I'd rather they tried 3 channel of DDR2:up: Hell, I can't wait to see what just two will do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anemone
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I'd rather they tried 3 channel of DDR2:up: Hell, I can't wait to see what just two will do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anemone
BTW, it seems like the article missed a few screenshots or that the Author has updated the original post with more benchmarks.
You can see the original thread here:
http://bbs.chiphell.com/viewthread.p...a=page%3D1
WinRar
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6376/nehaui7.th.jpg
Sandra Proccessor Multi-Media
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4119/neh2au4.th.jpg
Sandra Multi-Core Efficiency
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9103/neh3ni4.th.jpg
:eek2:
This benchmark does not test processor unit computational performance, i.e. how fast the cores of the processors are; it tests how fast is the connection between them only.
All very impressive, while the last one looks particularly good. IMC is looking great despite all the reported bugs etc..
The winrar result is particularly impressive. The winrar internal benchmark is has always been sensitive to BW ... for comparision, a 2.6 GHz phenom scores ~1800 http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardwar...261_3756681__5
Thats very very impressive :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Face
i remember reading on fudzilla that it had to do with the trace length for the memory. Something along the lines of if there is extra delay in one of the channels, you have a rather large problemQuote:
Originally Posted by mstp2009
Considering one that already got a Nehalem CPU just says its a new BIOS to run 3 trichannel....then what you think :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuji
This article shows how much a K10 cpu benefits from increased bandwidth, i know nehalem is another arch, but still an interesting readQuote:
Originally Posted by JumpingJack
http://www.digit-life.com/articles3/...r2-533-p1.html
Why anobody has´nt shown us Sandra or Everest memory bandwidth tests?
-TFR- was Gothr3K..:rolleyes:
On the rest of this I'm afraid we'll just have to wait to see what Nehalem does with a board with working trichannel memory..
There's an old line:
The proof of the pudding is in the eating.. and you don't judge the pudding until it's totally cooked.;)
Mwwahahhaha some people can't help themselves.
I sent him this and putting it here so there is a datestamped public record of it:Quote:
Originally Posted by MomijiTMO
Niels;
This multiple account crap is going to stop.
I will be very frank with you.
If you continue I will take two measures.
First I will contact your ISP as I have that info and do whatever is necessary to have your account pulled for harassing an internet web site(XS)
Second I will contact a member here who works for Interpol and have him do what he can to make your life interesting.
As before, the choice is yours but you've now turned a 7 day ban into a personal thing.
If you want a game out of this, please just continue pushing.
I have the time and the contacts to play this out.
It's all up to you.
indeed, but this preliminary results are already good. So i doubt we can see anything worse, unless Intel screws something big up. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
:D its like dipping ur finger into the ooh soo sweet mixture :slobber: :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
thats it - who mentioned food - i'm hungry now! :mad: :rofl:
Movieman started it! Ah-ha! :slapass: :p: :D
now look what u did! :p: :up:
I agree totally.. Can't wait..Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Just some observations;
The only 45nm chips I have are in the dual socket SuperMicro board here.
E5450 quadcores at 3404mhz(3000/12mb/1333 stock)(Harpertown's)
I do DC work with the systems here.
2-8 core clovertown's at 3000, the 8 core Harpertown and a Q6600 at 3600
In WCG the 4 core Q6600 does app 15,000 points a day
The 8 core clovers do app 25-26,000 a day
The Harpertown is averaging app 34,000 points a day
Lets assume there's a 5-10% improvement with Nehalem in single threaded apps and a 30% in apps that can take advantage of this new HT.
Lets also assume that Nehalem will be able to reach at least 3400 on air.
An 8 core Nehalem(Gainstown) system will be able to work 16 work units at a time vs the Clover and Harper's 8 at a time and in doing so will bring into use this new HT with it's presumed 30% increase clock for clock.
