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UPDATE: I reinstalled Windows x32 with a raid -0- no problems.. I guess I lost my raid -0- or it got hung up some how? But all is well now no need to RMA the board. PM sent you saaya with a quick question..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lu(ky
Thanks SAAYA ;)
your welcome :toast:
glad we could solve that problem quickly :)
i dont know what exactly happened, but this kind of coruption usually happens when:
memory is pushed way too high
chipset is pushed way too high
chipset gets too hot
a good friend (mikeguava) recommended me a tool called xcopy.
he uses that to restore borked and corupted windows installs, it restores and fixes the install within seconds or minutes.
go and give it a try :)
im sure you will corrupt a windows install or raid image again sooner or later :D
Yeah I may have to look into that. I think I have a idea what happen. After I tried for a OC not LARGE small vs the one I was at with my new memory. The system rebooted and the alarm was going off and usually it resets, but for some reason this one did not. So I reach across to reset the board. (Using a TECH STATION) And maybe I hit while the computer was running the yellow RESET CMOS button by accident. And then I hit the reset to restart and then it was hung up? Anyways very happy I did not have to send to RMA. Now more time having fun playing the my OC stuff..Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
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Originally Posted by Telo
thanks
Question on the Blackops board itself do you guys set the FSB jumper PIN to 333/400/450 etc? Or do you leave it on AUTO when you OC the board? For some reason I am having problems with HIGH FSB settings. I am now on a FRESH install with new G28 bios installed.
careful when using the FSB jumper to set the FSB strap! :D
it locks all other OC options in BIOS... you can oc using setfsb tho
G28 is a great improvement. I can use my OCZ 1800MHZ at it's rated settings now.
Whoever is responsible for this BIOS deserves a medal as it has saved me from replacing my RAM.
Ironically it is now my CPU that is holding me back. It's an early Wolfdale so it requires a bit more voltage than some of the newer ones. Well, I say a bit, but it needs 1.41 Volts just to run stable at 3.9GHZ :-(
hehe, yes, G27 was already good but G28 is really nice :)
1.4v for sub 4ghz, yeah that sounds like an early 45nm chip... but its still a good oc :)
i wouldnt really say you are cpu limited, i dont think theres a game or app where you need more than 4ghz c2d power :D
It is true, sayaa - may be tests only, for example Crysis gives me no difference in FPS either with 4.3 GHz and 4.0 GHz settings, it is dependable on GPU overclocking.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Especially not as all I have been playing for the past week solid was Starcraft :DQuote:
Originally Posted by saaya
It's just the boasting factor I'm missing out on :rolleyes:
hehehe, i wish there was a hack to make starcraft playable at higher res and on widescreen... :D
Hi guys. Please forgive the length.
I was posting in the shared bios thread but thought i'd try here too, i'll copy paste a bit of what i already said there.
I'm watercooling a QX9650 and NB, using a 2x2gb Corsair XMS3 DHX 1600 kit (TW3X4G1600C9DHXNV) rated at 9-9-9-24 2T 1.8v stock. My goal is to get as high an overclock as possible while remaining 20hr+ prime stable. I'll try to put in bold any changes i recorded. I am on G28 bios.
Here are my settings for 3.8ghz, which is 20hr+ prime stable.
_________________________________________
CPU multi 9.5x
FSB 400
Ratio 1:4 cpu333
Memory clock 1600mhz
CPU Voltage multi 1x
CPU target voltage 1.41254v
CPU actual voltage 1.3994v
Vdroop compensation on
CPU PLL 1.508861v
VTT 1.35v
GTLref all auto
NB voltage 1.403v
NB GTL +2 step
DRAM voltage 2.15v
Dram pull up auto
DRAM pull down auto
DRAM Ref voltage +2
Timings 7-7-7-18 2T, refresh period ratio x1, all others auto.
_________________________________________
Now i'm trying to go up to 10x multi for that magic 4ghz. I can boot into windows etc no problem, but prime stability eludes me and cores started dropping after a minute or two. After increasing the cpu voltage to 1.46 (1.44 actual), cores are still dropping out on prime. I've had the NB voltage up to 1.7v, and the temp peaked at 47c, however it made no difference in prime so i returned to 1.5v. I could probably be lower than this but i wanted to remove any doubt - once i get a stable 4ghz i plan on going through each voltage and seeing which i can lower while still maintaining stability. I also returned the memory to its stock settings of 9-9-9-24 here.
So i turned my attention to the GTLref values, and decided to record each change i made and what difference it made in prime. I've been at this since yesterday with very little sleep :(
I started off with the same settings as Jonbass who has been helping out in the other thread.
+10, +5, +10, +10 - core 4 failed in 19 mins
+10, +5, +10, +5 - core 4 failed in 32 mins
+10, +5, +10, +4 - core 4 failed in 5 mins
+10, +5, +10, +6 - core 4 failed in 18 mins, core 1 failed in 35 mins
+9, +5, +10, +7 - core 4 failed in 30 mins, core 1 45 min+ stable
+9, +5, +10, +3 - core 4 failed in 17 mins
Up til this point i had been just randomly tweaking up or down the GTLref on the core that had been failing, mostly core 4, but eventually i found the post from LardArse about what the steps actually do, being each step adds or subtracts 0.0005x from the default value of 0.66x. So for example at VTT 1.35v and default GTLref my gtl value is [1.35 x 0.66] 0.891v, and +1 step would be [1.35 x 0.6605] = 0.891675v, +2 step would be [1.35 x 0.661] = 0.89235v etc. Please someone correct me if this is wrong.
