Nab

And chad man cool off ,its a forum to exchange ideas with peace and intellect . I mean come on .

My idea is that Eyefinity is little more than a pointless gimmick, why are some so keen to suppress this idea?

If by exchange ideas you simply mean that we can only say positive things about new features, then I think your idea of "exchange" is not all it could be.
09-11-2009, 08:34 PM
purefun65

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Originally Posted by Chad Boga

F#%K all people who before Eyefinity became available and were happy on one monitor will now be buying 3 monitors.

Just because there will be some tiny percent who do, doesn't mean that pointing out how irrelevant Eyefinity will be to 99% of users is not accurate.

Also your strange attempt to segment the market into Eyefinity multi-monitor buyers and 15 LCD buyers is ridiculous.

If the 5870 offers the same price/performance benefit over the GT300 that the 4870 did to the GT200, then that is likely my next card, but no way in hell will I be wasting my time on that marketing gimmick now known as Eyefinity.

3 monitors vs 1, yep.

LOL. No. I don't waste my money to be slave to the technology. It has to be compelling to me, not the other way around.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Boga

And what have you reported me for? Being unimpressed by Eyefinity and thinking it is a gimmick?

Oh my, what a crime. :rolleyes:

I forgot that everytime a company introduces a new feature, we need to bow down before it and proclaim it as the greatest thing since sliced bread.

As being a ceo. We who are in the the loop listen to and sometimes laugh at our consumers, who spout rhetetoric!
09-11-2009, 08:35 PM
LC_Nab

Um means no need to say such words about people and get aggravated by it . All positive and negative are welcomed , just cool your tongue before posting . Thats all .
09-11-2009, 08:41 PM
Solus Corvus

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Originally Posted by Chad Boga

My idea is that Eyefinity is little more than a pointless gimmick, why are some so keen to suppress this idea?

It's not a gimmick if some users actually find it useful. So what if only 0.00001% of the community uses the feature - it still has a use.
09-11-2009, 08:42 PM
To(V)bo Co(V)bo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Boga

My idea is that Eyefinity is little more than a pointless gimmick, why are some so keen to suppress this idea?

If by exchange ideas you simply mean that we can only say positive things about new features, then I think your idea of "exchange" is not all it could be.

Dont worry chad, Its ok. Im not mad at you. You can still come over and play on my triple headed dragon setup and play call of duty.:buddies:
09-11-2009, 08:46 PM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by Solus Corvus

It's not a gimmick if some users actually find it useful. So what if only 0.00001% of the community uses the feature - it still has a use.

Yeah that is fine, but people shouldn't then be trying to portray this as something that will have significant impact upon a sizeable minority.

I'm trying to keep things in perspective here, not just fawn and gush.

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Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo

Dont worry chad, Its ok. Im not mad at you. You can still come over and play on my triple headed dragon setup and play call of duty.:buddies:

:lol2: Thanks. :up:
09-11-2009, 08:48 PM
ajaidev

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Originally Posted by Chad Boga

And what have you reported me for? Being unimpressed by Eyefinity and thinking it is a gimmick?

Oh my, what a crime. :rolleyes:

I forgot that everytime a company introduces a new feature, we need to bow down before it and proclaim it as the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I agree with you that several people will not use the tech. but for the people who do use it would be quite a different experience. I have played flight sim's on Matrox TripleHead's "at a office conformance room" and it was pretty neat.

Other than that you can surf online 3 pages at once :rolleyes: . But thats not the crown jewel some people love their older games "like farcry 1,quake 3, doom 3, etc" and even playing those at such high resolutions would be quite exciting. I have 2 old crt's which are 15 inch each and a LCD which is 19 inch's. CRT's work good with several resolutions and using the LCD as the central display puts things into prospective. :yepp:

BTW Con-grads i think u have been quoted the most in this thread :rofl:
09-11-2009, 08:50 PM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

BTW Con-grads i think u have been quoted the most in this thread :rofl:

Certainly not a goal I had set for myself. :nuts:
09-11-2009, 08:57 PM
cegras

So much for all the effort I put into constructive debate. : (
09-11-2009, 08:58 PM
Solus Corvus

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Originally Posted by Chad Boga

Yeah that is fine, but people shouldn't then be trying to portray this as something that will have significant impact upon a sizeable minority.

I'm trying to keep things in perspective here, not just fawn and gush.

I agree that some people's reaction to the tech is kind of odd. But they have to fawn and gush over something since they don't have much in the way of benchmarks to gush over. :ROTF:

But personally I may find it quite useful and I hope NV introduces the feature as well. Quite a long time ago I used to have quite a few large monitors sitting around. But got rid of them because of videocard limitations on multi-monitors. I'm glad to see that video card manufacturers are increasing the number and ways that you can utilize monitors with their cards. Flexibility is a good thing.