Now you see why I am so excited about this.
indeed, for myself i also do some boinc crunching (seti, rosetta), but only when my computer is on (~8h a day). Its not much but it still helps, plus doing 8 WU at once compared to 4, will also help my RAC. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
We need to get you over to WCG..:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
You guys should do an IP ban. Works wonders for us. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Looking nice. Kinda gets you thinking about them prices tho :D.
maybe with nehalem, i could spare 3 threads. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Just 3? Where's my ban hammer!:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
IP ban is useless against dynamic IP.Quote:
Originally Posted by mstp2009
True, this is where you have his ISP block OUR IP from his account.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trunks
Be happy you dont contact me at work (ISP). We tend to block nothing unless there is a courtorder :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
But anyway...there would be proxies...
uh noes!!! :( :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
but i think about switching from rosetta to Artificial Intelligence. :)
That's Denmark, different laws where he lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
What it comes down to is that Xs is a privately owned forum and sets it's own rules. People are here as guests and as long as they act within the rules life is wonderfull.
The rules are not that strict but they do exist.
One cardinal rule is that a member can only have one account and if that account is banned because of his actions he doesn't have the right to create another account. Gothr3K created three accounts after his account was banned. This now constitutes hacking legally as it's been explained to me and when made aware and shown facts to back up the claim of hacking, an ISP is legally obligated to remove that persons account.
In the US if a ISP refuses to comply after being shown proof of hacking they can be fined by the FCC and even lose their charter to operate in the state that the incident took place in.
Lots of great ways to do research and help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
I have my own feelings on the value of some vs others but I keep them to myself now.
LMAO, i thought you guys let him back in :ROTF: so he made yet another name, that made my day.
Hehe! Made my night!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingcarcas
http://en.hardspell.com/doc/showcont.asp?news_id=3734
The official Intel price for the 2.66 is $284!!!
That's insane.
Dang, looks nice, was expecting it to be more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuji
However the 2.93 and the 3.2ghz model look severely overpriced to me? Unless the 3.2 got an unlocked multi, wtf??
well that's the way that they've always priced.
As they figure out how to make more Nehalems cheaper (i.e increase yield) and do some resteps, we should see lower prices.
I had expected the 2.66 to be 316$. And 540$ for the 2.93.
But else expected prices. Intel aint doing an "X2" pricing.
:rofl: so refreshing ..... already forgotten what the price was of a p4 EE :confused: which was destroyed in every aspect by any x2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
they sure know how to lower ASP of there york parts when nehalem arrives in the scene. Nice price for the 2,66GHZ version but add another +250$ for your mobo....
Price of 3800X2? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by duploxxx
And 250$? LoL...sorry..no NVidia chipset there buddy. I´m sure you can get one for 150$.
$150 for an x58 board? don't believe we'd be seeing such prices till spring 2009? if ever? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
yeah. the X58 will probably be a higher end board. And lets home Intel doesn't do what it normally does and actually allow some upgrade ability when it comes to motherboards. It would suck to get a x58 board only to have to get a new board in say two years when the next big thing comes out.
It has been reported that nVidia got the QPI license although for non nVidia chipsets, you have to use the nVidia bridge thing. They say that since the chip itself cost $30 that it's doubtful that many people will actually want to use it.
That would be a markup solely for the hell of it. Given the lack of MC and northbridge in the 'northbridge' chip I don't think they'll be much more expensive to manufacture than current boards.
Why would they put an artificially high price on the boards when we can plainly see that they decided to forego doing so on the CPUs? That's just illogical.
I'm still wondering why they don't just price these out of range and sell Yorkies instead, it's not like AMD is going to pull another rabbit out of their hat any time soon the next two years.. Not that I mind of course, this will be sweet! But I think it's curious. :p
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Originally Posted by Shintai
:D check the prices again of the x48 chipset, it's the same high-end range where nehalem will launch
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...24200+-+%24300
More then just 1 unlocked multi, think of it like phenom. Each core, the QPI, "north bridge" (on die), and memory controller all have their own separate multipliers that will be completely tweakable both up and down on the 3.2 EE part. It's possible that voltage to each will also be separate and individually adjustable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neuuubeh
Ye sure, and Bloomsfields are 1999$ CPUs too. And they would need DDR3-2000 memory too, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by duploxxx
What was wrong with the x38?
Yepp and even with a $250 board it ends up being about the same price as 3800+ DC after it had been on the market for almost a year and its most popular $150 motherboard:rolleyes: We're glad Intel is not doing the same thing AMD did.Quote:
Originally Posted by duploxxx
Most of us here trashed Intel out and an Intel Fan coined the term Expensive Edition. I like Extremely Expesive model. Unlike many AMD Fans, folks didn't just accept it as OK. Oh and no one here will complain about you thread crapping because they disagree with you.