With this knowledge i remembered alot of GTL discussion in the old 790i data corruption thread, so i dug through that and found this post from 5010:
".67x is 00mv(standard) in the 790iU Bios
65nm Quads like it abit higher; .68x - .70x
Duals + Yorkies like it lower; .66x - .63x or even less (as low as .58x according to LardArse)"
So if 0.66x is standard in the blackops bios, i thought i could start using my calculator to work out where i should be. Assuming the above is correct, the GTL settings for 45nm cpu's on the blackops should actually all be negative (if not default) - so far i had been using positive values so i planned on switching to negative, though i think all of the other people in this thread are using positive GTL values - maybe someone can clarify?
So i commenced testing, and is my log with GTL changes and prime result. I'll put the GTL values i changed each time in bold.
-20 -20 -20 -20 - C1 error, had to clear cmos.
-10 -10 -10 -10 - core 4 failed in 5 mins
-10 -15 -10 -15 - core 1 failed in 2 mins
-11 -15 -10 -15 - core 4 failed in 33 mins
-11 -15 -10 -20 - core 4 failed 17 min
-11 -15 -10 -25 - Windows crashes on load
-11 -15 -10 -24 - whole system freezes in under 1 min of prime
-11 -15 -10 -23 - Windows takes a long time to load, whole system freezes within 5 min of prime
-11 -15 -10 -22 - Boot ok, Prime runs, core 4 fails in 23 min
-11 -15 -10 -21 - core 3 fails in 20 min
At this point i put the NB from 1.5 back up to 1.67v, and further relaxed memory timings to 10-10-10-25, just to remove all doubt that either of these could be holding me back.
-11 -15 -11 -21 - core 4 fails in 32 min
-11 -15 -11 -19 - core 4 fails in 30 min
-11 -15 -11 -18 - core 4 fails in 22 min
-11 -15 -11 -17 - core 4 fails in 20 min
At this point i found some settings of other people who were using a VTT of 1.5v, so i increased VTT to 1.5v to see if it made a difference.
-11 -16 -11 -16 - core 4 fails 19 min
It didn't, so i lowered VTT to 1.45v
-11 -16 -11 -14 - core 4 fails 30 min
-11 -16 -11 -13 - core 4 fails 32 min
-11 -16 -11 -12 - core 4 fails 30 min
At this point i came across GMCG's settings, he also has a QX9650, but with a different set of corsair ram, though this isn't a ram issue so that shouldn't matter i thought.
His settings were:
Voltages: Vcore (BIOS) 1.4625V (shows 1.4464 current Vcore in BIOS), Vdroop=enable
V PLL 1.546582V
VTT 1.35V
GTL0 +2
GTL1 +2
GTL2 +2
GTL3 +3 (that is my CPU I guess, I added +1 to compensate core 4 failure in Prime95 and it worked)
V NB 1.438V
GTL NB +3
V SB 1.5V
V DRAM 2.099V, DRAM compensations:
+3 step
+3 step
+3 step
FSB 430 MHz
0 ps
800mV
100 MHz PCi
Spread = disable
So i copied his voltage settings which meant making these changes - i already had the same vcore, i raised the PLL 1.508861v to 1.546582V, lowered VTT from 1.45 to 1.35, i put my NB to 1.5v as i figured it's ok (temps are fine, not high enough to cause instability), changed NB GTL from +2 to +3. I kept my multi at 10x and fsb at 400 as i will be quite happy with 4ghz right now. His core 4 was apparently also dropping and was fixed with those GTL settings, so i copied them and continued testing:
+2 +2 +2 +3 - core 4 fails in 23 min
+2 +2 +2 +4 - core 4 fails in 20 min
+2 +2 +2 +1 - core 4 fails in 4 min
+2 +2 +2 default - core 4 fails in 2 min
+2 +2 +2 +5 - core 4 fails in 20 min
+2 +2 +2 +6 - core 4 fails in 33 min
+2 +2 +2 +7 - core 4 fails in 6 min
+2 +2 +2 +8 - core 4 fails 9 mins
+2 +2 +2 +9 - cores 3 and 4 both fail in 34 mins
So as you can see i'm not having much luck with these GTL's, though certainly changing them does seem to have an effect.
Is the fact that he's on bios G26 important at all? Would it be worth my while flashing that from current G28?
Otherwise my next course of action would be raising the core voltage up 1 or 2 steps, however i've been told that going over 1.45v with these cpu's isn't a good idea. My temps however would actually be ok there, and I see that GFTout and Sash are both using more than this, i think GFT is on 1.5v. If temperatures are fine with those voltages, is it safe to be there? Or is it possible for your temperatures to be great but for that voltage to kill your cpu alot quicker anyway.
If there's a way to keep my current 1.46v (1.44v actual) and get stability from these GTL's, i'm willing to spend weeks if not months to get it. However if someone with a little more knowledge on them can tell me if there's no chance then i guess i'll have to give up.