You may think it's useless and wasteful, but personally I would love to game on 4 projectors in a QuadHD configuration.
09-11-2009, 09:00 PM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by cegras

So much for all the effort I put into constructive debate. : (

Why do you say that?

Just because you didn't sway me doesn't mean you had no influence on others.

At the end of the day, you can't be expecting to convince everyone, but as long as you have your say and people accept that they will agree to disagree, then what is the problem?
09-11-2009, 09:01 PM
To(V)bo Co(V)bo

So would would you say physx is a gimmick? cause I know its the most neeto thing ever! I can litterly use folding with my level 30 mage on wow and cast some crazy spells. I wish everything would fold with 60fps.

I had to buy a new motherboard and cpu so I was physx ready. Whew, Im glad Im ready now.

Just wondering? when will physx be ready.:ROTF:
09-11-2009, 09:09 PM
Xope_Poquar

I wish Ruby had less testosterone. :(
09-11-2009, 09:10 PM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo

So would would you say physx is a gimmick? cause I know its the most neeto thing ever! I can litterly use folding with my level 30 mage on wow and cast some crazy spells. I wish everything would fold with 60fps.

In comparing Physx to Eyefinity, as I am in the market for a new video card, I could buy either next gen Nvidia or next gen ATI based on which card I am more impressed by, and I would get which ever feature free at no cost.

However to take advantage of Eyefinity, I need to buy extra monitors, have the extra deskspace(no small consideration by the way), and then find games that wouldn't suffer slow down at these high resolutions(and that I would want to play).

No doubt Nvidia will implement their own version of Eyefinity if not in the GT300 series, then their next series, so at least it will disappear as a talking point about advantages.

As for Physics in games, I get the feeling that Physx is unlikely to triumph, as something that will run potentially equally well on either maker's cards will need to surface for everyone to get behind it.
09-11-2009, 09:21 PM
purefun65

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Originally Posted by Chad Boga

In comparing Physx to Eyefinity, as I am in the market for a new video card, I could buy either next gen Nvidia or next gen ATI based on which card I am more impressed by, and I would get which ever feature free at no cost.

However to take advantage of Eyefinity, I need to buy extra monitors, have the extra deskspace(no small consideration by the way), and then find games that wouldn't suffer slow down at these high resolutions(and that I would want to play).

No doubt Nvidia will implement their own version of Eyefinity if not in the GT300 series, then their next series, so at least it will disappear as a talking point about advantages.

As for Physics in games, I get the feeling that Physx is unlikely to triumph, as something that will run potentially equally well on either maker's cards will need to surface for everyone to get behind it.

once again this is not ABOUT GAMES. your consumer group is small in the real world.:up:
09-11-2009, 09:24 PM
Sh1tyMcGee

Honestly i havnt been this excited about a video card releases since the 8800GTX, im proud of ATI, as long as the card performs better than a GTX 295.
09-11-2009, 09:30 PM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by purefun65

once again this is not ABOUT GAMES.

Yeah it is about Microsoft Office. :bs:
09-11-2009, 09:38 PM
purefun65

You tin foil hats save us millions on R&D and we love you guys. Thats why we Throw you a bone. you guys save us millions on R&d. nuff said:shocked: when i worked for intel we we were anti-overclocking. that is a thing of the past.
09-11-2009, 10:02 PM
ajaidev

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Originally Posted by Xope_Poquar

I wish Ruby had less testosterone. :(

I wish Ruby had less clothing. :yepp:
09-11-2009, 10:06 PM
Zorlac

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Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee

Honestly i havnt been this excited about a video card releases since the 8800GTX, im proud of ATI, as long as the card performs better than a GTX 295.

I agree! I have never even owned an ATI card, but that is about to change. ;)
09-11-2009, 10:11 PM
Final8ty

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Originally Posted by cegras

Furthermore, there is no reason to enable AA / AF at such high resolutions. If I recall the rationale correctly, the higher the resolution you go, the less image smoothing you need. This is why Left4Dead is playable at 11 megapixels.

Snip!