:shocked: Then those who overclock can say it is "funner":rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
So even at $300 for the cpu, $250-$300 for the MB, then what for the DDR3-133 memory? 3 sticks at close to $90 each???
You still wind up with a hell of a beast for under $1000.00
Now if those 2666 chips can be OC'd then we really have a winner here.
Now you just had to say this and ruin my day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
Now I have to dig up a grand for that cpu!:shakes:
Ah, thanks for clarification, I'm not really up to date :up:. So this is truly the EE-equivalentQuote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
Tick-tock-tick-tock, would be quite funny to see Intel change their plan in less than 2 cycles or something :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bowman
Do you see an x53 or whatever on the roadmaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Did you see X68?Quote:
Originally Posted by Neuuubeh
http://www.nvidia.com/object/io_1216019719164.html
Nvidia officially announces SLI on the 'Bloomfield platform' as they call it currently..
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/07...ek-40-and-44/1
Possible release date? Early if you ask me.
LOL...Quote:
Originally Posted by bowman
Translation:Quote:
New SLI motherboards will feature the NVIDIA nForceŽ 200 SLI processor, Intel Bloomfield CPUs, and Tylersburg (X58) chipsets. The nForce 200 SLI processor features patented SLI technology for graphics bandwidth management and multi-GPU peer-to-peer communications, both required to optimize graphics performance
Plz to pay, kthxbye!Quote:
New SLI motherboards will feature the NVIDIA nForceŽ 200 SLI PCIe bridge/switch, Intel Bloomfield CPUs, and Tylersburg (X58) chipsets. The nForce 200 SLI bridge/switch features nothing extraordinary for graphics bandwidth management and multi-GPU peer-to-peer communications
i double you LOL :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
I know, it's funny, the rest of the article is even more funny with OEM prebuilt-PC vendors praising SLI with the craziest words..Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
I like the next story!Quote:
Originally Posted by bowman
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/06...t-on-nehalem/1
All of these feature being turned off in the BIOS also might have negative effects on the Processor. The whole page is a good read.Quote:
Intel even dropped an interesting titbit that it was thinking about completely decoupling itself from rated frequencies because of the constant clock changes, however it found customers and retailers were very much against this move. Despite the fact that, internally, the CPU is constantly adjusting its clock speed, from the outside it appears like a fixed frequency due to overall averaging. No doubt this continual variation will surely make our job testing hardware reliably that much more difficult though - it depends on the level of clock changes and the quality of motherboard and power supply.
WOW, in six weeks!
good i hope there are boards without this chip... :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by bowman
whose thread crapping here the intel bunnies that always have to comment on each thing because they were left in the dark for some many years? :welcome:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
at that time maybe a dualcore was expensive indeed, but so was the intel counterpart, the memory was up 4-5 times the current price, gpu was expensive, hd was expensive hence anything was expensive.
hello welcome in 2008, it is known for many years that you always had to pay lots of premium for the best parts even today.... yes even with your oh so beloved intel, check q9450-9650 for just few % more speed, same for nehalem above 2.66 = price x2
Eeew, is there any truth to all of this? Is this what Blauhung have talked about in the past concerning OC? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Don't worry, no one's complaining because your arguments are so weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by duploxxx
At that time AMD was only showing you what they think of you and how much they care about this market, that's nothing to laugh about. It's kind of sad. But they know they have un-questioning love and you prove it. They even showed that again when they bent over backward for Dell.
Yes, for you, hello and wake the hell up! Since AMD is sucking and stinking up the place, Intel could pull an AMD and stick it to us. They're not even showing greed here, even as you try to pretend they are. Of course they have high end models, but Q9300 is faster than the Competion and still has a very sweet price.
Dewd, unlike you, I love my Wallet and nothing 100 green-blooded AMD fans can say, can change that. In about six weeks your heartburn will just get much worse. You'll have to find new things to complain about.
Gentleman,
Please be civil..
Remember, we're all after the same thing hopefully.
