Is the new BIOS a BETA one or what? All I'm seeing is F3(Insert letter here) instead of F(Insert number here). And is it good? Does it allow better overclocking? Because I thought F3L was horrible and I've almost given up on this board.
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Is the new BIOS a BETA one or what? All I'm seeing is F3(Insert letter here) instead of F(Insert number here). And is it good? Does it allow better overclocking? Because I thought F3L was horrible and I've almost given up on this board.
[QUOTE=bro20000;3809933]Thank God Gigabyte came out with a new bios that enables 4cores and tweaks memory!
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1st Impressions are its alot better than F3B in the memory department and seems alot faster![/QUOTE]
Now what you need to do is........compare clocks speeds and results ;)
If they backed off the MRL to satisfy you guys that expect high ram clocks well clock for clock performance will be different.
Its probably F3L though with the unlock feature added since it appears F3L has been removed.
Yh i thought it could be F3L with added support for the 4th core but looking at the added memory bios setting i think it a all new bios!
I tried this new BIOS and I see no improvement at all. Still can't boot into Windows at 4Ghz no matter what kind of voltages I'm using, and it never worked.
Awesome news...too bad I found out 20 mins before going to work. :shocked:
I can't wait to go home...and I thought I was going to just rest and stay away from technology tonight...yeah right! :rofl:
I woke up this morning and saw there was over 500 replies in this thread and I sad myself it has to be a new bios. And it is true, well I got all excited when I saw the ACC option. But, the ACC function does not seem to work or unlock the fourth core on my system. I am not sure why, but It doesnt seem to unlock the fourth core, I will keep trying and update if I get it working. :(
If anybody unclocks the fourth core, please let us know how you did it.
Well, you can just about forget 4GHz with an X64 OS and this CPU, unless you have a big LN2 tank out back. ;) However, I am surprised about Win7 32bit not clocking on up as it actually clocks easier than Vista. Most of the 955s I have here are doing 4.2~4.3 with good cooling (strong air, decent water) on the 32-bit operating systems with 1.5V~1.55V.
To Unlock my 4th core i put acc to auto and acc firmwire to hybird! works a charm! Saves buying a 955x4!
OK got it working!!! now I can enjoy the fourth core with a nice bios. If you are trying to unlock the fourth core, there is a new option on ACC called "ACC Firmware" and you need to set that option to Hybrid in order to unlock the fourth core. I have just set my bios to my old clock setting and It seems to work nice, I am going to try some tweaking later to see if I can get better results. Here is a screen shot, Cheers :up:
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/p...eto/th_F3K.jpg
Unlocked 4th core with F3K, tried to start a game and got loud musk ox farts and insects screaming-continuously. Worse than F3b.
Going back to 3 cores.
You must have a bad 4th core!
You guys are killing me! Ok, 4 long hours to go......
Was playing with the board this weekend.. pretty sweet board. having trouble getting NB over 4Ghz. Seems like something is differnet in the "Auto" / "Default" settings versus the other AM3 mobo I have been playing with. MSI and other board got 4.3Ghz NB w/o a problem.
Maybe the new F3K will help out with the 4Ghz NB issue I am having. If not.. then it is time to fiddle w/ the BIOS :P
- Ton
Check you Soundcard Drivers under Vista. Its a Know problem they can become unstable with XF-I And or when using Audigy.
Take oout the Card and try using Onboard sound .
If the Onboard sound works normal but the XF-I dosnt ,, Youll need to find a better XF-I driver driver.
This goes for PCI and PCI-E based cards and Vista 32bit/64bit.
Ive had the very same problem sometimes even with the M3A79-T deluxe.. Something to do with creative driver and ATI chip sets.
Just for reference my x-fi works fine. I am currently using those modded drivers that I cant recall the guy who modded them right now.
I used to run the Creative drives and had no issues either but maybe Ive been lucky.
The only time I get weird sound is trying to use WASAPI in Sonar 8.
NB is IMC, advanced ram tuning is your friend.......I have np clocking nb on any chips ;) FYI gigabyte undervolts NB, MSi if you used the read points with a DMM overvolts......so with msi it appears you need less volts in bios to do more, and with the gigabyte it appears you need more volts in bios.....
Have had NB up to 4700 on f3L.....so its not bios ;)
How'd you like that 34K+ 2x 4890 titon :D
4700! Jesus chew. :eek:
Nice chew i stuggle to get 3000NB!
