Thank you JWilson:) Yah Polygon contacted me a number of months ago to test a Mod Bios for the Board but I just did not have the time:(
Thank you JWilson:) Yah Polygon contacted me a number of months ago to test a Mod Bios for the Board but I just did not have the time:(
Another suicide run at 3.4GHz 1.6V * 100,2%. I rearanged watercooling and have ~8°C better cpu temps now.
http://www.abload.de/img/34002ai.jpg
No one on hwbot yet?
How come you got FSB & not HTQuote:
Originally Posted by justapost
And cache Level 3 2048KB & not 2 MBytes
with cpuz 1.46
It's a screenshot from the validation webpage, cpu-z shows HT (see previous page). I could not capture a screenshot because the machine powered off during validation file upload.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
was it a PSU shut down or MOBO CPU heat.Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
The Mobo CPU version is softer most of the time
My Odin is on RMA so I can't say if it is the psu. I don't think heat is an issue with 1.575V i had ~65°C running prime95 at 3.2GHz (failed after a minute).Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
The system powered off and booted again, after overheating poweroff the system stays off i think.
Well my 9850BE died for no apparent reason.
I had installed a Digital TV tuner card and on the reboot after driver installation my monitor didn't trigger, had the dreaded C1 error.
Swap the RAM, no change, threw in a 4400x2 posted fine, put the 9850 in the board from which the 4400 had been removed, no post.
Overclockers UK have now had my dead Phenom 9850BE since 25th June, apparently it's with AMD, now AMD can't tell me anything without a RMA number and Overclockers won't give me the number as they say it's private :cussing:.
How the hell they deduce that a number relative to them sending my property to a 3rd party can be private beats me.
Their attitude on the phone stinks, their email replies are glib and robotic:down:
Never ever will I use them again, I'll be sticking 100% with Aria UK from now on.
On another note has anyone any idea when we might see some commercial 790 boards with SB700.?
In Germany the new DFI LP UT 790FX-M2RS with 750sb is already listed at alternate and I called them yesterday, hearing they should be available this month!!
Can you give me a link to the site, I would like to try to pre-order one, I don't mind paying extra for shipping etc. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
The Sb600 is doing my head in, everytime I load a disc it hogs the whole system until the disc has been recognised or whatever, this is regarless of SATA or IDE they are equally as bad.:down:Quote:
Originally Posted by illogical
Sorry this was intended as an edit to the previous post, obviously I clicked the wrong tag, I used to being able to delete such double posts, says I looking around for the Admin controls LOL.
Ok, to whomever asked about my 4400x2 toledo core, no i did not mean 2.6ghz. I meant 3.6ghz. I would not express my grief over it's frying if it was only a 400mhz OC lol. 1400mhz however is something to get misty eyed over. 1400mhz on air cooling is something to lock yourself in a dark windowless room listening to the Cure while you cut yourself giving control over to full blown emo mode.
I actually have a scucide screenie of it at 3,783mhz but i think it was at 1.55v or something obcenely high to be running without water. So if i was a little more obsessive i may have been able to get it 4ghz....which i was actually planning on attempting after my Phenom rig was built if the chip were ok. Ugh now i am sad again.
Anyway
I have not come across anyone else with this stepping, and i'm only about 98% sure that it's BPIW and not BPLW. Either way if anyone else has a stepping with either combo i'd love to know what the expierience has been. Knowing little about the AM2+ platform regarding OCing and seeing that people have had chips fry from increasing the RAM and NB voltages i'm a little nervous about pushing the limits.
DFI LP UT 790FX M2R
JAAFB AA0812BPIW
2x2Gig GiEL DDR2 8600 @ 1066mhz 5-5-5-15 2T 2.07V
Saphire 4870 core 786mhz Mem 1090mhz
Basically have just fooled with multi's at this point, both because up until about a week ago i was still running a 939 platform and don't know skite about the cpu/htt/nb multi's and clock relationships...which makes me a sad panda.