Thanks for reading
Yes. Just like anything else in this market, it will be worked out and around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphiel
I try time and time again to NOT post to them the same negative way they post to me. It is kind of sad that being a consumer is seen as "talking out of both sides of your mouth", they wonder why all of the :rofl::rofl: are posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
At least 3 was added to my ignore list last week:up:
That's the way to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
I have one on my ignore list for 2 years now..
My bloodpressure thanks me for it daily..:rofl:
buhhh, ignore list talking. :down: :p:
Is the author of the second article confused?Quote:
Originally Posted by bowman
Week 44 = end of October, not September
Week 40 = end of September/start October
Well, I mightve missed something, but wasnt x68 supposed to show up a lot later than x58? Possibly in a similar fashion as the famed tick-tock cycle (so like 10-12 months)? Judging from what I've seen, if thats true, its nowhere near what x38 and x48 were/are? (apart from rumours, the same architecture..?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
X68 isn't on the roadmap yet.. And I believe that was what his point was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neuuubeh
Blauhung stated that X58 may be slated to last all the way till PCI-E 3.0.
I dont really get his point, but thanks for the correction :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bowman
Yepp, Euro humor is like that. Many more folks are chompin' at the bit for the mainstream stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neuuubeh
The INQ said that it would be during IDF 2008Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
"WHILE INTEL WILL launch Nehalem at the San Francisco Intel Developers Forum in August, the firm has already unveiled a supercharged demo machine which features the chippery along with advanced solid state drives (SSD) and other technical goodies."
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...s-nehalem-demo
which is in august.
It would correspond to around the time frame that they launched their last "tock"
From the limited history that we have of tick/tock,
it would appear that ticks are launched around the January time frame and tock's in the june-july time frames.
Some of us speculated July-August 2008 back in Feb-08 launch, it is still :shrug: for shipping products in larger numbers though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuji
that's true. But being that they plan on launching Westmere in 2010, there wouldn't be that much time difference between that and Nehalem if it took them a few quarters to ramp up Nehalem.
I remember Intel saying that their tick/tock cadence will be unaffected by anything not even a product delay of a previous product. So i think it will be availability from the get go.
The whole point of penryn was to work out any kinks in the 45nm process and help them ramp up high volume 45nm for the launch of Nehalem.
So it would make sense that if the pricing has pretty much been announced that you'd have availability straight up.
That'd mean they're right on schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuji
Penryn @45nm = Tock 2007
Nehalem @45nm = Tick2008
Nehalem @32nm =Tock 2009
New Architecture 32nm WM = Tock 2010 tick
Above @22nm = Tick 2011 tock
yeah but what i was saying is that if they wait until next year for mass availability, then they'd be a bit behind. i don't know, it makes sense to me.
Then again, there's not much to base the tick-tock cadence on as we're only on our second tock.
Sure, if we just wait for something better, we'd never buy a computer. That second Tock takes two years to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuji
Isn't Tick supposed to be new arch and tock the refresh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Conroe = Tick?
Penryn = Tock?
I didn't think so. SO I checked.Quote:
Originally Posted by LuckyNV
http://www.intel.com/technology/tick-tock/index.htm
You're right, must edit that.
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Originally Posted by LuckyNV
So its the other way around, which I find very weird :p Tick being new architecture and tock the refresh does make more sense..Quote:
Originally Posted by intel.com
time to start saving for x58 and nehalem!!! we have CPU pricing, any mobo pricings yet? approximately 350 for cpu, 250 for mobo?
I don't care about Nehalem at all until I see them on test benches with proper boards and bioses. This speculation crap is depressing.
but it can only get better right? i mean its probably subpar right now because of the chipsets and memory, how about when it gets fully tweaked?
Like the line from the movie the Fly:Quote:
Originally Posted by ap4lifetn
'Be afraid, be VERY afraid":p:
been trying to move from this E6600/650i/8800GTS to a q9450/dfi x48/hd4870 but nehalem is telling me to wait just a few more months... it'll put my current rig to shame
Can you even allow yourself to think about that :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Nehalem looks scary, but not a sensible upgrade for anyone.
I see it this way: For the work I do in DC it makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphiel
The lesser elec use, the lesser heat dumped into a room that I have to then remove with AC.. Long term it makes sense..