I only wish that were true.
The problem is that its not more resolution is the same space & i need just as much AA as others on smaller lower res monitors.
Being able to sit a bit further back can help with needing less AA when the gfx card aint upto the job on a particular game

The pixel density is higher on the 30" displays but it does not make up for AA.
AF is not really effected by the resolution of the monitor. A blurry texture is a blurry texture at any res.
09-11-2009, 10:14 PM
Oberon

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Originally Posted by Chad Boga

Yeah it is about Microsoft Office. :bs:

... or about those of us that have a genuine need for that sort of screen real estate.
09-11-2009, 10:16 PM
blindbox

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Boga

My idea is that Eyefinity is little more than a pointless gimmick, why are some so keen to suppress this idea?

If by exchange ideas you simply mean that we can only say positive things about new features, then I think your idea of "exchange" is not all it could be.

You do realise it is not only for gamers? Those who likes to view stock graphs, go ahead and buy nvidia with their physx, yay.

Yes, go ahead and choose PhysX. I'm pretty sure a lot of games will play with 3 monitors smoothly too. They've just demo'ed it.
09-11-2009, 10:48 PM
ajaidev

Just imagine this in 6 monitor or 3 monitor configuration :>

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/Data...Engine3_02.jpg

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/Data...Engine3_01.jpg

:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
09-11-2009, 11:03 PM
vietthanhpro

video Cry Engine :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04dMyeMKHp4
09-11-2009, 11:11 PM
lowdog

Ha ha.....from here; http://venturebeat.com/2009/09/10/am...uter-displays/

Wow, nVidia realy think physX is the ants pants.

Acer, Dell, HP, MSI and Toshiba are creating computers using AMD’s latest graphics chips. In response, Nvidia said in a statement, “The gaming world has moved to dynamic realism, which depicts actual physical movement more realistically than ever before. For example, the No. 1 PC game coming out next week is ‘Batman: Arkham Assyum,’ which takes advantage of graphics plus physics to give it extraordinary realism. Because we support GPU-accelerated physics, our $129 card that’s shipping today is faster than their new RV870 (code name for new AMD chips) that sells for $399.”
09-11-2009, 11:22 PM
Solus Corvus

So nVidia got benchmarks before we did?! :mad::mad::mad:

:rofl::ROTF::rofl::ROTF:
09-11-2009, 11:48 PM
AKM

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Because we support GPU-accelerated physics, our $129 card that’s shipping today is faster than their new RV870 (code name for new AMD chips) that sells for $399.”

LMAO

Can't blame them though, until their next gen cards are out this is their only possible response to AMDs onslaught.
09-12-2009, 12:01 AM
DelaMaris

http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/a...9/f9e7c325.jpg

http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/a...9/79fb7340.jpg

Copyright by CzechGamer
09-12-2009, 12:02 AM
jaredpace

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Originally Posted by lowdog

Ha ha.....

Nvidia said in a statement, “The gaming world has moved to dynamic realism, which depicts actual physical movement more realistically than ever before. For example, the No. 1 PC game coming out next week is ‘Batman: Arkham Assyum,’ which takes advantage of graphics plus physics to give it extraordinary realism. Because we support GPU-accelerated physics, our $129 card that’s shipping today is faster than their new RV870 (code name for new AMD chips) that sells for $399.”

:rofl:
09-12-2009, 12:02 AM
Newblar

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Originally Posted by AKM

LMAO

Can't blame them though, until their next gen cards are out this is their only possible response to AMDs onslaught.

wow that has got to be the dumbest thing ive ever heard
09-12-2009, 12:05 AM
jaredpace

http://www.overclock.net/customavata...ar65891_14.gif >"Nvidia's statement, or AKM's response??"

hah
09-12-2009, 12:05 AM
flopper

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Originally Posted by AKM

LMAO

Can't blame them though, until their next gen cards are out this is their only possible response to AMDs onslaught.

The odd reactions are due where people been acustomed to a specific set of expected new stuff from a specific field in this case videocards.
And when this changes, not just how videocards been expected to be like but adding a new experience as the displaysupport ati has done, this forces some people to adversity as it dont fit their view of what a videocard should be like.
And even if its optional, that wont matter.
Lucky for us, they dont make them ;)

Nvidia and their response will be typical, Nvidia.
Anyone still play single games?
Multiplayer games online, MMOG etc..that where stuff rocks.
09-12-2009, 12:09 AM
LockBreaker

How far away are these cards? Are we talking days, weeks or even months?
09-12-2009, 12:15 AM
jaredpace

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Originally Posted by LockBreaker

How far away are these cards? Are we talking days, weeks or even months?

You can buy one in 2 weeks!
09-12-2009, 12:31 AM
AMDDeathstar

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Originally Posted by lowdog

Ha ha.....from here; http://venturebeat.com/2009/09/10/am...uter-displays/

Wow, nVidia realy think physX is the ants pants.