The last setting i just tried was one that LardArse suggested to Sash, which was GTLs of +12, +7, +12, +12, and core 4 (you guessed it) failed in 32 mins.
If you got this far then thankyou for reading, any help is appreciated.
Hi Xello. It looks for me that you have a temp problem - the limit of 32-35 min in all "successful" tests is pretty stable, also your 3.8 MHz stable result confirms it. How do you control your temps during a test? Please describe your WC system as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
Hi gmcg.
I actually got this system from a gaming pc company here in the uk, i don't have the WC know how or time right now to do an elaborate build myself, but this WC system is i guess you could say 'professionally' done.
I can tell you the following specs: D-Tek Fuzion CPU Block, Thermochill Triple Radiator (i thought it was a 320mm rad but i take it that is the same as a 120mm tripple rad), Laing DDC 12v with Modded Plexitop, 6 x 120mm Xilence Fans, 2.5 Metres of Tygon 1/2" Tubing. They also machined a new top for the NB block, it's delrin. Sorry if this isn't enough info.
What would make you think i have a temp problem though? My temps don't actually change (noticably) between 1.39v 3.8ghz and when i'm testing 1.44v 4ghz - i idle at 32c and load generally at 55-58c, it peaked at 61c during prime yesterday and it was a very hot day! I've read of people running this chip safely in the 60s and even 70s so i was thinking these temps were not bad.
Also not sure i completely understand 'controlling' my temps during the test, if you just mean what do i use to monitor, i use Realtemp for the cores and Everest for the NB, which peaks at 44/45, 46/47 on a hot day (on 1.5-1.6v)
I've been continuing GTL tests, here are my results from yesterday, continuing from the last one i done which was +2 +2 +2 +9 - core 3 and 4 fail both in 34 mins:
+2 +2 +3 +10 - core 3 fails in 10 mins
+2 +2 +1 +10 - core 4 fails in 31 mins
At this point i wondered if tweaking core 2 might affect core 4 because of the way they are on the die, so i tried changing that
+2 -3 +1 +10 - core 4 fails in 18 mins
+2 +1 +1 +10 - core 4 fails in 31 mins
It did change the time to fail, didn't fix the problem though :down:
+2 +1 +1 +11 - core 4 fails in 20 mins
+2 +1 +1 +13 - core 4 fails in 32 mins, core 1 fails in 34 mins
+2 +2 +1 +14 - core 3 fails in 32 mins, core 4 fail 34 mins
+2 +2 default +15 - core 4 fails in 17 mins, others stable for 1 hour+
+2 +2 default +16 - core 4 fails in 20 mins, core 1 fails in 34 mins
default +2 default +17 - core 4 fails in 32 mins
default +2 default +18 - core 4 fails in 9 minutes
default +2 default default - core 4 fails in 32 mins, core 1 fails in 2 hours
+3 +2 default -1 - core 4 fails in 17 mins, core 1 fails in 34 mins
+1 +2 default -2 - core 4 fails in 18 mins
And the run i started before i went to work today:
+1 +2 default -3 - core 4 fail 22 mins, other cores stable 8 hours+
So as you have noticed the 'successful' runs have all had steady fail rates at 32-35mins, i don't know what to make of that though, i'm out of my depth here i just hope the recording can help someone come up with a theory!
Thanks again.
:update:
My runs this evening:
+1 +2 default -4 - core 4 fails in 1 min
+1 +2 default -5 - core 4 fails in 5 mins
+1 +2 default -6 - core 4 fails in 33 mins
+1 +2 default -7 - BSOD after 20-25 mins, INTERUPT_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED
+1 +2 default -8 - core 4 fails in 18 mins, core 1 fails in 37 mins
As you can see, core 1 was stable for over 8 hours on +1 +2 default -3, yet it failed in 37 mins on +1 +2 default -8, and it had the same GTL value both times. I guess this means that adjusting the GTL value for one core can affect other cores, and if that's true this could take years :mad:
:further update:
Well i caved in and started upping my core voltage.
Changes:
vcore from 1.456(1.44 actual) to 1.467(1.458 actual)
default default default default - core 4 fails after 32 mins
+10 +5 +10 +10 - core 4 fails after 33 mins
vcore from 1.467(1.458 actual) to 1.487(1.47 actual)
default default default default - core 4 fails after 2hr 42 min, others stable 8hr+
Finally some progress i thought, but isn't it rather insane that i can get a completely stable 3.8ghz at a mere 1.39v, and for simply 200mhz more i'm having to go above 1.47v?
I upped it once again from 1.487(1.47 actual) to 1.5 (1.48 actual). I hope someone will answer my question from before:
At 1.48v My idle temperatures are still 32-35c, and load is still between 50 and 55, peaking at 60 today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
Basically, what do you go by for judging the safety - the temps or purely the voltage?
Take at look at this too:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...estar/2334.jpg
I noticed that cpu-z is reporting my core voltage approx nearly 0.4v lower than it actually is. It's version 1.46, is it just an error in the program or do i have a more serious problem? HWmonitor also reports 1v~. Also, might be worth mentioning that core 4 is always 5-10 degrees lower than the other cores. I'm sure it has always been like that, so i didn't see it as a problem - seen as core 4 is the one dropping out all the time though is this maybe something to do with that?