However i've managed 3ghz (200x15) at stock 1.3v stable through two full runs each in 3DMark01/03/05/06, Vantage, PCMark04/05 and one hour and a half PCMark Vantage. It was prime stable at 3.1ghz, though as i posted previously NB was toasty and it seemed a little twitchy despite making it through prime. I managed to hit 3.2 (200x16) stock volt but windows crashed within 5 minutes. Other then setting the ram to 1066 and enabling PCI-E Gen 2 x16 in the bios everything is untouched there. So i've high hopes. I also need to beef up the NB cooler a bit as the 53c idle doesn't make me too comfortable.
So despite my reading dozens of posts i'm still at a loss of how everything ties in when OC. So please, anyone that has any advice on Voltages, Multi's Ram timing for the Giel 8600 2x2gig, any suggestions at all i would greatly apprieciate it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by iocedmyself
READ THIS........http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=167977 IN ITS ENTIRETY! Then Print this Page http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...01&postcount=5 and Set clocks by FID & DID DO NOT USE THE Multi set!
Update: 3GHz need 1.3625V to be stable under winxp 32bit, 1.35V failed prime95 after two hours.
Seems the chip also runs stable at ~3.19GHz 1.475V. I get cpu temps around 65°C max here.
Under linux 3.19GHz are not stable at 1.475V and not even at 1.525V.
With higher voltages the system powers off during the first minute running coredamage with temps slight above 70°C (power off temp 85°C). I can run wPrime fine up to 1.575V ~3350MHz with higher voltages I was not able to get into windows with higher clocks and voltages today.
If I run coredamage here (~1.55V) the whole system requires 414W.
wPrime 1024m 5:51.910
http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=752769
wPrime 24m 10.940s
http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=752516
Both better than all 9850be's. :D
Well thank you brother esau, those links cleared things up for me quite nicely. Actually kind of embarrassed that it wasn't clicking sooner, and honestly it's a bit disheartening that OC phenoms is basically limited to multi's, vcore and tightening memory timings.
So after catching on as to what's what, i rigged up my TEC AC unit that i'm building. Ducted up the CPU to the cold box in which my TECs reside (which provide a spiffy 300w of cooling with a 25c temp drop below ambient) and got to cranking up the volts.
I finally ended up at 3.4ghz (17x200) @ 1.425v. I attribute this to the fact that having the TEC cooler ducted up put the idle temp down around 15c, but as the load temp still was up around 50c within about 2 minutes of benching, i have no desire to keep it there until i reassess my CPU cooling arrangements.
Which is good since the temp started climbing as soon as the TEC unit was turned off, crashing into BSOD far to quickly for my liking.
So for the time being i'll keep it down at 1.275v @ 3ghz.
It's really tempting to get a dually just to OC...that's probably 60% of the fun in having an AMD rig. But for now i'm content with the 68% performance boost this upgrade has given me.
Now, despite it being irrelivent to the thread...i came across my scuicide screenie from the 4400x2 toledo so i think it's only right to pay homage to it.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1215813406
So very close to the 4ghz mark, though despite it a scuicide screenie it was one achieved with just a big a$$ heatsink and deafening fans galore.
Of all the AMD chips i've put past 3ghz on air cooling, this one is the most painful.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN SO MUCH MORE!
:::goes to happy place, where midget cowboy's and ninja's ride off into the sunset on their Great Dane steeds to fight in the drunken yo-yo yielding monkies in the wyoming midget/monkey wars:::
Ok, i think i've milked that enough.
Before you all scorn me as psychotic...just picture it.
Yeah...that's right it's funny. Bet no one ellse has thought of that. Though it's probably best not to read to deeply into why that is.
With that, i'm off to switch cases and stabilze voltages and replace heatsinks. So thanks for the help, ill check back later in hopes someone has discovered a hidden OC method in which i can become obsessed
Nice chip you have. An stock amd cooler fan on the pwm heatsink should keep your chipset and pwm temps below 50°C. Have you tried higher volts than 1.3V?Quote:
Originally Posted by iocedmyself
I was courious about the boards voltage limits, so I configured the system for 3GHz and applied voltages starting at 1.5V and increased in 0.025V steps till it powered off running coredamage. The limit was 1.525V. 1.5375V powered off after 2 mins.
Next thing I was interested was temps vs. voltages.
I measured power consumption and temps after 3min's coredamage.