Nvidia said in a statement, “The gaming world has moved to dynamic realism, which depicts actual physical movement more realistically than ever before. For example, the No. 1 PC game coming out next week is ‘Batman: Arkham Assyum,’ which takes advantage of graphics plus physics to give it extraordinary realism. Because we support GPU-accelerated physics, our $129 card that’s shipping today is faster than their new RV870 (code name for new AMD chips) that sells for $399.”

That's good to know, I already have 9800GT.
I guess we won't need that DX11 stuff either.

NOT!:down:
09-12-2009, 12:35 AM
FischOderAal

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Originally Posted by jaredpace

You can buy one in 2 weeks!

Nothing in the future is certain ;) Imho you should've written "You should be able to buy one in 2 weeks!"
09-12-2009, 12:39 AM
AKM

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Originally Posted by Newblar

wow that has got to be the dumbest thing ive ever heard

Please tell me what's so dumb about it? I'm just pointing out that NV is using PhysX as a weak response to AMD's new cards.
09-12-2009, 12:41 AM
LockBreaker

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Originally Posted by jaredpace

You can buy one in 2 weeks!

You see, both my HD4890's died this week. Dunno why, they just passed away. And I arranged it so that I could trade them in for two GPU's in the same pricerange. I suppose I could wait a little bit before I RMA'ed them, so that I could buy some cards from the newer series. I would of course have to pay a possible shim thats getting in the way. :)

Do you guys think thats possible or is the HD5xxx series too far away?
09-12-2009, 12:43 AM
zerazax

He was saying Nvidia's response was dumb

BTW wow that RV870 core looks huge for an ATI one
09-12-2009, 12:45 AM
trinibwoy

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Originally Posted by Newblar

wow that has got to be the dumbest thing ive ever heard

Wow, I'm sure the guy who wrote that went home and took a long shower afteward to wash away the shame :rofl:
09-12-2009, 12:46 AM
FischOderAal

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Originally Posted by LockBreaker

Do you guys think thats possible or is the HD5xxx series too far away?

Official release is 22/23. of september. You can be quite sure AMD is building up stock right now.
09-12-2009, 12:50 AM
LockBreaker

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Originally Posted by FischOderAal

Official release is 22/23. of september. You can be quite sure AMD is building up stock right now.

Thanks mate. Suppose I should try to wait until the release then. :)

When are nVidia set to release the GT300-series?
09-12-2009, 12:53 AM
largon

^Don't bother. 5800s are more expensive than 4890s and obviously they won't give a free upgrade. You will get a pair of HD4890s.
09-12-2009, 12:54 AM
jaredpace

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Originally Posted by FischOderAal

Nothing in the future is certain ;) Imho you should've written "You should be able to buy one in 2 weeks!"

Well yes this is true. Technically you should be able to buy one from Sept. 23rd to the release of Win7 on Oct. 22nd.

You should be able to pick a date in that timeframe as your guess. :P - Thx fischoderaal.
09-12-2009, 12:56 AM
FischOderAal

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Originally Posted by jaredpace

Thx fischoderaal.

Yeah, sorry I'm nitpicking, but I'm in a effin good mood atm :D
09-12-2009, 12:56 AM
Tomasis

Im doing simracing.. 3x monitors would be useful for me. I was planing buy second 24" of high quality.. It means I could place S-IPS monitor in the middle and place two cheap TFT at both sides..

but not only for gaming is useful, for Photoshop, AE it is useful for workflow :)

chad boga is just game guy and has no clues about digital media world, graphics design etc. leave him alone and let him play :D
09-12-2009, 12:58 AM
LockBreaker

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Originally Posted by largon

^Don't bother. 5800s are more expensive than 4890s and obviously they won't give a free upgrade. You will get a pair of HD4890s.

I think you misunderstood me. I arranged it so with my dealer that the HD4890 could be traded in for another card, and of course I will have to pay the additional dollars the 5xxx series will cost. :)

Btw. when are nVidia going to release their GT300 series?
09-12-2009, 01:08 AM
iTravis

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Originally Posted by LockBreaker

I think you misunderstood me. I arranged it so with my dealer that the HD4890 could be traded in for another card, and of course I will have to pay the additional dollars the 5xxx series will cost. :)

Btw. when are nVidia going to release their GT300 series?

I don't think they're going to since

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Nvidia said in a statement, “The gaming world has moved to dynamic realism, which depicts actual physical movement more realistically than ever before. For example, the No. 1 PC game coming out next week is ‘Batman: Arkham Assyum,’ which takes advantage of graphics plus physics to give it extraordinary realism. Because we support GPU-accelerated physics, our $129 card that’s shipping today is faster than their new RV870 (code name for new AMD chips) that sells for $399.”