Thanks.
@ Saaya
Hey buddy, were you able to test the 2 sets of CellShock blue kits on the BlackOps yet? Don't mean to bother you, just want to know if it works before I buy the set.
Failing at 10x multiplier when 9.5x works fine seems to be CPU temp/voltage, and especially when failing occurs over a period of stress, it may hint at temperature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
It looks fine, should be good enough for 4.2 GHz, not only for 4.0 GHz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
Your temps are fine as well.Quote:
What would make you think i have a temp problem though? My temps don't actually change (noticably) between 1.39v 3.8ghz and when i'm testing 1.44v 4ghz - i idle at 32c and load generally at 55-58c, it peaked at 61c during prime yesterday and it was a very hot day! I've read of people running this chip safely in the 60s and even 70s so i was thinking these temps were not bad.
It looks fine either.Quote:
Also not sure i completely understand 'controlling' my temps during the test, if you just mean what do i use to monitor, i use Realtemp for the cores and Everest for the NB, which peaks at 44/45, 46/47 on a hot day (on 1.5-1.6v)
This is pretty interesting, I can assume that you have some kind of algae/dirt on your D-Tek fuzion in the region of 4th core? The cooling is good enough for 3.8 GHz but fails for 4 GHz locally?Quote:
+1 +2 default -3 - core 4 fail 22 mins, other cores stable 8 hours+
That is my only guess for now (or it can be a TIM application problem in that region).
Last time when I got quite similar problems I had to clean my D-Tek Fuzion and only by installing of quad nozzle kit I could get to 4.3 Ghz, without it I was able to get to 4.2 GHz max.
BTW don't worry about Vcore on CPU-Z screen, it is a known BlackOps bug/ incompatibility with CPU-Z method of measurement.
Thanks for the replies.
I finally got stable at 1.48v, all GTLs at default, and temps were actually not bad - again mostly between 50 and 60c, peaking at 63/64, however i decided that it was unacceptable to pump such a high voltage just for an extra 200mhz, even if it does feel good to be at 4ghz :]
I've returned to 1.38v @ 3.8ghz for now, thanks for all the help.
May be it is your particular QX9650 ... it looks really strange to trade only +200 MHz for +0.1V. Mine is L739A555Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
Is there a way to find out the batch number with a program or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
All i can see in cpu z is stepping 6, revision C0.
I returned to 9.5 multi, set the vcore at 1.44v and am going to up the fsb and see how high i can get from that, which is what i eventually intended to do anyway to pump my ram up a bit. Today's run 8hr+ stable at 8-8-8-20 with 410fsb (3.9ghz) so i should end up with a decent setup. What i was really concerned with was removing as much bottleneck as possible from a pair of 4870X2's when they come out in a few weeks, as this is primarily a gaming rig. I think this should do a good job of it :D
I took pictures of CPU before mounting it, I have no idea if any program can read the batch number anyhow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
Yeah, it looks like a good idea.Quote:
What i was really concerned with was removing as much bottleneck as possible from a pair of 4870X2's when they come out in a few weeks, as this is primarily a gaming rig. I think this should do a good job of it :D
I would like to mention that BlackOps is a great board IMO for any using (I am quite satisfied with my water cooled 9800GX2, for example), and especially for 4870x2 or 2x4870x2 due to its high transfer rates. Look on those results for wPrime 32M:
http://forums.vr-zone.com/showpost.p...3&postcount=19
eva2000 has his QX9650 (also L739XXXX) running at 4.4 GHz using Asus Blitz Extreme with DDR3 memory @880 MHz CL7-6-5-18, his FSB is 1760 MHz, his wPrime 32M result is 9.735 s. My result is 9.015s with QX9650 at 4.3 MHz with DDR3 memory @860 MHz CL7-6-5-18 ... doesn't BlackOps completely rule here?
http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=745773
Agreed, i put my limitation down to the cpu and not the board. You win some you lose some with batches. For example my memory has suddenly decided it can be (410fsb) 1640mhz 7-7-7-16 1T tRD6 10hr+ prime stable :DQuote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
*keeps pushing*
Good job! BlackOps requires patience, but then you'll fall in love with it, as I did ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
Another small quirk i forgot to mention, i noticed it was happening to someone else early on in this thread too, returning to activity from Vista's Sleep Mode will 100% of the time cause the comp to for some reason reboot.
Blackops issue or something else maybe?
Cheers.
:Edit:
Well well, something wonderful has happened!
After all that time trying to get 4ghz stable from a 400fsb with 10x multi, and eventually needing 1.48v to do it, i'm currently several hours stable into a prime test on 420fsb with the 9.5x multi for what is reading in cpu-z as 3995mhz, and only at 1.44v. Not only that, but whereas before i had my memory at 1600mhz and timings loosened to 10-10-10-25 2T, right now i have the memory at 1680mhz with 7-7-7-16 1T tRD 6!
I can't think of any explanations, but i'm happy and will next up the fsb to 425 just to see if it will play ball :D
Hi! All
For Anyone Thats Interested
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3366
Best Regards
flanr
Step aside - Foxconn coming through!
exellent review flanr ! thks for the link :up:
Yeah, it's good that they waited for the bios to mature before doing their final article. I'm getting similar Everest performance to them using the same Corsair 1600mhz dimms they used on their 'max overclock' page, so i must be doing ok!