Hey Chew.
yeah.. I didn't have time to go in depth into the ram timinmg.. just did the typical changes. I will play with the adv ram timing tonight to see if I can get 4+ Ghz on the NB.
Just to confirm.. keeping all other things constants.. you just tweaked the adv ram timing, and were able to gain more Mhz on the NB?
Yeah.. I saw yoru benching last week. You guys have some sick chips. I have played with about (4) 955 chips.. and have not had any that were 6Ghz 3D06 Stable :( I think I had 3DM05 @ 5.8 stable.
Working on maximizing the other components right now, like mem & video cards. I figure the a Good 955 will show up sooner or later :P
- Ton
Yah well thats ln2 not air or water guys....
I have almost reached the max I can do with this board.....
One last thing to tackle with 4870 x2's then gigabyte needs to get a quadfire board out so I can do some real damage with 4890's......
As it stands my only options for 3 and 4 card benching is asus and MSI.
Yah you need to tune ram perfect titon ;)
You probably already have a 6 gig 3d chip......but your not going to get it to 6 gig till you make that IMC happy ;)
My 6.1 3d retail chip unfortunately has a weak NB......my other chips have strong NB and weak cores......Its a tradeoff, most likely not going to get both.
i heard ,this board is not good as MA790FXT for DDR2 for Air overclocking, its true? And why?
Chew..
Very intresting on what you wrote there.. let me see if I got this right. To get 6Ghz 3D chip, i need to make IMC Happy.
IMC = NB, So "Happy" IMC = "High" NB.. is that right?
Or a Happy IMC not neccesarily "High" NB?
You also mentioned to get High NB on the GB, I need to tweak Adv Ram Timing.
So does that mean 6Ghz 3D = Happy IMC = Good Adv Ram Timing?
Is that right?
Looks like I am going to be using a lot of LN2 tonight :P
- Ton
No need to waste LN2 tune, tune your ram on phase......
Once the ram is 100% stable lets say 32m stable it will pass all benches.......
A side effect is the cpu will clock higher and the NB will as well requiring less volts to get there.......
Flanker.......I'm guessing people were going by my use of the ddr II board in my review.......but what they don't realize is that was what was on the bench at the time.......
I did not have time to actually use the ddr 3 board again for 955 air results which sort of bothered me......alot of time was spent on those results and If I had had the time I would rather have done them on the ddr III board with the retail bios versus the ddr II and a beta.....
I only used a beta for the air results on ddr II because no bios retail worked properly with the 955's.........I will refrain from using beta's in future reviews but at the time I was pressed for time so I had no choice....
If the ddr II was better you should ask yourself this however......Why am I using the ddr III to crack Wr's ;)
I will say this however......the ddr II has a few better implementations than the ddr III board.......SB is not linked to Htt on the ddr II board.......and the voltage increments for ram are fine adjustments......From what I have been told they can not change this on the ddr III board........hopefully they will implement these changes on future ddr III boards......
Hmm..
Ok.. i haven't been using SuperPi. I have mainly been using wPrime to test stability of Cpu and RAM.
Right now I can pass wprime 1024 w/ Ram at 6-5-5-15 @ 850mhz, running like 5.3Ghz, NB @ 3.6. I even passed 3DMark06 at the same settings.
I figure my ram is "Happy". But I have not yieled any higher NB or CPU Mhz.
I will see if I can do the adv timing to get faster NB speed. Once I figure that out, maybe the CPU Speed will come along next.
Ton
Chew.. I don't typically wander down that dark alley. I will give it a shot tonight :) Lets see what I come out with later. Who knows.. maybe a 4Ghz + NB or 6ghz 3D06 will be seen :) Thanks.
Ton
F3k bios on Gigabytes web site
4 core goodness with more features.
http://3800z24.info/Phenom/x3_720/F3k-4core.jpg
im testing f3k now:yepp:
will do chew* on f3k
and this is some quick test with cheap supertalents
i wont waste time with stock it works:ROTF:
the sticker and box dont state voltage so i left it on normal which is 1.6 on the ud5p and check how far i could get
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/5015/p5010040.jpg
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/3299/d9reviewcas9.png
this is with volts @ 1.75
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/577...iewcas9819.png
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9...iewcas9832.png
And some cas 6 tesing
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/177...iewcas9666.png
so for under 60 bucks you can find some decent memory to make a very respectable system
Have been thinking of getting some new 4gb ram for this board can anyone recommend any that oc's well!