No need for GT300, their current GPUs are faster than HD58xx series already.
09-12-2009, 01:21 AM
labs23

Quote:

Originally Posted by iTravis

No need for GT300, their current GPUs are faster than HD58xx series already.

LOL at nVidia's statement.
I'm sure this time they're dying to release their cards too, just got nothing ATM.:ROTF:

Unlike DX10.1, DX11 is something they can't let pass over.:rolleyes:
09-12-2009, 01:30 AM
jaredpace

Quote:

Originally Posted by iTravis

their current GPUs are faster than HD58xx series already.

http://i32.tinypic.com/fd845f.jpg
09-12-2009, 01:40 AM
iTravis

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaredpace

http://i32.tinypic.com/fd845f.jpg

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4718/obamahellno.jpg
09-12-2009, 01:43 AM
STaRGaZeR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xope_Poquar

I wish Ruby had less testosterone. :(

LOL
09-12-2009, 02:02 AM
Helloworld_98

Quote:

Originally Posted by iTravis

No need for GT300, their current GPUs are faster than HD58xx series already.

Have you even seen the 5870 Crysis benchmark @1920x1200 4xAA 16xAF?

it gets ~40% more fps than the GTX 295, and Crysis prefers nvidia cards!

And the 5870 can play Crysis at 5760x2160 with playable frames, a few months ago someone tried playing Crysis with triple SLI GTX 285's @ 3840x2160 and frames were single digits.

the 5870 is a force to be messed with, I'm not sure if nvidia can keep up this time.
09-12-2009, 02:06 AM
jaredpace

:coffee: :doh:
09-12-2009, 02:14 AM
iTravis

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

Have you even seen the 5870 Crysis benchmark @1920x1200 4xAA 16xAF?

it gets ~40% more fps than the GTX 295, and Crysis prefers nvidia cards!

And the 5870 can play Crysis at 5760x2160 with playable frames, a few months ago someone tried playing Crysis with triple SLI GTX 285's @ 3840x2160 and frames were single digits.

the 5870 is a force to be messed with, I'm not sure if nvidia can keep up this time.

Nvidia said in a statement, “The gaming world has moved to dynamic realism, which depicts actual physical movement more realistically than ever before. For example, the No. 1 PC game coming out next week is ‘Batman: Arkham Assyum,’ which takes advantage of graphics plus physics to give it extraordinary realism. Because we support GPU-accelerated physics, our $129 card that’s shipping today is faster than their new RV870 (code name for new AMD chips) that sells for $399.”

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2821/youjustgotpwned.jpg

:ROTF:
09-12-2009, 02:16 AM
Newblar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

Have you even seen the 5870 Crysis benchmark @1920x1200 4xAA 16xAF?

it gets ~40% more fps than the GTX 295, and Crysis prefers nvidia cards!

And the 5870 can play Crysis at 5760x2160 with playable frames, a few months ago someone tried playing Crysis with triple SLI GTX 285's @ 3840x2160 and frames were single digits.

the 5870 is a force to be messed with, I'm not sure if nvidia can keep up this time.

man sarcasm is hard to tell in text form
unless its not sarcasm...
09-12-2009, 02:16 AM
Smartidiot89

Quote:

Originally Posted by iTravis

Nvidia said in a statement, “The gaming world has moved to dynamic realism, which depicts actual physical movement more realistically than ever before. For example, the No. 1 PC game coming out next week is ‘Batman: Arkham Assyum,’ which takes advantage of graphics plus physics to give it extraordinary realism. Because we support GPU-accelerated physics, our $129 card that’s shipping today is faster than their new RV870 (code name for new AMD chips) that sells for $399.”

Lol, yeah PhysX :rofl:
09-12-2009, 02:22 AM
Helloworld_98

Quote:

Originally Posted by iTravis

Nvidia said in a statement, “The gaming world has moved to dynamic realism, which depicts actual physical movement more realistically than ever before. For example, the No. 1 PC game coming out next week is ‘Batman: Arkham Assyum,’ which takes advantage of graphics plus physics to give it extraordinary realism. Because we support GPU-accelerated physics, our $129 card that’s shipping today is faster than their new RV870 (code name for new AMD chips) that sells for $399.”

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2821/youjustgotpwned.jpg

:ROTF:

what you just said is that a fairly cheap nvidia card beats a new ATi card at something the ATi card cannot do no matter what because nvidia monopolized that feature.
09-12-2009, 02:42 AM
zerazax

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

what you just said is that a fairly cheap nvidia card beats a new ATi card at something the ATi card cannot do no matter what because nvidia monopolized that feature.