I would like to thank Foxconn for it's honesty and confirm once more that we are on the right way, guys :D:
http://www.custompc.co.uk/news/60455...nreliable.html
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...-pulled-makers
It is bad though that too many manufacturers lost a lot of money on their 790i projects, which they could use for something else, useful for us, consumers ... or just drop the prices.
use wprime v1.55 to be comparable ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
http://www.wprime.net/download.html?q=wprime_155.zipQuote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
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The requested URL /download.html was not found on this server.
It can be downloaded from HWBot as it's the only valid version they recognize I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
wPrime v1.55 version
Yeah i caught that the other day, and i was actually thinking about waiting for the dreadnought for a while!Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
It's obvious they spent this long on the board because of the issues the chipset was having, but if it's not up to the standard of blackops it's probably better to not release it at all so good call on their part.
Nvidia have got nothing but profit losses and bad press from this too, the sooner they drop out of the chipset race the better for all including them i think.
Hey all,
I have also been tweaking the BlackOps over the last week. So far on my Q6600, I have been able to hit 442 on the FSB with an 8x multi. Trying to hit 3.9GHz on the 9x, however core 3 consistently fails. Been screwing around with the GTLs with no luck; core 3 fails almost immediately every time. I think part of it may be cooling; I am using a Swiftech H2O-220 Compact, and at 3.9 its really at its limit. Using 1.5VTT as well.
If any of you guys get the GTLs on this board figured, dont be afraid to share, this is set up quite a bit different than my P35-T2R....
personaly i have found northbridge cooling and voltage to be key to fsbQuote:
Originally Posted by ether.real
I got a lot of air on the NB, it isnt going over 45C under load, even having >1.5VQuote:
Originally Posted by bazx
Where can we buy these in Canada? NCIX doesnt have them yet?
You cannot. I spent alot of time looking for one. But they are ware many of us here in Canada would like to get one, so hopefully NCIX might get some, but it's hard to say, NCIX has to agree to carry teh product too. I talked to both companies, so hopefully we will see more high-end Foxconn products on NCIX.
Anywhere to find good configs that users have for QX9650's round 4.0 ghz on water? Also im looking into getting the G.Skill 4 GB 2 X 2gb F3 DDR3-1600 7-7-7-18. Hopefully I can get DDR3-1800 7-7-7-18-1t with these ram:)
I'm still trying to get prime stable @ as close to 4ghz as possible, i'll post my final settings when i'm done. This thread has a few posts with people's settings, you should read through it :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by btdvox
My settings for 3.8ghz are on the page before this one.
^ Will do, This Motherboard is looking to be #1 for right now, for 350 bucks and I dont have to buy a NB waterblock- Plus it seems to have awesome performance, Is stability good so far for 24/7 use?
I have my QX9650 OC'd to 4.2 on a 780i so im assuming ill be able to keep this OC on the blackops x48!
Board is great for 24/7 use :up:
Cool Im sold- I know you guys will help me out if i need it :) Hehehe:p:
Also I heard PSU's give problems with the motherboard- does anyone know if Enermax Galaxy 1000 DXX work ok with it?
Yeah, I have downloaded this, started to run it and something happened with my PC. First 1.55 didn't recognize my CPU correctly showing something like Xeon Pentium III. Then my PC died ... there is no signal from a video card on Display, motherboard stops at 2d error code. Either video card or motherboard has a problem. I have tried to clear BIOS, etc. nothing helps, need to replace a video card to check it out if it is it or a motherboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praz
holy crap !
thks for the warning gmcg
Don't mention it, bro overclocker!Quote:
Originally Posted by HDCHOPPER
Unfortunately it looks like a mobo issue - I have tested the monitor using the same cable and the same DVI connection on another system, it works fine, I have replaced the 980GX2 video card with a brand new 280 (green light reporting about correct power supply connection is up) - the same stop on 2d error which after 2-3 min turns to 7F (such as I use 280 driver). I have forced to load 26 BIOS instead of BIOS 28 - the same result.
Any ideas?
Its normal for it to detect the CPU as a P3 same thing happens in 3dmark01. 2D error code is most likely a issue with the video card. Try no card or a card in the middle slot.Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
Yes, thats why I tried to replace the video card (with a brand new one) - with no success though. No card gives me a quick stop at 2d with beep and then 7F - critical error :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt.Planet
7F is normal its just waiting for you to hit F1 to continue or delete to enter bios. What happens in the middle slot?
It is not possible to check it ATM, I have returned GTX 280 to a store such as there is no difference and I can't move 9800GX2 to a middle slot - it is water cooled and the length of tubes is minimal. But I understand your point - you want to check if the first slot is a cause, therefore I will remove water cooling and check the card in a middle slot. It will take some time though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt.Planet
Thanks.
Hello all.
Can anyone tell me what BIOS to get? 26,27,28 ore?
Best Regards.