CPU VID/Power Consumption Load/Core Temp idle/Core Temp load/Cpu Temp idle/Cpu Temp Load.
1.525V, 425W, 28°C, 51°C, 28°C, 65°C
1.500V, 408W, 28°C, 50°C, 27°C, 63°C
1.475V, 390W, 28°C, 49°C, 26°C, 61°C
1.450V, 375W, 27°C, 47°C, 26°C, 57°C
1.425V, 361W, 26°C, 45°C, 24°C, 45°C
1.400V, 349W, 26°C, 44°C, 24°C, 53°C
1.375V, 338W, 26°C, 42°C, 24°C, 61°C
Damn my h2o rearrangement benefits where gone. Since then I reapplied AS5 a dozend times without luck. The odd thing the core tems stay at ~42°C-44°C only the cpu temp differs up to 15°C between rearrangements.
Update: Can't get the temps down to where they where. Since the temps are higher now my voltage limit is now at ~1.4375V (70°C). 1.45V powered off the system. So 3.1GHz is my limit now, i'll run at 3GHz because 3.1GHz does require >1.4375V under linux 64bit.
i think i found the root of my problems , the dfi does not change the NB FID mutlis as i wish. i am entering hex 00 and i still get 2000freq which is 06 hex. latest bios in it , any ideas?
moreover , hex inputs from 01 to 05 hungs my mobo at post (error 75), also hex inputs 8 and above also results in error 75 and hungs at post.
Is there any advantage to flashing the M2R BIOS to a M2RS board?
Yes you will gain the advantage of Blowing up you're Motherboard:shakes: DO NOT Flash M2R Bios to that Board if you know whats good for you!Quote:
Originally Posted by JWilson
I have been getting some funny NB Fid results as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ea6gka
I could not get above 200FSB at 3Ghz untill i put my NB Fid at 08
Now Ruining prime stable at CPUFID/0E NB/08 203FSB 3040Mhz
I can post at 205FSB NB/08, but will not post at 205FSB NB/07 or /06 even tho it should be less strain on the CPU.
You only set ref HT or also boot ref HT? I have np with an ref HT up to 260MHz here with the 9950BE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
Can someone post good bios settings for 9850BE for Sapphire version of this board for maximum HT frequency?
If i just up the HTT i can only do 203.Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
If i up the HTT+BHTT then things proceed as expected but i never used BHTT before you mentioned it as there was no need with the 6400BE.
http://www.alternate.de/html/product...=Sockel+AM2%2BQuote:
Originally Posted by illogical
here you are :yepp:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
so if setting the bhtt right there is no problem running high htt? then i'd test some 9550 or so...
Glad it helped. Good to know i can skip BHTT with the 5000BE next time. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
@Oese: Thank you for your watercooling tips. I ordered such an mosfet cooler. Should arrive tomorrow, i'll report here how it works.
yeah i'm curious as well and pics please :D
and could you confirm please that htt oc would work with bhtt set? or is it like may or may not...
No idea as that was only about getting the MY 9950 to post at a given FSB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
But so far my 9950 don't like high FSB.
203mhz is also not what i consider "high" of course..
something around 260mhz htt would be nice with some cheap 9550 phenom.. but phenoms in general dont seem to like high htt..
Hmm I found a gap ~10MHz is max betwen HTT and BHTT i'll test that now.
I use an HT speed of 1.4GHz a lower NB multi and high tRFC's (195ns) and have NP running 250-260MHz ref HT.
I'll test how far i can get and will post sucess later.
@Final8ty have you played with HTT Gap? Someone reported it helped using a smaller gap than 5. Maybe your triple crossfire setup needs that too.
Beside that have you other ram to test with or tried DDR800/DDR667 mode? DDR800 worked best here dunno about DDR1066 my Tracers are completely unusable atm.
sounds nice.. tweaking is always good if it yields success :D thats what dfi boards are for..
First i tried was 200MHz BHTT and 210MHz HTT. System stuck at 25.