He was being sarcastic, in other words making fun at the Nvidia statement
09-12-2009, 03:00 AM
Jamesrt2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

what you just said is that a fairly cheap nvidia card beats a new ATi card at something the ATi card cannot do no matter what because nvidia monopolized that feature.

he was just taking the piss out of nvidia so chill :cool:
09-12-2009, 03:13 AM
Hornet331

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindbox

You do realise it is not only for gamers? Those who likes to view stock graphs, go ahead and buy nvidia with their physx, yay.

Yes, go ahead and choose PhysX. I'm pretty sure a lot of games will play with 3 monitors smoothly too. They've just demo'ed it.

*cough* those who don't game already had sophisticated multimonitor solutions for years, also called matrox :yepp:

They have specialized products for finance and medical imaging for ages, ati can only dream about entering into those markets. :p:
09-12-2009, 03:23 AM
jmke

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

Have you even seen the 5870 Crysis benchmark @1920x1200 4xAA 16xAF?

it gets ~40% more fps than the GTX 295, and Crysis prefers nvidia cards!

:rofl: you're basing your claims on made up numbers on the GTX 295 part; the benchmark result was only for the HD 5870, DX10 Very High, 43fps avg.

no mention on what map was used, what benchmark.
the GTX 295 result you might have seen in a chart was not done with the same benchmark, or the same system, nowhere related. apples vs oranges
09-12-2009, 03:24 AM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by iTravis

Nvidia said in a statement, “The gaming world has moved to dynamic realism, which depicts actual physical movement more realistically than ever before. For example, the No. 1 PC game coming out next week is ‘Batman: Arkham Assyum,’ which takes advantage of graphics plus physics to give it extraordinary realism. Because we support GPU-accelerated physics, our $129 card that’s shipping today is faster than their new RV870 (code name for new AMD chips) that sells for $399.”

You're kidding right?

Batman AA is ONE game m8, and Nvidia has heavily modified the game to run better on their cards.

How the 5870 does in Modern Warfare 2, Crysis 2, Assasin's Creed 2, the new Stalker title, Dirt 2 etc etc will decide if its worth $399.

Perkam
09-12-2009, 03:45 AM
iTravis

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowdog

Ha ha.....from here; http://venturebeat.com/2009/09/10/am...uter-displays/

Wow, nVidia realy think physX is the ants pants.

Acer, Dell, HP, MSI and Toshiba are creating computers using AMD’s latest graphics chips. In response, Nvidia said in a statement, “The gaming world has moved to dynamic realism, which depicts actual physical movement more realistically than ever before. For example, the No. 1 PC game coming out next week is ‘Batman: Arkham Assyum,’ which takes advantage of graphics plus physics to give it extraordinary realism. Because we support GPU-accelerated physics, our $129 card that’s shipping today is faster than their new RV870 (code name for new AMD chips) that sells for $399.”

It all started from this statement and I have to put a flame suit on. :lol:
Back to the topic, is the release date official? We should have some pre-order by now.
09-12-2009, 04:18 AM
labs23

Quote:

Originally Posted by iTravis

It all started from this statement and I have to put a flame suit on. :lol:
Back to the topic, is the release date official? We should have some pre-order by now.

It is official in my place, at least. If I have the money I could've pre-ordered one 5870 by now.:rolleyes:
In fact a distro here was starting to accept pre-orders since Sept. 8, yeah 2 days before the launch date.:D

I'm from Philippines BTW.
09-12-2009, 04:22 AM
FischOderAal

Quote:

Originally Posted by labs23

It is official in my place, at least. If I have the money I could've pre-ordered one 5870 by now.:rolleyes:
In fact a distro here was starting to accept pre-orders since Sept. 8, yeah 2 days before the launch date.:D

I'm from Philippines BTW.

They are not listed in Geizhals.at/de yet :(
09-12-2009, 04:33 AM
w0mbat

Quote:

Originally Posted by FischOderAal

They are not listed in Geizhals.at/de yet :(

http://www.schottenland.de/preisverg...Radeon-HD-5870
09-12-2009, 04:43 AM
FischOderAal

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0mbat

http://www.schottenland.de/preisverg...Radeon-HD-5870

Danke :)
09-12-2009, 04:46 AM
bowman

Any rumored Euro prices? If it's really gonna cost $450 (as in, not €450, but the dollar price in euros) then I'm in.

But it probably won't, like everything else.:mad:
09-12-2009, 04:48 AM
Piotrsama

Quote:

Originally Posted by LockBreaker

You see, both my HD4890's died this week. Dunno why, they just passed away.

That's very strange, 2 cards in a week?
Don't you think that maybe the PSU is to blame?
09-12-2009, 04:51 AM
Hornet331

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowman

Any rumored Euro prices? If it's really gonna cost $450 (as in, not €450, but the dollar price in euros) then I'm in.

But it probably won't, like everything else.:mad:

Euro prices are usually 1:1 :p:
09-12-2009, 04:53 AM
flopper

Nvidia will re-name and re-badge the current 280 series as the new fresh 300 series.
Worked before.
;)
after all, the public and buyers dont care, rite?

Looking forward NDA and cards to buy from ati.
09-12-2009, 05:01 AM
Oberon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hornet331

*cough* those who don't game already had sophisticated multimonitor solutions for years, also called matrox :yepp:

They have specialized products for finance and medical imaging for ages, ati can only dream about entering into those markets. :p:

The TripleHead2Go only supports up to three monitors. AMD doubles that number (and more if you use more than one card) and enables you to arrange those monitors in many difference configurations than would be possible with a Matrox solution since windows should be none the wiser as to the number or abilities of the monitors being used.
09-12-2009, 05:09 AM
Heinz68

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowdog

Ha ha.....from here; http://venturebeat.com/2009/09/10/am...uter-displays/

Wow, nVidia realy think physX is the ants pants.

Acer, Dell, HP, MSI and Toshiba are creating computers using AMD’s latest graphics chips. In response, Nvidia said in a statement, “The gaming world has moved to dynamic realism, which depicts actual physical movement more realistically than ever before. For example, the No. 1 PC game coming out next week is ‘Batman: Arkham Assyum,’ which takes advantage of graphics plus physics to give it extraordinary realism. Because we support GPU-accelerated physics, our $129 card that’s shipping today is faster than their new RV870 (code name for new AMD chips) that sells for $399.”

That's great. I better sell my HD 4870 x2 fast. Anybody knows which one is the nVidia $129,- card I should buy?
09-12-2009, 05:11 AM
Bojamijams

matrox? haha.. their 3d acceleration is equivalent to onboard graphics
09-12-2009, 06:00 AM
gamervivek

Quote:

Originally Posted by flopper

Nvidia will re-name and re-badge the current 280 series as the new fresh 300 series.
Worked before.
;)
after all, the public and buyers dont care, rite?

Looking forward NDA and cards to buy from ati.

no no they have Physx and batman yumass game what's the point in laboring when your lower end cards are beating the crap out of the competition's high end.:rofl:

Quote:

Acer, Dell, HP, MSI and Toshiba are creating computers using AMD’s latest graphics chips. In response, Nvidia said in a statement, “The gaming world has moved to dynamic realism, which depicts actual physical movement more realistically than ever before. For example, the No. 1 PC game coming out next week is ‘Batman: Arkham Assyum,’ which takes advantage of graphics plus physics to give it extraordinary realism. Because we support GPU-accelerated physics, our $129 card that’s shipping today is faster than their new RV870 (code name for new AMD chips) that sells for $399.”
09-12-2009, 06:26 AM
SubZero.it

Any preorder for europe/italy?
09-12-2009, 06:28 AM
Jowy Atreides

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamervivek

no no they have Physx and batman yumass game what's the point in laboring when your lower end cards are beating the crap out of the competition's high end.:rofl:

Nvidia are saying their low end is faster than the 2.7Tflop MONSTER KILL! GOD LIKE! L-L-UDICROUS KILL..

Yeah, I'm sure..... :ROTF:
09-12-2009, 06:56 AM
ajaidev

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides

Nvidia are saying their low end is faster than the 2.7Tflop MONSTER KILL! GOD LIKE! L-L-UDICROUS KILL..

Yeah, I'm sure..... :ROTF:

You dont understand, with a Nvidia card you can play it sure the game will be sluggish but when you kill a guy and his head falls to the ground it will bounce like it would if it was real where as in ATi's cases you can probable play the game maxed out but the head will not fall like it would in reality... :rofl:

So there you go on one hand you have perfection be it at less than playable fps but on other hand you have fast paced action with bullets/things flying here and there but no realistic head falling :shrug:
09-12-2009, 06:59 AM
bowman

If the game has PhysX. It seems NVIDIA has almost run out of fingers to count those games on with the release of the new Batman game. :rofl:

I suppose they fail to notice the DX11+OpenCL train coming, and that they are tied to the tracks.
09-12-2009, 07:01 AM
OBR

Batman Game is totally boring crap ..., who cares about PhysX there ...?
09-12-2009, 07:04 AM
AKM

Batman Arkham Asylum is a good game but you can enjoy it just the same without PhysX IMO.
09-12-2009, 07:06 AM
Gambit_2K

Quote:

Originally Posted by OBR

Batman Game is totally boring crap ..., who cares about PhysX there ...?