I like this for the price:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227381
It runs at 1600 6-6-6-18 using only 1.65 so you have some headroom if you want to push them higher, with some active cooling imho.
There is an AMD kit supposed to be coming out too.
Thanx i will have to see if i can get them in the uk!
I got my phenom today (x3 720 0906FPMW) and tried to fire up my sys. I wasnt able to get a screen, c7 / c5 error. Seems that my ram (crucial ballistix 2000MHz CL9 Kit with D9GTS or D9GTR) doesnt work. have to get new ram now:(
Sorry to read that...do you have a link to that RAM?
Did you contact them?
I used the Ballistix Tracer DDR3 with this board and it worked fine (except that one stick died but thats another story), so I am surprised you are having issues with their RAM.
I hope someone has some information to offer some advice here.
Not yet,
i will test the cpu in another mobo to be sure. And then im gonna test in the next days HCF0 sticks hopefully. Will report:)
Chew, are you familiar with the Ram I am using?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227381
If so, do you think I can safely push them to 1333 cas 5 or maybe I should try using some active cooling on them?
What is a safe temp for this type of Ram anyway?
Thanks!
I have that set, cas 5 1333 not likely to happen.....I have them on the MSI because that board adheres to jedec and these apparently run better undervolted lower voltage than the gigabyte allows ( sensitive to heat ).....Check out the MSI thread for clocks I have a achieved with them.....6-6-6 1333 is cake as well as 7-7-7 1600.......I have had them well over 1400 6-6-6 and 1650 7-7-7...
The only sticks I know that will pull 5-5-5 are either a very very good set of high volt D9 GTR ( which I personally hate ) or elpidas hypers ( which I am in the process of aquiring ) that can do it at far more reasonable voltage...
This F3k bios fixed cold boot with 4th core enabled also. Seem much more stable. it required less voltage for OCCT stabilty test. So far so good.
Am well impressed with F3K bios it seems to have speeded my system up alot compared to the F3B Bios with using the 4th core!
Currently at 3.5Mhz 1550Mhz 6-6-6-18-20 just testing doing 32mb superpi!
here is my 32M Pi run @ 3.8ghzx4_2200NB 6.6.6 21 @ 1333 with F3k I am going to try 3.9 then 4.0 (edit, I had 3.2 labeled originally LOL)
http://3800z24.info/Phenom/x3_720/3.8x4-32mPi.jpg
I am testing it too and I like it so far.
Chew, yeah I got mine at 6-6-6 1300 stock voltage with no problem and hitting 1600 is no problem either...a shame they cant hit cas 5 but thanks for the heads up.
BTW, the only thing I dont like about this Bios is that I need to do a Clear CMOS more often than with the previous one when pushing my settings..oh well.
Well, here is my 3.9ghz 2800NB and 1333 6.6.6 21 32M run. Could be better...
This Bios has impressed me so far. No cold boot, easy to over clock etc.
http://3800z24.info/Phenom/x3_720/3....00NB-32mPi.jpg
Do you mind sharing your bios settings...I want to give it a shot.
Sure, give me a few, I have to watch a show with the wife real fast...she is staring at me as I type this. Here is my 32M 3.9-1600MEM(7.7.7 23)-2800NB run
http://3800z24.info/Phenom/x3_720/3....1600-32mPi.jpg
Sweet I will be waiting.
Thanks, I have more tweaking I could do, been in a bit of a rush tonight with kids and wife.... I will do a CPU score run as soon as I get a sec. I am using the kingston Hyper-X 1800 8.8.8 24 1.9v sticks 4x1GB.
Here is the setting for both 1333 & 1600. Both are the 3.9ghz x4 settings.
Chew* might be able to point out some settings that could be finessed
1333
http://3800z24.info/Phenom/x3_720/1333.JPG
http://3800z24.info/Phenom/x3_720/1333-detail.JPG
1600
http://3800z24.info/Phenom/x3_720/1600.JPG
http://3800z24.info/Phenom/x3_720/1600-detail.JPG
Sweet I was beginning to think you were watching the Lord of the Rings trilogy! :rofl:
Thanks bro! :up:
Try 1600 7-7-7-24-28 or 30 and 1333 6-6-6-24-28
Thanks for the input Chew* I am not an expert yet on RAM timings. I thought you might have some ideas.