I used those settings and upped both ref HT's in steps of 10MHz. 260MHz did not post with those settings, i'll see if i can go further anyhow. I use 4x1GB Dimms atm maybe with two i'll get better results.
http://www.abload.de/thumb/250httkcy.jpgCode:>HT Link Control:
HT Link Width......................... - 16 bit
HT Frequency.......................... - 1.6GHZ MHz
IH Flow Control Mode.................. - Disabled
HT Link Tristate...................... - Disabled
2x LCLK Mode.......................... - Disabled
Unit Id Clumping...................... - Disabled
>CPU Feature:
CPU-NB DID........................... - 1
CPU-NB FID........................... - 04
AMD CPU stepping..................... - P0
>DRAM Configuration:
MCT Memory Timing.................... - Manual
2T Mode.............................. - Auto
Cas Latency Time..................... - 5
Pre Charge Delay (tRAS).............. - 15
DRAM RAS# Precharge.................. - 5
DRAN RAS# to CAS# Delay.............. - 5
Bank to Bank Cmd (TRRD).............. - Auto
TRC.................................. - Auto
TRTP................................. - Auto
Write Recovery (TWR)................. - Auto
Write-Read Command (TWTR)............ - Auto
TRFC0................................ - 195ns
TRFC1................................ - 195ns
TRFC2................................ - 195ns
TRFC3................................ - 195ns
Trdrd................................ - Auto
TrwtT0............................... - Auto
Twrrd................................ - Auto
Twrwr................................ - Auto
CS/ODT Pin Fine Delay................ - Enabled
Bank Swizzle Mode.................... - Enabled
Auto Tweak Performance............... - Disabled
Optimal Performance Mode............. - Disabled
>ODC Control Mode:
DRAM Drivers Weak Mode.............. - Normal drive
Output Drivers Comp................. - Auto
>PWM Settings:
PWM Control.......................... - Enabled
CPU VID Control...................... - 1.30000v
CPU Vid Special Add.................. - Auto
CPU NB Vlotage Control............... - 1.30000v
CPU NB Vid Special Add............... - Auto
DRAM Voltage Control................. - 2.07v
SB PLL 1.2V Voltage.................. - 1.20v
NB Core Voltage...................... - 1.160v
NB PCI-E Voltage..................... - 1.160v
NB HT Voltage........................ - 1.130v
Genie BIOS Settings:
Timing Mode.......................... - Manual
Memory Clock value or Limit.......... - DDR 800
PCIE 3,4 State....................... - Auto
PCIE 2 State......................... - x2
CPU TLB Cache Fix.................... - Auto
AMD K8 Cool & Quiet control.......... - Disabled
CPU Clock Ratio...................... - Auto
Spread Spectrum...................... - Disabled
CPU Host/HTT Clock................... - 250mhz
CPU Host/HTT Boot Up Clock........... - 250mhz
CPU Host/HTT Adjustment Gap.......... - 5mhz
PCIE Clock........................... - 100mhz
Hi justapost,thanks for the 9950 results :up:
Did you try it in your M3A motherboard?Any luck with OC attempts?I wonder how will 5-phase pwm react to this chip :shrug:
Hi informal, i'm also curious if and how that chip will work in the M3A. I have not yet tried it. I'm waiting for new watercooling parts and want to sort out that +8°C issue i have since a few days first. I fear the chip did not like my 1.6V+ testings and degraded abit.Before that 3GHz at 1.3625V and 3.1GHz at 1.425V was stable under winxp 32bit and linux 64bit. 3.2GHz at 1.475V was winxp 32bit stable but not under linux 64bit even at 1.5V. 3.4GHz at 1.625V was benchable under winxp 32bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Yep i dropped the ram to 800 & that did not help at all & would go against what i was trying for as i have my max CPU over clock & wanted to over clock the ram past its default 1066 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
Thanks man.When you resolve the cooling issues and have some spare time,test it in M3A if possible :)(and cool those mosfets! :D)Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
Are you sure about the chip degrading?Could it be a lower efficiency of your water cooling system-hence higher cpu temps and lower OCs,as you mentioned you had some issues with it?
Cheers!
@ justapost: looks nice.. thank you as well..
I ran the universe suite from the phoronix-test-suite with 10x250MHz vs. 12.5x200MHz yesterday. Means the CPU ran at 2.5GHz, NB and HT at 2GHz and only the mem at 400Mhz vs 480MHz with the same timings.