Take 28 it's the bestQuote:
Originally Posted by dMITIj
Hi! All
just back from i34 and was talking to the foxconn people there
the latest version of Aegis Panel is 1.0.2.32 http://www.quantum-force.net/downloa...Panel10232.zip and for the temp readings to work correctly you need bios version p05
p05 is bios version g28 + a few extra updates - This is the bios they were using for the new E8600 and all their overclocking with LN2
it is available here http://www.foxconnchannel.com/support/downloads.aspx
i have flashed to p05 and have no issues with it
best regards
flanr
flanr, what are you saying? that the PO5 is the same as G28 just that the PO5 has a few extra updates more compared to the G28 ore?
Quote:
Originally Posted by dMITIj
yes that is what i was told
Name Description Version Size Date
BLACKOPS Update Micro code 7A3F1P05 670KB 7/16/2008
check here for a screenshot of aegis panel showing temperatures correctly
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...0&postcount=26
best regards
flanr
Edit
After Flashing Back To G27 Bios Without Uninstalling And Reinstalling Aegis The Temperatures Are Still Showing Correctly
Hello flanr, thx alot, but why are u flashing back to the G27 BIOS?
QUESTION 1:
how dram compensation works ??
+1 what means ?
QUESTION 2:
From anantech :
CPU Clock vs. Memory Speed
The best memory divider for overclocking is generally 1:4.333. 1:3.2 may be used if FSB speeds exceed the maximum memory speed of your modules. Please note that onboard FSB jumpers may need to be set to the FSB speed of your processor for the lower ratio dividers to work.
what does it mean ??
The funny part is that i only can OC whit BIOS P02. 27,28 would not post at all :(
only P02 whit my QX9650 multipl... at 10 and mem at 960Mhz i trid thw same settings on the other two BIOS whit no luck at all.
i could see that a G29 BIOS is out? is it any good? and were can i find it?
So everything untouched but only stopped running proper after some loading?Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
it seems like rig is running just no display, and with another card... sounds like something with that pcie slot.
I'm trying to get a better bios this doesnt improve that much:Quote:
Originally Posted by dMITIj
http://resources.vr-zone.com/Shamino/7A3F1G29.BIN
I hope to fix the 4870X2 Xfire issue at next bios
Hello LardArse.
I have bin trying a lot of things and one of them were chance the mem... to the other slot and it didt help me out, so now im on G28 and are running 4000Mhz whit 1.400v but i can't seem to get anything stable over 400FSB no mather what, my mem are running at 960mhz.
if the G29 aint that much improveing i would not chance it for G28
nobody can help me ?
What is the problem with the 4870 X2 and the BlackOps boards? I using a 4870 X2 now and it seems to be working fine... Very Strong.. I also just picked up a e8600 CPU (Q820A306) from the egg... I hope to be at a 4.5GHz or more on water..Quote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
how dram compensation works ??
+1 what means ?
i guess you mean vdroop compensation or Dram reference?
Vdroop compensation makes sure voltage of cpu is constant between idle and load scenarios.
Dram reference +1, etc adjusts the 0.5x multiplier of Dram reference voltage, to become 0.505x , 0.51x, 0.515x etc etc
QUESTION 2:
From anantech :
CPU Clock vs. Memory Speed
The best memory divider for overclocking is generally 1:4.333. 1:3.2 may be used if FSB speeds exceed the maximum memory speed of your modules. Please note that onboard FSB jumpers may need to be set to the FSB speed of your processor for the lower ratio dividers to work.
In general for overclocking DRAM , the most effective and one that seems to yield best results = the ratio 1:4,333
If you DRAM cannot handle too high speeds, but your FSB still can go higher, a ratio like 3:2 will help FSB gets more still leaving some breathing space for your DRAM.
I dont know actually until I have a pair of these cards, see http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=198484Quote:
Originally Posted by Lu(ky
Dram reference +1 when can help ?
i am planning to get a black ops... and i am wondering if OCZ FlexII PC3 16000 2000mhz ddr3 memory would be a best ram choice for this mobo for extreme overclocking and benchmarking? thanks
I would recommend the cellshock 1866 as i have mine running at 2000mhz - i had OCZ memory and had a few problems with it - but that was before tony from OCZ started this thread
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=191846
Best Regards
flanr
The Cellshock are a popular choice around here, and i can personally speak wonders for Corsair ram on this board - at least the 2x2gb kit that i have, great overclockers.
Remember to use slots 2 + 4 :)
The G Skill DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) for the price at NEWEGG is a really good deal if you have a tight budget. And the new E8600 CPU is really really easy to OC on this board as well. Right now I am at 4.5GHz @ 1.30v temps are under 50c full loads. Still trying to push higher with the memory and E8600. And I also just received the new Sapphire 4870X2 and my scores on 3DMARK06 are at 21K and 3DMARK ADVANTAGE is at 12500 not bad for a using a dual core..
Real simple question, the board is set-up with twin BIOS chips. Can each chip be loaded with a different BIOS and each BIOS be set-up with differing settings?
Reading over the manual, it seems that one can choose which BIOS chip to load and each BIOS chip can have saved custom settings, similar to what DFI does with their Lanparty boards. I just want to confirm this.
Thanks.
Yes, I do believe you can do that. Havent tested it that way myself, but thats the way it appears to be.
Thanks ether.real. Reading your sig over, if I go with the BOps, my rig would be similar to yours. I have a Q6600 and will be using some OCZ RAM. How is this board as a 24/7 board, once you finish playing around with it?