Should I try to lower the Row Cycle time on my 1600 setting to 28? I never went below 31.
That is what helps me keep watching it with her. usually (but not always) there is some nice eye candy on there;)
those 2 back timings tend to agree with the platform better for everyday use.
Oops, I seem to have cut that off...I actually had it .025 less on the 1600 ram setting. I didn't really need .175 for the other either. That was just a safe bet since I was in a hurry. So 1.50v CPU was fine. Might vary depending on your chip tho. I seem to need more v's on my NB then some.
Chew, I might get this wrong but are you saying that, keeping bank cycle at 28 or 30 is better for everyday stable clock setting regardless of latency and cyle timings?
yep 28 better for 1333, 1600 depends on ram but 28 or 30 is a good setting.....lose nothing performance wise gain a little stability and possibly higher clocks, not by much but a little, this is for 24/7 use of course.....
Feel free to expreiment when benching.
Well, something is wrong now because I cant get this Bios to be stable at the exact same settings I was using with F3B (the other one that unlocks the 4th core).
If I try to run Prime95 when I set affinity to all cores, its an automatic BSOD.
I am going to redownload and flash again.
If that doesn't work I will try doing each thing one by one once again.
Sorry to hear that mate! What you at the minute clockwise!
Nothing really. My system was stable at 3.7 on XP and 3.6 on Vista 64 and that was OCCT and Prime95 stable.
Now I wasnt able to get 3.6 on XP and it wasnt even a failed after a few minutes error....Prime95 failed immediately after I set the affinity to all cores with a BSOD.
Due to work, I wont be able to do much until later today.
Have just managed to get mine stable today with the new bios at 3.5 1560Mhz 6-6-6-18 in windows 7 x64 Build 7127! How high do u have the nb clock! Have found with this bios the nb doesnt clock has high!
http://www.ukimagehost.com/uploads/f33504a0e1.png
Will try and do a 3.6Mhz run soon! And tighter memory timing!
Looking good there!
Yeah I am going to work on it tonight but will test the NB first as you mentioned.
I found with this bios i had to start allover again in ocing! My past tests with F3B wouldnt work at all! One good thing is thou my cpu needs less voltage for 3.6Mhz!
Yes, otherwise I only got 3 cores. BTW, doing that played a number on my Vista 64 install..I had to validate it again...weird.
My Win 7 loads had to go through the whole New hardware installed thing, but that was it. Even tho both were used with four cores prior. On your previous post, I don't know the method used when you flashed, but I always flashed non overclocked and do a complete CLR of the bios. I setup all settings again and save my OC Prolfiles. If you did this, then I don't know what is going on for sure. I do know mine is much more stable.
Yeah I take all the safe measures of loading safe settings, then flashing, then clearing CMOS and loading safe again,....just to make sure.
Who knows whats going on...I will try it again.
A few questions guys:
**First, is there a good temperature range that I should look for to get the most out of my RAM? I am trying to find out if I should use some active cooling.
**Second, when running prime95 Blend I noticed that Kernel memory shows:
Total 90036
Paged 47308
Nonpaged 42720
Whats the point of testing the paging file?
**Third, I noticed that apparently under XP SP3 every program that is multi processor compatible is been set to just CORE 0. I happened to prime, 3dmark06, pcmark05, pov3.7 , etc.
I need to manually set affinity to all cores and then it stays like that from that point on.
Do I need an AMD driver or something?
I found this http://support.amd.com/us/Pages/dyna...42f&ItemID=173 updated on March 2009.
Regards
You guys, board is running fine now. After getting the HCF0, it booted up fine. Flashed the F3K bios and now the crucial d9gtr/s are working flawlessly. :cool:
Glad to hear that mate! What speed are you running them D9gtr/s at and timing!
1st
Not sure, how warm is your ram getting?
2nd
Pay no attention to the Page usage. Just make sure your available ram (physical) around 100MB, then you know it is loaded.
3rd
The one core thing is strange. I the AMD CPU driver is just for cool-n-quiet under XP. You could uninstall the CPU cores and reboot.
I havent been able to do much testing due to a family loss but I decided to try to keep my mind doing something like this to avoid feeling more depressed.
BTW, I am now stable running 3.7Ghz NB2600 and Ram 1333 6-6-6 so I am back in good shape.
Sorry to hear about the loss,
On the PC side, gald you are it figured out. Last night I about killed my CPU. I was trying to run some 3dmark06 and the system shut down. So I tweaked and then tried again. shut down again. I went lower frequency and the system was no longer booting into windowa not even xp. It took me a little bit to realize my Rad was on fire. My pump quit running and the system was hooter then crap. The CPU block was scorching hot. I found my plug was loose. I can't bench at 3.9ghz anymore. not even in XP. ANd 2800NB is out of the question. I was only able to get 2400NB max 100% stable with 3.6ghz 1.45v CPU. I have 2 720BE's so no worry.
Ouch, sorry to hear that too....good that you have more though. I got this lonely one so I can't get too crazy. :-)
BTW, my RAM according to a probe I tried to sandwich between the heatsink and memory gets to about 45C when running Prime95 with room temp at about 75F.
Hehee and i thought the M3A79-t only did that. Aint it a pain.
Somehow the Os gets tricked into too many cpu changes i guesse, then make you revalidate.
do a back up on another HD if ya have a spare. Before you swap Bios . Then you can restore your drive after and revalidate with new x4cores.
Also switching between two and three cores has done this to me as well, even if your not using 4xcore Bioses.
:sofa: Can you guys help me out? New to AMD, and I have just installed this board and the BE 955. I've got it water cooled, and am just wanting to verify temps. At first, I was seeing the CPU at 26-27 degrees C - then realized the CPU was running at 1.6 GHz (Vcore at .98). Flashed the BIOS to F3K, and now at 3.6 GHz, Vcore 1.35. Haven't tweaked any other settings.
CPU temps running at 32-33 at idle, and highest I've seen is 41 after running OCCT for an hour. Similar temps for PRIME 95. Ambient is 23. My question is, am I actually loading all 4 cores (it looks like it, but the temps I was seeing on OCCT were so close for all 4 cores, it made me wonder - although I'm comparing to an i7 920 where the cores vary by as much as 5-6 degrees). Running Prime95 now (back at 3.2GHz), and it's showing testing for all four cores ... temps at 39 after 30 minutes ...
I've been googling temp info for the 955, but finding stuff that's all over the map. I'd be delighted if my CPU is running in the low 40s at 3.6 GHz, but I am just a tad skeptical. The temp readings seem right, given the "touch test" to the loop - which is why I want to make sure I'm truly loading it at 100%.
Thanks, and apologies for a basic question in this advanced thread!
Hey Shazza,, Nice what are you using:D(SINGLE two row TRIPPLE) or a (GOOD Two Row DOUBLE RAD).
your Ambiant @ 23c around 1.35-1.4v @ 3.6ghz clock, good to go. Only differance with 955 and 940 series is the Amount of Volts used is lower for the Same clocks.
The temps you are seeing are in the normal zone ,, Looks to me you are maybe running a Single DOUBLE or Thin Tripple set up..
I have my 720BE running 1.55volts with 20c idle @19c Ambiant@ 3.95mhz and 35-36c fully Loaded Three cores.
Im running two tripples :D
In all, It its a whole new ball game between I7 and PhenomII when it comes to volts and temps.
Thanks for the confirmation, gOtVoltage. My loop is MCP355+XSPC Res Top > Magicool Extreme 240 Rad > CPU (955) > GPU (4870X2) > Magicool Extreme 240 > back to pump. Both rads with Low Speed Yates. Had limitations on which components I could use, so was going for adequate, if not great, cooling. I can live fine with these temps. I also confirmed with Everest, so guess I'll stop worrying. For reference, my i7 920 is in its own PA120.3 loop - idle at 35, load at 55 @ Vcore 1.26, 3.6GHz. So, my adventure into AMD is a nice experience, especially because this will be used for a HTPC.
Nice ,, I knew you had some nice cooling . I saw one of your build/thread other day . Great work and your Pictures...wow...
Well need to finish up swapping my M3A79-T to the UD4p.
Going to Adventure my720 again with 4cores. The ASUS cant tweak them when unlocked unless its a M4series Mobo all the M3A's dont do good at it.
Glad you like you AMD. These are fun systems and youll soon find out , They can be tweaked 101ways to the Moon.