Here are the results.
http://global.phoronix-test-suite.co...4326-730-12625
@Final8ty: How far did the ref HT go at 1066mode, 203MHz? With two 1GB Tracers I maxed out at ~630MHz and ~615MHz stable. I'd be interested if it works better with just two 2GB dimms (assuming you use four).
Temps where high the first time i mounted the chip. I guess thats why my power consumption comparison results where that high. I thought i fixed it by reseating the D-Tek but it seems after a few hours of usage the temps went up again. Can be the chip does fluctate that much. At 2.6GHz only CoreDamage pushes the cpu temp to 60°C with prime95 i'm at ~50°C most of the time with air cooling (BigTyphoon).Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
and those 4x1gb did no adverse effect? i use 4x1gb too and luckily the 6400+ handles it extremely well, the 3800+ (which is crap anyway) doesnt like them..
Using two instead of four dimm's give me ~10MHz better ref HT results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
I have done tests with only 2 sticks & it makes no difference for my setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
My 6400BE with 4x2GB sticks & mem setting at 800 would do 275-280 FSB.
So what is the max you can get with DDR1066, 9950BE and 8GB? I'm curious because I plan to buy 2GB dimms as a replacement for the tracers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
I don't think you can judge what it would be like for you because the Phenom chips are so inconsistent & the fact that my cpu will not do anything near yourQuote:
Originally Posted by justapost
Mhz or FSB no matter the Vcore or the amount of dimms in the slots.
This is my fifth phenom and all the previous ones where medium quality clockers. But they all reached at least 225MHz with ram at DDR1066 with low tRFC's and high HT/NB multis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
Any chance your share your results?:D
I have been upto FSB216 i was aiming for 1150-1200 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by justapost
im going to give your settings a try.
Ah thx..Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
With my temp issues fixed i reran the power testQuote:
Originally Posted by justapost
Idle: 152,5W CPU 22° CORES 23°C (lower core temps than the 9850 and equal cpu temps now).
Load: 244W (everest julia)
Load: CPU 47°C CORES 37°C
So my results are opar with most reviews showing an nearly equal power consumption.
Hmm 533MHz * 216/200 = 1151,28MHz :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
should be same consumption i think?
btw, did the pwm-watercooler arrive?
I expected higher amp requirements due to a higher TDP(16%) at an equal voltage with just an 4% frequency increase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
Yepp I rasped the longer side down ~1-2mm and now it fit's. Did not adjust the length so i have a ~5-10mm overhang.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
I did not yet connect it to the watercooling because i want to test the 9950be in the m3a with that wc.
isnt power consumption 2nd order to frequency and voltage?
nice :D please dont forget pictures if finished :D
Yep & highly unstable even with max 2.3v & timings as loose as the bois would go on everything but is stable at 1066 5,5,5,16 on 1.90v :)Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
I RMA my current MB and was thinking about getting the DFI Lanparty UT 790FX-M2R. I've notice the CPU socket is real close to the Ram, the ram I have is tall (Look in my signature). I'll also will be getting the 9950, what heatsink will fit :confused:
BUMP Now somebody should want to answer my question....:clap:
The Tuniq 120 just makes it with the Reapers and I mean barely:eek: The Zalman 9700 fits fine even with OCZ Flex:yepp:
Quote:
Originally Posted by RobPuba
Got Enzotech's "EXTREME-X"(ultraX)
it has the pipes facing the other way
plus it blows air on the ram:up:
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...cture=EnzoTech
i am getting some very poor performance with the sil3132...could somebody post a hdtach????
i think is ok for a single hdd..
I replaced my 9850BE with a 9950BE. The 9850 was stable at 3.0Ghz@1.32V but it could not boot up over 3.2GHz. Strange but the 9950 needs 1.36V for prime stable operation at 3.0GHz but it able to boot up even at 3.4GHz@1.5V. :confused:
I got this CPU inside the box:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2176/9950beqx2.jpg
The CPU is exactly the same (except the last 3 digits in the SN) with that 9950 which appeared in the first Greek 9950 review. They were able to get 3535Mhz@1.475V in a MSI K9A2 Platinum(!!). After that I found a Japanese guy who has also the same CPU (except the last 3 digits) and he was able to get 3503MHz@1.45 in an ASUS M3A32-MVP Deluxe and PI stable 3209MHz@1.30V.