How are you cooling the northbridge? What volts are you running through the NB and how are the temps?
You are using a pretty large video card. It looks like a large card will cover 3 of the 6 SATA ports. Can you still access the SATA ports with 90 degree SATA cables where the card covers those ports? I plan on using 4 or 5 SATA devices.
Thanks again.
Hi mate, for your first question yep the 2 bios chips are independent and can have different bios on them. Each chip can even be loaded with around 8 different setting profiles of its own :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailindawg
For the SATA question, yeah the 3 top SATA connectors i believe are covered when using a dual slot card in the 2nd pci-e slot, and yeah you can use L shaped connectors in those to solve the problem. That's what other people have said, i'll be testing it myself when my 2 4870x2's come though there's no reason to believe they won't - i can even see without the card in that there will be space for it :)
If you're only using one card it'll be in the top slot right? So no problem.
I dont recall the voltages off hand, however I have a bunch of Antec Tricools everywhere adding cooling to the SB, NB and mosfest. At the moment my Q6600 has maxed out at 442FSB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailindawg
At 442x8, the board is 100% stable.
Thanks for the response. The reason I asked is because with my Expert board, I had a GX2 card and it blocked the first 2 SATA headers and I could not get a 90 degree cable to fit into the header with that GX2 card. I do not want to make the same mistake again.Quote:
For the SATA question, yeah the 3 top SATA connectors i believe are covered when using a dual slot card in the 2nd pci-e slot, and yeah you can use L shaped connectors in those to solve the problem. That's what other people have said, i'll be testing it myself when my 2 4870x2's come though there's no reason to believe they won't - i can even see without the card in that there will be space for it
I believe that the 16x slots are the middle red slot and the bottom blue slot. The white slot (very top slot) is only 4x. Using the red looks like it may not be so bad with a larger card, but using the bottm blue slot looks like it would block the bottom 3 SATA headers.Quote:
If you're only using one card it'll be in the top slot right? So no problem.
Please let me know how you make out with the 2 4870's.
Thanks.
You have the speeds correct but the order wrong, the top slot is blue followed by the red middle and white at the bottom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailindawg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...lestar/bop.jpg
I hadn't thought about it before, but it looks like if you have a card also in the third slot that L shaped connectors will be needed in the bottom 3 SATA slots aswell.
Again though, with just 1 card you'll be putting it in the top slot so no worries :up:
@Xello
My bad. Been looking at several motherboards and I'm starting to blur them together. The top blue slot is the one I'd use. I'll only be using one card. Thanks much for the pic :up:
I have my shopping basket at newegg filled and I believe that I'll be choosing the BOps. I'm glad to see the BIOS situation has settled a bit and hope that Foxconn continues to support the board. I was pretty impressed with how Foxconn supported the Mars board.
This has been a pretty informative thread giving the good, the bad and the ugly. I'm looking forward to playing with this board.
OK, guys, here is the story:
August 9, 2008 - I've got a problem with motherboard. Tried to solve it by myself clearing CMOS, etc. - seems the MOBO died.
August 12, 2008 Contacted Foxconn service support regarding the issue
August 13, 2008 - got a response from service
August 19, 2008 - got decision from service to RMA the board after week of discussions
August 28, 2008 - sent the board to Foxconn service (spent 9 days building another PC, such as I can't leave without it)
August 29, 2008 - Foxconn has received the motherboard.
...
September 21, 2008 - still no info from Foxconn about status or anything.
Comparing to EVGA Advanced RMA (EAR) where I have received my replacement motherboard in advance-no question asked, Foxconn service simply suck.
Sorry to tell you this, LardArse and Saaya, but you need to make some adjustments in it.
I actually love the idea of customers feedback through forums.
which is the best RAM for this mobo,G.SKILL 2GB 1600MHZ (7-7-7-18) or SuperTalent 2GB 1800MHz (7-7-7-21)???
Quote:
Originally Posted by astronautis13
I dunno? But I've had some killer luck with these wintec cheapos! =o)
I'm not sure if you are in the US, but they can be found here as well as the info and model:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820161278
my results with them are 8-8-8-18 1T @ 2000mhz 1.91 bios / 1.94 real. Not bad for a set of 1333mhz 9-9-9-24 and 79 dollars! Gonna pick up another set here soon!
http://www.overclock.net/gallery/dat...hzramtests.jpg
I finally got my motherboard yesterday. It took almost a month ... and month and a half for me ... I am glad I had another PC and laptop.
Foxconn technical support is terrible. No one talks to you, no one responds to you unless you call them directly. Pretty bad launch for the new retail brand.
I wish they would combine EVGA service quality with Foxconn technical quality.
It looks that my issue has been resolved. The technical representative of Foxconn hasn't been honest to me, he said that the motherboard was OK - like I am stupid enough to RMA a working board.
Another technical representative confirmed on the phone that it was an issue not only with my motherboard, but with another testing one as well, which they have reported to the head quarters.
It looks that the issue is only related to latest Nvidia videocards, ATI cards are fine. DO NOT even touch *PCI Express clock setting in BIOS if you own such Nvidia card, this setting CAN NOT be removed by BIOS/CMOS reset and you will have to find an ATI card or old Nvidia card to remove the overclocking of PCI-E manually. In other case even with default BIOS settings newer Nvidia videocard (9XXX series and 2XX) will not be recognized and will not post video. Older ones like 8XXX and older work fine, and it looks that the issue is related to this feature somehow:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/N...9600_GT/1.html
At least I know a solution for now :up:.