The Batman game is totally brilliant, it's the best superhero game ever. And superhero games are huge even if they suck (when it comes to sales). That's why they keep releasing them despite bad reviews. So the game is a big selling point for nVidia. Ati only seem to pick the crap games. And that's coming from me who's a huge Ati/AMD fan.
09-12-2009, 07:48 AM
Sh1tyMcGee

Honestly nvidia is being beaten, if they dont come with the GTX 380 soon, ATI is going to steal ALOT, i mean ALOT of customers, 5870 should be good for a while to come, im sure the performance difference will be very much like the 4890 vs gtx 285, and price difference should be around $100 when the gtx launches, cmon nvidia, time to step it up, were they sleeping this whole year? :down:
09-12-2009, 07:56 AM
RaZz!

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKM

Batman Arkham Asylum is a good game but you can enjoy it just the same without PhysX IMO.

idd. played the demo (which is really good and makes me want to play more) without physx and i didn't have the feeling i was missing something at all.
09-12-2009, 07:59 AM
jaredpace

Quick, skim $11 mil off the top, before its time to issue Evga bucks to everyone....

http://www.gurufocus.com/news.php?id=69204

http://www.overclock.net/customavata...ar65891_14.gif - "Justice will be served."
09-12-2009, 08:01 AM
Muunsyr

Quote:

Originally Posted by tajoh111

I don't think that many people in a gaming environment(not work as I mentioned earlier), have multimonitor set up. Too much space, too much money. (how alive is the flight sim market today) and no real impact on gaming experience.

More people use multimonitors for gaming than overclock, surely you jest. If what you said is true, than companies like thermalright would have gone bankrupt a long time ago.

Not taking a performance hit, now your just talking out of your ass. More pixels... ....forget about it, you should know this already.

Most card can do dual monitors now(especially the cards that have the power to push this resolution), its the triple monitor audience that eyefiniti matters and this market is alot alot alot smaller than the overclocking market.

The 5870 was running 80 fps playing WOW with 6 30" monitors with max details. Any other game with max details is going to be unplayable as WOW is a crazy old game.

I am a uni-student, with low income. I do have two 24" monitors (Dell 2408's, PVA panels, not the horrible TN stuff) which I bought at the beginning of the year. I love them. They were totally worth it. By my income, they cost an arm and a leg. And yet, I am seriously tempted to go and spend what tax return I get on a 5870 and a third monitor. Between work and uni I don't have much time left for gaming, and I am fighting an internal battle between sensible expenditure and desire for a third monitor. I had originally considered a third screen, but running a second graphics card felt too messy. What am I trying to say? I am almost the exact opposite of the lottery winners with too much time on their hands, and yet I am still considering getting three screens.

Secondly, please remember that it is very easy to lose sight of the bigger picture when everyone here is familiar with overclocking. I am employed by a city based retail computer store. We get a lot of customers asking about overclocking, and a few of them giving it a try - but this is nothing compared to the number of people we sell two monitors to. And several of whom have decided that they would prefer two cheaper, TN monitors over one better one. Many of these people aren't gamers, or are very casual ones, most don't seem to care about the better quality panels (I would say they don't know what they are missing out on, but my boss wasn't even convinced after I showed him the difference - said he couldn't see it). Many of these multi-monitor customers do some trading, although some have just decided that monitors are cheap enough, and graphics cards just about all come with dual outputs, so why not? Given three outputs, and even cheaper, larger displays (because that is where it is heading) I can see Eyefinity working and being popular. After all, who doesn't want THREE monitors! THREE! Totally awesome. And even non geeks get how cool that is.
09-12-2009, 08:01 AM
Tim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee

Honestly nvidia is being beaten, if they dont come with the GTX 380 soon, ATI is going to steal ALOT, i mean ALOT of customers, 5870 should be good for a while to come, im sure the performance difference will be very much like the 4890 vs gtx 285, and price difference should be around $100 when the gtx launches, cmon nvidia, time to step it up, were they sleeping this whole year? :down:

You only need to buy one of the high end cards once every three years, only a fool wouldn't wait to see nVidia's offering. It's not like we need all that power right away do we.

Yes nVidia needs something this year, and it will have to be a fast card, significantly faster if it's going to be ~$500, but it doesn't hurt to wait and see.

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