I have to say that something really wrong with the DFI LP UT 790FX-M2R + 9950BE pair. I use the latest 612 beta BIOS but I've already tried the latest final as well. :shrug:
I can't wait for the SB750 boards... I'm going to throw out this board through the window. It has given me much headache since december... :shakes:
i have noticed that c&q does not work as it was supposed to with Phenoms , phenom have 5 p-states "k8 c&q" have only 2
so i checked cpuz and saw that the phenom downclocks from 13X to 6.5X and thats it....this is NOT c&q 2.0...wth????
As far as i know phenom uses only two p-states and barcelonas use all five. Both have five registers per core for the p-states.Quote:
Originally Posted by ea6gka
I run it at 15x & 3.75x atm.
@informal: sry have not had time to test m3a this weekend.
I am using Ultra 120 Extreme with my Crucial / Team Combo RAMQuote:
Originally Posted by RobPuba
The heatsink of the RAM barely missed the CPU heatsink
(Sorry for the HD3870 blocking the view & messy case ...)
Here you goQuote:
Originally Posted by ea6gka
That was my old setup (RAID 0) with a pair of WD 160GB SATA Hard Drive :shrug:
The performance chart is odd as it's the OS Drive
Just a quick question
Should I go for tighter RAM Timing ( DDR2-800 CL4-4-4-12) or go for high frequency (DDR2-1120 CL5-5-5-18)
I want better performance in-game
Thank you
high freq..
wtf is that black blower thingy over the rams between drives and cooler ????
Olli that Black Blower thing is what looks like the the exhaust Fan of a Hot swap Super Micro Drive Cage or a Adaptech Hot Swap Drive Cage more then likely seeing how it does not look like he Rear of my Super Micro Hot Swap Drive Cages:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
a-ha didnt know such thing exists :D ;)
besides i see there're MANY drives in that case :shocked:
it sucks:down:Quote:
Originally Posted by imamage
WHOOOOPS :D Upon closer look that is a Antec Spot Cool not the Backplane Fan of a Hot Swap Cage:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
:shocked: didnt know that SUCH thing exist either :ROTF:
you'll always learn..
Announcement:..........Well I have Spoken with RGone and asked if there is a Beta Bios Candidate up and coming for the 790FX-M2R Board for me to test for Phenom 9950BE support and this is his [QUOTE]..
Quote:
Originally Posted by RGone
So if this is indeed the case can any of you that have this Board and a Phenom 9950BE or plans of buying the Processor to use in Conjunction with the D.F.I LanParty UT 790FX-M2R ....Please Report in and let me know whats up with the Phenom 9950BE and the Current Official 5/5/2008 Bios???
This is important that some of you touch base with me on this and let me know if there are issues with Current Bios with the Phenom 9950BE and this Board and I will inform RGONE and in return he will pass this on to D.F.I Taiwan;)
The ram I have is taller, because of the heatsink........http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggIma...145-175-04.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by imamage
Anybody using the http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggIma...118-020-02.jpg with the D.F.I LanParty UT 790FX-M2R ?
Is "AMD cpu stepping" P0 for B2 and P1 for b3 ?
Guys I did IT!
Oese presents Phenom HTT clocking @ phenom 9750 @ vista64bit @ 790FX-M2R
believe it or not :D this is the first try :yepp: :D
Yup, the RAM would just go in the yellow slots but easier in the green and its surprising what those vanes can do to your fingers if they get a chance.:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by RobPuba
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-...7/DSCF0852.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-...7/DSCF0851.JPG
please share with us the "secret"Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
first of all a 3h prime screenie @ 267x12 :D
ok dont know perhaps the secret is low temps.. this is water..
whatever just set htt the same as boot up htt then be careful that ht is not over 2000mhz (i set it to 1,4ghz) disable c'n'q and lower nb-multi a bit.
set voltage manually to whatever required nb and core-voltage seems like must be totally the same..
and thats what it was..
this is vista 64bit and 4 dimms at 533mhz :shocked:
now 24/7 and "idle stability" testing can begin.. :D
i did what you say and still got no juice out of thecpu...
what stepping?
mine is 0810GPAW
perhaps the cpu is just a bad clocker.. what i can say now its not the board that was what i wanted to confirm and try out especially what htt oc does..
how high can you tune the htt with your cpu? how high is the nb then? did you lower the ht-speed to under 2000mhz?
perhaps try setting trfc for all dimm slots (unoccupied as well) to some 195ns.. i do that always since my first 4600+ did not wanted high htt without that step..
Cool refHT speed you use the GSkill's? Lower temps definately helped here too. Not that i need lower voltages but the system is more stable at higher voltages (>1.4V).Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
BTW: That mosfet cooler does not help. With lower cpu voltages (<1.375V) temps are ok (~50°C) but with >1.45V temps exceed 70°C.
http://www.abload.de/thumb/mosfet1v7.jpg
Well I know it sucksQuote:
Originally Posted by ea6gka
That's why I just bought a (HP OEM) LSI MegaRAID SAS 8344ELP
Now I just have to wait for my day-off to setup the new RAID 0 :D
The onboard SI3132 RAID sucks , I have been experience data corruption with my RAID 0 setup almost once a month. I took the board to my local dealer and they said there isn't anything to do about it. One of the tech support guy told me probably related with crappy BIOS :shrug:
That's a "Antec Spot Cool" fanQuote:
Originally Posted by Oese
I bought the Corsair RAM cooler but it doesn't fit with the Ultra 120 :down:
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Originally Posted by justapost
pitty.. but remember these digital pwm are build to run at high voltage.. but whatever lowering temps would have been nice..
no i'm not using the gskill right now because they are needed in 2nd rig.. that doesnt work well with 4dimms.. weak imc..
I use corsair dhx cl4 4x1gb
aha be was right guessing :DQuote:
Originally Posted by imamage
K, thanks phenom seems to love 1GB dimm's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
In theory it should not be too difficult to make an waterblock for the pwm section whom is still connected to the heatpipe.
lol i didnt mean high voltage, i meant high temp ^^
you think phenom likes 1gb dimms? would be nice i'll get 4x1gb crucial 667 cl3 in some time...
I did some testing today under linux 64bit.
I used 1.4V CPU VID varied frequencies in 200MHz steps from 1Ghz to 3GHz and noted max/min power consumption (at wall) and cpu temps after ~3mins running monitored for a minute. I used stresscpu2 to generate load.
Temps started at 43°C and went up ~1°C with every 200MHz step. At 2.6GHz after a few minutes the temps jumped up 5°-6°C. At 2.8GHz and 3Ghz the increase was ~1^C again.
I repeated the whole testing serie and this time it did not jump at 2.6 but at 2.8GHz. Repeated again and it jumped at 2.6GHz. I also noted that the PWM temps started to exceed 50°C.
I added an extra fan and voila, as soon as the pwm temp was below 50°C the cpu temp dropped ~2.6GHz. I increased the frequency to 2.7GHz and still had no temperature jump. I removed the pwm fan and as soon as the pwm temps get in the 55°C range the cpu temp also jumps fom 49° to 56°C.
I added a fanmate and can repeate that behaviour forever now.
At 2.8GHz however a lower pwm temp does not help the temp increases ~8°C (58°C) compared to 2.7GHz(50°C). Going to 2.9GHz the temp is 59°C and at 3GHz 60°C at 3.1GHz 61°C at 3.2GHz 62°C at 3.3GHz 64°C. (Those above 3GHz are not stable at 1.4V but run stresscpu2).
I'd say both statements are true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
From what we have seen 2GB modules don't go that far ref HT wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
yeah i think the cpu temp depends on pwm temp because the whole area heats up quite a lot.. but i like the phenom temp sensors all 4 cores are the same and not too unrealistic..
and with the 2gb modules..: could be as well, perhaps i'll test with the gskill one time..
can someone tell me.. is there any possibility yet to lower cpu fid/vid in windows other then c'n'q? i know crystal does not seem to work..
if not.. would it be risky to let the nb run at 1,45v or whatever it needs to do its 2,4xx ghz all the time and let control the cpu fid/vid via c'n'q?
because obviously i want to lower my idle power consumption without loosing my overclock :D i can do 3,12ghz @ c'n'q, but 3,2ghz does not work because of the nb speeds which i have to set to a lower value if using 267mht htt..
on the other hand: is using c'n'q a good idea at all? because it was stated that it is kinda outdated algorithm not optimized for faster up to date processors and does switch too often especially under vista. amd is working on another driver but did not seem to succeed by now..
guys look at this..
295mhz htt 3,53ghz 3dmark stable^^
http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/show...postcount=1186
hehe this was by far world record for 9750 :yepp:
http://www.ripping.org/database.php?cpuid=715
Nobody knows?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by SocketMan
somewhere it was stated to have something to do with the p-states.. p0 is high power p1 is power-saving.. but i didnt find it does something..
Ahh ok Thanks man:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oese
I find that P0 is a lot more stable with AOD then p1
that's about it. Nice work on that 9750;)
thx :D
i left p0 there also ;)
i think i will run into thermal and financial problems running these settings:
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=dsc02492e9b.jpg
watertemp:
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=dsc02493u8a.jpg
Do you think its risky to have ram @ 2,13v whilst nb is @ 1,25v??
If P1 would mean to start in p-state-1 it would mean that your system runs at half the stock frequency with 1.05V. Bios uses this p-state sometimes but the filed in the bios has nothing todo with it.
To be save with CnQ I use the same multi for the lower p-state with just an 4 instead of an 2 divider. I run 3GHZ/1.375V 750MHz/0.9V since a week or so without problems under linux 64bit.
Saves ~10-20W in idle.
Oese that ref HT speed is cracy what bios version do you use? Congrats to that chip, nice clocker.
Wattage eh, I saw 400W already here. :) As for the NB voltage, 1.25V with mem at 2.1V should not cause issues. My Tracers died short after i started to apply above 2.3V. :shrug:
I had one phenom whom liked an equal NB / CPU VID all others could not care less.
Gotta join over at forumdeluxe. :)
good to hear that 1,25v nb / 2,1v vdimm won't be a problem..
bios version was 5/5/08..
i'm right now struggling to get 3,2ghz stable again, it seems my 4°C more coretmp today is holding the chip back.. but i think i'll switch over to a c'n'q stable setting soon whatever, have to read about how to change p-states... but right now i want another prime screen @ 1,4v/1,25v nb at higher nb speeds :D
yeah forumdeluxx is no.1 german forum but most people are more sophisticated over here (at least in the amd section ;) )... whatever amd section is big at forumdeluxx so it makes pretty sense to have a look over there too ;)
edit: I made a interesting observation: with the 05/05 official my 3,2ghz is not stable, with 05/05 beta it is!! wtf?? there are only two possibilities: something went wrong with flashing the official, or there were changes by dfi between beta and official..
edit2: it wasnt the biosses.. its the temperature... yesterday and today its 30°C and coretemp went up to from 42°C to 46°C and that seems really to make 3,2ghz impossible at the moment..
phew :up: solved:
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=phenomsgi.jpg
was the ram temps, now with cooler it flies again :D
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=dsc02495r0i.jpg
So why would they put:
"AMD CPU Stepping....." if it's related to the P-states?
Oh yea it's dfi I forgot:rofl:
I might have a source of AOD problems here:
Every time you start the AOD it sets it's own
voltages(vlotage in dfi language :rofl:) (lower than BIOS)
For example it sets 1.25 for the CPU instead of 1.3,so naturally if your cpu speed is set to a nice 2.8-3.0 (at 1.3 or more) when the aod starts -the
voltage drops and you get a freeze.
yep thats right i experienced that also.. only solution is doing all the overclocking via aod and let it load the profiles at startup.. of course thats not a good solution and therefore i do not really use aod at all..
vlotage :rofl:
Oese could you give the settings you used for booting into Vista x64 above 3GHz? I am able to boot into Vista x86 or Win XP at 3.2GHz without any problems but Vista x64 doesn't boot above 2.85GHz.