@NCspecV81
I don't have the option to buy them.Another question...Q6600 or E8500 for this mobo??
It really depends on applications which you intend to use, do you want to overclock it or not, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by astronautis13
I would vote for 8500 - they have it for $149 in Frys ... for many applications it will be faster.
personally I would get the e8600 instead. I know it is more money, but I had a e8500 on my board and it was very hard to OC. I bought the e8600 threw it in my system at a FSB 1800 x 10 = 4.5GHz stable on water. I see some guys getting close to my speeds on air. Now it just depends on your memory setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by astronautis13
CPU-Z 4.5GHz
I assume it is your particular 8500 chip problem (some batches behave differently during OC), some of those 8500 can be overclocked like a rocket. But 8600 may be a better solution anyway, such as 9770 in common is better than 9650 for overclocking. I have never tried 8600 though yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lu(ky
I have recently gotten a Black Ops from Foxconn in the Netherlands to give an overclockingdemo at an event but after a few days my B ops started giving the 54 with beeps error when I use memory channel A (slot 1 and 2). So right now I can only use slots 3 and 4, which means I can't run in dual channel. I have talked to a few people and I have been told that this is a common problem with the B ops. Is there any way to fix it or do I have to send it back and get a new one?
What memory do you use? I am not sure if a memory controller failure - at least how you describe it here - is a BlackOps common problem, I believe it may happen more on BlackOps comparing to other boards such as people usually overclock BlackOps heavily and the chipset air cooling solution is not perfect unless you modify it or use watercooling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gendo
I am currently using a cheap Corsair 1333 CL9 kit. (Borrowed it from corsair for the demo as I didn't have ddr3 yet) The weird thing is that it worked in dual channel for a few days and then 1 morning it started beeping. I am currently typing this message from the computer the blackops is in and I checked all temperatures and nothing is too hot. I'll make a topic for this problem.
Cheap - doesn't mean bad, some Crucial 1066 DDR3 kit has Micron D9JNL chips in it and can do 2ghz 7,7,7,20,2T ... believe it or not :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gendo
http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.asp?m=429861
really sorry to hear about this gmcg, and yes, i know there are issues with the support, interestingly and contrary to anything else, the china support is awesome while the us support is... not that good :D ive already contacted the tech support department and ill work with them to improve the support.
Its weird that the pciE speed did not reset after you reset the CMOS... it should reset the pciE speed even when oc recovery kicks in, so... this is definately weird...
Ill see if i can give it a try...
Gendo, the first 2 slots work very well with default clock dll settings while slot3 and 4 need clock dll adjustments to reach high clocks (2ghz)
thats what i found, but thats using 1gb micron sticks... its weird that you cant get the mem to clock well even at those low speeds...
try the clock dll settings in the memory timing section, usually going lower gives you better results. depending on the clockspeed -1 to -4 worked fine for me, the higher the clocks, the lower the setting.
Are these dims--->http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2167 ,good for the mobo??
I guess gmcg, might be best for comment on this.
I'm looking for a quick replacement for my 790i. It's been a great board, but the vbat is screwed, meaning everytime I power off and on I need to re-set all by bios settings. fun.
on the 790i with my QX9650 and el cheapo OCZs 1066 golds I had some pretty reasonable oc's, 24/7 and benching. The QX would bench 485fsb and boot 495. My OCZ would bench well into the 1900s at 8-7-6 1T with 2.05v. on water I could bench up to about 4.56 ghz and on single stage up to 4.9+.
The reason I mention this is that I've bought an RE and it's just not as good as the 790i for my setup. It needs too much voltage compared to the 790i for the same clocks. Possibly as a result I'm now limited to about 4.4ghz on water if I'm lucky. FSB 480, but v shakey and that's limited to 480x9 for benching. on the 790i I could bench 480x9.5 no worries.
I'm not sure if it is heat related, whether it can be fixed with a new bios, but it's just not any fun.
So I'd like to know, how does the black ops compare? The first few pages I've read here are a bit of a turn off, but subsequent bioses have fixed a lot of issue right?
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers
RLM
Sorry to be an impatient sod. I need to buy my replacement board tomorrow as I'm going to be using this for work as well as fun. Any feedback would be much appreciated:D
RLM
Well for the fsb problems: a blackops will do 550 easily so that shouldn't be a reason not to buy the blackops. Also a b-ops will start growing on you. At first you might get a little irritated when things don't run just like you want it to but after 1 week or so you will get the hang of it and love the board to death.Quote:
Originally Posted by RLM
I hear you Remcokatz. Not expecting 550FSB, but sounds promising:D.
I like the review on Anandtech as well.
RLM
I can confim what Remco is saying. I received a black ops from foxconn in the Netherlands just like he did and I can tell you this: 20 minutes after I threw my E8500 on there I was at 550 fsb. And I'm even running a bios from June. After this one a few wolfdale tweaks and performance biosses have been made. As soon as I have some free time I'll try the newest bios and see what I can do with my brand new E8600.