Seeing the difference right now between Harpertown and Clovertown.
Harper runs 10C cooler with same cooling method and at 3404 vs the clovers 3000.
Clover draws 421w vs the Harpers 305w.
Harper generates a solid 34,000 a day in WCG while clover generates a solid 25-26,000 a day.
Less heat, less electrical, much better performance.
A win-win-win IMO.
sensible upgrades depends on what they have right now, some of us don't have an xtremesystem :(
Sure that's some very serious performance you have there. But I have just one other important question. Can it play Crysis at good frame rates:rofl:j/kQuote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
I agree with 100%, that is enough of a performance increase to warrant an upgrade IMO!
Now if only x58 supports PCIE 3.0, we won't have to upgrade until the next architecture change.
QFTQuote:
sensible upgrades depends on what they have right now
Some of us have first gen dual cores and have been happily sitting out the quad core race waiting for something better than a 10% improvement. Simply realize that Yorktown brought 15% or so clock for clock and Nehalem might improve that by 20% or more. That's a lot bigger jump for those who skipped the Yorkies. So yes if you bought a system in 2008, you shouldn't want to get a new Nehalem. It's nothing more than a stepup. But if you have something older, Nehalem should finally entice you to build something new.
2nd thing to remember is that the bulk of Nehalems won't be out till next year. But for those of us who have put off upgrades waiting, we won't wait till then :)
I was intended to reply to this and got side tracked. You know how easy that is for us old folk;) It didn't bother me at all and to prove that I gave up on them. If it were something worth posting, I still would. Some threads here are starting to sound like the AMDZone. My putting them on the ignore list doesn't solve anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
^Quote:
Originally Posted by ap4lifetn
90nm dual core here.. Not all of us are on Yorkfields. :)
Yepp:yepp: 8400 here!Quote:
Originally Posted by bowman
It was just by luck that i have an E4500, if not i'd be on my Athlon 64 3000+ :shakes: I'm curious about 1160 prices/models.
Is this the general concensus? I've read that unlike previous launches (Q9xx series) Intel will release several Bloomfield processors in Q4 '08. If that's the case i might hold onto my e6300 for a few more months!:p: <c'mon, you can do it little guy!>:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Anemone
Not sure if this has been posted here already, don't have the time to read the entire thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by twwen2
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/07...es_up_nehalem/
Apparently the cheapest Nehalem at launch (2.66GHz model) will cost around $300.
All the Q4 models will be Bloomfield platform based, ie X58 1366 socket. The mainstream chips won't be till next year.
the mainstream chips won't have QPI and triple channel DDR3 right? only dual?
I think that's correct. If there's a ~$300 Bloomfield at launch (this year) i might have to bite! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ap4lifetn
yup for Lynnfield and Auberndale, only Bloomfield and Gainstown get fancy, but if anything, the QPI on Bloomfield is just another possible bottleneck between the cpu and graphics+I/O. It doesn't , but this is just an example of why the Bloomfield platform was specifically targeted for the high end users who want dual graphics and the ability to tweak where the Lynnfield platform is much much more sensible for business and home users who would use quad core cpu power.Quote:
Originally Posted by ap4lifetn
i won't be buying any nehalem unless it has the QPI, is there any "memory type" improvements with lynnfield like bloomfield?Quote:
Originally Posted by twwen2
so if nehalem does launch in 6 weeks.
Major memory manufacturers better start
a) dropping prices faster cause DDR3 is still pretty expensive compared to DDR2.
b) Start releasing registered DDR3. I couldn't find any.
You only need DDR1333, so probably you should be looking lower in the rung than DDR3 2000
Registered will not be necessary except on servers.
I found this on some random forum...dont know whether you have seen it yet and i cant figure out how to translate it but nehalem will have $284:up: $562:up: and $999 price points
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=1447&fs=c1h
2.93GHZ here I come
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Extreme same time appearances and 2.93GHz effect 2.66GHz Bloomfield unit costs USD $562 pulses at USD $284.
yeah. I know. There is no registered DDR3 on the market yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anemone
Although the wiki says that NehalemDP will use normal DDR3, but i've heard that it uses Registered.
$284 sounds good.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanZ